Aiden & Tyler, part 2

[aquarius]

Okay. I watched the whole thing. I wanted to see what all the fuss was about. Everybody knows Tyler shows everything on his face except what he had for breakfast - he's far too neat to ever do anything that unmannerly. When he's having fun, he's really having fun; when he's irritated by someone who's wasting time and being a diva, he let's them know it (see Ace, who stretched a simple scene into a marathon by backing out of everything planned at every turn). With Aiden he is clearly completely comfortable in both scenes! In the first scene, he's having a good time. In the second scene, because he's being asked to do something he's very uncomfortable doing, he's very clearly on edge. Aiden is aware of this. Let me clue you into some "Tyler tones." Notice how they're almost leaning together at the beginning. He doesn't do that often. He usually sits upright and leans forward, his elbows on his upper legs. (Also notice how clued-into Tyler's humor Aiden is - very few Broke Straight Boys models are intelligent enough to get what he's saying. There is a connection there.) Aiden is aware of Tyler's discomfort. They've talked. See him pat Tyler's thigh. Tyler doesn't draw away or slap his hand - he would have done that with a lesser being. Aiden spends a lot of time massaging and rubbing Tyler and Tyler accepts it, uses it to help relax. This is not the ordinary Tyler. But, from the moment he's penetrated, he's in pain - serious pain. Look at his face. It's not the 'lost in the stars' face of Austin/Tyler, this is serious discomfort and he tries his best to make it work. So does Aiden. Watch them work - two pros. Lots of touching from Aiden and then, thinking maybe some of the kissing from the day before might distract him, Aiden draws him in. "Not going there" is not rude, it's not sarcastic, it's just Tyler being Tyler - a statement of "i'm so uncomfortable I'm not going there." And if you're going to make anything else out of it you don't know him. Aiden didn't react sharply to it. He kept right on with the rubbing, the touching, the calming. At the end, they were both still close. There's no animosity between them. Tyler still makes jokes. Aiden smiles. Not a dirty look passes between them. None with David. They're rather pleased with what they accomplished. Aiden did a nice job of fucking Tyler. Tyler, who hates bottoming, took it, it hurt, and he didn't cry out, and he gave one hell of a cum shot. (Which, in itself, says he was trying.)

And, in conclusion, let me impart a little bit of wisdom to those of you who really like Tyler: (a) the Tyler-haters are going to read everything negative into everything he does regardless of the truth, so ignore it; (b) the Tyler-for-sainthood-bunch are going to turn everything into a schoolgirl fantasy (perfect pitch - Jesus, have you heard him sing?) (c) Tyler was so young when he started that older boys seem like big brothers which might account for a little bit of the 'shyness' you complain about with Aiden and (d) in all of your rush to drive in that last nail in his last scene and get in your last dig, you missed one of the most endearingly sweet, romantic and honest things he's ever revealed in a scene.

I'm sorry some of you don't like to hear David talk to his models. It is what made Broke Straight Boys unique. Whether you want to admit it or not, it is what brought you here from X-tube or elsewhere. It's like my old story about the wonderful little mountain town in which I live. For years we had no traffic lights, no speed bumps, no parking problems. Then, because it was so wonderful, it became the fastest growing community in our state. Everybody came here for the perfect lifestyle. The first thing they did when they arrived was to change it. Now, we're like everywhere else.

 

[slimvintage]

As I said, aquarius is a compendium of insider information on Tyler. I've never been thought of before as schoolgirlish, but for a post like this one I'd put my hair in pigtails and let you carry my books.

 

[vicekid]

Here is what I posted under the Love Letter to Tyler:

Originally Posted by vicekid View Post
This video was shot now long after my visit to the Studio last February. Any wave good bye, was to the end of this episode. As I understand it this was the very last video that Tyler did. He is now actively shooting videos for David, mostly College Boy Physicals, and when not doing that he is doing still photography.

David has stated, on numerous occasions that models have a short shelf life. If you look at when Tyler first started, it has lasted almost 3 years, which in this industry is a long time.

Not every model in every video will have a 5 star performance. There are many reasons why they may not. When I did visit with David, he did share with me stories on how sometime two models just totally dislike to can stand each other, yet they may be paired up in a scene. In some cases you would never know (perhaps the money talks louder that the dislike) and sometimes it does. In one specific case that David shared with me, you would never have know how much the two models disliked each other.

So, while it is easy for us to criticize some scenes, we need to remember we don't know the full behind the scene stories that MAY impact the filming.

Live Long and Prosper,

Vicekid
Vicekid brings up some great points.

This comment was from David.

In the one specific case I can say that one of the models was Tyler. Despite the fact the Tyler and this other model did not like nor get along you would know know if from watching this early video of Tyler. In this video, Tyler was not at all thrilled with doing the video and I don't believe it had to do with Tyler bottoming. His first bottom scene with Aiden #2, well Aiden #2 was no slouch in the dick department. Size wise he and Aiden #1 are close. True, Tyler mentioned size as an issue, but I tend to think that is easier to say verse other things. There seemed passion in the first shoot which was not present in the second shoot.

Therefore I tend to believe something happened between Tyler and Aiden to the point that one or another or both had a falling out and they were not on good terms.

As Ray stated in the the models are people too and they have feelings. so before we all get crazy about this scene and every scene we need to always remember that we DON'T know all the behind the scene going on's.

Live Long and Prosper,

Vicekid

 

[aquarius]

And you are very, very wrong. There is no anger in the second shoot. No animosity. They are on very friendly terms. You want to see Tyler angry, go back and look at the Ace shoot.

At the end of that scene there are things between those three that are really quite pleasant, and quite intimate. Sorry your tour of the facilities didn't make you aware of them. It's really very simple: Too many people came into this scene wanting more of the kissing from the first scene; Tyler doesn't kiss when he's uncomfortable and he was very uncomfortable in this scene; Now every conspiracy theorist around wants to read their own take on it. Didn't you know? David and his camera were on the grassy knoll.

 

[Tome]

I reviewed all of Tyler's videos from the first one from the car Show. He looked like he enjoyed them all. He looked like he loved oral. He looked like he enjoyed kissing. It looked like he really enjoyed top and bottom. From the very first video he bottomed with Aiden 1 he actually said he liked it. He really loved bottoming for Dustin. Without a doubt. It is so obvious. The last video with Aiden 2 he did look like he was in a lot of pain. But he obviously was turned on to cum like he did. I think Tyler is most definitely Gay and enjoys all types of Gay sex. You can see it in his eyes. He is in ectasy when he is having sex with a guy.

 

[vicekid]

And you are very, very wrong. There is no anger in the second shoot. No animosity. They are on very friendly terms. You want to see Tyler angry, go back and look at the Ace shoot.

At the end of that scene there are things between those three that are really quite pleasant, and quite intimate. Sorry your tour of the facilities didn't make you aware of them. It's really very simple: Too many people came into this scene wanting more of the kissing from the first scene; Tyler doesn't kiss when he's uncomfortable and he was very uncomfortable in this scene; Now every conspiracy theorist around wants to read their own take on it. Didn't you know? David and his camera were on the grassy knoll.

My Dear Aquarius,

As always I love to hear your points of view. They are always well done. However, I do disagree with a couple of points you made. In double checking what I wrote I never stated anything about anger or animosity in the second shoot. I don't disagree with you that they show "friendly terms", but it was not the same as the first. I hear you in regards to Tyler and kissing. If he was uncomfortable the second time around a logical question is why? And could this why have something to do with what may have happened between the first shoot and this one between the two of them?

In my opinion, I think this is a possibility and hence the all the reaction to this video.

I respect your opinion as I do all others and shares mine for all.

Live Long and Prosper,

Vicekid

P.S. Tome, I agree with you that it looks like Tyler enjoyed them. but David did tell me that one model, in specific, the two of them did not al all get along. But from viewing the video you would never know. When David shared that with me I was totally shocked. I thought here was an example of two models perhaps "clicking". I guess for money you bit your tongue and just go for it.

 

[aquarius]

Therefore I tend to believe something happened between Tyler and Aiden to the point that one or another or both had a falling out and they were not on good terms.

He was uncomfortable because of the pain. He says so several times.

Just so I don't come off like a complete jerk - thought I'd point the quote out to you. I know you must have overlooked it when you replied. The last word is yours.

 

[StudddAndy]

I was totally disappointed in the Tyler and Aiden anal vidio. It is obvious to me that Tyler has been spoiled, and now he doesn't even have to pretend to be responsive to Aiden, who is capable of being the hottest fucking guy that ever was on Broke Straight Boys I was just broken hearted, when I saw that Tyler has turned into a spoiled BABY. At least show the respect to the members that you can ACT some, Tyler. I wish you would pair Aiden again, and this time with someone would cooperate with his sexual overtures.

 

[StudddAndy]

I was totally disappointed in the Tyler and Aiden anal vidio. It is obvious to me that Tyler has been spoiled, and now he doesn't even have to pretend to be responsive to Aiden, who is capable of being the hottest fucking guy that ever was on Broke Straight Boys I was just broken hearted, when I saw that Tyler has turned into a spoiled BABY. At least show the respect to the members that you can ACT some, Tyler. I wish you would pair Aiden again, and this time with someone would cooperate with his sexual overtures.

 

[i2ina69]

I love how in the post's Aiden's name is in RED.

The first vid Was hot.

The second one not so much, but still good.

Thank you so much for bringing Aiden back. I hope we see a lot more of him.

 

[lesit78]

I've always been more or less indifferent to Tyler, although I began liking him more as he got older and more experienced in the scenes. In his earliest scenes, he always seemed completely bored and unexcited, and his usually limp dick confirmed it. But as he became more experienced, he did seem to get more into it although only in very specific occasions. He has some very memorable scenes, especially the one with he and Dustin. You can tell when he's got a connection with someone he cares about and thinks something of (when off the futon).

However, as he has become older he seems to have become hairier and even a bit on the chunky side and probably not one that would normally be in a lot of scenes. Not fat or obese mind you, but definitely out of shape and beginning to "spread out a bit" lol.

To Vice Kid who points out that several times there were models who hated each other, I find that a bit odd. Normally you have to be around someone a lot, and spend a lot of time with them to actually not be able to stand them. From the stuff David has said, most of these guys don't even know each other. How can you hate someone you don't even know? With the exception of a few casual friendships that may have occurred as a result of working in various scenes for D&E Productions, I highly doubt these guys have been working with each other day in and day out in order to "hate" each other, or not being able to stand each other. I think that in reality, the truth of the matter (or non matter) is a lot less dramatic than it was made out to be.

I do think that Tyler and Aiden had magic in their first scene, and absolutely nothing in their last one. But while I like Tyler just fine, I don't think he is as complex as some seem to make him out to be. He seems like a nice guy, who recognizes his shelf life is expired and has made the move to production and staff instead of performing in front of the camera.

While Tyler's great scenes were great, more often I think they were mediocre and his boredom and lack of interest was apparent. And this is not said as an insult to him at all by the way, I have long been told that performing sex on camera is definitely not at all easy. If you're having a bad day and "not feeling it", it is very obvious on camera. Unfortunately the camera is not kind, and is very unflattering at times (which is where editing comes in).

It's my understanding that this is the main reason why certain performers or models are hired again and again by a multitude of other studios out there. If someone is consistent, it's much easier to cast them than it is someone who is unknown (and much more desirable to the viewers). But unfortunately, in the world of porn, we are fed what the makers want to give us...we have very little choice in the matter. To the producers, it's all about who is available and easy to film...not necessarily who we as the viewers most want to see.

Abe

 

[mikeyank]

It's my understanding that this is the main reason why certain performers or models are hired again and again by a multitude of other studios out there. If someone is consistent, it's much easier to cast them than it is someone who is unknown (and much more desirable to the viewers). But unfortunately, in the world of porn, we are fed what the makers want to give us...we have very little choice in the matter. To the producers, it's all about whom is available and easy to film...not necessarily who we as the viewers most want to see.

Abe

Abe, I always read your posts with great interest, as you obviously are an aficionado of porn, and have a great knowledge of many sites, studios and models. You also express great passion in your opinions, which I enjoy reading. Even if I do not agree with the point that you are making, I find you to be an interesting read.

On your point tonight about in the world of porn the producers are more apt to use models who are available and able to perform, more than who the viewers really want to see. I'm sure that your point is valid in main stream gay porn, but I believe that when David was doing things his way, in the heyday of this site, as a fresh and different type of fetish site, things were different.

David used to post long, detailed explanations of how Broke Straight Boys discovered most of the models who have also appeared on other sites, and D&E offered exclusive contracts to some of the "stars" of Broke Straight Boys I also believe that David and Mark paid very close attention to the wishes of the membership, both through the forum, and more importantly through private emails. I believe that they selected very carefully who to have return, based on a variety of factors, but not based on who's available.

While not a member of any other pay site, I've certainly viewed clips here and there of most of them, and I do believe that what David and Eddie and later Tyler did was to create a unique site featuring believable characters. While none of us know the "real life" folks, I was able to get into the fantasy here of knowing Dustin, CJ, Tyler and the rest, along with David, which made for an interesting combination of a reality show' and, porn site. Throw in David's long posts about he and Eddie housing and feeding the models during their trip's to South Florida. I loved everything about it, and hope that Mark can create a site that is attractive to his hard core fans from David's masterpiece era.

 

[raysvq]

It ultimately comes down to the consumer no matter what producer is calling what shots.
If the consumer doesn't buy the product it doesn't matter how well the model performs.

 

[mikeyank]

It ultimately comes down to the consumer no matter what producer is calling what shots.
If the consumer doesn't buy the product it doesn't matter how well the model performs.

That's kind of the old "which came first, the chicken or the egg?" argument. If a producer creates a product involving a model who performs well, ultimately the consumer will want to continue buying the product.

 

[raysvq]

That's kind of the old "which came first, the chicken or the egg?" argument. If a producer creates a product involving a model who performs well, ultimately the consumer will want to continue buying the product.

I will give you a very simple example:-
I purchased a sub in Chaos Men this morning, not because of performing models.
I purchased it purely in order to see Cameron & unless he does more work for them in the future I will let my sub run out & not renew.
In this case it is the model not the performance.

 

[mikeyank]

I will give you a very simple example:-
I purchased a sub in Chaos Men this morning, not because of performing models.
I purchased it purely in order to see Cameron & unless he does more work for them in the future I will let my sub run out & not renew.
In this case it is the model not the performance.

I get you Ray.

Let us know how Cameron is, as he was hot here!!!

 

[raysvq]

I get you Ray.

Let us know how Cameron is, as he was hot here!!!

Cameron is still a spunk even with his crew cut hair.
I would not crawl over him to get to Ms. K.
He must have walked straight out the door of the D&E Studio & in the door of the Chaos Men studio.

 

[lesit78]

Abe, I always read your posts with great interest, as you obviously are an aficionado of porn, and have a great knowledge of many sites, studios and models. You also express great passion in your opinions, which I enjoy reading. Even if I do not agree with the point that you are making, I find you to be an interesting read.

On your point tonight about in the world of porn the producers are more apt to use models who are available and able to perform, more than who the viewers really want to see. I'm sure that your point is valid in main stream gay porn, but I believe that when David was doing things his way, in the heyday of this site, as a fresh and different type of fetish site, things were different.

David used to post long, detailed explanations of how Broke Straight Boys discovered most of the models who have also appeared on other sites, and D&E offered exclusive contracts to some of the "stars" of Broke Straight Boys I also believe that David and Mark paid very close attention to the wishes of the membership, both through the forum, and more importantly through private emails. I believe that they selected very carefully who to have return, based on a variety of factors, but not based on who's available.

While not a member of any other pay site, I've certainly viewed clips here and there of most of them, and I do believe that what David and Eddie and later Tyler did was to create a unique site featuring believable characters. While none of us know the "real life" folks, I was able to get into the fantasy here of knowing Dustin, CJ, Tyler and the rest, along with David, which made for an interesting combination of a reality show' and, porn site. Throw in David's long posts about he and Eddie housing and feeding the models during their trip's to South Florida. I loved everything about it, and hope that Mark can create a site that is attractive to his hard core fans from David's masterpiece era.

I'm referring to the over-use of various models whose "shelf life" had long been expired, yet they continue putting them in scene after scene even though many of us are so tired of a model it makes us sick, yet they still continue putting them in scenes. A good example would be Mike Robbins. Mike, I know that you like Mike and I did too at first, but after awhile he got old not to mention downright boring to me and a couple other members as well.

I guess when I lump Broke Straight Boys in with the other studios that continue using models that are available and easy to cast rather than exciting new models that are much more challenging to recruit, my proof is in the fact that these scenes are filmed a good 6 months and more before they're even viewed on the site!

By the time we are seeing a "new" scene on here, at least 6 months have passed from the time it was even filmed. That's half a year, and in porn years like dog years, a lot of water passes under the bridge in 6 months' time.

This observation was not meant as a slam to the producers of porn, but instead it's the reality of the business is all in my opinion.

Abe

 

[mikeyank]

I'm referring to the over-use of various models whose "shelf life" had long been expired, yet they continue putting them in scene after scene even though many of us are so tired of a model it makes us sick, yet they still continue putting them in scenes. A good example would be Mike Robbins. Mike, I know that you like Mike and I did too at first, but after awhile he got old not to mention downright boring to me and a couple other members as well.

I guess when I lump Broke Straight Boys in with the other studios that continue using models that are available and easy to cast rather than exciting new models that are much more challenging to recruit, my proof is in the fact that these scenes are filmed a good 6 months and more before they're even viewed on the site!

By the time we are seeing a "new" scene on here, at least 6 months have passed from the time it was even filmed. That's half a year, and in porn years like dog years, a lot of water passes under the bridge in 6 months' time.

This observation was not meant as a slam to the producers of porn, but instead it's the reality of the business is all in my opinion.

Abe

I agree with you Abe about the "over use" of models during this "bottom of the barrel" period using up all of the remaining scenes that David filmed. And that includes Mike Robbins, and Diesal and Ashton. You are correct that each has a "shelf life", particularly on a site that's whole point is to introduce straight boys into gay sex. Once they have been introduced, and broken in, their time as "prime time" performers comes to an end. I believe they could be effectively used as an occasional "whatever happened to?" type segment.

Please note that in my post I said:

"I believe that when David was doing things his way, in the heyday of this site, as a fresh and different type of fetish site, things were different."

Something changed, along the way, which has brought us the most recent scenes, which appears to be having the effect of some members defecting.

I'm here for the long run to see what happens with the new look, new models and new production team. I am hopeful that they go back to the basics of "Classic Old School Broke Straight Boys". It will be a challenge for BluMedia to find a director or host who can give the site the same type of reality series feel to it, that David did in the past, with a fresh crop of brand new "wide eyes and innocent" models.

 

[JLipps4u]

Abe,

Thank you for describing what I have long thought and at times said about Tyler. I find Tyler adorable, but I don't see him as one of the better performers on this site. I also noticed the little paunch he was sporting in his last scenes. LOL Guess it happens even to the young guys!

I have been a Broke Straight Boys member since 2006 and also thought that the early years were truly more indicative of what this site has to offer. Over the years, I think that D & E came to lose that edginess that they offered at the beginning. I recently renewed my subscription for a whole year, before realizing that they Broke Straight Boys was ditching D&E and revamping the site. I, for one, am appreciative. Time will tell.