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Negative self-talk issues and how you deal with it!

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All too often in one's life, one seems besieged with self-defeating inner dialog that convinces you what has historically appeared to be true is now like a mirage, nonetheless, presently appearing to be untrue or at least unsteady or tenuous. Mostly this happens in interpersonal relationships or assumptions about your own character you hold most valuable. This inner dialog with yourself is a constant we all experience and referred to as "Negative self-talk" or self-doubt, insecurity, paranoia, or fear of loosing something you hold to be precious.

This inner dialog is much like "elevator music" in that you exercise no direct control over something that is always present to a greater or lesser degree. It is much like that song you simply cannot get out of your head. This inner struggle is involuntary with few opportunites to gain some perspective. Perspective is gained through others relating how they deal with this issue. It is not meant to be attention-seeking behavior from those who surround you, yet it often results precisely in undesirable attention-seeking behavior exhibited before others. Mostly, it is an inner struggle not readily shared with others through casual conversations.

This is an aspect of one's routine mental environment that I have dealt with personally from time to time and one I am currently struggling with and at the mercy of. I would whole-heartedly appreciate other's perspectives on this via thoughtful responses on how you effectively deal with your "Negative self-talk" issues.

Sincerely,

Cumrag27, aka Stimpy
 
After 47 viewers and still no replies! What gives!

Certainly there are some good Samaritans out there. I am really just looking for some down to earth suggestions, not some doctorial dissertation.

I really would like to hear from anyone with your suggestions.
 
I remember when I was little there was a TV comedian who did skits revolving around "I shudda sed" situations, in which with a little more time to reflect on a put down he'd suffered, he was able to come up too late with a perfect comeback.

We've all contemplated the glass with water in it at the halfway mark and seen it as either half empty or half full, sometimes depending on our mood or state of mind at the time, or perhaps because of a pessimistic or optimistic character penchant, leading us to be full time half-fullers or half-emptiers.

Then there's remorse. Surely everyone's waked up suddenly before dawn feeling really bad at having gone overboard with criticism of another person, said something thoughtlessly wounding to someone you love, or neglected to say things you should have said while there was a chance, before it was too late.

I used to wish I was taller than I am. I remember the first few days at UNC when the cool guys were finding each other and bonding, exchanging stories and generally sussing each other out as potential friends. I sat down with my tray at a biggish table at Lenoir Hall, the campus cafeteria, where a couple of these guys were getting to know each other. They were recognized by another guy or two and in the end we were 7 or 8 hotties engaged in a 19 y.o. solvetheworld'sproblems conversation at the same time as presenting ourselves as smart, cool, amusing and important. Two guys, destined later for BMOC status, we're vying for my attention in an exhilarating way, each telling me to rush the fraternity where they hoped to pledge, generally letting me know they liked me and doing their best to be irresistibly charming. It was breathless and fast, we all had to get back to orientation, and when the table broke up and we were heading for the door, the nicest guy in the bunch, one of my two suitors, looked down at me (not quite 5'8") and asked me in a puzzled way, glancing around, "what happened to that guy Slim who was sitting at our table?". I looked up at this 6 foot charmer, who had automatically assumed that Slim was too cool to be short (and truly hadn't recognized me as the person he'd just been rapping with) and confessed morosely that I was Slim.

Negative self-talk ensued for about a week. At one point later that Fall a girl told me I was really tall for my height which helped a lot, but I've always remembered that bull session in the cafeteria and the helpless, worried look on that boy's face when he realized he'd lost his potential bestie to a problem of Altitude Challenge.

A lot of people get resigned, to stuff they don't like about themselves, as they get older. I think being gay maybe keeps us more critical and pessimistic about ourselves simply because society, even today, let's us know in ways big and small that we're not as good citizens as we would be if we were straight.

Finally, clinical paranoia is a terrible thing. If you think you might suffer from it you need to see someone. You are a terrific person, funny and erudite, expansive and voluble, way OTT a lot of the time, in a good way. But you might have feelings of unworthiness that only a professional could help you with.

Give him some input guys, the weekend is upon us and you'll have time to offer your thoughts. Love you cumrag.
 
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I just say, what the fuck, it's part of being human. Just deny it's even happening. Denial is cheaper than therapy and easier to schedule.
 
Thank you, Thank you, Thank you!

I remember when I was little there was a TV comedian who did skits revolving around "I shudda sed" situations, in which with a little more time to reflect on a put down he'd suffered, he was able to come up too late with a perfect comeback.

We've all contemplated the glass with water in it at the halfway mark and seen it as either half empty or half full, sometimes depending on our mood or state of mind at the time, or perhaps because of a pessimistic or optimistic character penchant, leading us to be full time half-fullers or half-emptiers.

Then there's remorse. Surely everyone's waked up suddenly before dawn feeling really bad at having gone overboard with criticism of another person, said something thoughtlessly wounding to someone you love, or neglected to say things you should have said while there was a chance, before it was too late.

I used to wish I was taller than I am. I remember the first few days at UNC when the cool guys were finding each other and bonding, exchanging stories and generally sussing each other out as potential friends. I sat down with my tray at a biggish table at Lenoir Hall, the campus cafeteria, where a couple of these guys were getting to know each other. They were recognized by another guy or two and in the end we were 7 or 8 hotties engaged in a 19 y.o. solvetheworld'sproblems conversation at the same time as presenting ourselves as smart, cool, amusing and important. Two guys, destined later for BMOC status, we're vying for my attention in an exhilarating way, each telling me to rush the fraternity where they hoped to pledge, generally letting me know they liked me and doing their best to be irresistibly charming. It was breathless and fast, we all had to get back to orientation, and when the table broke up and we were heading for the door, the nicest guy in the bunch, one of my two suitors, looked down at me (not quite 5'8") and asked me in a puzzled way, glancing around, "what happened to that guy Slim who was sitting at our table?". I looked up at this 6 foot charmer, who had automatically assumed that Slim was too cool to be short (and truly hadn't recognized me as the person he'd just been rapping with) and confessed morosely that I was Slim.

Negative self-talk ensued for about a week. At one point later that Fall a girl told me I was really tall for my height which helped a lot, but I've always remembered that bull session in the cafeteria and the helpless, worried look on that boy's face when he realized he'd lost his potential bestie to a problem of Altitude Challenge.

A lot of people get resigned, to stuff they don't like about themselves, as they get older. I think being gay maybe keeps us more critical and pessimistic about ourselves simply because society, even today, let's us know in ways big and small that we're not as good citizens as we would be if we were straight.

Finally, clinical paranoia is a terrible thing. If you think you might suffer from it you need to see someone. You are a terrific person, funny and erudite, expansive and voluble, way OTT a lot of the time, in a good way. But you might have feelings of unworthiness that only a professional could help you with.

Give him some input guys, the weekend is upon us and you'll have time to offer your thoughts. Love you cumrag.

Dear slimvintage,

As fate would have it, I have gotten up at around 4AM to check this thread. I was greeted with your thoughtful response. This was precisely what I was looking for! I have a need for heartfelt and sincere sharing of one's personal experiences. I want to thank you for all the kind words and clarify that my paranoia is for the most part only rarely experienced but I do see a psychologist for minor tuneups, shall we say. I feel it would be overstated if my paranoia was clinical in nature. I feel my periodic bouts with insecurities can often be viewed as occasionally the slightest bit paranoid, but definitely not in any clinical sense.

Overall, I like to think I am optimistic and a "glass is half-full" type of guy. My humor typically is free-flowing only when I feel at ease and unthreatened. By my nature, I want to believe in people and am an open and accepting kind of guy. When my negative self-talk becomes an issue, I withdraw and my humor is not on tap anymore, or at least much harder to find my comedic voice. I try to avoid being cynical as, most insightfully, my mother expressed to me that..."cynics are people without hope". Being somewhat cynical after graduating from college, her ever-thoughtful characterization cured me of my cynicism and I am grateful for that. I want to believe the best in others. This is tempered with reality as it relates to politics, religion, medical issues, and day-to-day interaction.

As a high school counselor for 36 years, I have been trained to be a good listener which requires placing your trust in the individual you are counseling and wanting to believe in them. I believe people act in ways that they think would be best for them, even if flawed. Being retired for 18 months, I miss this aspect of interaction with others most from my counseling position.

The forum has brought me new a sense of purpose and engagement I was missing since retiring. I so look forward to interchanges with thoughtful and kind people willing to share themself, like you. Due to the nature of my work performed in mostly rural "Conservative" settings in Arkansas, I had no choice to remain closeted throughout my career as a necessary evil of remaining employable in my profession. I so enjoy being open on the forum as it has allowed me to release much pent up emotions. I have always been a liberal in my perspective on life and its many facets. However, I too have a few more "conservative" views intertwined so as to keep things interesting.

Most of the time, negative self-talk is in the fartherst reaches of my mind. Usually it is most noticable when I don't have that interpersonal contact I need. Therefore, it is the occasional bout with my insecurities that this thread is all about. Fortunately, I am not dealing with this all of the time.

In closing, I do want to again say thanks for sharing your thoughts and experiences as your response to my invitation to share one's views. I hope your comments will inspire others on the forum to submit their own take on this topic.

Thank you so much. I feel like I know you much better now. And, I hope we will correspond in the future.

Sincerely,

Cumrag27, aka Stimpy
 
Denial vs. negative self-talk ulcers

I just say, what the fuck, it's part of being human. Just deny it's even happening. Denial is cheaper than therapy and easier to schedule.

Dear Stripe222

Thank you for your tongue-in-cheek solution to this problem. As you get older you want to avoid those occasional health risk and denial, while cheaper in the earlier stages, is positively correlated with increase chances of ulcers and their health risks are no longer cheaper once fully developed!

I am in complete agreement with your first statement when you stated..."I just say, what the fuck, it's part of being human." Truer words were never spoken.

Thank you for taking time out to respond. Hope we can engage in your "no-nonsense banter" in the future!
 
There is enough SAD things going on in this world at this moment in time, so why go on about it. Enjoy the moment and don't get hung up about your hang ups.
 
There is enough SAD things going on in this world at this moment in time, so why go on about it. Enjoy the moment and don't get hung up about your hang ups.

I totally appreciate what you are saying Jon. But, I must point out that, that is a much easier attitude to have at 23, then it is when there are MANY more years and experiences under your belt.
 
I used to be very paranoid, always thinking that people were talking about me and plotting against me behind my back. One day, I shared that paranoia with a friend. He said, "First of all, you need to understand that everybody feels that the rest of the world is talking and plotting. They aren't. They are too worried about what someone else thinks about them. Second, are you so conceited as to think that they have nothing else to think about besides you? Get over it."

And I did. We are all insecure to some degree. You see someone who is very outgoing, and think, man, I wish I could be like him/her. I have found out that quite often, their bravado is a coverup for their insecurities.
 
Thank you for your sensibilites and

I totally appreciate what you are saying Jon. But, I must point out that, that is a much easier attitude to have at 23, then it is when there are MANY more years and experiences under your belt.

Dear Ms. Kianna,

I am mostly back to normal now and am not beseiged with these negative self-talk issues year-around. Fortunately for me, it only is an infrequent and momentary event but, while in its midst, one is completely overwhelmed and feeling powerless. The loss of personal perspective used for evaluating daily events with some degree of objectivity is a typical consequence.

Thank you Ms. K for understanding my situation. Perhaps this will serve as some wakeup call for forum members to become more intuned with their fellow forumites putting out similar distress signals while offering the occasional necessary support to help them get through these moments. After all, we have a common bond in that we are either Gay or gay-friendly. Ask yourself who better to look after fellow gays with their similar personal struggles than us?

Sincerely,

Cumrag27, aka Stimpy
 
I used to be very paranoid, always thinking that people were talking about me and plotting against me behind my back. One day, I shared that paranoia with a friend. He said, "First of all, you need to understand that everybody feels that the rest of the world is talking and plotting. They aren't. They are too worried about what someone else thinks about them. Second, are you so conceited as to think that they have nothing else to think about besides you? Get over it."

And I did. We are all insecure to some degree. You see someone who is very outgoing, and think, man, I wish I could be like him/her. I have found out that quite often, their bravado is a coverup for their insecurities.

Oh Carking you're still here :thumbup1:

Good post man and nowadays I don't give a fuck what people think of me. I'm out at work, out at home and out in the village - thats the local village not the gay one. But I'm not overtly out, and although me and my mates sometimes have a gay 5 minutes in the pub, everyone laughs and thinks we're mad. When we leave I would be daft to think nothing would be not be said but I don't worry about it - I'm just glad I'm still out with my friends.
 
Dear Stripe222

Thank you for your tongue-in-cheek solution to this problem. As you get older you want to avoid those occasional health risk and denial, while cheaper in the earlier stages, is positively correlated with increase chances of ulcers and their health risks are no longer cheaper once fully developed!

I am in complete agreement with your first statement when you stated..."I just say, what the fuck, it's part of being human." Truer words were never spoken.

Thank you for taking time out to respond. Hope we can engage in your "no-nonsense banter" in the future!
Hey, sorry for being a smart-ass, but it comes natural. I'm aware of the things you've spoken of and dealt with them in my life and those of others. Believe it or not, I have a MSW from NYU. That's what originally brought me to NYC to have some of the fun adventures I shared with Mike, especially! I had been living in Seattle and working as a Flight Attendant but was too junior in seniority to control my schedule. The base in NYC was a very junior base and I was #72 out of 450. So I transferred. I could work full time flying Tokyo trips (the work month is based on hours flown) and get my MSW, although it still took 4 years instead of 2. I could also be a total tart on a cart on my time off!
Long story short, I did therapy at the New York City Gay and Lesbian Anti-Violence Project when it was located in the old Gay and Lesbian Community building, I worked at the Institute for Human Identity on the Upper West Side, and after I left NY and came back to Seattle I worked for the Harborview Center for Sexual Assault and Traumatic Stress.
I found that doing therapy drained me at about the same time I discovered gardening, which renewed me! I quit doing therapy and spent 10 years building a garden!
So, Cumrag, I do write things off the cuff and for effect. This is a porn forum! But I hope you'll feel safe to bring whatever issues you have to the forum and your comments and responses are always well thought out and often amusing!
P.S. Please excuse me mentioning geographical vectors in NYC and Brooklyn for MikeYank. We share the soot of the City that never leaves your blood...
 
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I have fully recovered.

Dear friends,

Thankyou for your thoughtful and positive suggestions and I hope others can benefit from these responses as well. Even though I am over it for now, it can come back at anytime for me or anyone. It seems we need some Thread that would deal with various mental health issues in a practical way. I want to offer you these musical clips in tribute to this thread's contributors.

Liza Minnelli - Cabaret - Maybe This Timehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3rkLRJ0m0k

Don't rain on my parade - B. Streisand http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6E2Mooz_LA

Joan Baez - Forever Young http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=favgoOn-U1I

Peter Paul & Mary - Blowin in the wind http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3t4g_1VoGw4


Thank you all,

Cumrag27, aka Stimpy
 
No offense taken

Hey, sorry for being a smart-ass, but it comes natural. I'm aware of the things you've spoken of and dealt with them in my life and those of others. Believe it or not, I have a MSW in Clinical Therapy from NYU. That's what originally brought me to NYC to have some of the fun adventures I shared with Mike, especially! I had been living in Seattle and working as a Flight Attendant but was too junior in seniority to control my schedule. The base in NYC was a very junior base and I was #72 out of 450. So I transferred. I could work full time and get my MSW, although it still took 4 years instead of 2. I could also be a total tart on a cart on my time off!
Long story short, I did therapy at the New York Gay and Lesbian Anti-Violence Project when it was located in the old Gay and Lesbian Community building, I worked at the Institute for Human Identity on the Upper West Side, and after I left NY and came back to Seattle I worked for the Harborview Center for Sexual Assault and Traumatic Stress.
I found that doing therapy drained me at about the same time I discovered gardening, which renewed me! I quit doing therapy and spent 10 years building a garden!
So, Cumrag, I do write things off the cuff and for effect. This is a porn forum! But I hope you'll feel safe to bring whatever issues you have to the forum and your comments and responses are always well thought out and often amusing!
P.S. Please excuse me mentioning geographical vectors in NYC and Brooklyn for MikeYank. We share the soot of the City that never leaves your blood...

Dear Stripe222,

Having worked myself for 36 years as a high school guidance counselor, the one thing I have found out is I cannot counsel myself. There is no true objectivity or genuine perspective when dealing with myself. I find your "tartness" amusing and merely a statement of who you are. How can this offend me?

Your response: "I just say, what the fuck, it's part of being human. Just deny it's even happening. Denial is cheaper than therapy and easier to schedule."

See there, I am not offended to include it in my own post. What I found most suprising with your MSW was that your counseling experiences drained you. However, I am sure your day was more concentrated in actual counseling than I.

Besides actual counseling, I had a plethera of add on responsibilities not directly related to my actual training and ran counter to me establishing adequate rapport with many of my kids I served. Repeatedly telling students No I cannot offer the class you requested because we are full and adding anymore students would be in violation with state standards for the class. That serves as a disincentive for students to return with genuine counseling needs. I spent a great deal of my time organizing schoolwide testing and training other teachers to follow appropriate testing protocol to make the test secure and valid.

People often assume that as Counselor, my day was actually filled with client after client. However, this happened only to a small degree and the rest of my day was consumed with endless non-counseling functions and responsibilities passed down from the principal or the district. I always enjoyed direct counseling as that was my initial incentive to enter this field. But with all of the limitations placed on my role as counselor, my effectiveness was very marginalized amd after 36 years of frustration. I have not regretted retiring one least little bit.

Anyway Stripe222, thanks for taking the time to respond.
 
Negative thoughts

I think negative thoughts are a normal part of life. Perhaps its a self defence mechanism built within our subconcious but most people can control them to not to outwardly affect their lives. How many times do we think something is wrong when all of a sudden we don't hear from a friend...and just find out that they lost their mobile phone, went on holidays, had to look after a sick family member etc. and nothing is wrong with the relationship. Try it....just stop talking to your partner and wait for them to ask what is wrong!

Undie
 
Mr Cum...It is IN NO WAY that I am 'ignoring' your post, but rather taking the time to gather my thoughts, so when I DO post, it can be of the caliber of my other posts, vs having (pardon the expression), "diarrhea of the mouth"! I will post soon
 
I will....

I think negative thoughts are a normal part of life. Perhaps its a self defence mechanism built within our subconcious but most people can control them to not to outwardly affect their lives. How many times do we think something is wrong when all of a sudden we don't hear from a friend...and just find out that they lost their mobile phone, went on holidays, had to look after a sick family member etc. and nothing is wrong with the relationship. Try it....just stop talking to your partner and wait for them to ask what is wrong!

Undie

Dearest Undie,

Almost all people have had failed relationships and whether right or wrong duely deserved or undeserved, they leave having some self-doubt asking themself if they had only done thus-in-such perhaps this wouldn't have taken place after all. Regardless, there is some sense of loss with some residue of guilt added. It seems this inevitably happens regardless of the workability or the degree of nonchallance attributed to either partner. For any relationship to work, and especially one closest to your heart, there has to be commitment on both sides maybe never fully reaching the ideal "equal effort" due to differences in personalities. I like to think their efforts should be nonethess "equitable" and not merely equal. Take the old TV series of the "Odd Couple", for instance.

I was in a 17 year long-term relationship with a straight guy with us living together and being at opposite ends of most any continum you could dream of. He was "Oscar" and I was "Felix", or in the cartoon world He was "Ren" and I was "Stimpy"(a nick name he assigned to me that I actually treasure). He even pointed out that we reminded him of this iconic TV couple, "The Odd Couple". With all of our differences, we reached some workable middle ground living and adjusting incrementally to each other. He was laid back like Oscar and I was uptight, necessarily fussy, and anal retentive like Felix. With him being highly sexual, extremely prolific, and primarily straight, I had to allow for him his "sexual space" which meant he would be having sex regularly with a woman who was married to a gay man. This married couple had a child and agreed to stay together until their daughter completed high school. This woman's gay husband knew fully what was going on between his wife and my bf and he had no objection.

My bf would come home after screwing her and we would hug and kiss for a while, often while standing up in the kitchen. We would get a few beers under our belt playing our ever popular drinking game+ (meaning adding "strip poker" to "quarters") to the overall mix. We would sit at the table telling funny stories with total candor and throw in some "Trivial pursuit" questions on history or music/movie legends and would be laughing till out sides hurt and we could laugh no more. We would have the best of times.

He had an addictive personality so those things he liked he liked to excess. He was into drinking, music, smoking, sex, art, performing on stage and in commedy clubs "Open Mike nights", writing poetry and prose, creating clutter (frequently not so clean and especially in the kitchen when cooking the least little thing meant disaster), and the occasional prescription or illegal drug. I was into cars, cooking, sex, thoughtful and poingnant movies with a dash of porn thrown for flavoring, beautiful furniture and art, living in clutter(much, much cleaner), and occasionally drinking provided I had someone to drink with. I hated smoking most of all and he, after serving as a stand-in for the eternal flame at the Olympics, would attempt to accomodate me to some degree. Frequently, despite the 15 years difference in our ages, we would say to each other we would grow old together, in part to his self-destructive tendencies, and probably share the same room in the nursing home driving the attendants crazy.

I was fixated on oral sex back then and resented the insinuation that "all gay men were universally into anal sex". While this might be the stereotype to the straight world and many in the gay world, I explained to my current therapist that anal sex is not a absolute given, despite people's prejudices and assumptions. I found being limited to my oral fixation most fulfilling at the time. Also, I found kissing my bf, especially below the ear and on the side of his neck to be most satisfying, positively electrifying. The sex was the best I have ever had too. When you are with someone you truly love to the ultimate extent possible, any outward signs are amplified that much more and you lose your sense of perspective.

Together we went through good times and bad times. but together anyway and stronger for it. We suffered a devastating fire in my apartment and we were booked into a local motel for 6 weeks while my apartment was being repaired. I lost practically everything in material terms. The first night and for several week nights thereafter in the motel, each in our own bed, we fell asleep holding hands as if locked telling each other we still loved each other and would always love each other forever. That has not changed today, some 24 years later.

When he married a woman with 3 children 9 years ago in another neighboring state, our constant communication ended over an unfortunate misunderstanding. He lives some 400miles away and although I knew his email address at work, any attempts to contact him by e-mail were ignored, His birthday is October 22nd so I sent him his customary e-mail not really expecting a reply. A week later, he emailed me asking for my phone number. We finally connected and those 9+ years totally vaporized and we took up seamlessly where we were years ago with no changes and no hard feelings. We both expressed our love for each other and hung up being ever hopeful once again. So once again I can truthfully say with no incriminations, self or otherwise, I will survive:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nvej-wEI3NI

All the while being so overwhelmingly thankful and grateful to the core. Hope at last!

I want to thank all the respondants to this thread as an expression of your friendship and expecially humbly thank my friend, Undie, for being so very patient and generously accepting of my occasional irrational behavior as some minor bump in the road. I have survived to live and love another day!
 
I trust in you and I dont feel ignored

Mr Cum...It is IN NO WAY that I am 'ignoring' your post, but rather taking the time to gather my thoughts, so when I DO post, it can be of the caliber of my other posts, vs having (pardon the expression), "diarrhea of the mouth"! I will post soon

Dear SGVBOB,

You are doing exactly what I hoped for. Don't feel pressured, but you give me something to look for. Thanks!

Sincerely,
 
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