The Virtual Coffee Shop, Diner And Corner Pub

[mikeyank]

Many times over the years, the subject has been brought up of why do straight guys turn to gay porn as a way to earn money. My position has always been that a true 100% straight guy would do anything but suck another guy’s dick or have anal sex no matter how desperate he is. Others have said that as gay men they would have had sex with a female if desperate enough, while I never was physically capable of getting an erection for a girl.

On this bitter cold January day in the Northeast of the U.S., I thought The Virtual Coffee Shop, Diner And Corner Pub would be a good place to kick around the topic. My favorite models ever on this site are the guys who came in proclaiming that they were 100% straight and only doing it for the money, yet they got into the sex as their partners turned them on in the height of sexual passion. Guys like Mike Robbins, Deisel, Tank Shane, and later Jimmy Johnson and Cage Kafig and Spencer and more recently Ethan Steel. I think that they always had an interest in gay sex, but doing it here was more of an excuse to themselves with the money being their reason.

 

[br6205]

Interesting you choose guys who never got fucked (on line). Frankly unlike some I want all players to at least try the opposite role once. I contend you can not be the best partner until you experience what they feel. I know many others do not feel that way, which is why we have the Forum to express & argue not to change what others may think! But sometimes people do change or modify their opinion and at the very least better understand what others think & why.

 

[mikeyank]

It’s true that in my fantasy, straight guys don’t get fucked. I know it’s not necessarily true and actually from the guys I mentioned Mike, Diesal and Shane did all try it one time on Broke Straight Boys, and Spencer and Cage Kafig multiple times. Jimmy and Ethan, not…..yet on Broke Straight Boys

 

[br6205]

It really troubles me how gay leaning guys including my self at an early age feel as they do. Don't get me wrong. Home life being good is often the factor. Nowadays there are resources to turn to but they are in places which are generally not available to guys outside gay areas.

I have stated before Mike and I agree that a truly 100% straight guy will not have sex with another guy. The question of a so-called straight guys getting fucked is puzzling. Of course there a a not small group of straight identifying men who like anal stimulation either through sex toys or a female using a dildoa to fuck them. But then what really if the difference whether a guy or girl fucks you. Of course a top is not like the real Mc Coy but still it is more similar than consimilar.

Kissing whether a girl or boy is a different kettle of fish. If you like your partner & they are into you there really is no difference as I found out personally

 

[Jaybifla]

So I guess you both agree that a 100% straight girl would never have sex with another girl.

 

[mikeyank]

So I guess you both agree that a 100% straight girl would never have sex with another girl.

As I’ve said many times here Jay that I can only definitively speak for myself. Br has told us that he was married and has three children as does Stowe and several other forumites whom I’ve met over the years were married to women and fathered children. I never had any attraction to females and the thought of putting my mouth or my dick anywhere near female private parts is repugnant to me. And straight men have told me that the thought of doing the same with another male is just as gross to them as women’s private parts are to me.

This is why I do believe that the Kinsey scale makes sense as it applies to me and it applies to the gay guys who have had intimate sexual relations with women and fathered children. In today’s Broke Straight Boys scene we have Mikey who is in a relationship with a woman and supports their child, and Duncan who tells us that he considered himself straight until in recent times when he moved to Orlando and realized that his sexuality is more fluid. And last week we saw Izzy who considers himself pansexual.

I am honestly not arguing or trying to convince anyone that my point of view is correct or incorrect. I just find the subject fascinating, and as there is so little conversation going on the forum currently, I just wanted to get some discussion going, and being that this site is based on the premise of straight guys getting it on with gay guys for money, I thought it was appropriate fodder for discussion here. No offense meant to anyone with different thoughts on the subject.

 

[mikeyank]

I have a friend who I grew up with, who was part of the “gay society” of New York City in the seventies, living in a beautiful apartment in Manhattan with his partner, going to all the clubs and “beautiful boy” parties on Fire Island and in The Hamptons, spending vacations in Europe in London, Paris and Mykonos Island in Greece.

He is now retired in Florida and he is always telling me how the young guys of today have a whole different mindset of sexuality where having a sexual encounter with your male friend is not considered taboo as it once was. I argue that this may be true in cosmopolitan, more liberal parts of the country, but based on YouTube “Coming Out” videos, I see that there are still many young men who need to hide their sexuality from their religious parents or their “Red Neck” high school friends. Many of these kids have to run away from home or are kicked out of home because homosexuality or bisexuality is totally frowned upon in their part of the country.

And watching some of the BTS interviews that David does with our models. I hear the same story of how some have to hide their sexuality from their parents and friends in school. My point is that yes, society in general has changed for the better today, but not for every kid growing up and not in every family either.

 

[tampa24]

I asked for details and so I appreciate what you wrote. Please don’t apologize. All of our lives are a journey, and speaking for myself, I have found that strife can prepare us for future opportunities that become a plus. For example in 2004, my lifetime job of thirty plus years came to an end and for the first time since I was eighteen had to find a job. I found a job becoming an outside salesman driving around the five boroughs of New York City trying to sell my companies goods. I was a terrible salesman as it was not what I was accustomed to doing.

But for one thing, I got to see parts of the city I had no clue about. In my semi-retirement I starting going on walking tours discovering more about the neighborhoods I discovered during my salesman years. The walking tours have become a fun part of my current life. And more importantly, after retiring from full time work, I started working part time in the office using skills that I had gained at my original job. And I have no pressure now, as I don’t work for the money but rather for the enjoyment of it, and giving my week a regular routine. And I provide skills for my company that no one else there have. It is a win win situation.

I'm so glad you clarified that you keep working in your semi-retirement because you enjoy it and you like that it adds structure to your week and your time off. So many times in the past when you said you were working a particular day or a stretch of time, (in your "retirement") I was cringing for you my friend. So many older people (single gay people or even straight people without children especially) are forced to keep working in their retirements just to make ends meet. Believe me, I see a lot of that in Florida where the demographic of the overall population tends to skew older anyway.

I'm very happy to know that you actually enjoy the work because it plays to your strengths now. (Unlike salesmanship. haha) And I'm thrilled that your employer values you and appreciates the talents and expertise you bring to the table. While I'm sure the extra money is nice and comes in handy for things you'd like to treat yourself to...I'm very happy to know that your job is by choice now and that you don't really need the extra money just to stay afloat.

 

[br6205]

So I guess you both agree that a 100% straight girl would never have sex with another girl.

I agree

 

[br6205]

I'm so glad you clarified that you keep working in your semi-retirement because you enjoy it and you like that it adds structure to your week and your time off. So many times in the past when you said you were working a particular day or a stretch of time, (in your "retirement") I was cringing for you my friend. So many older people (single gay people or even straight people without children especially) are forced to keep working in their retirements just to make ends meet. Believe me, I see a lot of that in Florida where the demographic of the overall population tends to skew older anyway.

I'm very happy to know that you actually enjoy the work because it plays to your strengths now. (Unlike salesmanship. haha) And I'm thrilled that your employer values you and appreciates the talents and expertise you bring to the table. While I'm sure the extra money is nice and comes in handy for things you'd like to treat yourself to...I'm very happy to know that your job is by choice now and that you don't really need the extra money just to stay afloat.

I agree but some like myself do not have that option due to physical disabilities or illness among other reasons.

 

[mikeyank]

I'm so glad you clarified that you keep working in your semi-retirement because you enjoy it and you like that it adds structure to your week and your time off. So many times in the past when you said you were working a particular day or a stretch of time, (in your "retirement") I was cringing for you my friend. So many older people (single gay people or even straight people without children especially) are forced to keep working in their retirements just to make ends meet. Believe me, I see a lot of that in Florida where the demographic of the overall population tends to skew older anyway.

I'm very happy to know that you actually enjoy the work because it plays to your strengths now. (Unlike salesmanship. haha) And I'm thrilled that your employer values you and appreciates the talents and expertise you bring to the table. While I'm sure the extra money is nice and comes in handy for things you'd like to treat yourself to...I'm very happy to know that your job is by choice now and that you don't really need the extra money just to stay afloat.

Thank you for saying that and it is the case. On my two work days, I often feel like a kid at a “play job”, as I’m not doing it for the money. I like preparing my lunch and getting on the subway like “the adults” who are really working, if that makes any sense.

It reminds me of the line from Bob Dylan’s “My Back Pages”. “I was so much older then. I’m younger than that now”.

 

[br6205]

All the above leads to this, every situation is unique & making generalities is always dangerous. Only things like dying which happens to all of us (although again in unique ways).For every rule there will be exceptions so keep that in mind when you or some one else makes a sweeping statement.

 

[mikeyank]

All the above leads to this, every situation is unique & making generalities is always dangerous. Only things like dying which happens to all of us (although again in unique ways).For every rule there will be exceptions so keep that in mind when you or some one else makes a sweeping statement.

Not sure which sweeping statement you are referring to br. But I fully agree and try to say as often as possible when giving my opinions stuff like “speaking only for myself”. Everyone’s truth is different. And although the saying includes taxes, but for everyone, the only certainty indeed is death.

 

[tampa24]

Thank you for saying that and it is the case. On my two work days, I often feel like a kid at a “play job”, as I’m not doing it for the money. I like preparing my lunch and getting on the subway like “the adults” who are really working, if that makes any sense.

It reminds me of the line from Bob Dylan’s “My Back Pages”. “I was so much older then. I’m younger than that now”.

It makes a lot of sense to me buddy. The feeling that you are still "In the game" and are still just like the other younger adults commuting to work, contributing your labor for the common good, still paying some taxes towards the maintenance of our functioning society, etc. It's a satisfying feeling knowing you are still contributing in the traditional way, and not yet just sitting on the sidelines.

 

[mikeyank]

Thank you Tampa. You are a very kind man and a good friend.

 

[br6205]

Mike I am happy you are in good enough health to keep so active. The worst thing is to do nothing & everyone can and should find things to keep their minds busy. Doing so keeps the mind healthy and at our more advanced ages that insures baring illness not losing your ability to think. It is also important to get up everyday no matter how you feel and that can be difficult at times. That is also true of staying up when aches & pains or even tiredness sets in. I wish all of you a pain free and worry free day, month and year.

 

[br6205]

I have been thinking why the real vintage period in gay history is so relevant to us today. It is the rare young man in his late teens and twenties who thinks about how fleeting his youth nd mortality is. Mind you as with most all things there are a few amongst us who do & so they embrace their youth cherish it and also enjoy it . Who among us are or rather were amongst them & used it wisely. I wasn't were any of you?

So I look back at these young players & wonder did any of them use it wisely and if so how & where are they now. Did any of them keep their attractiveness. Most important to me whom did they share it with & were any of them wise enough or perhaps more correct to say fortunate enough to pass it on to others?

 

[br6205]

Mike you might be interested in the latest posts on my thread of some vintage actors.

 

[mikeyank]

Mike you might be interested in the latest posts on my thread of some vintage actors.

I did check it out br. I’m not sure which you were referencing to me, but I do admire your diligence in posting pics there. Keep up the good work!

 

[br6205]

TY Mike I was refering to Vince Edwards who was born in Brooklyn, New York & the two men who followed. None did any gay porn (boing nude pics is not gay porn ) but had sizeable numbers of gay fans I expect. Also TY for your encouragement. it means a lot to me.