smoore29
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Go back and read some of your responses on this thread JW...
You might not have showed him disrespect personally but some of it could be implied (I hope that's the right word and spelling lol)
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You might not have showed him disrespect personally but some of it could be implied (I hope that's the right word and spelling lol)
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i guess he could have "assumed" or "inferred" some disrespect (two other good words that would fit in the place of implied) but his message was very direct at me, on a completely different subject (personal attack), where as mine was in support of the Broke Straight Boys staff
smoore29
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THANK YOU! Those were the words I was thinking of lol I had a dumb moment, it's like 430 here and I'm supposed to heading out at 9 something, I've been up since 10am but partying has energized me
sorry off topic and yes JW I understand now and like I said I apologize on behalf of Kodaaa.
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like i said, youve shown me no respect so i shall not curse you for tonight! and i know you have kyles back and all but appalogizing for him doesnt help, although it speaks very highly of you and your maturity in realizing what is going on and why i was pissed enough to post it here.
anyhow it is 430am where i am as well, after work i like to play halo or some other video game involving killing and tonight i might have enjoyed it a little too much. i will leave this on a good note having said what i needed to, to be able to sleep. goodnight to all! lets take a brief recess and finish this fight tomorrow morning!
anyhow it is 430am where i am as well, after work i like to play halo or some other video game involving killing and tonight i might have enjoyed it a little too much. i will leave this on a good note having said what i needed to, to be able to sleep. goodnight to all! lets take a brief recess and finish this fight tomorrow morning!
slimvintage
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Usually these exchanges, as the fierceness gradually seeps out of the atmosphere after an upset, are exceptionally hard to take, saccharine and grudging by turns, remorseful and blamey at the same time. Self pity normally abounds, and eked out apologies. But I've got to say you guys are different, two very elegant dudes with language, reflecting your feelings in the best way, and both coming off way chill.
I'm really glad to be in contact with S Moore privately, he's a terrific kid. Also sort of a dick. That's why I get on so well with him.
Glass is just a gem. Talk about heart on your sleeve. In spades.
I'm really glad to be in contact with S Moore privately, he's a terrific kid. Also sort of a dick. That's why I get on so well with him.
Glass is just a gem. Talk about heart on your sleeve. In spades.
I also thought about this last night. How would it look to use both Smoore29 and Kodaaa and give them both stagenames...LOL. When we already know there real names just from them posting, they didn't leave you guys with any fantasy or imagination to get to know them as models. Everyone here got to know them as members.
So how will it look if I hire them as models and change Smoore29 name to Justin and then Kodaaa to Josh, just lets say...I can see it already. Then I get these two on the futon either together or separate. What am I suppose to ask them? We already know there storyline....so what is the big surprise. Both boys shot themselves in the foot by joining this site and posting on the forum and getting ahead of themselves. They did it without any malice and I don't think at the time they both realized what they were doing. Both boys just met here on the site. What makes you think they will get along in person and be able to work. There are many times I place models together and they hate each other....this can be the case with these two boys. What happens when Kodaaa can perform...get his dick hard but Smoore29 can't and I have to cancel the scene and tell the boys, "well boys, you seem to be having issue's performing and since one of you can't get hard, we can't film you so we are going to cancel the scene". Do you think these two boys are going to be friendly to each other?
What happens when they get here thinking that they are going to have fun and they are in the Broke Straight Boys site and wow, they get to meet me (the guy behind the camera) and realize its not all fun and games and we take our business serious when models arrive. I hate to break it...its boot-camp, its business when models arrive. There is a lot of money at stake each week...do you think Eddie and I are going to be "wild and crazy guys" when we easily spend over $15K per work on filming and paying out these boys...HELL NO!!! its work...and if the don't perform...Eddie and I are fuckin asshole pricks and we tell it like it is. We have thrown models out, we have yelled at models, we push the models to there limits when they are here. The good models that can do it are the ones you see coming back...Eddie and I run a tight ship so just on the fact how they have been posting...I can see how its going to turn out and that is why we decided not to hire these two boys.
I wish them luck...I agree, they are hot...let them go to another site...but I do give them advice...apply as models...don't join there site and start becoming active on there forum if they have one...let the members know you as models.
So how will it look if I hire them as models and change Smoore29 name to Justin and then Kodaaa to Josh, just lets say...I can see it already. Then I get these two on the futon either together or separate. What am I suppose to ask them? We already know there storyline....so what is the big surprise. Both boys shot themselves in the foot by joining this site and posting on the forum and getting ahead of themselves. They did it without any malice and I don't think at the time they both realized what they were doing. Both boys just met here on the site. What makes you think they will get along in person and be able to work. There are many times I place models together and they hate each other....this can be the case with these two boys. What happens when Kodaaa can perform...get his dick hard but Smoore29 can't and I have to cancel the scene and tell the boys, "well boys, you seem to be having issue's performing and since one of you can't get hard, we can't film you so we are going to cancel the scene". Do you think these two boys are going to be friendly to each other?
What happens when they get here thinking that they are going to have fun and they are in the Broke Straight Boys site and wow, they get to meet me (the guy behind the camera) and realize its not all fun and games and we take our business serious when models arrive. I hate to break it...its boot-camp, its business when models arrive. There is a lot of money at stake each week...do you think Eddie and I are going to be "wild and crazy guys" when we easily spend over $15K per work on filming and paying out these boys...HELL NO!!! its work...and if the don't perform...Eddie and I are fuckin asshole pricks and we tell it like it is. We have thrown models out, we have yelled at models, we push the models to there limits when they are here. The good models that can do it are the ones you see coming back...Eddie and I run a tight ship so just on the fact how they have been posting...I can see how its going to turn out and that is why we decided not to hire these two boys.
I wish them luck...I agree, they are hot...let them go to another site...but I do give them advice...apply as models...don't join there site and start becoming active on there forum if they have one...let the members know you as models.
slimvintage
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Just in this one case it would have been fascinating to see them in a shoot. Precisely because of all the things you mention. Even if there were erectile problems it would have been fun because they are innately funny guys. Remember Mike and Preston? I think the Steve Moore and Kyle shoots would have more or less gone down in that vein.
But even better because we HAD got to know them. I don't think you twig altogether to what extent that makes your site great, the feeling that your interview actually reveals something about the boys lives. And you've often noticed the curiosity we have about the models, and actually had to shoo us off when we've got too curious, so here would have been two guys we already know a lot about. I'm sorry, but I think they would have been fabulous no matter whether the scene had followed the script or not, just because we have got to know them, and chatted with them and seen them self implode or whatever, get drunk, reveal too much about their proclivities. It would have been watershed. It would have been amazing. Really. Sorry, but it would have been awesome.
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vicekid
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Guys!!!
I go away on vacation for a week and I come back and all hell is breaking loose. Next time I go away I'm going have to have management pause the forum. All this drama......
I have read and re-read this thread. What started off as a very simple and innocent poll, blew up like a super Nova. And it all started with Post #3.
Mark, first let me say I love you to death and what you have done with this site, but I truthfully believe your quote was to harsh,
"Two gay guys together probably isn't going to happen."
Mark
I tend to agree with Smoore when he said it was rude of Mark. Now let me explain why. I see this thread and yes I think Slim has a great idea. So I start reading. I come to Marks thread and bamm, I felt like I was hit with a bat. Granted, that Kodaaa says he now has a BF (three days prior). But he also mentions he's never done anal. This site has had bi-guys who have never done anal and gay guys who have not done anal (aka. brokeMike). As for Smoore he has stated he's straight but curious. Well this site has many that fit this description. So Mark's "Two Gay Guys" was harsh and inappropriate based on the information we already knew. I truly believe if this comment had either not been made or had been said differently this thread would not have exploded.
Granted that neither myself nor any other member of the forum knows about the back of the office going on's as David and Tyler later tell us. And I would venture to say that Mark too may be aware of this, however, since we were not (nor should we be at this point) the comment of Mark's seem wrong.
So Kodaaa has 165 in less than a month. Well Kodie had 1,000 in less than three and 3,000 in less than 6. So Chase3398 whats your point?
David and Tyler I truly appreciate both of you for taking the time to really detail what goes on behind the scenes. I believe David you have explained once before about housing the guys in your home. I totally respect whatever business decision needs to be made. Sometimes what we (the forum) wants doesn't make business sense and we need to just trust your judgement.
Tyler, you're kind of like me, "you tell it as you see it" or as my mom would say, you "call a spade a spade". You'll only be an asshole if you compromise and not speak your mind openly and honestly.
JWglass you made an excellent comment regarding Kodaaa being mature to handle such a life. I did send Kodaaa a Private Message about 2 maybe three weeks ago sorta on that subject. While a PM is just that a PM my theme to him was simple. He has mentioned about wanting to be in pro football and to get into the hi-tech business. I asked Kodaaa if these are true goals for a long term future do you want to be "found out" about doing gay porn? And how it may impact your future? I used runningscorpion (who we wanted to also see make it to the futon) as one example and I used David's story about Giovianni as a second. I knew Kodaaa was young so I just wanted him to look at all the angles long term, even if it meant he changed his mind to not do it. I even told David this. Yes we all wanted to see him on the futon, but we can't always be so selfish, sometimes we need to look at the bigger picture which is what I tried to do. I'm only sorry that Kodaaa never responded back on this.
Further, as to whether anyone on the forum should be allowed to be on the futon two points. We already have several on the forum: tyler, two mikes, a johnny, etc. Does this mean they should not? And if someone is on the forum does that mean they should forever be banned from being on the site? I would hope not. Lets just say we had a member, wierdal. He has been a member who does post. We know he is 22 and he is curious. Is there any reason he could not apply to be a model? If he meets all the requirements (including confidentially of back of the house) is there any reason why wierdal can't be a potential futon performer? I just don't think we should over-react. David's goal is provide us with the best possible talent to produce the best possible product.
Lastly, we (ALL OF US FORUMITES) need to be careful with what we say here. We encouraged Casper, look what happened. We encouraged Kodaaa and Smoore, look what happened. How many times have we said something to upset another member and they leave (Rifle has come and gone, GreatLakes is gone, etc.). Collectively, we sometimes cause the problem so WE need to be careful too with what we say and how we say it.
I feel sorry that we will more than likely not see either Kodaaa or Smoore or both together on the futon. There is blame on all sides for this. I wish both of them well in whatever paths life takes them.
This is Vicekid and these are my opinions,
Live Long and Prosper
Mark, I still love you value you as a friend.
Guys!!!
I go away on vacation for a week and I come back and all hell is breaking loose. Next time I go away I'm going have to have management pause the forum. All this drama......
I have read and re-read this thread. What started off as a very simple and innocent poll, blew up like a super Nova. And it all started with Post #3.
Mark, first let me say I love you to death and what you have done with this site, but I truthfully believe your quote was to harsh,
"Two gay guys together probably isn't going to happen."
Mark
I tend to agree with Smoore when he said it was rude of Mark. Now let me explain why. I see this thread and yes I think Slim has a great idea. So I start reading. I come to Marks thread and bamm, I felt like I was hit with a bat. Granted, that Kodaaa says he now has a BF (three days prior). But he also mentions he's never done anal. This site has had bi-guys who have never done anal and gay guys who have not done anal (aka. brokeMike). As for Smoore he has stated he's straight but curious. Well this site has many that fit this description. So Mark's "Two Gay Guys" was harsh and inappropriate based on the information we already knew. I truly believe if this comment had either not been made or had been said differently this thread would not have exploded.
Granted that neither myself nor any other member of the forum knows about the back of the office going on's as David and Tyler later tell us. And I would venture to say that Mark too may be aware of this, however, since we were not (nor should we be at this point) the comment of Mark's seem wrong.
So Kodaaa has 165 in less than a month. Well Kodie had 1,000 in less than three and 3,000 in less than 6. So Chase3398 whats your point?
David and Tyler I truly appreciate both of you for taking the time to really detail what goes on behind the scenes. I believe David you have explained once before about housing the guys in your home. I totally respect whatever business decision needs to be made. Sometimes what we (the forum) wants doesn't make business sense and we need to just trust your judgement.
Tyler, you're kind of like me, "you tell it as you see it" or as my mom would say, you "call a spade a spade". You'll only be an asshole if you compromise and not speak your mind openly and honestly.
JWglass you made an excellent comment regarding Kodaaa being mature to handle such a life. I did send Kodaaa a Private Message about 2 maybe three weeks ago sorta on that subject. While a PM is just that a PM my theme to him was simple. He has mentioned about wanting to be in pro football and to get into the hi-tech business. I asked Kodaaa if these are true goals for a long term future do you want to be "found out" about doing gay porn? And how it may impact your future? I used runningscorpion (who we wanted to also see make it to the futon) as one example and I used David's story about Giovianni as a second. I knew Kodaaa was young so I just wanted him to look at all the angles long term, even if it meant he changed his mind to not do it. I even told David this. Yes we all wanted to see him on the futon, but we can't always be so selfish, sometimes we need to look at the bigger picture which is what I tried to do. I'm only sorry that Kodaaa never responded back on this.
Further, as to whether anyone on the forum should be allowed to be on the futon two points. We already have several on the forum: tyler, two mikes, a johnny, etc. Does this mean they should not? And if someone is on the forum does that mean they should forever be banned from being on the site? I would hope not. Lets just say we had a member, wierdal. He has been a member who does post. We know he is 22 and he is curious. Is there any reason he could not apply to be a model? If he meets all the requirements (including confidentially of back of the house) is there any reason why wierdal can't be a potential futon performer? I just don't think we should over-react. David's goal is provide us with the best possible talent to produce the best possible product.
Lastly, we (ALL OF US FORUMITES) need to be careful with what we say here. We encouraged Casper, look what happened. We encouraged Kodaaa and Smoore, look what happened. How many times have we said something to upset another member and they leave (Rifle has come and gone, GreatLakes is gone, etc.). Collectively, we sometimes cause the problem so WE need to be careful too with what we say and how we say it.
I feel sorry that we will more than likely not see either Kodaaa or Smoore or both together on the futon. There is blame on all sides for this. I wish both of them well in whatever paths life takes them.
This is Vicekid and these are my opinions,
Live Long and Prosper
Mark, I still love you value you as a friend.
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so since im colorblind blue does that mean i can say whatever i want? jk anyhow as for the models that are on the forum, they only seem to be seasoned models that mark and david and the rest of the Broke Straight Boys managment have gotten to know fairly well, and have a decent personal relationship with. which means they can trust in them. that seems to be their major concern with forumites mixing with models, but i might be mistaken. all of those models are also very mature. i might have missed the whole thing that david mark and tyler were attempting to convey here, if so im sorry! but it just seems logical.
Denny Bear
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Wise words Vicekid, we are all at fault in this one as we have been before.
BrokeStraightBoys
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I guess that might of come out wrong and I'm sorry. I think you are right and we should all be careful with what we say here. I have shot myself in the foot plenty of times.
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I guess there are a few lessons from this thread:
Models need to go through a standard "vetting" process. The organization has procedures in place and they seem to work, or none of us would be here.
Porn is difficult work..... and the boys who do become known to us have a specific talent that not all twinks possess.
And lastly, that Mike and Tyler are loyal friends... that is very nice!!! I think a "special" buddy session should be filmed with these two!!! maybe throw in Logan and Diesal or half a dozen more hahahaha
Anyway, keep up the good work gentlemen.....
Models need to go through a standard "vetting" process. The organization has procedures in place and they seem to work, or none of us would be here.
Porn is difficult work..... and the boys who do become known to us have a specific talent that not all twinks possess.
And lastly, that Mike and Tyler are loyal friends... that is very nice!!! I think a "special" buddy session should be filmed with these two!!! maybe throw in Logan and Diesal or half a dozen more hahahaha
Anyway, keep up the good work gentlemen.....
joeychuck2
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If you listen to what people say about you when you are in the limlight youll be uspet. think of it as an experience and enjoy the good things people say. That goes for here and even at a regular job. When you are good peole talk about you. If you leave you'll have THEM win. Stay and be yourself and YOU win.
The models that post on this forum are "seasoned" exclusive models to our studio. Models like Tyler, both Mikes, and even Diesal (that is suppose to post) is like our kids and this includes Logan. Any model that posts on this forum, is exclusive, has signed all the paperwork and respects our privacy as "pornographers"/ businessmen. The models that post here or privy to certain information about our company that we prefer to keep private and the only reason why they know is because they have been with us for such a long time and we built up our trust together. NOT every model that comes to our studio has that benefit of knowing our business. But when you have a model that you have been working with for several years and we, both the model and I, including Eddie, get to know us...we build a bond with each other.
For Example:
Do you guys realize that Sean/Dr.TopinBotom has been working with our studio for over 5 years now! How crazy is that....this is Sean's 2nd home already and he's like a son to us.
Tyler has been with us for almost 3 years. Not only is or was a model, he now works in our office. Tyler is so intuned with our business that he can run the business when Eddie and I are not there. I'm closer to Tyler then his own parents.
This is just two prime examples of the type of relationships we have with some of our models.
I'm not gonna lie. This isn't even scandalous and/or interesting enough for me to fire back at with a smartass response. It's petty and very high school (ironic? yes.)
And don't talk shit about that reference. I was just in high school four years ago and I know how it is. I was a drama queen, too. And I obviously still have drama queen tendencies (as many of you have seen). You have to learn to pick your fights better and develop a more mature argument in lieu of temper tantrums (or personal attacks) if you expect adults to respect you. End of story.
PS: JW - I commend you on your use of the word "twat". It's one of my favorite words and it was well-deserved for the situation! High five to you.
And don't talk shit about that reference. I was just in high school four years ago and I know how it is. I was a drama queen, too. And I obviously still have drama queen tendencies (as many of you have seen). You have to learn to pick your fights better and develop a more mature argument in lieu of temper tantrums (or personal attacks) if you expect adults to respect you. End of story.
PS: JW - I commend you on your use of the word "twat". It's one of my favorite words and it was well-deserved for the situation! High five to you.
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i know right! twat should be added to the dictionary! i call people twats on a daily basis, and depending on my tone of voice and situation it can either be good or bad
I reserve it for special occasions and road rage!
ScottC
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Yes I also love using the word twat. As for this topic, I don't have a lot to say, so I'll take a paragraph to prove it! It's been my experience that anyone who wants to do something that brings them to the attention of the public (be it modeling, singing, acting, writing, etc), HAS to be ready to accept the slings and arrows of negativity. Whether you think someone is right or not, you have to be mature enough to let it slide off your back. By fighting back and in effect, "taking my toys and going home" people show that they're dilettantes- they want the accolades and attention, but not the work or criticism that goes with the territory.
angelone
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And the moral of this story is: Silence is Golden. Don't throw your pearls before gay men.