Was checking on coverage of the case today and ran across a video feed where some "expert" (maybe a lawyer) referred to the webcam viewing as a "peeping tom" case. I don't think she is up to speed on current communication technology. We all have the ability to easily create a porn video without the actors' permission. We all have the ability to distribute it. It is not some guy(gal) looking through your window anymore.
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Tyler Clementi Suicide Case
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http://blog.nj.com/njv_editorial_page/2012/03/dharun_ravi_doesnt_deserve_pri.html
The Star-Ledger is a major NJ daily newspaper out of Newark.
The Star-Ledger is a major NJ daily newspaper out of Newark.
http://blog.nj.com/njv_mark_diionno/2012/03/exclusive_interview_dharun_rav.html
Star Ledger interview with Mr. Ravi at his home. The Ledger is New Jersey's main daily out of Newark.
Star Ledger interview with Mr. Ravi at his home. The Ledger is New Jersey's main daily out of Newark.
I must admit that I have not followed this case closely. Only read blurbs on Yahoo and other internet sites. So these opinions are based on limited information combined with a lot of common sense. First we all must remember the law does not distinguish between what is right and wrong only what is legal and illegal. Therefore, the jury is given instructions b the Judge on what is required to convict. There obviously was enough legal basis to convict on all 15 charges -- even though there may well have been jurors who did not personally want to vote the way they did it was still their obligation to follow the letter of the law. Going on to long -- should have been some jury nullification, in other words we know the law but this is bullshit. The guy was guilty of invasion of privacy. I do not think he is homophobic, I don't think he hates gays. Having worked with a lot of people from India it is a fact they are a strong class culture I believe his father instructed him not to accept the plea of community service because admitted guilt would shame the family honor. I hope the Judge sends a message and gives him community service. We as gay people have many fights but they should be done correctly and with dignity, not by using this 18 yr. old as a scape goat. There it is for what it's worth.
@Frontier. Thanks for your comments. You make some excellent points. If I were a juror, I would have had some serious problems with trying to "guess" what was in the minds of Mr. Ravi and Mr. Clementi. I think this is bad law.
Here is a link to the tv interview with Ravi on ABC's 20/20. You can watch it here in its entirety. A quick warning to those with limited time, that it is 40+ minutes long. The interview is obviously self serving on Ravi's part but he does make a few good points. He does lie again here about disabling the webcam himself on the second night. He repeats here again that he turned the camera away from Tyler's bed. But we also know that after his Frisbee practice ended he immediately texted a friend to ask if this friend had seen anything on the webcam that night. The friend informed Ravi that the camera link did not work. We know that Tyler said on the JustUsBoys forum that he himself unplugged the computer and cam before M.B. got there.
The segment here also brings up the opinion of many that Ravi is not the poster child of the gay bashing bully.
http://abc.go.com/watch/2020/SH559026/VD55185819/2020-323-rutgers-webcam-spying-scandal
The segment here also brings up the opinion of many that Ravi is not the poster child of the gay bashing bully.
http://abc.go.com/watch/2020/SH559026/VD55185819/2020-323-rutgers-webcam-spying-scandal
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2012/04/rutgers_student_pleads_guilty.html
Here is a link to an article about another case at Rutgers. First I have heard of this.
Here is a link to an article about another case at Rutgers. First I have heard of this.
I'd say the request for an appeal of Ravi's conviction is quite what I expected. If I recall correctly the sentencing is scheduled for May 21st. I wonder if the judge will specify what the sentence is if they have already appealed. I don't know how the legal course of events plays out if a defendant appeals the verdict before even being sentenced. Any lawyers among us who can tell us if Ravi will still be sentenced? Or if all of that is on hold until the appeal is heard?
appeal courts generally review the completed case. the judge will enter an order sentencing the defendant. since the defense has announced it will appeal the verdict, the court stay the sentence pending appeal. the court could set bail.
this case was the state's attempt to make sense out of terrible event that will never make sense.
the crime here was that a boy could climb to the highest point he could and jump.
the crime here was the failure of all the institutions that were suppose to be place to provide the tools to make life worth living and not ending.
it wasn't the spying and/or the bullying that cause tyler's death. it was failure of the state and its institutions.
i think on appeal the case will be overturned, wrong law, wrong defendant.
the jury could not find guilt because the wrong law was charged. the verdict will be set aside.
this case was the state's attempt to make sense out of terrible event that will never make sense.
the crime here was that a boy could climb to the highest point he could and jump.
the crime here was the failure of all the institutions that were suppose to be place to provide the tools to make life worth living and not ending.
it wasn't the spying and/or the bullying that cause tyler's death. it was failure of the state and its institutions.
i think on appeal the case will be overturned, wrong law, wrong defendant.
the jury could not find guilt because the wrong law was charged. the verdict will be set aside.
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As for the rest of your post, with time my thinking is getting closer to yours on the matter. Though I'm not all the way where you are yet. Part of me still wants to see Ravi punished. Just not 5-10 years behind bars. As I've said before though...I would still not mind seeing him get deported. I think we can find someone else more worthy of a chance at the American Dream.
when the news of tyler clementi broke it was that a victim of bullying had jumped from a bridge in new york city.
then this thread appeared and newspaper articles appeared and the tv cameras showed up and thus began a public inquiry into how could this happen? (AGAIN!?)
the case tried in the media determined that but for the actions of one boy there would be not story. guilty of something, but what? perhaps, being stupid in a new jersey college.
i firmly believe that it is wrong to violate the privacy of another. wrong and unlawful are not the same thing.
the case tried in the courts determined that a law designed to protect against strangers viewing and broadcasting a person's body and certain body parts for sexual pleasure is the law that was violated.
justice will be served after how many lives have been destroyed?
whether he sits in a small cell being watched 24/7/365 or walks the city streets, he will never escape his own mind. knowledge doesn't become wisdom until you understand how to use it.
not sure where i read it, but it went this way. knowledge is tomato is a fruit, wisdom is not adding it to fruit salad.
i saw it happen once, the judge at sentencing said that the jury was wrong. the facts presented in the case did not get you to a verdict of guilty as charged.
if the judge, in this case, were to set aside the jury's verdict, the state would appeal.
i understand to need to feel justice has been done.
wasn't it robert kennedy who said, some look at things and say, why? i look at things and say, why not? why not give this kid the ability to make a better world for everybody? being stupid is not a crime. being insensitive is not a crime. being locked away would be criminal.
sorry for my rant! i just would like to see the guilty punished and not the accused defendant.
i would to get to heaven and learn that once there a student in new jersey had the compassion and skill the would have added years to my life, but he went to jail and then was deported, as criminals should be.
then this thread appeared and newspaper articles appeared and the tv cameras showed up and thus began a public inquiry into how could this happen? (AGAIN!?)
the case tried in the media determined that but for the actions of one boy there would be not story. guilty of something, but what? perhaps, being stupid in a new jersey college.
i firmly believe that it is wrong to violate the privacy of another. wrong and unlawful are not the same thing.
the case tried in the courts determined that a law designed to protect against strangers viewing and broadcasting a person's body and certain body parts for sexual pleasure is the law that was violated.
justice will be served after how many lives have been destroyed?
whether he sits in a small cell being watched 24/7/365 or walks the city streets, he will never escape his own mind. knowledge doesn't become wisdom until you understand how to use it.
not sure where i read it, but it went this way. knowledge is tomato is a fruit, wisdom is not adding it to fruit salad.
i saw it happen once, the judge at sentencing said that the jury was wrong. the facts presented in the case did not get you to a verdict of guilty as charged.
if the judge, in this case, were to set aside the jury's verdict, the state would appeal.
i understand to need to feel justice has been done.
wasn't it robert kennedy who said, some look at things and say, why? i look at things and say, why not? why not give this kid the ability to make a better world for everybody? being stupid is not a crime. being insensitive is not a crime. being locked away would be criminal.
sorry for my rant! i just would like to see the guilty punished and not the accused defendant.
i would to get to heaven and learn that once there a student in new jersey had the compassion and skill the would have added years to my life, but he went to jail and then was deported, as criminals should be.
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