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The long time members of the site show our support in the best way possible for Mark and his company, by subscribing to the site. I have been a continuous member never letting a month lapse since I joined going on six years ago next month. Mark has provided us with a forum, as well as many bonus sites and has increased the number of scenes per week, without raising the subscription cost for that, and I am grateful, and faithfully pay my fee each month. I enjoy the forum that he has provided, and particularly enjoy the freedom he gives us to express our views with minimal censorship. So as a paying member, I love the right that we have to express our thoughts and feelings even when we disagree or question what we are being told.

While I am a loyal long time member, Dr. Miami, you puzzle me. You suddenly burst upon the scene, putting down many of us on the forum for being rude to Damian Christopher who is also a relative newbie to the world of Broke Straight Boys Could you kindly tell us a bit more about your history with the site, how long you've been a member, and how long you've been reading the forum. Quite frankly, there is something about you that does not quite add up in my eyes, Dr. M. You have absolutely no obligation to answer my questions, but I am just putting it out there. We recently had another new poster named Jeffster who also emerged quite suddenly and also was attacking the long term and other opinionated forumites who were questioning management. He was quite rude to us here and after a short while disappeared.

Going back further to when BSB1 ended and some of us were dissatisfied with the early days of BSB2, we had a few new posters with the same attitude as you and jeffster, and again when bareback was introduced, we also had similar never before heard from posters also suddenly appeared here with both barrels firing at once, attacking us. All of this history makes me suspicious as I wonder why you are attacking the most loyal fans that Mark has, as we support him year after year with our discretionary dollars.

thats a fair question to ask. i liked your last post. i have been a member on and off since 2006. I joined a few other sites when i was looking for more variety. not sure how i can prove that except showing you my credit card statements. I left for awhile when i got too busy and joined again to see Logan and Jace's videos. two of my favorites. ive read the forums over the years and decided to chime in when i started seeing some things that werent cool. I guess me posting more often, and over time will reflect if i have any hidden agendas which i dont. I was not aware of the previous suspect posters but i can see how that can be seen as odd. i get that.
i have found that i am a hot head sometimes and dont wish anyone harm. my approach is pretty straightforward and thats just me. Over time maybe we will see eye to eye on things. i have enjoyed the private messages i have been getting and dont think that anyone on here means any harm. my concern is more for the models and what we say about them. free speech is great but degrading some of the performers does a lot to a person. the staff i hope would be able to take it or leave the forum like dc did even though now i feel like we'll be in the dark more now since his departure.
Pascal, i didnt quote the article that said 2 years because i honestly didnt think anyone would really read them. Glad you took a look at them. im on my phone right now but if i can find it again i will post it. but on average it does seem to take a long time to get a show on tv. i think they are proud of it and want the members to be too. you think its being pushed now just wait until this thing gets on tv and whatever station its on starts to promote it. You may be pulling your hair out by then. give them their time in the spotlight. the owner has had to have a tough road getting this made.
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Once again, after reading some of your recent posts, I have to say I hear myself having said many of the same things when I first joined the forum! It's interesting who "Cyclic" these threads can be over a period of time. It's obvious that some members who've been here for a long time, are more interested in the "Soap Opera" nature of the forum than the actual porn on the site itself. As mentioned by the way past producers and people behind the scenes used to communicate many aspects of the "Behind the scenes" goings on, some have grown to feel "entitled" to that information. I also get the sense that a few who befriended David, one of the earlier producers, think that Broke Straight Boys operates like his little (one man show) production, Straight Rent Boys. I've said before, the forum and the site mean different things to different people!

I actually feel bad for Damian Christopher! Trying to provide a little of what the members' seem to be craving (gossip worthy material) by giving a little insight, only to have the greedy mob wanting to tear into him for not bringing them enough juicy dirt!


its just porn. ease up a little bit on the people involved and dont always think they are up to something. the only people up to something are some of the models. lets talk about that.
 
Thanks for those exterior links. I read them like you demanded and I could not find the "2 years is around the norm" quote in either of them. Maybe you read it somewhere else?

Also what I didn't read was that you should keep promoting them aggressively to your captive audience during those two loooong years, at the risk of alienating them (which seems to me is what is happening here). Even when you completely scrap the results of your first production bout (bye bye competition format) and start again from scratch.

I applaud Blue Media for sticking to their guns and plowing through with their idea to take gay porn to a whole new level of exposure but when they tire out the very people who should be their most staunch supporters, you can tell something went wrong in the execution, especially in this day and age of social media.
like i said in my last post. just wait. u know how many billboards, commercials, and club appearances Rupauls Drag Race does to promote their show? any good network will push this like crazy. get ready. i wish them success.
 
I think we are agreeing Peterh! DC is allowing the negativity about Damien Kyle to get out there. He didn't want bad things said about Vadim Black, so Paul & Damien got temporarily banned for insubordination, but apparently it is okay to bad mouth Damien Kyle, as after the editing process, Damian Christopher saw nothing wrong with what Ian said. Things are getting Curiouser and curiouser!, and my belief is that all of this "drama" is being tied into the proposed Broke Straight Boys-TV show.

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Mike,

I do suspect that some of the sanctioned "drama" in the interviews, is being (or was) sanctioned, for the sake of the "Reality TV show." Because such stuff IS needful, to sell a reality TV programme. I hope the models who have been commented about in such circumstances are able to rise above it.

"A" XOXOXOXO
 
As I typed my honest feelings about watching Jake (and Dimitri), I did think about members, particularly you and Ambi who might react negatively to my comments again about Jake. But I was expressing my true honest feeling, that watching Jake comment over and over in this BTS and in others about his "first time" sucking dick, etc., it was very uncomfortable to watch, for as soon as he debuted here, other folks recognized him and told us of his extensive background in gay porn, including being fucked on film before he ever set foot in Colorado.

I cannot recall any other model who debuted here as a supposed straight boy who had actually done as much as he did elsewhere first, and Mark also told us that he lied to them, and so every word he said about being a newbie on this BTS was a total lie, and I could not put it out of my mind watching this.

Yes, Jake is a very hot guy, and a skilled sexual performer, but he totally burned his bridges here, but he can be very successful on other sites, as so many former Broke Straight Boys guys have done and are still doing. I wish Jake all of the success in the world and do not put him down. I just cannot take his words seriously in this series of interviews. Dimitri was doing in this BTS what he has done his whole life, and that is to cover up his true nature, and that is something I can relate to as having been a closeted gay man for so many years myself. But again, it made it difficult to watch his words here, when I know that his conflict was something so much more than thinking about putting another dick in his mouth, and in his case I do believe it was a first for him.

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Hey, Mike ~

I don't hold anything against you for stating your true feelings about Jake. I think it was fair for you, and others, to say that, since Jake wasn't forthcoming about his previous experience on film, it ruined that fantasy, for you.

I think that's unfortunate, because - I (still) think that Jake was a cute, sweet, sexy, and utterly charming model. I also think that, if Jake had been given the opportunity to "'fess-up, about his MESS-up", in a real, candid, way (and tell his real story). . . he might have ended up being one of the most popular and enduring models on Broke Straight Boys But that's in the past, now.

Re: Anya (formerly known as Dmitri) - while not to diminish Jake's struggles in any way. . . I think Anya's were (and are) in a different league. While Jake has had to struggle with working in this industry (perhaps not his first choice) to make a living and support his family - Anya has had to struggle with her very BEING, and being accepted by family, friends, and potential lovers, because of this.

I am with EVERYONE who said that Anya, when she appeared first before us as Dmitri - was one of the cutest and sexiest guys we ever saw on here: and I DON'T think it was shallow or mean of anyone to say so, at that time: lacking the full information we NOW have. What we didn't know, of course, is that Dmitri WAS REALLY Anya, and needed the income and the support of Broke Straight Boys, to realize her true self.

Now that we KNOW who Anya is, and truly feels herself to be - I am glad that people have rallied around her, and are offering her friendship and support. That is (I think) as it should be.

"A" XOXOXOXOXO
 
damn! I picked the wrong time to give up drugs. being clear headed and reading this thread, I see the world too clearly.
a world where reason reigned supreme has been taken over by emotions.
a model signs into the forum, goes to a thread about another model's interview and says the interview was full of lies and a softball questions. then goes on to publish unproven statements made by one of the parties before reaching a legally binding settlement, with a non disclosal clause. to me that is very different from saying when ask, that a model can be rude and difficult sometimes, that he can treat paul in a less than nice way. (I saw that model angrily shove paul during a discussion. that proves nothing other than his is not nice to other models sometimes).
this same model complained that an episode was rated low, because he was paired with a flamboyant model and he does like flamboyant guys. he went on to say this was not the first time he was paired with the wrong model. no one posted that his comments were out of order. he said he didn't mean to be hurtful, he was just being honest.
the signals are mixed. it's ok for Damien to say hateful, honest things about other models, but to say honest things about Damien are beyond the pale.
glad I saved those drugs. I need to get back to a happy place in my head.
 
Now Jon, I know that you and I have our difference of opinion about this topic and that's fine. Personally, I didn't think Jake was any greater performer or had stellar looks! That's just me. But, I've heard you suggest that models who've breached policy, or procedure be terminated (as in the regular work force). What this model did was out right lie to his employers. (Look at what recently happened with Elen D. and her beauty cosmetic sponsor) Broke Straight Boys wrote a narrative based on "blind faith" and taking this model's word. He intentionally lied.
I just see this as him cutting his own throat! Now, granted, he may and still will be employable, just not on this site. Maybe it's your "bias" in this case,? I don't know? I just agree to disagree with you on this one...No big deal.

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Betu,

In my lifetime of working in the "ivory tower"; with business-people; and with government: I can honestly say that I am not aware of a single, solitary case, in which "THE RULES" subsist in purest aether. "THE RULES" are always coloured by human sentiment, and affection.

In boardrooms, classrooms, and courtrooms, all over the Western world - people who mess up (in non-felonious ways: no robbery; no assault; no murder): but who yet are loved, and appreciated, are frequently FORGIVEN, and get second chances..

(Look at the case of Mr. William Jefferson Clinton, for example. He messed up, BIG TIME - taking advantage of a junior staff member: and it brought him to the brink of impeachment and disgrace. But he "got off" - in several ways - LOL!!! And is now remembered, by many, as rather a GOOD President: and even as an "elder statesman". I think, quite rightly so: as I think his virtues EXCEEDED his faults.) *He balanced the books, and did many other good things.*)

But. . . the crucial thing for President Clinton was that he was LOVED, by many (though hated, by others) - he had tremendous charm, and. . . a great proportion of the U.S. population simply couldn't BRING THEMSELVES either to hate, or dismiss him, completely. He did some very bad things, but he also did some very GOOD things (perhaps even better ones): and HE WAS LOVED BY MANY, and (consequently) he got away with a LOT ;-)))

So it is, Betu (I think) even with our beloved models. I think our dear Paul (for example) is so cute and beloved, he would have to join a cabal of murderous bank-robbers, or infamous terrorists, before people would stop pleading for HIS return ;-) (And, rightly so.) To a somewhat lesser extent - Damien Kyle also - though Damien Kyle is sometimes rough around the edges, he's beautiful and has a bond with the members (which he's earned!): and people love him, and forgive him, for this reason. (I'm GLAD about it, frankly! This is gay erotic video, not the U.S. Congress, or a Calvinist consistory - thankfully!)

Alas. . . it wasn't so, with poor Jake T. He just hadn't developed that great a following, or wasn't seen as being good-looking enough to warrant forgiveness, or BOTH. (I think you have given your position away, Betu, when you said, "Personally, I didn't think Jake was any greater performer, or had stellar looks." I think that, if you had thought Jake had stellar looks, you might have argued at least a little, on his behalf. . . or searched for a LOOPHOLE, on his behalf ;-)))

In fairness, to Jon, Betu, I absolutely doubt that Jon would agree with MY view of the world - because I think he BELIEVES in the rules: and the things he has said about employees respecting their employers, and so on. I am sure you do, too. On this matter, I agree with Jon in his conclusions, and disagree with you about yours, but - while I agree with the notion of "rules" in general, I would certainly always argue for a little more flexibility. (As my dear Scottish Mother always used to say, "Circumstances alter CASES.")

What I would urge upon you, Betu, is that, in this world, there are people of two casts of MIND - Kantians, and Aristotelians. (I don't know into which class either you or Jon might fall, and I wouldn't presume, to judge.)

But, Kantians believe in the rules for their OWN sake, above all else. As a guarantor of goodness, and righteousness. Aristotelians believe in the telos ~ the GOOD RESULT ~ above all else. (The perverse extremity of this view is sheer Machiavellianism, which takes ALL means to be justified by the ends, but I shouldn't go THAT far, I hope. "A *crosses* himself.)

SOME means - brutal, savage, and wicked ones: ought to be segregated as out-of-bounds, always. BUT - I hardly think poor Jake did anything brutal, savage, or wicked, to any of US. . . he was a poor Broke Straight Boys who tried to please the members, and fudged his resume ~ albeit quite egregiously! ~ to do so. Unluckily for Jake, he didn't have (apparently) the charm, or beauty, to win FORGIVENESS from the members, for his transgressions. As others have done. (And, lest you think I am lamenting that this is a double- or even triple- or quadruple- standard: I really AM NOT. Because this is the standard of life - and such are the machinations of popularity and power, in every moment, in all of our lives, every. . . single. . . day.)

The last thing I will suggest to you, though, Betu, is that I am (in terms of modern, not ancient) philosophy (though the statement that follows is consonant with my understanding, as anachronistic as it might be, of Aristotle, who always saw reason AND passion as inextricably intermingled, not separate) - a real disciple of that greatest of all Scots philosophers, David Hume, who famously declared: "Reason is, and ought only to be, the slave of the passions, and can never pretend to any other office, but to serve and obey them."

Apart from that intermediate "ought to be" (which I would strike, as excessive, and quite possibly UNTRUE - especially if one were a theist): I think Mr. Hume was substantially CORRECT, in his judgement of ordinary affairs. The WILL and the PASSIONS always and inevitably govern people's reading of "the rules": in boardrooms and stockrooms and classrooms and BEDROOMS, everywhere.

I am HAPPY to admit that I am biased, Betu - because I AM - and I make no pretence about it, whatsoever. The models I like, I like - and I love them and defend them, no matter what their transgressions - as long as they are not joining fleets of seagoing pirates, and beheading people in the process. I am happy that Paul was forgiven - because he is a sweetheart. I am happy that Damien Kyle was forgiven - because, despite his rough and tough exterior: he is very cute, and we know there is a good man, inside :)

I submit, if ONLY a few people had loved JAKE that much ~ a loophole would have been found, for HIM.. But he wasn't; and it wasn't, and that's the way that particular story ended.

Just don't be thinking that all of this had to do with some clear and impartial application of immutable Kantian RULES, Betu. (Professor Kant, of course, once said, in a flagrant rip-off of the "Golden rule" - 'Let each of your actions be undertaken as if it could be the model for a UNIVERSAL LAW.') But Kant - noble and rational as he was, was wrong. That isn't the way the world works, and it certainly isn't the way erotic video works. . . Human passion, and preference, and affection, determine it all, right down to the VERY CORE. Right down to the very idea of justice. Even yours. Even mine.

Philosophically yours,
"A" ;-)))))

P.S. And sorry to dump all this on you, Betu, but I am quite passionate about philosophy, and anthropology, and politics - and trying to understand the REAL forces at work in human politics. You may well disagree with me, as may Jon. And, I understand - because I have systematically misrepresented BOTH of you ;-))))

*"Lascia, ch'io pianga" ~ Philippe Jaroussky: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpZ5MskYq7A
 
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Though I do appreciate your statements here Ambi and, at the end of the day....it's porn! It's (I am sure) a very competitive world for the models who do it! Developing a fan base or popularity is obviously necessary for them to have a successful career. Jake no doubt will always find work. Many people will find him "their taste" in porn. He's already had scenes released on the site: Dallas Reeves, need I say more? It is what it is. I can't say that I was all that invested in him myself. Perhaps, it is MY OWN BIAS? This still doesn't change the fact that, his not being featured as a model on this site since the whole situation, has never caused me any unrest. Models come and go! If I enjoy a model, I will go to the site where they are featured. Can't say that about All models. If saying that you haven't done work before or been with another guy before is what people need to hear? Fine with me. I have no desire nor need to be a fan of every model that comes on the site! Personally, I will always just feel that, if someone does that much work, and feels the need to deny it on camera in front of many fans or would be fans, not to mention the company they are working for, and then have scenes pop up all over the internet with them doing the very things they said they hadn't? Well, to me, and in this case......I just wasn't interested in seeing that model perform with other models who actually may be, trying something new, unsure of themselves and maybe struggling with the world in which they live. That's just me and how I feel. I appreciate all that you have said but, I just don't see it the same as you do. I don't think there is a "fix for everything". Let it stand at; we have a difference of opinion on this matter. It's all good. There a far too many other models that I do enjoy....moving on.....
 
when I watching this video, realize that paul is as real as they come. he remains the guy who caught me attention two years ago. it was in a photo of paul, max, and carter. paul was sitting on tree stump. max and carter were standing. I can see it without looking at it. the paul you read on the forum is the real paul. the paul you see behind the scenes is the real paul. the paul I met was a real person. that gets respect!
 
when I watching this video, realize that paul is as real as they come. he remains the guy who caught me attention two years ago. it was in a photo of paul, max, and carter. paul was sitting on tree stump. max and carter were standing. I can see it without looking at it. the paul you read on the forum is the real paul. the paul you see behind the scenes is the real paul. the paul I met was a real person. that gets respect!
While I have never met Paul in person, from everything I know about him, I agree he is the real deal, and presents himself to us as the real guy in every form we have encountered him, his films, his BTS, his forum and facebook postings and his videos of himself on you tube, plus reading and hearing directly from forumites who have actually met him in person. In fact, if I were to vote on the number one model ever on Broke Straight Boys, taking all factors into consideration, he would probably get my vote. There are others like Mike Robbins, Tank Shane, Logan, Tyler Evans and Ayden who aroused me more sexually, but Paul is also totally hot and presents himself as an ideal Broke Straight Boys in most every way. :thumbup:
 
While I have never met Paul in person, from everything I know about him, I agree he is the real deal, and presents himself to us as the real guy in every form we have encountered him, his films, his BTS, his forum and facebook postings and his videos of himself on you tube, plus reading and hearing directly from forumites who have actually met him in person. In fact, if I were to vote on the number one model ever on Broke Straight Boys, taking all factors into consideration, he would probably get my vote. There are others like Mike Robbins, Tank Shane, Logan, Tyler Evans and Ayden who aroused me more sexually, but Paul is also totally hot and presents himself as an ideal Broke Straight Boys in most every way. :thumbup:

I will second,third, ( whatever ) That...:smiley-love021:
 
What a surprise that johnny agrees about Paul being an ideal Broke Straight Boys!!! :angel:I'm sure many of us are looking forward to a new Paul scene........................soon. :001_tt2:

Paul who? is he a new model? Oh you mean my boy Damien Kyle's side kick!!! lol I also love me some Paul, he's every Parents dream for their 21 yo kid to meet. Glad Damien Kyle found him :up:
 
Though I do appreciate your statements here Ambi and, at the end of the day....it's porn! It's (I am sure) a very competitive world for the models who do it! Developing a fan base or popularity is obviously necessary for them to have a successful career. Jake no doubt will always find work. Many people will find him "their taste" in porn. He's already had scenes released on the site: Dallas Reeves, need I say more? It is what it is. I can't say that I was all that invested in him myself. Perhaps, it is MY OWN BIAS? This still doesn't change the fact that, his not being featured as a model on this site since the whole situation, has never caused me any unrest. Models come and go! If I enjoy a model, I will go to the site where they are featured. Can't say that about All models. If saying that you haven't done work before or been with another guy before is what people need to hear? Fine with me. I have no desire nor need to be a fan of every model that comes on the site! Personally, I will always just feel that, if someone does that much work, and feels the need to deny it on camera in front of many fans or would be fans, not to mention the company they are working for, and then have scenes pop up all over the internet with them doing the very things they said they hadn't? Well, to me, and in this case......I just wasn't interested in seeing that model perform with other models who actually may be, trying something new, unsure of themselves and maybe struggling with the world in which they live. That's just me and how I feel. I appreciate all that you have said but, I just don't see it the same as you do. I don't think there is a "fix for everything". Let it stand at; we have a difference of opinion on this matter. It's all good. There a far too many other models that I do enjoy....moving on.....

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I agree, Betu ~

We do have a significant difference of opinion, on this one.

A lot of people who come to erotic video sites like variety, and LOTS of it. (That is one of the key drivers, in this industry.) That is sort of the "models-come-and-go" school of thought.

My sentiments are a little different. Much like someone who prefers repertory theatre, when great thespians are performing - I exalt (my view of) perfection, over variety. While I have liked or been able to appreciate many models, over the past 30 years, there are only a dozen or so who have really MOVED ME. And I am glad for contexts, and companies, in which I can see those models in many situations, and many SCENES: again and again. (All the others, are superfluous, for me.) I subscribe to this, or any other site, for one or two models at a time, who really capture my fancy - and when a good one leaves: it does matter to me.

As has been thoroughly discussed in other threads, the "fresh, frightened, trepidatious " straight-boy fantasy (and it IS usually JUST that, in this realm, the purest, most transparent, fantasy): is one which I think is fun, and affords a genuine frisson ~ but: it is not a fantasy I would ever pay to indulge in. (I recognize that this IS "Broke Straight Boys", and many people who come here ARE paying for just that fantasy - just as when I subscribe to a "foot-fetish site", I am paying to see NOTHING but cute twinks sucking on, or jacking off onto, each other's bare feet. . . and that, of course, is fair ball.)

*And sometimes, honestly, I think it would be BETTER for me, to subscribe only to sites where a SIMPLE PHYSICAL fetish is on order, rather than a site where it is a standing demand from members that models' psyches and souls and sexual histories, and sexual orientations, conform to a pre-ordained order-form :((((*

However, Betu, before we just 'move on' with the other models you DO enjoy ~ I believe that your entire text has proven my assertion, supra. And that is, because you (and other members) didn't have any particular erotic investment in, or enjoyment of, Jake's performances, it really didn't matter to you, what happened to him. I DID LIKE JAKE, and so I am sad that he is gone, and just because you or others say, "Oh well, there are a lot of other fish in the Broke Straight Boys sea" ~ it isn't going to placate me. Ever.

Yes, it's done. You guys who disliked Jake (or were indifferent to his charms) won: and there is still a great archive here, with Jason and Danny and Tank Shane and Paul, for me to enjoy. But please don't expect those of us who lost this battle, ever to be PLEASED about it. I appreciate your position, even though I vigorously disagree with it: BUT - even when I have LOST the battle, I never give up on the cause ;-)

As I recall, Betu, I didn't bring this subject to the fore, again. (And I know it has already been thoroughly discussed.) But - as and when people do, I will say what I think.

Sero sed serio,
"A".

P.S. You should know, Betu - a Scotsman never forgets. A Scotsman never gives up. A Scotsman never gives up his post. A Scotsman never abandons the cause. EVER. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8AeV8Jbx6M
 
However, Betu, before we just 'move on' with the other models you DO enjoy ~ I believe that your entire text has proven my assertion, supra. And that is, because you (and other members) didn't have any particular erotic investment in, or enjoyment of, Jake's performances, it really didn't matter to you, what happened to him. I DID LIKE JAKE, and so I am sad that he is gone, and just because you or others say, "Oh well, there are a lot of other fish in the Broke Straight Boys sea" ~ it isn't going to placate me. Ever.

Yes, it's done. You guys who disliked Jake (or were indifferent to his charms) won: and there is still a great archive here, with Jason and Danny and Tank Shane and Paul, for me to enjoy. But please don't expect those of us who lost this battle, ever to be PLEASED about it. I appreciate your position, even though I vigorously disagree with it: BUT - even when I have LOST the battle, I never give up on the cause ;-)
Dear Ambi,

Although your post is directed toward Betu, I too have had strong opinions regarding Jake as well, so I wanted to make two points based on your post. First, as you are a fan of models more than of sites, you can check out all of the sites and scenes that we've been told about where Jake appears. Its not like you've really lost him, only on Broke Straight Boys And secondly I hope you do not think that any of our comments on the forum influenced Mark and Damian Christopher in deciding not to invite him back, (as of yet). Mark told us himself that he was lied to and it bothered him, so I feel any forum comments are irrelevant to what Mark decides, but with him appearing on so many sites right now, it probably would be a hard sell to bring him back now as a Broke Straight Boys, but he is a handsome guy with a hot body and I wish him well.
 
I am not a purist, nor I am a supporter of anything goes. I do enjoy the idea of seeing first time on camera straight guys.
I like to open and drink a cold bottled beer. something is lost when the beer gets warm. it is not the same thing drinking a chilled opened beer. cold beer is my first choice. having warm beer is worst than having no beer.
 
Dear Ambi,

Although your post is directed toward Betu, I too have had strong opinions regarding Jake as well, so I wanted to make two points based on your post. First, as you are a fan of models more than of sites, you can check out all of the sites and scenes that we've been told about where Jake appears. Its not like you've really lost him, only on Broke Straight Boys And secondly I hope you do not think that any of our comments on the forum influenced Mark and Damian Christopher in deciding not to invite him back, (as of yet). Mark told us himself that he was lied to and it bothered him, so I feel any forum comments are irrelevant to what Mark decides, but with him appearing on so many sites right now, it probably would be a hard sell to bring him back now as a Broke Straight Boys, but he is a handsome guy with a hot body and I wish him well.

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Hey, Mike ~

The gravamen of my comment in this matter is this:

1.) I DO think that members' response to models does play a slight, but significant, part in the way in which models are received and treated, by management. (Management may advise us, otherwise.) We have had some pretty major "mess-ups" on the part of models here, lately, but due to members' acclaim and love, these "mess-ups" were overcome. And I'm ALL FOR THAT! This is not the State Department, and it is not the United Nations. One rant or moment of excess or indiscretion shouldn't send a model into exile, forever, I think. But I do think members' comments make a difference, however slight, in management's decisions about models to KEEP, and models to LET GO.

2.) No, Jake is not the love of my life, or my "erotic idol", or anything of that sort. If he were, I'd leave this site and subscribe to the ones where he now appears. (Albeit, my funds, as a minor writer for major functionaries, are not unlimited - and so I much prefer when great models stick with the sites I like, as "exclusives".) It is much more economical for me - and I am Scottish, and CHEAP.

3.) I DID think Jake was (potentially) a great model for Broke Straight Boys, and partly because of his own poor judgement in fudging his resume, and members' reaction to that fudging, management decided he was no longer a good fit for the site. And, apparently, not enough members thought he was cute enough to stick UP for, despite his mistakes.

I think that's unfortunate. Because, I have a great deal of respect for this company, and the way they treat their models, and the health-care precautions they employ. And I think, wherever he is working now, Jake would have had a much happier career at Broke Straight Boys, than in the places he is working, now.

4.) I DID (and DO) really wish to point out - because I think this is true - that if a model is well-known, well-liked, and popular enough amongst the membership, he will be forgiven almost anything. I understand this, and appreciate it, because I think it is just human nature, to treat people in this way. I DO believe that, if enough members had liked Jake, and petitioned on his behalf, management would have kept him - because this is the law of commerce. AND LIFE. ;-)

Now it's too late - because (it seems to me) Jake was REALLY BROKE, and REALLY NEEDED the money (maybe straight, maybe bi, but doubtless straighter than a lot of the "straight" guys who appeared on BSB1 - many of whom appeared on other gay or "gay reality" sites, in full homosexual coitus, before they ever showed up here, professing that, "My girlfriend doesn't know I'm doing this. . . " ;-) And so now Jake has gone on to other sites where his personal history and psychology won't be subject to the Spanish Inquisition. Well, good for him, and I think it was a wise choice, on his part.

I will simply be interested to see how many models of his ilk (in terms of beauty, and performance) Broke Straight Boys is able to contract with, subsequently. It is not an urgent issue, for me, because, with Jason, Danny, and Shane (and more recently, Paul): the archives here are very good. I'll hang around for awhile, and see what happens.

Again, I apologize. This matter has been thoroughly discussed, and I didn't mean to raise it yet again. But, I don't believe I did. I was just responding to questions others raised, and as I feel strongly about them, I stated my position. I hope that Broke Straight Boys will be able to recover its former glory, notwithstanding all the turbulence, of late :)

"A" XOXOXOXOXOXOXO

"It was a very good year", Frank Sinatra: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emAe6IClGys
 
Thanks Ambi for again explaining your feelings. I appreciate that we both look for different aspects of attraction in the models here, and a past history of doing gay porn does not deter your attraction to a Broke Straight Boys model, and of course we all look for guys who turn us on, often differently and Broke Straight Boys needs to incorporate variety to keep a large membership base.

I was wondering though Ambi, which Shane you are referring to as one of your favorites, as I am a huge fan of the original Shane, later named Tank to differentiate from Porn Shane Erickson who came later. My guess based on your other all time favorites would be Shane Erickson and not Tankie, who is just my type, coming across as oh so "believably straight", while Porn Shane told David he was bisexual.
 
Jake, Jake, Jake, He is GONE And seems to be doing well on MANY other sites. I am Broke too. Wish they had Broke Not Straight Older guys.
Where in the fuck is Paul ? Just asking, Just saying...Jimmy Johnson has a great ass. So there. . Get your flu shots.
 
Jake, Jake, Jake, He is GONE And seems to be doing well on MANY other sites. I am Broke too. Wish they had Broke Not Straight Older guys.
Where in the fuck is Paul ? Just asking, Just saying...Jimmy Johnson has a great ass. So there. . Get your flu shots.

BNSOG rolls off the tongue. the name needs some work. where is paul?
if the forum has the power to demand a model be fired or restored, then I say, on behalf of the forum give us more paul. if you believe, it will happen. my faith teaches me that before I ask, my answer was on its way.
what I saw of the jimmy scene left me wishing I did not see it. a model once said that after having guy on guy sex, something inside him died. jimmy ask me why do they hate me? I told him that people wanted a real straight boy. that he was too real and too straight. he ask me if I thought he would bottom. I said no! no one would pay him $10,000 and I didn't see it happening. to get the big payoff, that something that set him apart had to die.
 
Jake, Jake, Jake, He is GONE And seems to be doing well on MANY other sites. I am Broke too. Wish they had Broke Not Straight Older guys.
Where in the fuck is Paul ? Just asking, Just saying...Jimmy Johnson has a great ass. So there. . Get your flu shots.
I hope Paul comes back but after all the drama him and Damien Kyle started i wouldnt bet money on it.
 
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