Sean & Santos 11/8 update

[SGVBOB]

slim, I have to disagree on one point here....I FOUND NOTHING ' humorous' in this update!! Please point it out...I might have blinked, or had my head turned away for a moment, in disgust!

Maybe this has been said on this thread, but what maybe the people who didn't like this episode haven't taken enough into consideration is:

If it weren't for David's slightly corny delivery, his terrific patience, his sense of humor, his "style" which identifies perfectly the product, you might be watching rather darker, more disturbing videos than this one you're all so appalled by.

We are subscribers to a pornographic fetish site that caters, on paper, to guys who get their kicks from seeing unwilling heterosexual youths cruelly forced to engage in repugnant homosexual acts because their financial situations are so dire they haven't any choice, all under the slogan of "Every Straight Boy Has His Price". That definition doesn't actually ring true, right? Well, you have David to thank for ameliorating it just enough to make it palatable to a larger audience and, keeping it uh, well, heartwarming, fuzzy, caring, funny...as well as sexually stimulating. Something to keep in mind. Just saying...

 

[alexsantos1]

Dave, Thank you for being real. I have often felt shorted by so call straight guys getting fuck for the first time , so i found this video very refreshen for it reality of how painful and aggressive anal sex can be for someone not use to it. No apology is needed, good job

 

[zyl84]

slim, I have to disagree on one point here....I FOUND NOTHING ' humorous' in this update!! Please point it out...I might have blinked, or had my head turned away for a moment, in disgust!

I'll tell you what I find humorous.... the fact that you still think it was REAL.

 

[SGVBOB]

"Who's the Boss???

Refer to the highlighted part, then reply. I am wondering....you say "He INSISTED', but last I checked, "Sean" was NOT the 'boss", nor the one that "Calls the shots"? I could be wrong?

I knew this scene was going to get a big reaction and there is no need for any apologies on both D&E and/or BluMedia (Mark). First off I would like to say that, we are not in the business to abuse our models. The model named Sean that you see in this scene came to us as a bi-curious straight boy that has never done anything with another guy before and he's never filmed porn before. We started him out very slow and during the filming. The week that Sean was filming for us he wanted to push the limits and get fucked really hard. I personally spoke to him and advised him that we normally don't film this way for BSB and we don't feel comfortable in having rough sex between models on BSB, but he asked us and insisted to film it and he wanted to experience "rough sex". That week many of the models were talking about how they like "rough sex" and that BSB site is boring with the same old set-up and that we should do something different and Sean was telling us about his girlfriend that they both enjoy "rough sex" together. I listen to the boys that week, but we weren't going to film any rough sex and keep the filming standard as we normally do. Sean approached us asking if he can do it and we joked about it and then both Eddie and I thought about it and we made sure that he understood what "rough sex" was all about and how we were going to film the scene. We filmed it and at several points along the way we stopped the camera to make sure he was alright and he asked us to continue. After a while, I just couldn't take it anymore and I stopped the camera and told him to just cum already and lets finish out this scene, which we did. After all said in done, Sean had a great experience and had fun filming this scene.

Here at D&E Productions we don't push the models to have certain sex. All we ask them to do is enjoy the sex, we go at there pace and we respect there limitations. If a model comes to me and asks to have more fetish/kinky play, I will film it with the models permission and establish guidelines prior to filming such scenes and this goes for every project we film. We just don't hook up a boy to electro on CBP without asking there permission or for them wanting to do it. We don't slide sounds down there urethra's just because we are sadistic individuals. These types of scene are planned out and approved by the models and in 99.9% of the time, its the models that come to us and want to try it or during there interview time and on there application that all models fill out, they tell us what they are into and not into. This helps us establish what we can ask the model or not ask the model to do on film. If the model approves and they accept what they are going to film, then we film it. If any model feels uncomfortable doing such scenes, we would not film the scene. You also have to understand that most of our models we hire don't have anal sex with guys. Most of our models has had limited sex with guys before and most of them don't do anal. When a guy gets fucked on our site, most likely its there first or second time doing anal. Its going to hurt and I film in the style of "gonzo" which means I don't sugarcoat the scene, what you see is what you get in a realistic style. The storyline can be made up, or the truth be stretched and embellished, but the style is realism in a gonzo style type of filming.

I figured it was something different then the same ole boring scenes that most of you are complaining about and a different perspective and a bit rougher scene than what we normally do for BSB. I've been filming BSB for over 6 years now, it its become very mechanical and boring for us to film the same old scenes over and over again and just like Mark stated in this thread, there are going to be some major changes but that is up to Mark to make that announcement.

Some of you are angry at Mark for showing that scene. Please don't blame Mark. He's not the one to blame in this matter. True, Mark has the ultimate decision to decide if the scene should go up or not, but that is Mark's decision. Once we, D&E Productions, hands the reels/content to Mark, his team is responsible for editing and watching the scenes and approving what goes up on the site or not. In many cases, Mark does not view the scenes and watch them. Mark is a real busy guy and has a lot to do so its impossible for him to watch every single scene so please don't be upset or angry with Mark regarding this scene. If you want to be angry with anyone, by angry with us but now you know the truth and the story behind this scene.

-David

 

[cumrag27]

If it aint broke...

Well a lot has been said here and there is obviously some history. Thank you Mark and David for taking the time to post on the forum. This interaction is appreciated.

For me, I don't like watching someone having continuous painful sex unless I know they are acting because I feel it is cruel and bullying. I understand it is a fantasy site that portrays reality but I can't tell for sure what is scripted, acting or real. Sometimes I really think that there are occasions when the models do push their comfort boundaries because it is one thing to verbally agree to do something and other to actually do it. This is what I liked about BSB, the mental challenge of pushing sexual boundaries not just the beautiful physical act.

I struggled to watch all of it and was skipping through all the pain. I wish it had been portrayed as Sean wanting to make more than $1500 by asking to being fucked roughly and then interviewed at the end saying it hurt like hell but was worth the extra cash. Or something like that. The accompanying episode text could then reflect this. People can then choose to watch or not watch without having to become members of the forum. I will give it the lowest score and ask Mark to amend the story text appropriately and ensure that the future final products are done more responsibly.

Thanks
Undie (wondering what the masses that are not forum members are thinking)

Dear Undie,

Thank you for your thoughtful response. Your solution is far more than reasonable and humane, as well. Who would like watching someone having continuous painful sex, anyway? I always thought sexual activity was for pleasure, while pain is at the opposite end of the extremes. Even in combination, Pain should not override Pleasure, unless you want really hard core S/M porn. Then, bring on the band saws and circular saws and slice and dice to your hearts content. Only it is hard to have successive episodes with only the remaining unattached and lifeless parts.

I agree with Undie that BSB models are going to be pushinig their boundaries. That I can definitely live with provided it isn't taken to the absolute extreme like this episode with Sean. In all of the archived episodes on BSB, I dare you to show anything that compares to the level of violence and pain of this episode. Nothing approaches the level of violence perpetrated on Sean. Admittedly, he asked for rough sex but to what degree dialed in? This was absolutely off the charts and,, therefore, obscene. Yes! Even for a porn sight, not to mention my beloved and almost unrecognizable BSB.

Sean is not just a dead "side of beef" at some meat packing plant. He is an actual living, breathing, and feeling person worthy of "basic human respect" and he feels pain just like everyone else. Those screams and facial contortions were not merely specified on a script, THEY WERE REAL! REAL, AS IN ALIVE! Lets face it realistically speaking, Sean is not some highly trained movie actor.

What amazes me the most is the relative nonchalance from some members about the violence used on Sean as if he was merely some yard boy getting paid for mowing the lawn. Yes he signed a contract but this goes way, way, way beyond that contracted scenerio. If we don't have basic human compassion, then what do we have but shear HELL to look forward to. Pushing the envelope "sexually speaking" has its limits, just like everything else. Sean is a perfect example of where operatiing without limits can take you. Any volunteers out there for similar treatment? Now, not all at once!

For those enjoying others in pain, S/M sights speciaize in such delights with dungeon scenes, whips, thumbscrews, restraints, and so on. This might really be your cup of tea. If so, this site need to be renamed as Broken & Maimed Straight Boys into Unlimited & Continually Painful S/M . It doesn't quite have the same ring to it that BSB has, now does it?

Dear David and Mike, I appreciate most of your efforts on behalf of BSB. Do you honestly think the majority of women will remain members if this is the new standard for BSB? While no accurate and comprehensive polling of members exists, how many members will go by the wayside if this becomes a regular part of the nich. Complaints of recent episodes does not justify this total abandonment of the basic premise of BSB. I feel you missed the whole point of past feedback. Most members treasure the archived BSB episodes because their quality of models were generally so much higher than recent months. There is nothing broken with the old BSB model if quality is maintained as before. Filming in HD itself does not guarantee quality. It depends on the models selected and David's direction. The BSB brand was built on excellent model selection coupled with overall quality as your model for success. Where, then, are the Logans, Tank Shanes, Diesals, Austin Grants, MikeR's, Mikey's, and much more today? Surely, suitable replacements do exist and especially with the economy the way it is currently. For all of your loyal BSB fans young and old, please don't reinvent a "broken" wheel to replace what we had formerly with BSB? The concept id far from broken, if adhered to.

These are my opinions but I feel BSB's success is worth it afterall.

Sincerely,

Cumrag27, aka Stimpy

 

[cumrag27]

Great points

Refer to the highlighted part, then reply. I am wondering....you say "He INSISTED', but last I checked, "Sean" was NOT the 'boss", nor the one that "Calls the shots"? I could be wrong?

Dear SGVBOB,

Thank you for calling it as you see it. I couldn't agree more with your take on this unfortunate and painful to watch episode.

Sincerely,

 

[jasonaz]

WOW! What a Day!

As Mikeyank said, it was so nice to see the forum come alive again!
It was nice to see David weigh in and offer an explanation of the back story and Sean's "insistence" of having rough sex for the first time. And at the end of the day, a good time was had by all and everyone went home all warm and fuzzy, with a nice steak in their belly. It all makes perfect sense now.

NOT!

With all due respect David, your saying so, dos'nt make it so. Put whatever spin you want on this story, but at the end of the day, you cannot say that Sean's pain was not real, or that his pleas to "please stop, lets try a different position" or "I can't take anymore" were totally ignored and that the panicky gestures and tappings by Sean on Santo's legs to slow down or stop were not reactionary to the pain he was enduring. The boy actually said he was ready to cry, yet the scene continued.
I can only recall a couple of other scenes on Broke Straight Boys that played the "rough sex" card. One was with Lane mercilessly fucking Jason for all he was worth. In that scene, Jason was betrayed by his rock hard cock and copious cumshot while his ass was being pounded. The other scene that comes to mind is the tag team pounding of Preston by MikeR and Jordon. That scene raised a few eyebrows and was the start of the "MikeR should bottom or be let go" movement. Although Preston was crying out throughout this scene, he was also betrayed by his hard cock and over exaggerated cries. The fact that this scene ended with a nice facial and a pretty good cumshot by Sean proves nothing. We have no way of knowing how much time elasped betweeen the end of fucking to the more relaxed state of the money shot. And we all know the money shot is the "Money Shot", you don't cum you don't get paid.

David you state the model's are all interviewd before the shoot and acknowledge what they are going to be participants in, perhaps that would be a good behind the scenes interview to post as this would give the "true accounting" from the model's own mouth and in their own words. In fact, isn't that what the BTS postings were originally intended to be? A way of getting to know the models and their likes and dislikes on a more personal level?

So say what you will and put any spin you want on this scene, but until I hear it from Sean's mouth that this is what he wanted, I will have to side with the majority on this one. I don't back pedal as easily as some.

On a side note David, I have to say I really admire your character in your defense of Mark after he threw you under the bus in his second post on this thread. I guess it's all about knowing which side your bread is buttered on.

Peace- Jason

 

[MissDeidra]

I do not buy the excuse that the update was faked and it was an act. That young man is not that good of an actor. Total bollocks.

 

[zyl84]

I got the pitchfork! Who made the tinfoil hats? Slim, grab the tar and feathers... we're going in! Get real!!!!!!!!! Some of you will never get the fantasy side of porn, I swear...

 

[mikeyank]

I got the pitchfork! Who made the tinfoil hats? Slim, grab the tar and feathers... we're going in! Get real!!!!!!!!! Some of you will never get the fantasy side of porn, I swear...

Zyl. I'm glad to see that you "get it", and are capable of separating fantasy from reality.

 

[MissDeidra]

I don't believe it was all faked, and of coarse I know that most of the updates are utter bullshit. I don't believe the back stories....But I can tell fake from reality, and it was pretty plain to me that this update was not all white lies.

Go ahead and make fun of us taking it seriously all you want. You do that so well.

 

[mikeyank]

I do not buy the excuse that the update was faked and it was an act. That young man is not that good of an actor. Total bollocks.

May I ask you two questions?

1) After all the years of David's excellent work, which built this site into what it had become at it's peak, would he suddenly "go rouge", and participate in a shoot where a young model would be harmed?

2) After a long day where David wrote several lengthy posts taking us into the back story of what "really happened" the day of that shoot, why do you still say that you still don't "buy the excuse"? Unless I'm incorrectly intercepting your posts, it seems that you are calling David a liar, and that offends me.

 

[MissDeidra]

The feeling is mutual Mike.

 

[cumrag27]

Thank you for your candor

I don't believe it was all faked, and of coarse I know that most of the updates are utter bullshit. I don't believe the back stories....But I can tell fake from reality, and it was pretty plain to me that this update was not all white lies.

Go ahead and make fun of us taking it seriously all you want. You do that so well.

Dear MissDeidra,

With all the uproar over this update, thank you for your straight talk. I have nothing against David, per say. I feel Broke Straight Boys is in full "damage control". I too find it completely unbelievable suggesting this painful episode was merely scripted. Of all peoplel, Sean is not acting faining pain.

Sincerely,

Cumrag27, aka Stimpy

 

[joninliverton]

Wow I go to work for a few hours and all hell breaks lose, calm down people. I am just going to comment about the thread as I have not watched the film - yet.

After reading Mark's apology, then David's explanation on what he perceived to happen when the tapes get to BluMedia, I can thoroughly understand why Mark made the apology. After all BluMedia owns the site and is therefore ultimately responsible for the content and whether it gets released or not. In this case Mark has openly stated that he did not preview the film and has apologised thus. But why would Mark preview this, because if it was to follow the usual normal "boring routine" that so many have complained about in other threads, then there would be no problem.

So maybe there could have been a little note attached to the film requested Mark or one of his staff to watch the film before authorising it's release, guess there will be next time. Appreciate David's explanation and it's quite obvious that Sean wanted to experience the rougher side of gay sex, you don't get the experience of rough sex unless you get pain and he obviously got that, so he got what was requested by himself.

Personally I am not into pain and on previous such videos I too have announced my displeasure, so I shall not be watching this one - yet because you never know. I've said before I don't watch every episode on this site and I have my favourite genres and this is not one of them.

Regarding the so called changes that are going to be made. This is the first thread that Mark has openly said that major changes are going to happen, everything else was rumour control from the gang of 4 or 5 lol. Now we have it from the horses mouth can the announcement be made sooner than later. Thanks for understanding. x

 

[tjgoldstein73]

While I do believe that there is some merit to David's story that Sean did infact want 'rough sex', there is no way that Sean is acting the whole way through the scene. Sean clearly shows real pain and distress, as well as anger and frustration. While Sean may have initially wanted the 'rough sex', I'm fairly sure that in the end, it was a hell of a lot more than he expected or wanted.

As others have said, Sean just isn't that good at acting.

 

[rrhill]

The silver lining is this forum. It’s great to read all your opinions. Could we agree on: one rape video does not make David a bad director. In fact I love all of his other video’s; still watching season 2007. Especially the episodes where guys are really starting to enjoy themselves.

David should realize all subscribers here are equipped with a ultrasensitive Gaydar, and we can recognize fake from reality as well. Your models are no Hollywood actors.
My favourite movies are where straight guys gets the best sex given out, not by some old queen that focuses half his time on his own limp dick, but a handsome young bottom that wants to please. Those movies are rare. Does anybody like to hear fake moaning every two seconds? Make it as real as it gets, and use that god given dirty brains of yours to make it hot.

So David, if you don’t like to take criticism on the chin, you’d better start shooting some of your best video’s ever!

 

[chase3398]

David, your explanation takes a lot of the sting away from this experience. Many of us,I am sure, have known guys who like it rough. However, including the fact that Sean wanted to 'rough it' in the pre-scene dialog would have made a world of difference. As for the 'boring' topic, I am one who does not find Broke Straight Boys boring at all. There is a certain 'comfort zone' in knowing basically what to expect. A change in venue now and then has been a lot of fun and a little more of that would certainly enhance the site's appeal. Even a simple change of furniture in the studio. But, Broke Straight Boys is what it is and I happen to like it a lot. As for the changes coming, if it means a new director, I, for one, will definitely miss you since I think you've done an outstanding job.

 

[slimvintage]

I don't believe it was all faked, and of coarse I know that most of the updates are utter bullshit. I don't believe the back stories....But I can tell fake from reality, and it was pretty plain to me that this update was not all white lies.

Go ahead and make fun of us taking it seriously all you want. You do that so well.

I think you may mean that the fucking "Sean" was getting from "Santos" really hurt his ass a lot at certain points during the filming, and that some of his body language backs that up. As we now know "Sean" had joined bull sessions at D&E about rough sex, something he and his girl were into, and was impressed by some of the other models' saying they liked it better than vanilla. We know "Diesal" is into stuff like electro and I think bondage? and maybe leather? Standard S&M stuff, just the usual clichés, stuff people who like that sort of thing can identify their own longings with. Maybe some people who post on the forum are also into a bit of S&M.

But "Sean" probably isn't. He was only saying that if he was going to bottom for "Santos", he really really wanted "Santos" to give him a hard time, please. In the end he didn't get what he wanted. Great rough sex involves being moved muscularly into position, pushed down on the bed, held in place, kissed a bit roughly. Also wetly. Being what I call "powerfucked", with no little pauses for breath between positions. Some guys who like to be fucked rough also like to hear that they are "my little bitch boy", and get off on having to answer questions like, for example, 001_rolleyes: LOL) "ya like being fucked by my big ugly dick? Yeah? Yeah?"

"Santos", ostensibly sort of gay, didn't provide any of this charismatic stuff that makes for good, rough sex. Remember "Tyler"'s observation about little "Corey", the diminutive BSG makeup guy? "Who'd ever have guessed he could top like that; he's, like, an Aggressive Top!"

No "AT" Mr. "Santos". He has a big dick that he silently stuck into and pulled out of "Sean"'s behind, pausing frequently, changing positions when "Sean" asked him to, listening unmoved to the operatic performance, plugging away. He has a terrific undulating pelvic thrust and is probably a good lay when he's allowed to kiss the other guy, but rough is not his schtick. He did do some low-grade powerfucking: you can identify powerfucking by the rate and decibel level of the slapping sounds of pelvis on butt LOL.

This thread has seen a lot of name calling and outrage. But it hasn't got as ugly as it could get if we start taking sides between David and Mark. I can't think of anything more childish than that unless it's CryBoehby Boner telling his plans for the country come January. And the idea that the two of them might come onto the forum and play the blame game is just unthinkable. Well, just barely thinkable because there was a little of that earlier on. The idea that this really interesting scene, with a fascinating backstory, is proof that changes need to be made in the Broke Straight Boys product, is hypocritical and cowardly, and not the reason they are parting ways.

Since I have many personal reasons to think they're both nice guys, I'm taking sides to the following extent:

I resent any changes going forward that don't include David orchestrating and filming the scenes.

But I really look forward to seeing how Mark and his team (the one I trust most is Stephane) move into a post D&E universe.

In the meantime, enjoy what's left of D&E, and cross your fingers for Blu.

 

[mikeyank]

This thread has seen a lot of name calling and outrage. But it hasn't got as ugly as it could get if we start taking sides between David and Mark. I can't think of anything more childish than that unless it's CryBoehby Boner telling his plans for the country come January. And the idea that the two of them might come onto the forum and play the blame game is just unthinkable. Well, just barely thinkable because there was a little of that earlier on. The idea that this really interesting scene, with a fascinating backstory, is proof that changes need to be made in the BSB product, is hypocritical and cowardly, and not the reason they are parting ways.

Precisely, and that is what I mean by the spinning of revisionist history that some are participating in. Thank you for your intelligent comments, SOW (sage of wisdom)!