Sean & Santos 11/8 update

[rrhill]

Hi joninliverton,

Mark, David, you and the other members have created the hottest site I found on the internet so far. The combination of David hot movies, published on this professional site, with real fair deals, makes rate this site 10 out of 10 points.

The worst case scenario for me would be if for some reason Mark decides to part ways with David. The consequence would be that I had to subscribe to Davids new hot site as well. Fortunately I'm not broke!

As a newbie I am not going to tell anybody what to do, but I am curious to find out what's true of the rumors circulating here and what's not.

 

[dande01]

Any rape accusations are ridiculous. The models know what they are doing and are asked on camera if they agree to do this and we have the signed documentation. We also ask them if they are under the influence of drugs etc. I can't even believe someone would think this.

Thank you Mark! and I'm glad you got on and mention this fact

 

[rickster96056]

I have had plenty to say about my distaste of this particular update. However, in no way shape or form did it come across as RAPE!! If I had to put a label on it (which I did in an earlier post) I would call it an S&M scene.
Sorry Bob, we have similar opinions on the content but to go so far as to call it rape is waaaaay over the line. Not only do I not believe Broke Straight Boys would EVER film a rape scene, I'm betting that any porn site that filmed and published an ACTUAL rape would be shut down so fast it would make your head spin!
I didn't like the scene and hope there aren't more like it in the "can". Obviously other members did like it. I'm used to a kinder, gentler Broke Straight Boys and hope to see much more of that kind of content.

 

[rrhill]

I wrote 'rape movie' as one would write 'murder movie'; no actor gets raped or killed for real.

In hindsight all knowledge is simple, and I would have been wiser to choose my words more careful, and chosen 'hardcore movie' instead. I do apologize to those that took offense in my choice of words,

Robert

 

[rickster96056]

Hey rrhill..........I guess I should have been more clear myself. I was referring to SGVBOB, not you. Besides, as a fellow Dutchman how could I find fault with you?? As my ex-wife used to say.........You can tell he's Dutch, but you can't tell him much!
Do you think she was implying I'm stubborn?? LOL!

 

[SGVBOB]

definition help...pay CLOSE attention to #2

well this scene SURE AS HELL LOOKED, "FORCED", as SANTOS FORCED himself onto Sean, after the obvious look in Sean's face of, "STOP PLEASE!"


rape:
1    /reɪp/ Show Spelled [reyp] Show IPA noun, verb, raped, rap·ing.
–noun
1.
the unlawful compelling of a woman through physical force or duress to have sexual intercourse.
2.
any act of sexual intercourse that is forced upon a person.

Thank you Mark! and I'm glad you got on and mention this fact

 

[SGVBOB]

I TOTALLY agree about the 'kinder, gentler Broke Straight Boys' part, and MAYBE in a few months, I can get this scene behind me, as well, by that time, hopefully NEWER, and MORE 'as usual' scenes will have filmed.

I have had plenty to say about my distaste of this particular update. However, in no way shape or form did it come across as RAPE!! If I had to put a label on it (which I did in an earlier post) I would call it an S&M scene.
Sorry Bob, we have similar opinions on the content but to go so far as to call it rape is waaaaay over the line. Not only do I not believe Broke Straight Boys would EVER film a rape scene, I'm betting that any porn site that filmed and published an ACTUAL rape would be shut down so fast it would make your head spin!
I didn't like the scene and hope there aren't more like it in the "can". Obviously other members did like it. I'm used to a kinder, gentler Broke Straight Boys and hope to see much more of that kind of content.

 

[rrhill]

Hi rickster96056,

So I am not the only gay in town, from Holland.

Hi SGVBOB,

I still did not watch this movie, except for the cumshot scene; no love lost there between the models.

But a model has always the freedom to choose. He can stop, speak his mind, alter positions. Real rape victims do not go to a porn studio to make a porn movie for money, but they are victims of a crime. This is a hardcore movie, not the recording of a crime.

This is sad day for most of the loyal Broke Straight Boys members, now that David has confirmed he will no longer deliver content to this site.

So I will be the member of two great sites. Watching David’s latest movies, and looking forward to what Mark has in store for the Broke Straight Boys site.

 

[joninliverton]

well this scene SURE AS HELL LOOKED, "FORCED", as SANTOS FORCED himself onto Sean, after the obvious look in Sean's face of, "STOP PLEASE!"


rape:
1    /reɪp/ Show Spelled [reyp] Show IPA noun, verb, raped, rap·ing.
–noun
1.
the unlawful compelling of a woman through physical force or duress to have sexual intercourse.
2.
any act of sexual intercourse that is forced upon a person.

Bob, I'm not sure whether you're on something here dude, but you make 2 public apologies yesterday and still go on about the RAPE. WTF are you playing at and let things rest or I fear/hope we won't be seeing much of you
in the future

 

[SGVBOB]

You couldnt be MORE wrong, but that is YOUR 'opinion'. As I stated, previously, this 'scene' was"in EXTREME BAD TASTE", since there WAS no fore-mention, in the summary, THAT is what "SEAN WANTED!"



QUOTE=carking1;52469]Ms. Kianna, I have never agreed with you more! My membership expires in about 8 days. I will not renew it. Even though I may monitor the site until then, I can promise everyone this will be my last post. From some of you, I can hear the applause all the way in Ohio.

I am saddened, sickened, and totally pissed off at some of the people on this forum. I am stunned and shocked at those who refuse to or are incapable of comprehending that this is NOT reality. I am disgusted with the ones on here who are stabbing David in the back on his way out the door. Shame on you.

I will get burned at the stake for this, but if it weren't for David, this site would never have gotten off the ground. And, it will be interesting to see where it will go after he moves on to bigger and better things. And, he has been more responsive and accessible than any director on any site. Find another site with a forum and try to contact the director. Good luck. But, David is moving on and I wish him all the luck.

For those of you who just can't get over this scene, you basically have a couple of choices: watch it or don't. I have said this over and over, if you want to run the site, buy it. If you don't own it, your only way to control the content is with your money. if you dislike it that badly, then cancel your membership and quit all the fucking whining. It's what I did.

SGVBOB, David has pointed out that no one got raped in this scene, and no one will ever be raped under his watch. I believe that if Sean himself posted on here and told you that he didn't get raped, it would still not satisfy you.

The point here is, we have all made our point. Some people liked the scene, most did not. Show me another site where you like EVERY scene. It doesn't exist. As I said, I'm saddling up my pony and heading off, never to be heard from again. I will leave you all in the capable hands of lovelumps, slimvintage, mikeyank, and zyl84, who always post with insight, intellegence and aplomb. I leave you under the watchful eye of a moderator whose allegiance apparently goes where the wind blows. I wish you all health and happiness.

Carking1 is signing off.[/QUOTE]

 

[SGVBOB]

...and yet again, I am EXTREMELY sorry that you were raped. here is the DICTIONARY definition of rape:

rape
1. the unlawful compelling of a woman, (OR MAN))through physical force or duress to have sexual intercourse
any act of sexual intercourse that is forced upon a person.[/

6.
to force to have sexual intercourse.
7.
to plunder (a place); despoil.
8.
to seize, take, or carry off by force.

Ill say it because no one else will, you're fucking delusional!!!!! AGAIN THIS IS NOWHERE CLOSE TO THE PAIN AND TERROR RAPE CAUSES!!!! Rape is non consentual, it is violent, inhumane, degrading, life altering and leaves its VICTIMS feeling helpless and disgusting. You don't laugh or even attempt to joke after being raped. Stop fucking calling it rape. Get a clue before jumping off a bridge...

Sincerely yours,
A true rape victim

 

[zyl84]

...and yet again, I am EXTREMELY sorry that you were raped. here is the DICTIONARY definition of rape:

rape
1. the unlawful compelling of a woman, (OR MAN))through physical force or duress to have sexual intercourse
any act of sexual intercourse that is forced upon a person.[/

6.
to force to have sexual intercourse.
7.
to plunder (a place); despoil.
8.
to seize, take, or carry off by force.

Again, I'm sorry you don't understand the definition of CONSENT form. I can copy and past too!

con·sent
   /kənˈsɛnt/ Show Spelled[kuhn-sent] Show IPA
–verb (used without object)
1.
to permit, approve, or agree; comply or yield (often fol. by to or an infinitive): He consented to the proposal. We asked her permission, and she consented.

 

[ScottC]

After a very extended hiatus, I came back to see what was new, and apparently the old adage, the more things change the more they stay the same. I was browsing this thread as I downloaded the clip, and now after having watched it, I'm convinced it never shoould have been submitted.

Yes, I read the background that David posted, but it read more as an excuse and once again overly defensive. To hear David explain things, it's never his fault or anything. And anytime someone takes issue with something he does, they're berated.

Regardless of what the model "wanted", it's the directors job to do what's needed, and David failed in this.

While many may mourn his leaving Broke Straight Boys, I for one welcome it. The new director can only go up. Judging from this clip, they can't go any lower.

 

[slimvintage]

After a very extended hiatus, I came back to see what was new, and apparently the old adage, the more things change the more they stay the same. I was browsing this thread as I downloaded the clip, and now after having watched it, I'm convinced it never shoould have been submitted.

Yes, I read the background that David posted, but it read more as an excuse and once again overly defensive. To hear David explain things, it's never his fault or anything. And anytime someone takes issue with something he does, they're berated.

Regardless of what the model "wanted", it's the directors job to do what's needed, and David failed in this.

While many may mourn his leaving Broke Straight Boys, I for one welcome it. The new director can only go up. Judging from this clip, they can't go any lower.

Hey Scott, nice to see you back.

I'm right that even after knowing all the facts about this one isolated video, you're judging David, Eddie and Tyler's work only on the merits of this one scene? That the entire body of work over the years, whatever pleasure it may have brought you, gets cancelled out because you don't find yourself in tune with this shoot? You think that this film is so repugnant that it has no place in a niche, fetish pornography site catering to people who get off on seeing uncomfortable straighties having to undergo a lot of gay shit against all their instincts in order to make the cash they need for school, rent and car payments?

And that you think this video is somehow the proof that anything else other than David's work is necessarily, just by not being David's (whatever it's other characteristics might be haha) is by definition going to be an improvement?

OK.

As I say, nice to see you back.

 

[mikeyank]

While many may mourn his leaving Broke Straight Boys, I for one welcome it. The new director can only go up. Judging from this clip, they can't go any lower.

Scott, if you've enjoyed this site enough to have been a member previously, and you rejoined recently to see what's going on here now, why do you welcome D&E no longer shooting the scenes? What did you like about the site, if not the model's that David hired, housed, and filmed over the years?

You say that the new director can only go up, implying that David's work is so bad. If you don't like the product that David has given us over the years, what is it that you like about the site?

I can't believe that one failed episode, would negate all of the product that you've enjoyed. If that is the case, you are a very harsh critic, who leaves no room for a failed attempt to do a "different" kind of scene. I didn't enjoy this episode either, but I can't think of any director, (in main stream media) whose work excels 100% of the time. Francis Ford Coppola directed some of the greatest movies ever made, but he also made some clunkers. Does that mean that he should never direct again? You are obviously entitled to your opinion, but I really don't follow your logic in saying what you did.

 

[rrhill]

And let's be fair. David filmed the episode, and Mark the owner of this site choose not to remove this movie. It takes two to tango at Broke Straight Boys!

Do you want to replace Mark as well?

 

[yabba]

Guys the clip clearly showed that a Sean was hurting, that Santos didn't particularly care, and that at a certain point Sean called a stop to the fucking and it stopped. This is NOT rape. At worst it is Sean being exploited for a fair hunk of cash and IMHO not even that.

 

[joninliverton]

And let's be fair. David filmed the episode, and Mark the owner of this site choose not to remove this movie. It takes two to tango at Broke Straight Boys!

Do you want to replace Mark as well?

Absolutely my european friend.

 

[aquarius]

I just watched it. Didn't like it. But, didn't see Sean push away once. He slapped at Santos several times and each time he did Santos slowed down and Sean stopped. Go back and look. When he complained about his position, Sean was complaining about almost falling over the edge of the futon. When he got the chance to move, he moved over to the center of the futon and assumed the same position. It's that same old bugaboo we so often have here: someone yells wolf and our minds begin to see 'big and bad' behind every bush.

I know Sean has a puppy dog face and an adenoidal voice and he's very vocal, check the previous anal scene he did. I also know his crayola is not the reddest or the yellowest in the box, so he does draw a viewer's empathy. He certainly drew mine. And Santos is certainly not involved in this scene. He's very cold and mechanical and is doing what we're told he was told to do - push! As to Sean's response - a friend noted something I think worthy of at least a passing glance: at one point, Sean's toes curl. That's a strange response, don't you think, for someone hating every moment?

I have to say again, I don't like this scene. I still call sex by that old expression making love. People who need anything more than a gentle man with a dick to accomplish an orgasm are a mystery to me - but that's just me.

There is one other thing I need to remind Scott of: D&E was under contract to Blu. Every piece of film they shot for Broke Straight Boys was paid for by Blu and belonged to Blu. There was no submission to Blu. Blu owned it before it came out of the camera. It was sent to them because they had already paid for it. They edited it and they chose to broadcast it. That must have been difficult to see from so high a perch - next time be sure there's a horse under you before you pronounce judgement. . .perhaps the hiatus was not long enough.

And, yes, Slim, that's a cattleprod!

 

[slimvintage]

cattleprod

The whole cattleprod weekend makes me writhe in shame. You were such a gentleman throughout, a terrific sport, extremely amusing in your urbane and subtle way. No different from how you were then in this post.