Excellent insights from someone who has been here "forever"!!!
Yes. Very well said Mikey.
Excellent insights from someone who has been here "forever"!!!
I agree with Peter, Stowe, and Betu. I've been a member since Mark began this forum, approximately six years ago and one of the things that I've always admired about Mark is how he's given us total freedom to express ourselves, even when we are in total disagreement with site policy at times. There have been rare times when Mark has closed a thread or not allowed us to offer our honest unfiltered opinions, even when they are negative regarding his site.
My feeling has always been that the forum "belongs" to us, the paying members. I thought that is why Mark created it. And when models post, they are stepping into "our forum". There have been suggestions made (including by myself and Jon) that the models be restricted to the "Chat with our models" thread where we could interact if we choose, but on the scene reviews and all, I sometimes feel the need to curb my unbiased opinion when the scene involves one of the models who post on the forum. It can make for an uncomfortable position of my having to decide between lying or being rude.
It's nice to have you being so interactive with us Damian. You are here with us and give us very detailed answers to our questions regarding things at Broke Straight Boys, but I hope that you are not asking us in any way to temper our opinions of the models, for fear of hurting them, as I do love the total freedom I've always felt here to state my honest and unfiltered opinions.
Hi,
While these critiques offer a way for you, as our members, to express how you feel about a certain model's performance, we have to remember that these are young, straight men that don't necessarily have much experience with gay sex. Most come to us without any experience at all and are nervous, feel varying emotions for having to have sex with another guy to pay their bills, and have varying levels of self-esteem to begin with. Many of them have enjoyed healthy sex lives until they see some of the critiques of their performances on the boards. This has made many feel inadequate which leads to "thinking too much about it" when in the studio. Most models can't handle the criticism and choose not to participate in the forums because of this.
On the other hand, many end up suppressing their desire to do what our members ask and end up not doing more scenes. The ones who do participate have gotten past questioning their sexuality and the essence of their masculinity. It takes time to get our guys to try some of the things that you want to see onscreen, but I believe the hottest aspect of watching gay for pay porn is in seeing a guy try something for the first time. They may be a little awkward at it at first, but they learn and become better at it. That's why we always aim to take a simple porn performer and mold them into a porn star, but it takes time and effort. We often have great difficulty finding participants who are truly straight and open to trying new things. When we do, the results can be stellar.
One model, who I will not name, said that he categorized his different emotions under the rubrics of “true self” and “false self.” The true self felt masculine, was “adequate, on par,” “secure, confident, capable,” and “at home in his body.” The false self did not feel masculine, was inadequate and insecure, and felt alienated from his body. As as he began to feel comfortable with having sex with men, he eventually felt more at peace with his masculine self. Positive comments about his performance made him think he thought he had gained valuable insight into being good in bed, but he then realized that it provided false hope, which can be devastating. He eventually gave up because of the pressure combined with the increasing conflict between his ideals and his sexual behavior. For a long time, the things said about him continued to haunt him. I asked about the criticisms leveled at him. “In retrospect, I have to admit I think the critiques are largely correct,” he said. "The porn lifestyle is very lonely,” he told me.
Some of these critiques should be left for the director who coaches our guys through their scenes. The majority of the guys on our site are great at what they do including Tyler. Tyler is a beautiful person, and I will say that the boisterous, energetic, somewhat aggressive Tyler is the real Tyler. He's a tough kid that has been through a lot, and this is all new to him. I like a lot of the critiques here and agree with many of them. However, these should be left for the director. Tyler, I know you asked for this and you're a brave soul for doing so, but don't let the comments dictate what you do in the studio or get you down. You have finally gotten to the point where you are yourself on camera-- a tough guy with a heart of gold that performs without any problems. This kid is ready to go and we never have performance problems with him. Let the director and producers take these comments and work them into what he does in order to obtain the best performance possible.
Members, the thing I have begun to like about the boards is that you are a passionate bunch and fiercely loyal to the product. We love hearing what you have to say. You make this site great and we listen and evaluate everything you say. It's also a great case study into what people like sexually, what turns you on, and why some guys are liked more than others. It's pretty fascinating stuff. Wish I would have saved my thesis for this instead.
My two cents....
With much love and respect,
DC
These two paragraphs kind of contradict each other. I think I understand what your saying though, but the forum was created for the members not the models. After the model section was added, this was a plus for us to be able to interact with them. Like you said to Tyler don't take all the critism to heart, was good advice. We as members all have different tastes in models and what we like to see on film. But to ask us to leave the critqueing to the director is opposite of why the forum was created in the first place. Not trying to bust your balls DC, just my observation.
I agree with Peter, Stowe, and Betu. I've been a member since Mark began this forum, approximately six years ago and one of the things that I've always admired about Mark is how he's given us total freedom to express ourselves, even when we are in total disagreement with site policy at times. There have been rare times when Mark has closed a thread or not allowed us to offer our honest unfiltered opinions, even when they are negative regarding his site.
My feeling has always been that the forum "belongs" to us, the paying members. I thought that is why Mark created it. And when models post, they are stepping into "our forum". There have been suggestions made (including by myself and Jon) that the models be restricted to the "Chat with our models" thread where we could interact if we choose, but on the scene reviews and all, I sometimes feel the need to curb my unbiased opinion when the scene involves one of the models who post on the forum. It can make for an uncomfortable position of my having to decide between lying or being rude.
It's nice to have you being so interactive with us Damian. You are here with us and give us very detailed answers to our questions regarding things at Broke Straight Boys, but I hope that you are not asking us in any way to temper our opinions of the models, for fear of hurting them, as I do love the total freedom I've always felt here to state my honest and unfiltered opinions.
Wow Damian!DChristopher
Hi,
While these critiques offer a way for you, as our members, to express how you feel about a certain model's performance, we have to remember that these are young, straight men that don't necessarily have much experience with gay sex. Most come to us without any experience at all and are nervous, feel varying emotions for having to have sex with another guy to pay their bills, and have varying levels of self-esteem to begin with. Many of them have enjoyed healthy sex lives until they see some of the critiques of their performances on the boards. This has made many feel inadequate which leads to "thinking too much about it" when in the studio. Most models can't handle the criticism and choose not to participate in the forums because of this.
It takes time to get our guys to try some of the things that you want to see onscreen, but I believe the hottest aspect of watching gay for pay porn is in seeing a guy try something for the first time. They may be a little awkward at it at first, but they learn and become better at it. That's why we always aim to take a simple porn performer and mold them into a porn star, but it takes time and effort. We often have great difficulty finding participants who are truly straight and open to trying new things. When we do, the results can be stellar.
One model, who I will not name, said that he categorized his different emotions under the rubrics of “true self” and “false self.” The true self felt masculine, was “adequate, on par,” “secure, confident, capable,” and “at home in his body.” The false self did not feel masculine, was inadequate and insecure, and felt alienated from his body. As he began to feel comfortable with having sex with men, he eventually felt more at peace with his masculine self. Positive comments about his performance made him think he thought he had gained valuable insight into being good in bed, but he then realized that it provided false hope, which can be devastating. He eventually gave up because of the pressure combined with the increasing conflict between his ideals and his sexual behavior. For a long time, the things said about him continued to haunt him. I asked about the criticisms leveled at him. “In retrospect, I have to admit I think the critiques are largely correct,” he said. "The porn lifestyle is very lonely,” he told me.
Some of these critiques should be left for the director who coaches our guys through their scenes. The majority of the guys on our site are great at what they do including Tyler. Tyler is a beautiful person, and I will say that the boisterous, energetic, somewhat aggressive Tyler is the real Tyler. He's a tough kid that has been through a lot, and this is all new to him. I like a lot of the critiques here and agree with many of them. However, these should be left for the director. Tyler, I know you asked for this and you're a brave soul for doing so, but don't let the comments dictate what you do in the studio or get you down. You have finally gotten to the point where you are yourself on camera-- a tough guy with a heart of gold that performs without any problems. This kid is ready to go and we never have performance problems with him. Let the director and producers take these comments and work them into what he does in order to obtain the best performance possible.
Damian:
1. To reiterate what you said to Tyler and this applies to all models - don't ask for critiques if they will upset you or "get you down".
2. This forum is member oriented. If the models wish to join and participate or just read them, that is up to them. And it should not and will not inhibit members from stating their views. And there are models who post because they like the adulation from some members.
3. Models perform on this site. And as with any performer the way they perform is subject to review be it good or bad. To review and make comments about a model's performance is the right of a member as long as it is done within the bounds of socially acceptable porn site civility. No one forces a model to read the thread about his performance. If he only wants to read positive reviews, then he probably shouldn't read the thread because there have been precious view threads where there were only positive comments about a performance.
4. I would hope that most members feel that the models if they are truly straight and have never had sex with any other man would be tentative, nervous, and hesitant about doing so. And we would also understand that the money and their need of it is the draw to get them to do gay sex. However, for those who stick around and continue to take the money for the sex, they have an obligation to improve on their craft, their performing if you will.
5. I'm sure there is a significant majority of members who have had varying degrees of experience with hustlers, street trade, or escorts. I know I have. And believe me if some of our Broke Straight Boys models were out on the streets and perform they way they do, they would not have many returning customers. Here at Broke Straight Boys we members are paying not to have sex with the guys, but to be voyeurs - watching guys having sex with each other. That is an awful lot of different appetites to be satisfied. And as has been stated many times before on this forum, everyone knows no one can please everybody all the time. You strive to please some of the people some of the time and over the course of time everyone will be satisfied some of the time.
6. I agree that the director and/or producer should be THE person who works with the model to structure the scene and help him get more comfortable with his work. And the director can read the forum and get an idea of what the majority of members like or want to see. Johnny has done that in the past and assume he continues to do so. And he took some of our recommendations to heart and has implemented them. But he is the experienced professional; the models are not. Perhaps the models should be discouraged from asking for performance tips from the members.
Thank u dc I'm glad to know I am doing my job right and I will admit at times I do try way to hard. But when I do start filming again things will be different. Due to all the advise and suggestion given to me. I will make myself a better model for u guys to enjoy and loveHi,
While these critiques offer a way for you, as our members, to express how you feel about a certain model's performance, we have to remember that these are young, straight men that don't necessarily have much experience with gay sex. Most come to us without any experience at all and are nervous, feel varying emotions for having to have sex with another guy to pay their bills, and have varying levels of self-esteem to begin with. Many of them have enjoyed healthy sex lives until they see some of the critiques of their performances on the boards. This has made many feel inadequate which leads to "thinking too much about it" when in the studio. Most models can't handle the criticism and choose not to participate in the forums because of this.
On the other hand, many end up suppressing their desire to do what our members ask and end up not doing more scenes. The ones who do participate have gotten past questioning their sexuality and the essence of their masculinity. It takes time to get our guys to try some of the things that you want to see onscreen, but I believe the hottest aspect of watching gay for pay porn is in seeing a guy try something for the first time. They may be a little awkward at it at first, but they learn and become better at it. That's why we always aim to take a simple porn performer and mold them into a porn star, but it takes time and effort. We often have great difficulty finding participants who are truly straight and open to trying new things. When we do, the results can be stellar.
One model, who I will not name, said that he categorized his different emotions under the rubrics of “true self” and “false self.” The true self felt masculine, was “adequate, on par,” “secure, confident, capable,” and “at home in his body.” The false self did not feel masculine, was inadequate and insecure, and felt alienated from his body. As as he began to feel comfortable with having sex with men, he eventually felt more at peace with his masculine self. Positive comments about his performance made him think he thought he had gained valuable insight into being good in bed, but he then realized that it provided false hope, which can be devastating. He eventually gave up because of the pressure combined with the increasing conflict between his ideals and his sexual behavior. For a long time, the things said about him continued to haunt him. I asked about the criticisms leveled at him. “In retrospect, I have to admit I think the critiques are largely correct,” he said. "The porn lifestyle is very lonely,” he told me.
Some of these critiques should be left for the director who coaches our guys through their scenes. The majority of the guys on our site are great at what they do including Tyler. Tyler is a beautiful person, and I will say that the boisterous, energetic, somewhat aggressive Tyler is the real Tyler. He's a tough kid that has been through a lot, and this is all new to him. I like a lot of the critiques here and agree with many of them. However, these should be left for the director. Tyler, I know you asked for this and you're a brave soul for doing so, but don't let the comments dictate what you do in the studio or get you down. You have finally gotten to the point where you are yourself on camera-- a tough guy with a heart of gold that performs without any problems. This kid is ready to go and we never have performance problems with him. Let the director and producers take these comments and work them into what he does in order to obtain the best performance possible.
Members, the thing I have begun to like about the boards is that you are a passionate bunch and fiercely loyal to the product. We love hearing what you have to say. You make this site great and we listen and evaluate everything you say. It's also a great case study into what people like sexually, what turns you on, and why some guys are liked more than others. It's pretty fascinating stuff. Wish I would have saved my thesis for this instead.
My two cents....
With much love and respect,
DC
I couldn't agree more Top Jock. I too am here for the fantasy of watching straight guys have gay sex, not to see what is available on tons of gay websites.Really you're quite cute but don't try too hard. Be yourself. Don't watch either str8 or gay porn and try to emulate them. This website is a fantasy for us. We assume you are str8 and fantasize that you secretely actually enjoy sex with a man. So all this talk about "do you like this dick...you're so big...etc is not really what we want to hear! Leave that for gay porn!
It's hard to direct comments to the director when the MODEL himself posts, asking for feedback. It seems to me that if you don't want comments directed towards the models:
1. Don't allow models to post (even though they all do a great job of managing their own image through Facebook)
2. As the staff and or director, take the questions the models have about improving their performance and then post them for feedback as if they were coming from you.
I get really tired of the "poor me," "guilt you into feeling sorry for me..." type remarks by both staff and models. No matter the business anyone is in, constructive criticism is something everyone needs to learn to accept. Having re-read much of this this, I see very little in the way of overt ruddiness, or people intentionally trying to hurt a model, etc...quite frankly what I see a lot of is poor customer service, then backtracking after seeing how the customer responds.
Furthermore, young, old, in between, anyone entering into the adult porn industry, is just that, an adult! Therefore, if a model cannot take the ups and downs that come with this industry then obviously he is not mature enough to be on this site, and might need to rethink their career choices no matter how permanent or temporary they may be.
then you won't take offense to me saying that you are rude and crude for not being more sensitive to the models. many come on to make money, not to be critiqued by guys who jerk their dicks all day long to their fantasy guys and have no real person to person contact or even know what that is. have you ever made a decision to do something in the hopes that you can do it and get away with it without being judged by it? learn to accept that youre a jerk.It's hard to direct comments to the director when the MODEL himself posts, asking for feedback. It seems to me that if you don't want comments directed towards the models:
1. Don't allow models to post (even though they all do a great job of managing their own image through Facebook)
2. As the staff and or director, take the questions the models have about improving their performance and then post them for feedback as if they were coming from you.
I get really tired of the "poor me," "guilt you into feeling sorry for me..." type remarks by both staff and models. No matter the business anyone is in, constructive criticism is something everyone needs to learn to accept. Having re-read much of this this, I see very little in the way of overt ruddiness, or people intentionally trying to hurt a model, etc...quite frankly what I see a lot of is poor customer service, then backtracking after seeing how the customer responds.
Furthermore, young, old, in between, anyone entering into the adult porn industry, is just that, an adult! Therefore, if a model cannot take the ups and downs that come with this industry then obviously he is not mature enough to be on this site, and might need to rethink their career choices no matter how permanent or temporary they may be.
1-It is not our responsibility to be "sensitive" to the models who choose to post on the forum. They are being paid to perform and we are paying to watch them perform, and Mark has given us this forum to comment on their performance, much as the negative crap that you spewed toward Paul Canon the other day.then you won't take offense to me saying that you are rude and crude for not being more sensitive to the models. many come on to make money, not to be critiqued by guys who jerk their dicks all day long to their fantasy guys and have no real person to person contact or even know what that is. have you ever made a decision to do something in the hopes that you can do it and get away with it without being judged by it? learn to accept that youre a jerk.
Excellent post indeed Samm, and please discount the low class jerk who rudely criticized you in a classless way for your intuitive insightful post.It's hard to direct comments to the director when the MODEL himself posts, asking for feedback. It seems to me that if you don't want comments directed towards the models:
1. Don't allow models to post (even though they all do a great job of managing their own image through Facebook)
2. As the staff and or director, take the questions the models have about improving their performance and then post them for feedback as if they were coming from you.
I get really tired of the "poor me," "guilt you into feeling sorry for me..." type remarks by both staff and models. No matter the business anyone is in, constructive criticism is something everyone needs to learn to accept. Having re-read much of this this, I see very little in the way of overt ruddiness, or people intentionally trying to hurt a model, etc...quite frankly what I see a lot of is poor customer service, then backtracking after seeing how the customer responds.
Furthermore, young, old, in between, anyone entering into the adult porn industry, is just that, an adult! Therefore, if a model cannot take the ups and downs that come with this industry then obviously he is not mature enough to be on this site, and might need to rethink their career choices no matter how permanent or temporary they may be.
1-It is not our responsibility to be "sensitive" to the models who choose to post on the forum. They are being paid to perform and we are paying to watch them perform, and Mark has given us this forum to comment on their performance, much as the negative crap that you spewed toward Paul Canon the other day.
2-"let him who is without sin, cast the first stone", doctor. Are you not one of the guys "who jerk their dicks all day long to their fantasy guys and have no real person to person contact or even know what that is."? Isn't that why you've spent so much time on this site on and off for years as you tell us? And why are you being rude to Mark who owns this site, as without guys who "jerk their dicks" to porn, Mark would be out of business.
3-What kind of a doctor would spew out garbage like this? Who are you really, why did you decide to cast your negativity on this mostly happy place where we've been having fun, making friends and for the most part enjoying friendly banter with models here for years? Indeed what is your agenda, "good doctor'???? Basically I'm asking what hole did you crawl out of and when are you going to crawl back in? it's like you've cast a cloud of negativity over this whole forum, and the stench is really getting to me now.
You say to be sensitive to the boys, but why were you so rude and insensitive in your comments to one of our fan favorite models, Paul Canon? Paul has now been here for over two years and is consistently in the top 10 favorites of the fans. Why do you feel like you can judge who we can critique while you say hateful things yourself?Being paid to perform does not entitle you or anyone to say what they want. do you go to your local wal mart and be an ass just because you "pay" them. i was not rude to the owner and you still miss my point. be sensitive when dealing with these boys. thats my whole agenda as you call it. being a doctor has allowed me to know when something is dangerous. would you tell these boys they stink to their faces. no, you would be laid out on the floor. dont do it here and that goes for anybody else reading this. and btw, i jerk my dick in the morning around 4am when i get up for my shift. how about you?
You say to be sensitive to the boys, but why were you so rude and insensitive in your comments to one of our fan favorite models, Paul Canon? Paul has now been here for over two years and is consistently in the top 10 favorites of the fans. Why do you feel like you can judge who we can critique while you say hateful things yourself?
Oh and not that I asked, but it's interesting that you jerked off at around 4 AM this morning after you wrote all of your hateful, negative posts. I guess being "a dick" really turns you on more than I had realized.
Believe it or not, he wants to meet you and compare you to Broke Straight Boys models. Here is his message to you:Mike dude - just put MI24 on your ignore list like I have done. Don't go down to his gutter level, it doesn't suit you because you are a really nice person. Incidentally, MI24 sent me a visitors message on my page which I cannot see because he is on my ignore list. Anyone want to enlighten me what's it about or is it the same trash that he spews up in here.