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Thanks Ambi for again explaining your feelings. I appreciate that we both look for different aspects of attraction in the models here, and a past history of doing gay porn does not deter your attraction to a Broke Straight Boys model, and of course we all look for guys who turn us on, often differently and Broke Straight Boys needs to incorporate variety to keep a large membership base.

I was wondering though Ambi, which Shane you are referring to as one of your favorites, as I am a huge fan of the original Shane, later named Tank to differentiate from Porn Shane Erickson who came later. My guess based on your other all time favorites would be Shane Erickson and not Tankie, who is just my type, coming across as oh so "believably straight", while Porn Shane told David he was bisexual.
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Mike ~

Shane Erickson did nothing (in fact, less than nothing) for me. A very handsome and attractive guy, to be sure, in many ways. But not at all appealing, to me.

My favourite was "Tank Shane", whom I found QUITE irresistible. Years ago (before Jason brought me back to this site and this board) I even wrote ODES to "Tank Shane", as our "little Confederate soldier" ~ as he has just that sort of facial conformation that one sees, in old Civil War photos, of the day.

Ironically enough (and perhaps Peter can verify this): while Tank Shane seemed, at that time, to be one of the most militantly straight models on the site ~ it seems to me that someone disclosed (on this site) that Tank Shane later came out as being completely gay. I am subject to correction on this point, however.

"A" XOXOXOXOXO

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damn! I picked the wrong time to give up drugs. being clear headed and reading this thread, I see the world too clearly.
a world where reason reigned supreme has been taken over by emotions.
a model signs into the forum, goes to a thread about another model's interview and says the interview was full of lies and a softball questions. then goes on to publish unproven statements made by one of the parties before reaching a legally binding settlement, with a non disclosal clause. to me that is very different from saying when ask, that a model can be rude and difficult sometimes, that he can treat paul in a less than nice way. (I saw that model angrily shove paul during a discussion. that proves nothing other than his is not nice to other models sometimes).
this same model complained that an episode was rated low, because he was paired with a flamboyant model and he does like flamboyant guys. he went on to say this was not the first time he was paired with the wrong model. no one posted that his comments were out of order. he said he didn't mean to be hurtful, he was just being honest.
the signals are mixed. it's ok for Damien to say hateful, honest things about other models, but to say honest things about Damien are beyond the pale.
glad I saved those drugs. I need to get back to a happy place in my head.

Wow! Glad I'm not the only one who saw through their bullshit. you are so right and true!
 
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Betu,

In my lifetime of working in the "ivory tower"; with business-people; and with government: I can honestly say that I am not aware of a single, solitary case, in which "THE RULES" subsist in purest aether. "THE RULES" are always coloured by human sentiment, and affection.

In boardrooms, classrooms, and courtrooms, all over the Western world - people who mess up (in non-felonious ways: no robbery; no assault; no murder): but who yet are loved, and appreciated, are frequently FORGIVEN, and get second chances..

(Look at the case of Mr. William Jefferson Clinton, for example. He messed up, BIG TIME - taking advantage of a junior staff member: and it brought him to the brink of impeachment and disgrace. But he "got off" - in several ways - LOL!!! And is now remembered, by many, as rather a GOOD President: and even as an "elder statesman". I think, quite rightly so: as I think his virtues EXCEEDED his faults.) *He balanced the books, and did many other good things.*)

But. . . the crucial thing for President Clinton was that he was LOVED, by many (though hated, by others) - he had tremendous charm, and. . . a great proportion of the U.S. population simply couldn't BRING THEMSELVES either to hate, or dismiss him, completely. He did some very bad things, but he also did some very GOOD things (perhaps even better ones): and HE WAS LOVED BY MANY, and (consequently) he got away with a LOT ;-)))

So it is, Betu (I think) even with our beloved models. I think our dear Paul (for example) is so cute and beloved, he would have to join a cabal of murderous bank-robbers, or infamous terrorists, before people would stop pleading for HIS return ;-) (And, rightly so.) To a somewhat lesser extent - Damien Kyle also - though Damien Kyle is sometimes rough around the edges, he's beautiful and has a bond with the members (which he's earned!): and people love him, and forgive him, for this reason. (I'm GLAD about it, frankly! This is gay erotic video, not the U.S. Congress, or a Calvinist consistory - thankfully!)

Alas. . . it wasn't so, with poor Jake T. He just hadn't developed that great a following, or wasn't seen as being good-looking enough to warrant forgiveness, or BOTH. (I think you have given your position away, Betu, when you said, "Personally, I didn't think Jake was any greater performer, or had stellar looks." I think that, if you had thought Jake had stellar looks, you might have argued at least a little, on his behalf. . . or searched for a LOOPHOLE, on his behalf ;-)))

In fairness, to Jon, Betu, I absolutely doubt that Jon would agree with MY view of the world - because I think he BELIEVES in the rules: and the things he has said about employees respecting their employers, and so on. I am sure you do, too. On this matter, I agree with Jon in his conclusions, and disagree with you about yours, but - while I agree with the notion of "rules" in general, I would certainly always argue for a little more flexibility. (As my dear Scottish Mother always used to say, "Circumstances alter CASES.")

What I would urge upon you, Betu, is that, in this world, there are people of two casts of MIND - Kantians, and Aristotelians. (I don't know into which class either you or Jon might fall, and I wouldn't presume, to judge.)

But, Kantians believe in the rules for their OWN sake, above all else. As a guarantor of goodness, and righteousness. Aristotelians believe in the telos ~ the GOOD RESULT ~ above all else. (The perverse extremity of this view is sheer Machiavellianism, which takes ALL means to be justified by the ends, but I shouldn't go THAT far, I hope. "A *crosses* himself.)

SOME means - brutal, savage, and wicked ones: ought to be segregated as out-of-bounds, always. BUT - I hardly think poor Jake did anything brutal, savage, or wicked, to any of US. . . he was a poor Broke Straight Boys who tried to please the members, and fudged his resume ~ albeit quite egregiously! ~ to do so. Unluckily for Jake, he didn't have (apparently) the charm, or beauty, to win FORGIVENESS from the members, for his transgressions. As others have done. (And, lest you think I am lamenting that this is a double- or even triple- or quadruple- standard: I really AM NOT. Because this is the standard of life - and such are the machinations of popularity and power, in every moment, in all of our lives, every. . . single. . . day.)

The last thing I will suggest to you, though, Betu, is that I am (in terms of modern, not ancient) philosophy (though the statement that follows is consonant with my understanding, as anachronistic as it might be, of Aristotle, who always saw reason AND passion as inextricably intermingled, not separate) - a real disciple of that greatest of all Scots philosophers, David Hume, who famously declared: "Reason is, and ought only to be, the slave of the passions, and can never pretend to any other office, but to serve and obey them."

Apart from that intermediate "ought to be" (which I would strike, as excessive, and quite possibly UNTRUE - especially if one were a theist): I think Mr. Hume was substantially CORRECT, in his judgement of ordinary affairs. The WILL and the PASSIONS always and inevitably govern people's reading of "the rules": in boardrooms and stockrooms and classrooms and BEDROOMS, everywhere.

I am HAPPY to admit that I am biased, Betu - because I AM - and I make no pretence about it, whatsoever. The models I like, I like - and I love them and defend them, no matter what their transgressions - as long as they are not joining fleets of seagoing pirates, and beheading people in the process. I am happy that Paul was forgiven - because he is a sweetheart. I am happy that Damien Kyle was forgiven - because, despite his rough and tough exterior: he is very cute, and we know there is a good man, inside :)

I submit, if ONLY a few people had loved JAKE that much ~ a loophole would have been found, for HIM.. But he wasn't; and it wasn't, and that's the way that particular story ended.

Just don't be thinking that all of this had to do with some clear and impartial application of immutable Kantian RULES, Betu. (Professor Kant, of course, once said, in a flagrant rip-off of the "Golden rule" - 'Let each of your actions be undertaken as if it could be the model for a UNIVERSAL LAW.') But Kant - noble and rational as he was, was wrong. That isn't the way the world works, and it certainly isn't the way erotic video works. . . Human passion, and preference, and affection, determine it all, right down to the VERY CORE. Right down to the very idea of justice. Even yours. Even mine.

Philosophically yours,
"A" ;-)))))

P.S. And sorry to dump all this on you, Betu, but I am quite passionate about philosophy, and anthropology, and politics - and trying to understand the REAL forces at work in human politics. You may well disagree with me, as may Jon. And, I understand - because I have systematically misrepresented BOTH of you ;-))))

*"Lascia, ch'io pianga" ~ Philippe Jaroussky: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpZ5MskYq7A

This has got to be one of the most confusing and out there replies i have ever seen. here's a quote---Forgive me my nonsense, as I also forgive the nonsense of those that think they talk sense.
Robert Frost

bottom line you can forgive them but would you want to work in an environment like that while trying to run a business? would you even want that person as a friend? i deal with some difficult patients every day but it doesnt mean that they can treat myself or other doctors, nurses, and staff like crap or play mind games with them. you should always strive for a healthy work enviroment and weed out those who are the bad apples in the bunch. The negative impacts of various office environments on health and productivity alone provide a compelling argument for the need to change the way we spend our work days.
 
While I have never met Paul in person, from everything I know about him, I agree he is the real deal, and presents himself to us as the real guy in every form we have encountered him, his films, his BTS, his forum and facebook postings and his videos of himself on you tube, plus reading and hearing directly from forumites who have actually met him in person. In fact, if I were to vote on the number one model ever on Broke Straight Boys, taking all factors into consideration, he would probably get my vote. There are others like Mike Robbins, Tank Shane, Logan, Tyler Evans and Ayden who aroused me more sexually, but Paul is also totally hot and presents himself as an ideal Broke Straight Boys in most every way. :thumbup:

I think paul is one of those playing a role contrary to their real character, with whom contact is dangerous. the biblical interpretation: 'people should be judged not by their outward demeanor but by their works, for many in sheep's clothing do the work of wolves'. his own brother said in his interview that he lies about everything and could never be trusted. that statement alone opened my eyes.
 
jimmy ask me why do they hate me? I told him that people wanted a real straight boy. that he was too real and too straight. he ask me if I thought he would bottom. I said no! no one would pay him $10,000 and I didn't see it happening. to get the big payoff, that something that set him apart had to die.
I am so jealous of you another1, as you got to meet Jimmy and talk to him. I watched all of his BTS from the various pride events that were filmed and was always impressed with how personable he was and how he related to his fans. I believe that he was the most misunderstood of the Broke Straight Boys by so many in the audience. I sure hope he got his $10,000 pay day or even better.

And I sure hope that with all of the "power" that may be vested in us as forumites can convince Mark and the powers that be, (DC) that Paul is golden to us and one of the great all time Broke Straight Boys with a huge fan base. It would be a huge blow to Broke Straight Boys to let Paul go on the "porn tour" that so many of the former models have recently taken.
 
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Mike ~

Shane Erickson did nothing (in fact, less than nothing) for me. A very handsome and attractive guy, to be sure, in many ways. But not at all appealing, to me.

My favourite was "Tank Shane", whom I found QUITE irresistible. Years ago (before Jason brought me back to this site and this board) I even wrote ODES to "Tank Shane", as our "little Confederate soldier" ~ as he has just that sort of facial conformation that one sees, in old Civil War photos, of the day.

Ironically enough (and perhaps Peter can verify this): while Tank Shane seemed, at that time, to be one of the most militantly straight models on the site ~ it seems to me that someone disclosed (on this site) that Tank Shane later came out as being completely gay. I am subject to correction on this point, however.

"A" XOXOXOXOXO

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I couldn't agree with you more Ambi about the attractiveness in beautiful Shane. I recall that either Mark or David posted a picture of Shane on the forum almost immediately after his initial scene was shot and we had to wait to actually watch him in action, and how I related that the word "shane" in Yiddish meant beautiful. Shane pushed all of my buttons from his first still until his last scene on Broke Straight Boys His only scene that I did not enjoy was when he was fucked by Lee I believe. As much as I love and respect David from BSB1, I totally disagreed with his ultimatum's given to both Shane and MikeR that they had to bottom to continue returning to the futon. Both scenes were totally anti-erotic to my taste and unnecessary.

And indeed Ambi, at the end of David's reign at Broke Straight Boys, while Mark still allowed him to post on the forum, before changing his status to "banned", David told us some wonderful recollections and updates on our favorite and not favorite models who had worked for him, and David totally shocked me when he told us that Shane was now either bisexual or totally gay and living with his boyfriend. It surprised me, but I was very happy to learn that Shane found himself after entertaining me so thoroughly on this site.

Shane was one of my top three models ever on Broke Straight Boys and I generally agree in your assessment of Porn Shane, a beautiful young man, but not my idea of a great Broke Straight Boys type at all.
 
I think paul is one of those playing a role contrary to their real character, with whom contact is dangerous. the biblical interpretation: 'people should be judged not by their outward demeanor but by their works, for many in sheep's clothing do the work of wolves'. his own brother said in his interview that he lies about everything and could never be trusted. that statement alone opened my eyes.

I just don't get your beef with Damien and Paul? You act like they did something to you personally! hum???
 
I couldn't agree with you more Ambi about the attractiveness in beautiful Shane. I recall that either Mark or David posted a picture of Shane on the forum almost immediately after his initial scene was shot and we had to wait to actually watch him in action, and how I related that the word "shane" in Yiddish meant beautiful. Shane pushed all of my buttons from his first still until his last scene on Broke Straight Boys His only scene that I did not enjoy was when he was fucked by Lee I believe. As much as I love and respect David from BSB1, I totally disagreed with his ultimatum's given to both Shane and MikeR that they had to bottom to continue returning to the futon. Both scenes were totally anti-erotic to my taste and unnecessary.

And indeed Ambi, at the end of David's reign at Broke Straight Boys, while Mark still allowed him to post on the forum, before changing his status to "banned", David told us some wonderful recollections and updates on our favorite and not favorite models who had worked for him, and David totally shocked me when he told us that Shane was now either bisexual or totally gay and living with his boyfriend. It surprised me, but I was very happy to learn that Shane found himself after entertaining me so thoroughly on this site.

Shane was one of my top three models ever on Broke Straight Boys and I generally agree in your assessment of Porn Shane, a beautiful young man, but not my idea of a great Broke Straight Boys type at all.

Shane is very happy living and being spoiled by Peter in Seattle
 
I think paul is one of those playing a role contrary to their real character, with whom contact is dangerous. the biblical interpretation: 'people should be judged not by their outward demeanor but by their works, for many in sheep's clothing do the work of wolves'. his own brother said in his interview that he lies about everything and could never be trusted. that statement alone opened my eyes.
Now I really don't believe who you say you are. How can a so called Doctor be so full of hate for someone you don't know?
Unless who you really are was hurt bad by Paul and Damien.Your writing is familiar.Just can't figure out who ?
 
This has got to be one of the most confusing and out there replies i have ever seen. here's a quote---Forgive me my nonsense, as I also forgive the nonsense of those that think they talk sense.
Robert Frost

bottom line you can forgive them but would you want to work in an environment like that while trying to run a business? would you even want that person as a friend? i deal with some difficult patients every day but it doesnt mean that they can treat myself or other doctors, nurses, and staff like crap or play mind games with them. you should always strive for a healthy work enviroment and weed out those who are the bad apples in the bunch. The negative impacts of various office environments on health and productivity alone provide a compelling argument for the need to change the way we spend our work days.

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OK, Dr. M.:

I'll boil this down for you:

1.) This is not Harvard, and this is not IBM: it is Broke Straight Boys
2.) As Mark and Sha and Damian Christopher have noted, on occasion, a lot of the models here have had difficult lives, and have a lot of growing-up to do. Thus, they often require a lot of support and encouragement, to get over their hang-ups, and get on with living a better life.
3.) Though my comments emerge from my feelings about Jake - when it comes to other models who have "messed up" in various ways: my inclination is that they ALL be given support and understanding, and helped to get things together, again. So that they can rejoin the site as models in good standing, and find again the friendship and appreciation they deserve, as human beings.
4.) While such forgiveness and support and reconciliation may not always be possible, given the extent or degree of any particular model's misdeeds - I think it is the ideal to which the Broke Straight Boys management, or the management of any like company, ought to aspire.
5.) Because, while many of our models are genuinely nice people, on the inside - they often have fears and worries and problems (financial, family, personal, and psychological) which prevent them from being their best selves. I think it's our duty as members, to help out and be sympathetic, when and how we can, IF we can.
6.) If you watch any interview that Sha does, with any model, he is a perfect exemplar of this kind of empathetic and constructive approach. In Christianity, this is called "mercy", such as Jesus showed; in Judaism, it is called "Tikkun Olam" - the desire to mend and heal the world. In Buddhism, it is called the aspiration to be a Bodhisattva, motivated by human compassion. In ordinary secular human parlance, it is called, "being a decent human being."

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Is that clear and simple and straightforward enough for you, Dr. M? Is it OK with you? Or am I still being too opaque, and hermetic, for your taste? I have tried to be a little clearer, and more direct, this time.

"A" XOXOXOXOXOXO

P.S. I readily admit, sometimes, in the interest of courtesy, I am a little (or more than a little) obscure. But then again, most of my physician-friends are GP's, internists, anesthesiologists, or psychiatrists - they never seem to have any trouble understanding my (admittedly discursive) lines of argument. But then again, I never met a cardiologist, before - if memory serves, and that's your specialty? And perhaps it's foolish to anticipate that a mechanic of the human heart (physically), would ever understand how the human heart (metaphorically) actually works.

P.P.S. Here is a little more Robert Frost for you, dear Dr. M. Since I know you love and revere his work. http://writing.upenn.edu/~afilreis/88/frost-mending.html
 
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I think paul is one of those playing a role contrary to their real character, with whom contact is dangerous. the biblical interpretation: 'people should be judged not by their outward demeanor but by their works, for many in sheep's clothing do the work of wolves'. his own brother said in his interview that he lies about everything and could never be trusted. that statement alone opened my eyes.

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Dear Dr. M. ~

I absolutely, 100 per cent, disagree with your assessment of Mr. Paul Canon.

Paul has been through some awful struggles in his life - and has mostly, emerged intact - and, I think, a little wiser, and happier, too. He was brave enough to share his struggles with us, here on the board, and in painful (even excruciating) detail.

I think, oh eminent physician - you have absolutely misjudged the import of Paul's interview, with his family. Yes, his brothers teased him, and did reflect on the moments in his life when he was less-than-honest with them about his sexual feelings, but. . . COME ON. Paul was young, then, and still figuring out who he WAS. (I suspect, he still is.)

But what is clear from that interview is, that Paul has a deep bond of love with his whole family, and that his parents and his brothers love him deeply - and that he loves them, BACK. I believe that Paul is one of the sweetest and most genuine young men, who has ever appeared on this site. If you go BACK to those BTS interviews, you will note that there isn't a single model who has anything bad to say, about Paul - he is universally loved for his kindness, his good humour, and the way he treats everyone.

Dr. M., when my friend, Dr. J., went to medical school - they had recently introduced a course called "Understanding the Patient". It was all about empathy, compassion, and communication. Based upon your recent remarks, I can only conclude that, either: 1.) They had no such course available in medical school; 2.) You flunked it; or, 3.) You are just a troll, trying to get people's hackles up!

In any event, your harsh words about Paul Canon are cutting no ice, here. He is a good guy, a sweet guy, a lovable guy - and, in Freudian terms, I can only suspect that your harsh words toward him are some form of psychological "projection." In any case, such malice is not lovely, to behold.

You're obviously an intelligent person, and I am perfectly willing to be a friend to you on this board, but - certain civilities and kindnesses do apply here, as in any social circumstance. To be gratuitously cruel first to Johnny from San Francisco; and then to Paul (one of our most beloved models) - strikes me as odd, and discomfiting. And, in baseball, I think those would be considered TWO STRIKES.

Dr. M., as nice as you may be in real life, you are not exactly showing us the nicest side, of yourself. I would only say, for your patients, I hope that you are a marvelous technician, and that they have marvelous GP's, to WHISK them out of the room and take care of them, when you are done with them. Because, sadly, somehow you don't seem to have the "human touch", as my friends Dr. F and Dr. J., consummately do. (But perhaps you're very young, and perhaps you'll learn.)

Last, since you are quoting Scripture to me, on Sunday, let me just remind you about what the great Rabbi Hillel once said, about judgement - "That which is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow: This is the entire Torah - the rest is the explanation. Now, go and learn it."

You have said some very hateful, and absolutely unwarranted things, about Mr. Paul Canon. Paul is not perfect, he has made mistakes, but he is a good person, and is greatly loved by everyone here, for a reason. I gently (gently) call upon you to go back, review the whole canon of Canon, and discover who he REALLY IS, and retract those unpleasant and unwarranted comments - and should you do so, I am sure that forgiveness SHALL be yours.

Otherwise, I (and I am sure, others) will be led to suspect that you are just a troll, and if that's the case, it's just sad. You may think you are the smartest person in the room - and you are doubtless more brilliant than I - but there are dozens of people in here, both more intelligent, more perceptive, and more compassionate, than either you, or I. If you work yourself up into full flight as a troll, you'll get some attention for awhile, for sure, as you ramp up hostilities (the average life-expectancy of a troll, on this or any other site, is about six to eight months): but - eventually - people will tire of the game, and you will fade into obscurity, never to be mentioned, or thought of, again.

"A" :-((((

"Lacrimosa", Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, K. 626 ~ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHB4HkuSXbo
 
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OK, Dr. M.:

I'll boil this down for you:

1.) This is not Harvard, and this is not IBM: it is Broke Straight Boys
[blumedia]
2.) As Mark and Sha and Damian Christopher have noted, on occasion, a lot of the models here have had difficult lives, and have a lot of growing-up to do. Thus, they often require a lot of support and encouragement, to get over their hang-ups, and get on with living a better life. [joying riding, dining and dashing, minor in possession, petty larceny are some of the things young guy can get into.]
3.) Though my comments emerge from my feelings about Jake - when it comes to other models who have "messed up" in various ways: my inclination is that they ALL be given support and understanding, and helped to get things together, again. So that they can rejoin the site as models in good standing, and find again the friendship and appreciation they deserve, as human beings.
[are you legally eligible to work in the United States? a yes will get you the job. a no is problematic. messing up is leaving the ants favorite food on the counter, not lying to the hiring authorities.]
4.) While such forgiveness and support and reconciliation may not always be possible, given the extent or degree of any particular model's misdeeds - I think it is the ideal to which the Broke Straight Boys management, or the management of any like company, ought to aspire.
[this would never happen with me, because I would go fbi on everyone.]
5.) Because, while many of our models are genuinely nice people, on the inside - they often have fears and worries and problems (financial, family, personal, and psychological) which prevent them from being their best selves. I think it's our duty as members, to help out and be sympathetic, when and how we can, IF we can.
[getting a job. paying the bills. feeding the family. for that there is a handful of at-a- boys. lying to the boss to get the job. there is one aw shit. game over!]
6.) If you watch any interview that Sha does, with any model, he is a perfect exemplar of this kind of empathetic and constructive approach. In Christianity, this is called "mercy", such as Jesus showed; in Judaism, it is called "Tikkun Olam" - the desire to mend and heal the world. In Buddhism, it is called the aspiration to be a Bodhisattva, motivated by human compassion. In ordinary secular human parlance, it is called, "being a decent human being."
[I can forgive jake/Zane Tate for lying to mark. I forgive the asshole who almost hit while their were on the phone.]

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Is that clear and simple and straightforward enough for you, Dr. M? Is it OK with you? Or am I still being too opaque, and hermetic, for your taste? I have tried to be a little clearer, and more direct, this time.

"A" XOXOXOXOXOXO

P.S. I readily admit, sometimes, in the interest of courtesy, I am a little (or more than a little) obscure. But then again, most of my physician-friends are GP's, internists, anesthesiologists, or psychiatrists - they never seem to have any trouble understanding my (admittedly discursive) lines of argument. But then again, I never met a cardiologist, before - if memory serves, and that's your specialty? And perhaps it's foolish to anticipate that a mechanic of the human heart (physically), would ever understand how the human heart (metaphorically) actually works.

P.P.S. Here is a little more Robert Frost for you, dear Dr. M. Since I know you love and revere his work. http://writing.upenn.edu/~afilreis/88/frost-mending.html

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Dear Dr. M. ~

I absolutely, 100 per cent, disagree with your assessment of Mr. Paul Canon.

Paul has been through some awful struggles in his life - and has mostly, emerged intact - and, I think, a little wiser, and happier, too. He was brave enough to share his struggles with us, here on the board, and in painful (even excruciating) detail.

I think, oh eminent physician - you have absolutely misjudged the import of Paul's interview, with his family. Yes, his brothers teased him, and did reflect on the moments in his life when he was less-than-honest with them about his sexual feelings, but. . . COME ON. Paul was young, then, and still figuring out who he WAS. (I suspect, he still is.)

But what is clear from that interview is, that Paul has a deep bond of love with his whole family, and that his parents and his brothers love him deeply - and that he loves them, BACK. I believe that Paul is one of the sweetest and most genuine young men, who has ever appeared on this site. If you go BACK to those BTS interviews, you will note that there isn't a single model who has anything bad to say, about Paul - he is universally loved for his kindness, his good humour, and the way he treats everyone.

Dr. M., when my friend, Dr. J., went to medical school - they had recently introduced a course called "Understanding the Patient". It was all about empathy, compassion, and communication. Based upon your recent remarks, I can only conclude that, either: 1.) They had no such course available in medical school; 2.) You flunked it; or, 3.) You are just a troll, trying to get people's hackles up!

In any event, your harsh words about Paul Canon are cutting no ice, here. He is a good guy, a sweet guy, a lovable guy - and, in Freudian terms, I can only suspect that your harsh words toward him are some form of psychological "projection." In any case, such malice is not lovely, to behold.

You're obviously an intelligent person, and I am perfectly willing to be a friend to you on this board, but - certain civilities and kindnesses do apply here, as in any social circumstance. To be gratuitously cruel first to Johnny from San Francisco; and then to Paul (one of our most beloved models) - strikes me as odd, and discomfiting. And, in baseball, I think those would be considered TWO STRIKES.

Dr. M., as nice as you may be in real life, you are not exactly showing us the nicest side, of yourself. I would only say, for your patients, I hope that you are a marvelous technician, and that they have marvelous GP's, to WHISK them out of the room and take care of them, when you are done with them. Because, sadly, somehow you don't seem to have the "human touch", as my friends Dr. F and Dr. J., consummately do. (But perhaps you're very young, and perhaps you'll learn.)

Last, since you are quoting Scripture to me, on Sunday, let me just remind you about what the great Rabbi Hillel once said, about judgement - "That which is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow: This is the entire Torah - the rest is the explanation. Now, go and learn it."

You have said some very hateful, and absolutely unwarranted things, about Mr. Paul Canon. Paul is not perfect, he has made mistakes, but he is a good person, and is greatly loved by everyone here, for a reason. I gently (gently) call upon you to go back, review the whole canon of Canon, and discover who he REALLY IS, and retract those unpleasant and unwarranted comments - and should you do so, I am sure that forgiveness SHALL be yours.

Otherwise, I (and I am sure, others) will be led to suspect that you are just a troll, and if that's the case, it's just sad. You may think you are the smartest person in the room - and you are doubtless more brilliant than I - but there are dozens of people in here, both more intelligent, more perceptive, and more compassionate, than either you, or I. If you work yourself up into full flight as a troll, you'll get some attention for awhile, for sure, as you ramp up hostilities (the average life-expectancy of a troll, on this or any other site, is about six to eight months): but - eventually - people will tire of the game, and you will fade into obscurity, never to be mentioned, or thought of, again.

"A" :-((((

"Lacrimosa", Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, K. 626 ~ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHB4HkuSXbo

my nearly 50 hours with paul leads me to agree with you.
 
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Dear Dr. M. ~

I absolutely, 100 per cent, disagree with your assessment of Mr. Paul Canon.

Paul has been through some awful struggles in his life - and has mostly, emerged intact - and, I think, a little wiser, and happier, too. He was brave enough to share his struggles with us, here on the board, and in painful (even excruciating) detail.

I think, oh eminent physician - you have absolutely misjudged the import of Paul's interview, with his family. Yes, his brothers teased him, and did reflect on the moments in his life when he was less-than-honest with them about his sexual feelings, but. . . COME ON. Paul was young, then, and still figuring out who he WAS. (I suspect, he still is.)

But what is clear from that interview is, that Paul has a deep bond of love with his whole family, and that his parents and his brothers love him deeply - and that he loves them, BACK. I believe that Paul is one of the sweetest and most genuine young men, who has ever appeared on this site. If you go BACK to those BTS interviews, you will note that there isn't a single model who has anything bad to say, about Paul - he is universally loved for his kindness, his good humour, and the way he treats everyone.

Dr. M., when my friend, Dr. J., went to medical school - they had recently introduced a course called "Understanding the Patient". It was all about empathy, compassion, and communication. Based upon your recent remarks, I can only conclude that, either: 1.) They had no such course available in medical school; 2.) You flunked it; or, 3.) You are just a troll, trying to get people's hackles up!

In any event, your harsh words about Paul Canon are cutting no ice, here. He is a good guy, a sweet guy, a lovable guy - and, in Freudian terms, I can only suspect that your harsh words toward him are some form of psychological "projection." In any case, such malice is not lovely, to behold.

You're obviously an intelligent person, and I am perfectly willing to be a friend to you on this board, but - certain civilities and kindnesses do apply here, as in any social circumstance. To be gratuitously cruel first to Johnny from San Francisco; and then to Paul (one of our most beloved models) - strikes me as odd, and discomfiting. And, in baseball, I think those would be considered TWO STRIKES.

Dr. M., as nice as you may be in real life, you are not exactly showing us the nicest side, of yourself. I would only say, for your patients, I hope that you are a marvelous technician, and that they have marvelous GP's, to WHISK them out of the room and take care of them, when you are done with them. Because, sadly, somehow you don't seem to have the "human touch", as my friends Dr. F and Dr. J., consummately do. (But perhaps you're very young, and perhaps you'll learn.)

Last, since you are quoting Scripture to me, on Sunday, let me just remind you about what the great Rabbi Hillel once said, about judgement - "That which is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow: This is the entire Torah - the rest is the explanation. Now, go and learn it."

You have said some very hateful, and absolutely unwarranted things, about Mr. Paul Canon. Paul is not perfect, he has made mistakes, but he is a good person, and is greatly loved by everyone here, for a reason. I gently (gently) call upon you to go back, review the whole canon of Canon, and discover who he REALLY IS, and retract those unpleasant and unwarranted comments - and should you do so, I am sure that forgiveness SHALL be yours.

Otherwise, I (and I am sure, others) will be led to suspect that you are just a troll, and if that's the case, it's just sad. You may think you are the smartest person in the room - and you are doubtless more brilliant than I - but there are dozens of people in here, both more intelligent, more perceptive, and more compassionate, than either you, or I. If you work yourself up into full flight as a troll, you'll get some attention for awhile, for sure, as you ramp up hostilities (the average life-expectancy of a troll, on this or any other site, is about six to eight months): but - eventually - people will tire of the game, and you will fade into obscurity, never to be mentioned, or thought of, again.

"A" :-((((

"Lacrimosa", Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, K. 626 ~ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHB4HkuSXbo

The true members of the site have already sussed this poster out Ambi. He is either someone who has deliberately been sent to upset the karma or he is a former member who was banned for spieling out similar rubbish. The only time I now see his rubbish is when someone quotes him.
 
no one sent me here to start trouble. why do i have to keep saying that? i wouldnt do that even if i was getting paid for it. i have never met paul so i will go with what the mob says and see how it goes. i hope you are all right. either way i was trying to protect us members. if any of you who sent me private messages speak up now. i could use the help. from now on i will speak my mind but i will still feel the way i do. but ill try and be a bit more nicer in my opinions.
 
I think paul is one of those playing a role contrary to their real character, with whom contact is dangerous. the biblical interpretation: 'people should be judged not by their outward demeanor but by their works, for many in sheep's clothing do the work of wolves'. his own brother said in his interview that he lies about everything and could never be trusted. that statement alone opened my eyes.
what does this post mean? does this dangerous contact show it effects after a brief encounter or is a longer encounter required?

no one sent me here to start trouble. why do i have to keep saying that? i wouldnt do that even if i was getting paid for it. i have never met paul so i will go with what the mob says and see how it goes. i hope you are all right. either way i was trying to protect us members. if any of you who sent me private messages speak up now. i could use the help. from now on i will speak my mind but i will still feel the way i do. but ill try and be a bit more nicer in my opinions.
when I am offered protection, I like to know things like the why and the against what. bullshit is waste and covering with chocolate won't make it a sweet treat.
just according to my taste
 
what does this post mean? does this dangerous contact show it effects after a brief encounter or is a longer encounter required?


when I am offered protection, I like to know things like the why and the against what. bullshit is waste and covering with chocolate won't make it a sweet treat.
just according to my taste
I have the same instinctual feeling that the "good doctor" may not be exactly who he says he is, as he has a definite agenda, although I'm not quite sure what he is up to. Come to think of it, we had another forumite with an anti-Paul agenda a few months ago. hmmmmm................

But I have to admit that I can enjoy a good mystery, and being the yenta I am, this could get interesting, "as the forum turns". :sneaky2:
 
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