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Tyler Clementi Suicide Case

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203918304577243820524946032.html

Good article from the Wall Street Journal.

Some thoughts: I think the second attempt to spy on his roommate was a much bigger deal than the first attempt. Although the second attempt didn't happen, I feel the intent was certainly there. After the first brief viewing, Ravi should have had good reason to suspect the second encounter would be of a sexual nature. And this he intended to share with his friends(followers) on iChat or whatever he was using. Let's call this attempted invasion of privacy. I don't know what the law says regarding this. There is, however, attempted murder and attempted armed robbery charges. After this second attempt Clementi turned his ass in. At this point Ravi probably thought his ass was in danger and some damage control was in order. Therefore the hindering counts. It will be difficult for Ravi to explain away the second attempt. Was it just some good ole college fun or something else. My feeling it was just some young Freshmen showing off for his friends.
 
I must first admit that I have not followed every detail of this case but have read at least 7 articles and news reports. What Ravi did was illegal. Simply put look at the pervs who put spy cams in restrooms - they get hard time. He should have admitted his obvious quilt and the offer from the prosecutors, accepted his very fair punishment. The fact that he didn't admits that there is nothing wrong with putting a spy cam in anyone's room to watch sex without their permission. I don't think he was being malicious and I don't think he should go to jail. But I do think he needs to admit what he did was wrong, pay an appropriate punishment and learn from this lesson. I also think we as gay men need to, in some cases tone down our apparent need for vengeance. We need to pick our battles this is not the one.
 
I must first admit that I have not followed every detail of this case but have read at least 7 articles and news reports. What Ravi did was illegal. Simply put look at the pervs who put spy cams in restrooms - they get hard time. He should have admitted his obvious quilt and the offer from the prosecutors, accepted his very fair punishment. The fact that he didn't admits that there is nothing wrong with putting a spy cam in anyone's room to watch sex without their permission. I don't think he was being malicious and I don't think he should go to jail. But I do think he needs to admit what he did was wrong, pay an appropriate punishment and learn from this lesson. I also think we as gay men need to, in some cases tone down our apparent need for vengeance. We need to pick our battles this is not the one.
I agree with you Frontier. I too have not followed the details of the case either. It was tragic that a young college student killed himself. We will never know if he would have done the same thing, if his roommate had not put the cam on him. The 18 year old roommate did a terrible thing and does deserve punishment, but I do not believe that a ten year prison sentence is the proper punishment. It is a very sad case.
 
According to a CBS/AP story, William O'Brien, assistant director of residential housing at RU, testified that his staff did not see Tyler's request for a room change until after he went missing. This is new information for me. This could mean that Ravi did not know about Tyler's request prior to his suicide.
 
February 28th Home News Tribune - our local paper:

Direct quote:

On Thursday, Sept.23, Wei told Ravi she was at the Rutger's police headquarters for questioning and that Ravi sent her text messages. Wei said on of them told her he thought they were going to get into trouble and for her to "make it more of an accident."

This addresses the hindering charges. I presume there are other examples that they will bring up.

As the bias charges go, I feel they haven't even come close to making a case thus far.
 
The issue of expectation of privacy has, or will, come up in this case. Tyler asked Ravi for permission to have their room in private for a certain period of time. Ravi agreed. If he was worried about his possessions, he could have said no or he could have removed his possessions (probably worried about the laptop). Instead, he set up his computer to spy on Tyler and M.B. I think Tyler had a reasonable expectation of privacy.

I am not a lawyer. However, if I invited a couple to spent the night at my home in the quest bedroom, and I then streamed a video of their love making to another location for my personal viewing or shared viewing, that should be illegal. If they were making love on my lawn, which is monitored for security reasons, that expectation of privacy is not reasonable.
 
@Frontier

I am not a lawyer, but I think if Ravi accepted the second plea deal, he would be accepting felony charges. I assume these become part of his record. This would have consequences when applying to colleges, getting a job and, in his case, staying in the country (Ravi is not a US citizen).
 

MB truly is a victim here as well. I would hope that he seeks counseling for this. To say that this will be a pivotal moment in his life is an understatement. To find that someone you have had sex with has killed themselves and to read all about it in the paper is just so horrible. Now he has to endure the process of the trial and recounting something that is so intimate; it is all so sad.
 
MB truly is a victim here as well. I would hope that he seeks counseling for this. To say that this will be a pivotal moment in his life is an understatement. To find that someone you have had sex with has killed themselves and to read all about it in the paper is just so horrible. Now he has to endure the process of the trial and recounting something that is so intimate; it is all so sad.

As I mentioned before, I see no reason why the prosecution had to put M.B. through all the this.
 
Not sure why the prosecution had M.B. take the stand.

I have to disagree with you on this one Tim. And that's only because I have actually been watching the court proceedings on tv. I've followed it every day since Monday. Fortunately I DVR'd it so that I could speed through 6 hours of footage of 2 separate trials being covered on the trutv network.

He has been a key witness for the prosecution today. They did not allow his face to be shown and they allowed no audio. They allowed the camera only to focus on his hands as he was on the stand and to get a few shots of Tyler's family and other corners of the courtroom. It had to be a horrific experience for "M.B." You talk about victims being re-victimized at trial. This was a prime example.

Here's a few notable points of today's trial. The suspense was very high because Tyler's family had never seen or met this man who Tyler had three times brought up to his room. The defense lawyers had never met him. The back of the courtroom was standing room only with reporters and gawkers. A court reporter for the network was allowed to describe what was going on within the courtroom and describe some of the testimony.

The prosecution who is on his side and is trying to get justice for he and Tyler had to ask M.B. Many uncomfortable questions. Then the defense would have a chance to try to discredit him and paint him in as bad a light as possible. Keep in mind here that M.B. was described by Ravi and other students as "old, shady looking, scruffy, almost homeless looking". Here's some of the things the trutv reporter told us. She was a woman by the way.

"When M.B. entered the courtroom he looked very nervous. He didn't know where he was supposed to sit down and finally someone told him could sit down next to his lawyer. He's wearing black pants and a blue striped dress shirt." Later... "He's on the stand and his hands are trembling. He's very nervous. He has short dark hair. Black or dark brown. He's clean shaven. He looks to be about 30 y/o or late 20's. He's adorable! His eyes sparkle. He looks like he works out. He comes across as very articulate. He answers the questions in a strong voice."

Later the reporter describes some of the questions he had to answer. He was asked if he had agreed for anyone else to view his encounter in the room with Tyler. Did he believe that this visit was to be strictly between himself and Tyler. (Going to the idea that he had the expectation of privacy.) He had to describe how Tyler and he had met up on a gay dating service site. (adam4adam)

He described he and Tyler as having been in a relationship. He was asked if he and Tyler had had sex. The answer was yes. They had sex twice in the room. On the stand he was forced to admit that "penetration" had occurred. Keep in mind here that Tyler's grieving family is all sitting directly across from him. For me it's mortifying to think that you are being obligated to tell about sexual encounters you had with someone while his mother, father and 2 brothers are sitting right there. Let alone someone who is deceased.

The prosecutor had to ask him all these questions to show the extent of the violation of privacy. They weren't just making out and groping each other. They had full on sex on 2 different nights in the room. Although Ravi and Molly and the other people in her room that night all say that they saw only about 5 seconds of video feed on two occasions about 30 minutes apart on that one night...and all they saw was some kissing...Tyler had no idea of how much they had seen. All Tyler knew was that he had been spied on during that sexual encounter. Or perhaps maybe Tyler thought they had watched the whole thing from beginning to end.

The hardest charge for the prosecution to make stick is the bias intimidation charge. More or less trying to prove this was a hate crime because Tyler was being harassed for being gay. M.B. did speak to that in saying that when he left the room the first night that several people were standing out in the hall staring at him. He said on the second night he was there he could hear people in the hallway talking in negative tones like they were discussing gossip. He didn't understand at the time that because of Ravi's tweets that many other people on the campus were aware that they were in there having sex.

The bias intimidation charge is still going to be a difficult charge to make stick.

The defense was brutal in its cross examination. They brought out transcripts of he and Tyler's private chats on the adam4adam website. M.B.'s hands trembled heavily towards the end also. M.B. had never asked for any of this. He was re-victimized in the trial all over again.

All in all though I would say it was a very good day for the prosecution.
 
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