BTS - Outakes - Getting to know the boys

[louis33705]

First off, by the time you all finish reading this, you may be thinking I've been smoking some of Colorado's finest. I have not, but may do so by the time I am finished writing.

I am one of those cult followers of super heroes since I was a young boy. Saturday matinees at the movies brought us Shazam, Rocket Man, Flash Gordon, Zorro, Tarzan, and so on. Comic books took me to bed every night with the adventures of Superman and Batman. So what does this have to do with the subject at hand? I'll explain.

Superman: I read the comics, saw the 50's TV series with George Reeves, Louis and Clark with Dean Cain, and most recently Smallville with Tom Welling. I have every copy of Superman from the first movie with Christopher Reeve to the Man of Steel. I watched 10 seasons of Smallville from 2001 to 2011 waiting for Clark Kent to finally fly which came at the finale episode. Although I knew how the plot would end, I enjoyed every second of the series. However, that was not the end. We still have the sequel with Superman and Batman to look forward to.r

Batman: Remember when Batman and Robin graced our TV's in the 60's with "Kabam" "Holy Smoke"? When I was in college, the students at the University of Tampa would pour into the Student Union to yell out all the "Holy's" Robin would exclaim during the action. I also have all the copies of all the Batman movies made. The last one of the trilogy was left in a cliff hanger and am so forward to seeing the sequel with Superman.

BTS, Getting to Know the Boys vs Gotham: I watched Gotham last night and was totally turned off. The show dwelt with the years before Batman. I know how the Batman plot ends but that is not the intention of this new show. This series will not show how little Bruce Wayne evolves into Batman.

Now I get back to the BTS. This would have been so much more enjoyable watching right after the original one when the boys were having the measuring contest. They had been introduced to us and we were so much looking forward to seeing where they were going with Broke Straight Boys It is almost as if that particular one was a cliff hanger for what was next. Since then, one has been "outed" in his porn career and another has "come out" to us in a major life change. Those incidents were a "spoiler" as to how the series ended. The saving grace is that a "spin off" continued with Ronan Kennedy.

As I predicted, I just took a hit off my bowl. I am too exhausted to even edit this post so forgive me for any grammar or typos.

Peace,
Louis

 

[DChristopher]

Thanks Jon for the reminder. It was fascinating on many levels. First of all, listening to Jake and Dimitri being interviewed seemed hollow to me, knowing what I now know about both of them. Neither one was telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

The most controversial part has to be what Ian said about Damien Kyle What I find terribly interesting is that Damian Christopher asked the questions, and later edited the scene, so he gave us exactly what he wanted us to see. And it seems like a great storyline for a reality television show.

And indeed even though Paul only had a small part he sure was talked about a lot, in glowing terms. And Blake was a fine interviewer. He and Ian both communicate very well. Too bad there was so little of my cutie, Ronan Kennedy, but I enjoyed this BTS very much.

Hi,

I did not ask the questions in the segment with Ian. Blake was given the camera and asked to document a day in the life at the mansion from his POV and we kept it pretty much unedited. We try to bring you a look into the life of the models that isn't sugar coated. Sometimes that can be tough because you really want to get the viewers to get to know a model, but on video things can be taken out of context and seem unfair or derogatory. In this instance, I can completely see how Ian's comments can be seen as damaging. I was actually surprised to hear Ian say that as he usually doesn't discuss other models or partake in gossip. We realize that not everyone gets along and we will really see more of that in the TV show, but it's still a blunder. Overall, it doesn't excuse what was said in stating his opinion of Damien Kyle. In the TV show you'll see more moments like that and more because it's reality tv and drama is part of any reality show. That still doesn't mean we condone everything that a model says. I talked to Ian and it has been handled.

With Jake and Dimitri, in hindsight, they were both hiding a lot of stuff from us-- as many models have done in the past. We meet the models and usually spend only a few days with them. That's barely enough time to get to know someone. We do get to know them better the more they come back for shoots and that's usually when friendships are made. When the guys get here, they assume new names and alter-egos and it can be confusing for them and even for us.
Damien Kyle is a model I would consider a friend. He is also a very controversial character. A major news network (HUGE) contacted us the other day wanting to interview him. Out of all the models on the site they chose him. That's why I believe this guy will be a star someday because he is such a polarizing character. Damien Kyle is a force to be reckoned with and makes no apologies for who he is. I admire that about him. That's why he is in the show. We don't edit a piece to make someone look good or bad for the BTS or the TV show.

 

[DChristopher]

I think there's a difference between what Ian and Damien did. Damien took personal details about another model and made it public information, in what I can only assume was an effort to color the members' opinion of said model. Ian just said Damien wasn't his favorite person because of the way he sometimes treats people. Also, the issue wasn't brought up by Ian himself; his comments/feelings toward Damien were prompted by DC. These are completely different situations IMHO.

LOL, it wasn't me asking the question in this instance, but you make a very good point. But, it is still a tough thing to hear one model spea ill about another model. We foster a family environment and usually it's smooth sailing. It's going to be interesting when people see the show. You can get a feel from the trailer as there were some tough moments that will keep you on the edge of your seat. It's entertaining.

 

[joninliverton]

I am confused. So are you stating that it is ok to show models having a go at each other within the series but not on BTS ? To me, these BTS outakes seem to be grooming ourselves for the TV show. So if it's appearing in the show, then why should it be a blunder to put in a BTS. Am I missing something here ?

 

[another1]

as this site becomes more model fixated, there is a need to present the models as loving members of a big, happy family. while I buy into all that happy horse shit, I recognize that in any family there are difference and conflict. forumites and members will get the sugar coated version of Broke Straight Boys and tv watchers will see chocolate poured over shit, when shit happens. there is a need to maintain the image of favorite models as godlike, because their fans demand it.
fortunately, banning is the worst punishment possible for saying out loud, there are no Broke Straight Boys gods.

 

[mikeyank]

Hi,

I did not ask the questions in the segment with Ian. Blake was given the camera and asked to document a day in the life at the mansion from his POV and we kept it pretty much unedited. We try to bring you a look into the life of the models that isn't sugar coated. Sometimes that can be tough because you really want to get the viewers to get to know a model, but on video things can be taken out of context and seem unfair or derogatory. In this instance, I can completely see how Ian's comments can be seen as damaging. I was actually surprised to hear Ian say that as he usually doesn't discuss other models or partake in gossip. We realize that not everyone gets along and we will really see more of that in the TV show, but it's still a blunder. Overall, it doesn't excuse what was said in stating his opinion of Damien Kyle. In the TV show you'll see more moments like that and more because it's reality tv and drama is part of any reality show. That still doesn't mean we condone everything that a model says. I talked to Ian and it has been handled.

With Jake and Dimitri, in hindsight, they were both hiding a lot of stuff from us-- as many models have done in the past. We meet the models and usually spend only a few days with them. That's barely enough time to get to know someone. We do get to know them better the more they come back for shoots and that's usually when friendships are made. When the guys get here, they assume new names and alter-egos and it can be confusing for them and even for us.
Damien Kyle is a model I would consider a friend. He is also a very controversial character. A major news network (HUGE) contacted us the other day wanting to interview him. Out of all the models on the site they chose him. That's why I believe this guy will be a star someday because he is such a polarizing character. Damien Kyle is a force to be reckoned with and makes no apologies for who he is. I admire that about him. That's why he is in the show. We don't edit a piece to make someone look good or bad for the BTS or the TV show.

I know that Blake was interviewing Jake and Dimitri sitting at the table, but I thought that was you asking the questions of Ian. I apologize for making that error. However when you say that you don't edit the BTS to make someone look good or bad, that doesn't add up, as before you were directing sex scenes or posting on the forum, we all knew of you as the artistic director of all the artsy BTS with the music playing and the models answering an off camera interviewer, so editing seems to be one of your fields of expertise. Did you not look at the raw footage and listen to what Ian said, before you released this BTS? Isn't that editing? I am still a bit confused.

 

[johnny]

I know that Blake was interviewing Jake and Dimitri sitting at the table, but I thought that was you asking the questions of Ian. I apologize for making that error. However when you say that you don't edit the BTS to make someone look good or bad, that doesn't add up, as before you were directing sex scenes or posting on the forum, we all knew of you as the artistic director of all the artsy BTS with the music playing and the models answering an off camera interviewer, so editing seems to be one of your fields of expertise. Did you not look at the raw footage and listen to what Ian said, before you released this BTS? Isn't that editing? I am still a bit confused.

Nothing against any one But things sure have become confusing for my simple brain since DC seems to have taken over the whole show.
A week ago Damien Kyle was a bad guy. Now he is a star to be reckoned with. Guess I will just have to wait for the TV show.
But I may be to old to enjoy it by the time we see it.

 

[jasonaz]

I know that Blake was interviewing Jake and Dimitri sitting at the table, but I thought that was you asking the questions of Ian. I apologize for making that error. However when you say that you don't edit the BTS to make someone look good or bad, that doesn't add up, as before you were directing sex scenes or posting on the forum, we all knew of you as the artistic director of all the artsy BTS with the music playing and the models answering an off camera interviewer, so editing seems to be one of your fields of expertise. Did you not look at the raw footage and listen to what Ian said, before you released this BTS? Isn't that editing? I am still a bit confused.

Touche' Mikey!, I can hardly wait for the spin doctor's response to that one!
Or will they, as A1 says, "pour chocolate syrup on shit" and see if we take a bite! -J

 

[silvercamel]

What would a TV show be without drama and conflict?

 

[stowe1]

It's as if nothing from management is about this site anymore - just the TV show. You remember the old saying "All roads lead to Rome" well it seems here that the answer from management to any issue about models, their performances, their interactions is "Wait until the TV show". Well given the trailer we have seen, I can't see this TV show being broadcast on any US broadcast network or even basic cable. Maybe a cable network like FX but even that would be a stretch. I'm guessing it would have to be on a paid premium cable network like Showtime or the gay one Here!. Maybe it would have to be a Pay Per View.
The point is that the TV show will be the answer only for those who can get whatever vehicle it ends up on. Or maybe it could find a home on a streaming internet service. In any event, I'd like to see site issues handled as such by management and not put everything on the TV show.

 

[Miami24]

it will be interesting to see how this one gets handled.

 

[PascalBrutal]

Hi Damian,

The more you explain to us your new role with more responsibilities at Broke Straight Boys, the more confused we seem to get.

For instance in these exchanges:

Hi,

I did not ask the questions in the segment with Ian. Blake was given the camera and asked to document a day in the life at the mansion from his POV and we kept it pretty much unedited. (...) In this instance, I can completely see how Ian's comments can be seen as damaging. I was actually surprised to hear Ian say that as he usually doesn't discuss other models or partake in gossip. We realize that not everyone gets along and we will really see more of that in the TV show, but it's still a blunder. Overall, it doesn't excuse what was said in stating his opinion of Damien Kyle. In the TV show you'll see more moments like that and more because it's reality tv and drama is part of any reality show. That still doesn't mean we condone everything that a model says. I talked to Ian and it has been handled.

Hey guys,

Just wanted you to know that we have all new camera equipment (latest HD cameras), and new camera guys, along with changing up a bit how we film scenes. There have been a few things that we had to have fixed since getting the new equipment and trust that we have fixed the anomalies. We shoot anywhere from 3-4 scenes a day and the lens spot was the result of a model shooting some of his cum straight into the camera lens in the shoot before this one. We didn't catch it (you can't see it in the viewfinder) until we got into post. (...)

I gathered that you were brought in initially to course correct the proposed reality series which you did. You then were put in charge of the bts segments because it'd make sense that you'd want to pick and chose from everything that's being filmed, leaving the juiciest for 'TV'.

But when you took over directing the porn from Johnny (such a meteoric rise! It's almost a porn remake of "All about Eve") because he was 'sick', then you seemingly started doing less and less.

Now what's being asked in the bts is not your responsibility, nor is editing them or approving them apparently. You've got cameramen hired so you don't handle the camera during porn shooting (because they're too heavy?) which sounds like a definite break in Broke Straight Boys directing style. You're not on set because no-one is looking out for the equipment (cum in the lens) and I'm not sure you edit the scenes anymore as well ("we got in post").

Sounds to me like Broke Straight Boys is going all Hollywood on us and maybe not for the better.

But I appreciate your taking some time from your busy schedule of not being responsible for anything (per your own words) to come talk to us on the forum.

Hopefully that talk with Ian was productive and he understood he was only supposed to react to the would-be TV series manufactured drama, not the 'real on-set when shooting porn' one... I hope the models are getting a severe pay bump because all that extra acting sure must be hell to get to line up.

When the guys get here, they assume new names and alter-egos and it can be confusing for them and even for us.

And that apparent dichotomy of pretending to be a 'reality porn' site and revealing some time later that things are anything but seems to me to be causing all the heartache. People want "believably straight" and are disappointed when it turns out it's not.

Now unless you start faking everything 24/7 and hire proper screenwriters (or 'producers' as they are called) to map out the series and then the site like they do in 'real' reality series, it's never going to line up ever again, is it? That marketing line sure is a bother...

Damien Kyle is a model I would consider a friend. He is also a very controversial character. A major news network (HUGE) contacted us the other day wanting to interview him. Out of all the models on the site they chose him. That's why I believe this guy will be a star someday because he is such a polarizing character. Damien Kyle is a force to be reckoned with and makes no apologies for who he is. I admire that about him. That's why he is in the show. We don't edit a piece to make someone look good or bad for the BTS or the TV show.

The 'real' TV interview with Damien Kyle could be a potential disaster depending on which day of the week the taping happens. From Damien Kyle's behavior, I assume that all the media training in the world could not make him 100% TV safe for Blue Media, so depending if he feels cooperative that day or if he even feels "bi" or "straight", things could go horribly wrong with TPTB seemingly out to exploit very troubled young men and by extension all gay people portrayed with that same brush stroke.

I certainly hope the "major news network (HUGE)" is not Faux News...

 

[joninliverton]

It's as if nothing from management is about this site anymore - just the TV show. You remember the old saying "All roads lead to Rome" well it seems here that the answer from management to any issue about models, their performances, their interactions is "Wait until the TV show". Well given the trailer we have seen, I can't see this TV show being broadcast on any US broadcast network or even basic cable. Maybe a cable network like FX but even that would be a stretch. I'm guessing it would have to be on a paid premium cable network like Showtime or the gay one Here!. Maybe it would have to be a Pay Per View.
The point is that the TV show will be the answer only for those who can get whatever vehicle it ends up on. Or maybe it could find a home on a streaming internet service. In any event, I'd like to see site issues handled as such by management and not put everything on the TV show.

The constant reference and chat to the TV show is pissing me off. Everything is geared up for the TV show which has already been recorded but is waiting for networks to buy in. Maybe the networks have already had a look and are not impressed ? otherwise it would have been grabbed at the first opportunity.

Furthermore, because of all the TV show, the site is getting ignored. Look at the next 3 updates for example. I am glad I am off to Wales to see some rels who do not have internet.

 

[tampa24]

I think a few of your comments towards Damian Christopher are pretty harsh Pascal. At least this site has a forum where the staff is willing to communicate with us. On other sites the members are just left in the dark about pretty much everything pertaining to the content. And it's not like we're discussing issues of world peace or life and death.

 

[mikeyank]

Indeed the actions and explanations here at Broke Straight Boys do keep getting curioser and curioser ...

 

[PascalBrutal]

I think a few of your comments towards Damian Christopher are pretty harsh Pascal. At least this site has a forum where the staff is willing to communicate with us. On other sites the members are just left in the dark about pretty much everything pertaining to the content. And it's not like we're discussing issues of world peace or life and death.

Indeed Tampa: I only seem to have two speeds, normal or full-on snark. It tends to get me into trouble on the forum.

DC has previously said he was new at social media so maybe those are only growing pains. But to me, he seems to want everything to everybody on here: for example when the 'leaked' trailer contained some insensitive language some felt, he replied that he was certain there wasn't a mean bone in Damien Kyle's body. A few months pass and now we learn that, as a man of mixed heritage, DC bristled when Damien Kyle made those remarks: which is it?

It seems to me DC could have decided to play the role of 'master politician' on the forum, promising exactly what you want to hear at any exact moment while always skirting the blame. A position that seems more and more uncomfortable to hold as time passes.

Maybe TPTB should self-impose a ban on promoting their TV project in their answers and focus on the porn, except when people want to find out more about which stage of 'coming soon but we can't tell you anything' they're at at this particular moment on the dedicated thread?

The snark has not yet fully subsided as you can tell...

 

[johnny]

The thing that really scares me.How long will they keep the Forum going? Before we just become too much of a bother to them.
Just reading and feeling sad this morning.

 

[mikeyank]

The thing that really scares me.How long will they keep the Forum going? Before we just become too much of a bother to them.
Just reading and feeling sad this morning.

I do not think that the forum will be shut down, johnny. While I have disagreed with some of the things that has happened on Broke Straight Boys over the years, I do respect the fact that Mark has always kept the forum going, even during periods of great dissatisfaction by membership, and he has always allowed us to speak our peace, even when it was against him and his business.

There have been many period of turmoil, but the two that stand out in my mind were when David was relieved of his duties of producing the content for the site, and when the bareback scenes began. In both cases, long term members threatened to leave, and in fact some did, but we were never censored from offering our honest, heartfelt opinions. The bareback issue got so contentious that Mark did ask us to limit the discussion to one particular thread, rather than opening new ones over and over, but we were always allowed to say whatever we wanted, as long as it was not defamatory or slanderous, and I appreciate and respect Mark's attitude regarding the forum.

I also believe that it is a good business decision to keep this channel of discussion and camaraderie among members open and free, for I know that I would no longer subscribe to the site without the forum. As former forumite, and good friend, Ms. K famously said, "I came for the porn, but stayed for the forum".

 

[betudidntknow]

The thing that really scares me.How long will they keep the Forum going? Before we just become too much of a bother to them.
Just reading and feeling sad this morning.

Awwww! You better make sure you have an active e-mail account just in case! How will we keep in touch? No, the forum is essentially a "mechanical" function of the site. Granted, it allows management, the models, and members to interact. By the way, the message board, specifically the part of the site advertised as "The ONLY gay website in the world where you can chat with models." would have to change. Staff interacts with members through the forum but, it's not an imperative part of their duties. Think of it as "a convenient vehicle". For all that use it. Rest easy now...my friend.

 

[johnny]

Awwww! You better make sure you have an active e-mail account just in case! How will we keep in touch? No, the forum is essentially a "mechanical" function of the site. Granted, it allows management, the models, and members to interact. By the way, the message board, specifically the part of the site advertised as "The ONLY gay website in the world where you can chat with models." would have to change. Staff interacts with members through the forum but, it's not an imperative part of their duties. Think of it as "a convenient vehicle". For all that use it. Rest easy now...my friend.

I do not think that the forum will be shut down, johnny. While I have disagreed with some of the things that has happened on Broke Straight Boys over the years, I do respect the fact that Mark has always kept the forum going, even during periods of great dissatisfaction by membership, and he has always allowed us to speak our peace, even when it was against him and his business.

There have been many period of turmoil, but the two that stand out in my mind were when David was relieved of his duties of producing the content for the site, and when the bareback scenes began. In both cases, long term members threatened to leave, and in fact some did, but we were never censored from offering our honest, heartfelt opinions. The bareback issue got so contentious that Mark did ask us to limit the discussion to one particular thread, rather than opening new ones over and over, but we were always allowed to say whatever we wanted, as long as it was not defamatory or slanderous, and I appreciate and respect Mark's attitude regarding the forum.

I also believe that it is a good business decision to keep this channel of discussion and camaraderie among members open and free, for I know that I would no longer subscribe to the site without the forum. As former forumite, and good friend, Ms. K famously said, "I came for the porn, but stayed for the forum".

Thanks Guys
As mikes friend Ms.K said I too joined for the porn.But am here now for the Forum. Lately I don't know why anyone would join for the porn.
I guess I have become a little to invested in the Forum. I was one of the people that bitched when Johnny came on the scene.
But I grew to like him. I liked how he talked to us. I understood him. The way he talked. He would answer a question and I was able to understand him.
Now so much talk . But no answer to anything. All we hear is you will see it on the TV show.
But I am paying for now.I hope the TV show comes. But I think they should put a little more thought into what we are seeing now.
I look at the coming scenes and nothing excites me. Just the Forum. Babble, Bitch, just glad you guy's are here.
xoxo johnny