BTS - Outakes - Getting to know the boys

[peterh6308]

Thanks Guys
As mikes friend Ms.K said I too joined for the porn.But am here now for the Forum. Lately I don't know why anyone would join for the porn.
I guess I have become a little to invested in the Forum. I was one of the people that bitched when Johnny came on the scene.
But I grew to like him. I liked how he talked to us. I understood him. The way he talked. He would answer a question and I was able to understand him.
Now so much talk . But no answer to anything. All we hear is you will see it on the TV show.
But I am paying for now.I hope the TV show comes. But I think they should put a little more thought into what we are seeing now.
I look at the coming scenes and nothing excites me. Just the Forum. Babble, Bitch, just glad you guy's are here.
xoxo johnny

I joined for the porn and am staying for the porn. I love the bonus sites we get on HSBoys, ABFT, College Boy Physicals and now College Dudes. The forum is a huge bonus for me as I get to chat with folks who are as fucked up as me!! lol Dysfunctional like a Family.. love you guys and gal!!!

 

[Beth]

I joined for the porn and am staying for the porn. I love the bonus sites we get on HSBoys, ABFT, College Boy Physicals and now College Dudes. The forum is a huge bonus for me as I get to chat with folks who are as fucked up as me!! lol Dysfunctional like a Family.. love you guys and gal!!!

Oh honey, it was only a matter of time until the universe brought us together!

 

[johnny]

I joined for the porn and am staying for the porn. I love the bonus sites we get on HSBoys, ABFT, College Boy Physicals and now College Dudes. The forum is a huge bonus for me as I get to chat with folks who are as fucked up as me!! lol Dysfunctional like a Family.. love you guys and gal!!!

Sorry peterh
I like the bonus sites too. I love College Dudes And there is some real good trash on HSBoys. Just Saying...xoxo Dysfunctional... johnny

 

[DChristopher]

Hi Damian,

The more you explain to us your new role with more responsibilities at Broke Straight Boys, the more confused we seem to get.

For instance in these exchanges:





I gathered that you were brought in initially to course correct the proposed reality series which you did. You then were put in charge of the bts segments because it'd make sense that you'd want to pick and chose from everything that's being filmed, leaving the juiciest for 'TV'.

But when you took over directing the porn from Johnny (such a meteoric rise! It's almost a porn remake of "All about Eve") because he was 'sick', then you seemingly started doing less and less.

Now what's being asked in the bts is not your responsibility, nor is editing them or approving them apparently. You've got cameramen hired so you don't handle the camera during porn shooting (because they're too heavy?) which sounds like a definite break in Broke Straight Boys directing style. You're not on set because no-one is looking out for the equipment (cum in the lens) and I'm not sure you edit the scenes anymore as well ("we got in post").

Sounds to me like Broke Straight Boys is going all Hollywood on us and maybe not for the better.

But I appreciate your taking some time from your busy schedule of not being responsible for anything (per your own words) to come talk to us on the forum.

Hopefully that talk with Ian was productive and he understood he was only supposed to react to the would-be TV series manufactured drama, not the 'real on-set when shooting porn' one... I hope the models are getting a severe pay bump because all that extra acting sure must be hell to get to line up.



And that apparent dichotomy of pretending to be a 'reality porn' site and revealing some time later that things are anything but seems to me to be causing all the heartache. People want "believably straight" and are disappointed when it turns out it's not.

Now unless you start faking everything 24/7 and hire proper screenwriters (or 'producers' as they are called) to map out the series and then the site like they do in 'real' reality series, it's never going to line up ever again, is it? That marketing line sure is a bother...



The 'real' TV interview with Damien Kyle could be a potential disaster depending on which day of the week the taping happens. From Damien Kyle's behavior, I assume that all the media training in the world could not make him 100% TV safe for Blue Media, so depending if he feels cooperative that day or if he even feels "bi" or "straight", things could go horribly wrong with TPTB seemingly out to exploit very troubled young men and by extension all gay people portrayed with that same brush stroke.

I certainly hope the "major news network (HUGE)" is not Faux News...

Hey guys,

Thank you all for taking the time to explain your concerns. It was never my intention to create such a confusing or uncomfortable situation. Initially, I came to the forum to build relationships, let you all know what we were working on, and give you a taste for things to come. I also wanted to get feedback on how we can make the site even better. If it seems confusing, or contradictory, then I apologize for that. I'm not sure what else I could say except that I was reaching out to our audience to better connect with you. If my answers to questions seemed vague or unclear it's simply because we're a corporation. Things change very quickly around here and we have teams in CO, Atlanta, and CA that must chime in before a decision or statement is often made.

I have been pretty open about a few things and I feel that it has led to more speculation. I'm sorry that I wasn't able to help and actually added to your difficulties. I by no means run the show and we all work together as a team to get things done. Any changes are a team effort. Some of the things attributed to me on here I had nothing to do with, lol. Some of our team don't mind posting or getting to know you and many others wish to remain anonymous. If one person can't do something, then there are several others that can step in and make it happen.
In the recent past, members on the forum were left to speculate about what was going on without much interaction with the staff. Somehow things have shifted and now a lot of questions are being asked about things in what can be perceived in a negative manner. You all are very loyal to the product, as we are, and I had hoped to share that with you by getting to know many of you better. I have gotten a lot of private emails from members apologizing for being put in the "hot seat" and that's unfortunate because I loved hearing everyone's feedback and conversing with each of you.

I think the best thing to do in the future is to refrain from posting and try and answer any questions you may have via private messages. Thanks to the members that I got to know better and for the kind words.

As for the TV show, while it is a huge project for us right now and like I've said in the past, we have a separate company that handles all of that and is separate from the site's operation. I would hope that our members would be excited about the show and not be negative about it before giving it a chance. It's something that Mark created and put his whole heart into. It will see the light of day and on television when it is ready.

While I cannot alter what has transpired, I think these steps are crucial to ensure that similar incidents and misunderstandings will not occur in the future.

Thanks for understanding.

DC

 

[louis33705]

Ok, Folks, I finally watched it. It was enjoyable. I have not read all the comments on this thread as that was taking longer than the actual scene. This appears to have been done on the same day Blake visited the house when he filmed the "Big Cock Contest" with the three new models. As for Ian, I did not take offense about his opinion on another model. He was obviously uncomfortable answering the question which gave me an insight as to his good-heartedness. Ian is a good person to have as a friend.

I want to break away from this topic for a minute which is something we all seem to do anyway.

I mentioned the "Big Cock Contest" BTS. In it Jake, Conan and Dimitri were competing to see who had the biggest cock. They struggled to get full erections. What was interesting was that Dimitri could not get an erection, nor did he ever expose himself. My first impression was that he was embarrassed that he was not as endowed as the other two. Now that he has come out as a transgendered, I totally understand. He was not comfortable being compared to as a male. If I had the chance, I would apologize to him for putting him in that position. I have had two personal friends in my life who have gone through this transition. Making the decision and going through the process is difficult enough, but at times the emotional aspects can be devastating. I pray Dimitri is doing well.

 

[joninliverton]

I think the best thing to do in the future is to refrain from posting and try and answer any questions you may have via private messages. Thanks to the members that I got to know better and for the kind words.


DC

Well that's gonna help a lot isn't it. The reason for the forum is for members to discuss things openly so that we all have a chance to see what is going on. If you just answer individual members, then the rest of us will not have a clue what is happening.

I actually like your posts Damien, but after this latest BTS things got a bit confused.

Maybe you should take a leaf out of Sha's book and just post when there is a need.

 

[Miami24]

Well that's gonna help a lot isn't it. The reason for the forum is for members to discuss things openly so that we all have a chance to see what is going on. If you just answer individual members, then the rest of us will not have a clue what is happening.

I actually like your posts Damien, but after this latest BTS things got a bit confused.

Maybe you should take a leaf out of Sha's book and just post when there is a need.

And there hasn't been a need? ive been reading the posts and everyday it was questions about Damien or Paul who totally started this thing themselves but most of you fail to see that. then there were other questions about this or that and he tried to answer them the best he could. we are members not shareholders and what is up with feeling like you are entitled to question someone about how they run their business. do you go to burger king and ask them what their staff is doing or where the burgers are made. no. it's really ridiculous how mean some of you are and have no respect for the people who work hard every day to bring you the forum and the site. ian simply said he didnt care for damien and didnt go into details. get over it. the other two totally went off on Vadim Black and revealed some personal things. thats the difference! duh! now you have gone and screwed it up for everyone else who was starting to get a good feel for some of the things going on. the forum is here for us to interact with each other and give feedback in a respectful and dignified way. your responses are demeaning when all this staff member did was try to clear things up. i know there was a reason i never went on the forums and this proves my point. i knew it was going to come to this. u all need to take a look at yourselves and ask the question would you want everyone knowing everything about you or your business. Watch the porn, get off, and shut up.

 

[mikeyank]

And there hasn't been a need? ive been reading the posts and everyday it was questions about Damien or Paul who totally started this thing themselves but most of you fail to see that. then there were other questions about this or that and he tried to answer them the best he could. we are members not shareholders and what is up with feeling like you are entitled to question someone about how they run their business. do you go to burger king and ask them what their staff is doing or where the burgers are made. no. it's really ridiculous how mean some of you are and have no respect for the people who work hard every day to bring you the forum and the site. ian simply said he didnt care for damien and didnt go into details. get over it. the other two totally went off on Vadim Black and revealed some personal things. thats the difference! duh! now you have gone and screwed it up for everyone else who was starting to get a good feel for some of the things going on. the forum is here for us to interact with each other and give feedback in a respectful and dignified way. your responses are demeaning when all this staff member did was try to clear things up. i know there was a reason i never went on the forums and this proves my point. i knew it was going to come to this. u all need to take a look at yourselves and ask the question would you want everyone knowing everything about you or your business. Watch the porn, get off, and shut up.

You are really a piece of work, Miami24. I've not been quite sure what your agenda is since you burst upon this forum a few days ago, but with this post, I am starting to believe that you definitely joined here to deliver a very specific message, as others have done in the past by joining, making some inflammatory posts, lasting for three or four weeks, until the controversy of the month subsided, and then disappeared into thin air. Perhaps you have been here before under another screen name to create similar havoc on the forum.

What you either don't understand, or don't care to acknowledge is that many of us are very much vested into this site and this forum. In the early days of the forum, David who produced the scenes was a very active participant on the forum, answering our questions, sometimes arguing with us, sometimes telling us that we were asking about subjects that he couldn't discuss with us, but always treated us with respect. We also had Scorpio on Mark's team who also always seemed to be around to discuss the site with us, and in more recent years WebMonkey joined the staff and was also open and cordial with us. Mark and Sha as well as Chuck are also cordial with members, so DC is not the first staff member to interact with us.

Who are you to tell us what we should and should not ask here, and to tell us that our responses are demeaning? Damian Christopher came to the forum to explain some of the changes in direction of the site, and when his answers didn't add up, we questioned the inconsistencies in his statements. He now has decided to only communicate with us through private messages which is obviously his right as an administrator of the site.

I would ask you Miami24 to take your own advice in the future and to "Watch the porn, get off, and shut up."

 

[Miami24]

You are really a piece of work, Miami24. I've not been quite sure what your agenda is since you burst upon this forum a few days ago, but with this post, I am starting to believe that you definitely joined here to deliver a very specific message, as others have done in the past by joining, making some inflammatory posts, lasting for three or four weeks, until the controversy of the month subsided, and then disappeared into thin air. Perhaps you have been here before under another screen name to create similar havoc on the forum.

What you either don't understand, or don't care to acknowledge is that many of us are very much vested into this site and this forum. In the early days of the forum, David who produced the scenes was a very active participant on the forum, answering our questions, sometimes arguing with us, sometimes telling us that we were asking about subjects that he couldn't discuss with us, but always treated us with respect. We also had Scorpio on Mark's team who also always seemed to be around to discuss the site with us, and in more recent years WebMonkey joined the staff and was also open and cordial with us. Mark and Sha as well as Chuck are also cordial with members, so DC is not the first staff member to interact with us.

Who are you to tell us what we should and should not ask here, and to tell us that our responses are demeaning? Damian Christopher came to the forum to explain some of the changes in direction of the site, and when his answers didn't add up, we questioned the inconsistencies in his statements. He now has decided to only communicate with us through private messages which is obviously his right as an administrator of the site.

I would ask you Miami24 to take your own advice in the future and to "Watch the porn, get off, and shut up."

fromm my cell so excuse the grammar. I am a piece of work and I like the fact that fact. i could care less what Damien C does. its about respect. i have no agenda. its almost like people are paranoid on here. do you realize that a lot of members dont post because of you regulars on the forum. I have taken my own advice to watch the porn, get off, and shut up for too long because some of you are ridiculous. i'll be here to stay and will voice my opinion when i need to. Like it or not. This is not healthy. you criticize the models who are kids and have self esteem issues to begin with, criticize the staff, and even do it to each other. glad this is my day off so keep it coming.

 

[joninliverton]

fromm my cell so excuse the grammar. I am a piece of work and I like the fact that fact. i could care less what Damien C does. its about respect. i have no agenda. its almost like people are paranoid on here. do you realize that a lot of members dont post because of you regulars on the forum. I have taken my own advice to watch the porn, get off, and shut up for too long because some of you are ridiculous. i'll be here to stay and will voice my opinion when i need to. Like it or not. This is not healthy. you criticize the models who are kids and have self esteem issues to begin with, criticize the staff, and even do it to each other. glad this is my day off so keep it coming.

Miami - As I suspected a few days ago you are obviously on here to cause bother and grief. I don't believe one iota that you area doctor because doctors are far more understanding and less tunnel visioned than what you are. So continue to post your bullshit, I will not read it as you are now on ignore. Bye Bye Doc..

 

[another1]

first thing, I want to say that blake did a great job. he ask questions many wanted the answers to. like who is the most likeable and who is not?
I could hear the answer, in my head, before ian put the thought to words. paul would be the answer to the first part, because he has a way of making people feel good. the Damien cultists will dislike me for saying it, but there is only one model I met who was off-putting.
I don't think damian was treated very well. when you were getting silence there were complaints. when you got responses, the complaint was the response did not go into detail. then the pieces of information didn't add up. maybe, things don't seem to add up, because we don't have all the numbers. the demand for complete details goes beyond what the subscribers of any publication have ever had.
now I will shut up!

 

[Miami24]

Miami - As I suspected a few days ago you are obviously on here to cause bother and grief. I don't believe one iota that you area doctor because doctors are far more understanding and less tunnel visioned than what you are. So continue to post your bullshit, I will not read it as you are now on ignore. Bye Bye Doc..

And I need to prove what to you? you have been debbie doubter from the beginning. Sad. Don't think you can even understand what bedside manner is or having to tell a patient serious news. You cant if you havent been there. I act according to the facts. Love this but technology is nothing. What's important is that you have a faith in people, that they're basically good and smart, and if you give them tools, they'll do wonderful things with them.This forum is a wonderful tool that has been taken for granted. im not on here to cause anything. qoute from a private message I got:

"Some of the regulars are hardcore and have an opinion on everything. They often degrade themselves with their speech and actions. I'm not like them. There is no reason to participate. Let them have their status."

Enough said.....

 

[Miami24]

It's as if nothing from management is about this site anymore - just the TV show. You remember the old saying "All roads lead to Rome" well it seems here that the answer from management to any issue about models, their performances, their interactions is "Wait until the TV show". Well given the trailer we have seen, I can't see this TV show being broadcast on any US broadcast network or even basic cable. Maybe a cable network like FX but even that would be a stretch. I'm guessing it would have to be on a paid premium cable network like Showtime or the gay one Here!. Maybe it would have to be a Pay Per View.
The point is that the TV show will be the answer only for those who can get whatever vehicle it ends up on. Or maybe it could find a home on a streaming internet service. In any event, I'd like to see site issues handled as such by management and not put everything on the TV show.

And if you had a TV show coming out wouldnt you use all of your resources? Nice support for the site you supposedly love. Looks like any other reality show to me but ill check it out when it comes out. we need to all be more supportive. if it stinks then at least they tried to do something different.

 

[PascalBrutal]

Hey guys,

Thank you all for taking the time to explain your concerns. It was never my intention to create such a confusing or uncomfortable situation. Initially, I came to the forum to build relationships, let you all know what we were working on, and give you a taste for things to come.

I think that when you teased some returning models or even some new upcoming ones, everybody was very happy with those sort of posts. I'm sorry to read that this will be probably your last public post but I'd like the teasing about the models to continue, maybe taken over by one of the recruiters directly?

(...) If my answers to questions seemed vague or unclear it's simply because we're a corporation. Things change very quickly around here and we have teams in CO, Atlanta, and CA that must chime in before a decision or statement is often made.

(...) I by no means run the show and we all work together as a team to get things done. Any changes are a team effort. Some of the things attributed to me on here I had nothing to do with, lol.

I didn't know there were multiple headquarters to the Blue Media operations. I guess the CA one is dedicated to selling the proposed TV series. But I must say that when I read those explanations, I kind of get the feeling that sometimes the right hand didn't know what the left was doing and you unfortunately took it upon yourself to reconcile the two (the three?) for us on the thread. That could explain some of the 'retconning' that had to take place to sort of make sense of some conflicting piece of information or some of our misunderstandings.

Maybe more coordination between the three subsidiaries is needed because if it is confusing for some very informed Veteran forum users it could also be hell for some of your business partners?

Thanks for playing with us for a while. It was much appreciated!

And if you had a TV show coming out wouldnt you use all of your resources? Nice support for the site you supposedly love. Looks like any other reality show to me but ill check it out when it comes out. we need to all be more supportive. if it stinks then at least they tried to do something different.

But if you look at the stickied thread 'Broke Straight Boys Coming To Television' on top of the Membership forum, you'll see that they've been at it for more than TWO YEARS!

I don't know how long you've been a member for but wouldn't you expect the Veteran posters to be kind of over the whole thing?

If the forum housed as many Newbies as Veterans, I'd understand Blue Media's incessant promoting of their TV project but it is not the case and I can't understand that they haven't figured that some very vocal users would start cringing every time they mention it.

 

[louis33705]

I'm exhausted reading this thread. It's like watching an episode of "Dallas"

If anyone needs a breath of fresh air, check out the video I posted on the thread "Inspirational things found of the internet."

 

[Miami24]

I think that when you teased some returning models or even some new upcoming ones, everybody was very happy with those sort of posts. I'm sorry to read that this will be probably your last public post but I'd like the teasing about the models to continue, maybe taken over by one of the recruiters directly?

I didn't know there were multiple headquarters to the Blue Media operations. I guess the CA one is dedicated to selling the proposed TV series. But I must say that when I read those explanations, I kind of get the feeling that sometimes the right hand didn't know what the left was doing and you unfortunately took it upon yourself to reconcile the two (the three?) for us on the thread. That could explain some of the 'retconning' that had to take place to sort of make sense of some conflicting piece of information or some of our misunderstandings.

Maybe more coordination between the three subsidiaries is needed because if it is confusing for some very informed Veteran forum users it could also be hell for some of your business partners?

Thanks for playing with us for a while. It was much appreciated!



But if you look at the stickied thread 'Broke Straight Boys Coming To Television' on top of the Membership forum, you'll see that they've been at it for more than TWO YEARS!

I don't know how long you've been a member for but wouldn't you expect the Veteran posters to be kind of over the whole thing?

If the forum housed as many Newbies as Veterans, I'd understand Blue Media's incessant promoting of their TV project but it is not the case and I can't understand that they haven't figured that some very vocal users would start cringing every time they mention it.

Read this. http://www.wikihow.com/Create-a-Reality-Show. It usually takes a few years for the average show to see the light of day. this good too: http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/tv-production.htm
2 years is around the norm. things dont happen overnight in hollywood. i think the frustration for us is that many of us dont know how long it usually takes. its not their fault. a little research is all it takes to understand better. i just think we need to be supporting it. i read the thread and thanks for showing me that. it seems like many of you didnt even believe it was real. thats crazy. why would they lie about it. thats what i mean by the negativity on the site. in your face to all the people whose jaws dropped when the trailer came out. shame on you.

 

[mikeyank]

Read this. http://www.wikihow.com/Create-a-Reality-Show. It usually takes a few years for the average show to see the light of day. this good too: http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/tv-production.htm
2 years is around the norm. things dont happen overnight in hollywood. i think the frustration for us is that many of us dont know how long it usually takes. its not their fault. a little research is all it takes to understand better. i just think we need to be supporting it. i read the thread and thanks for showing me that. it seems like many of you didnt even believe it was real. thats crazy. why would they lie about it. thats what i mean by the negativity on the site. in your face to all the people whose jaws dropped when the trailer came out. shame on you.

The long time members of the site show our support in the best way possible for Mark and his company, by subscribing to the site. I have been a continuous member never letting a month lapse since I joined going on six years ago next month. Mark has provided us with a forum, as well as many bonus sites and has increased the number of scenes per week, without raising the subscription cost for that, and I am grateful, and faithfully pay my fee each month. I enjoy the forum that he has provided, and particularly enjoy the freedom he gives us to express our views with minimal censorship. So as a paying member, I love the right that we have to express our thoughts and feelings even when we disagree or question what we are being told.

While I am a loyal long time member, Dr. Miami, you puzzle me. You suddenly burst upon the scene, putting down many of us on the forum for being rude to Damian Christopher who is also a relative newbie to the world of Broke Straight Boys Could you kindly tell us a bit more about your history with the site, how long you've been a member, and how long you've been reading the forum. Quite frankly, there is something about you that does not quite add up in my eyes, Dr. M. You have absolutely no obligation to answer my questions, but I am just putting it out there. We recently had another new poster named Jeffster who also emerged quite suddenly and also was attacking the long term and other opinionated forumites who were questioning management. He was quite rude to us here and after a short while disappeared.

Going back further to when BSB1 ended and some of us were dissatisfied with the early days of BSB2, we had a few new posters with the same attitude as you and jeffster, and again when bareback was introduced, we also had similar never before heard from posters also suddenly appeared here with both barrels firing at once, attacking us. All of this history makes me suspicious as I wonder why you are attacking the most loyal fans that Mark has, as we support him year after year with our discretionary dollars.

 

[another1]

Read this. http://www.wikihow.com/Create-a-Reality-Show. It usually takes a few years for the average show to see the light of day. this good too: http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/tv-production.htm
2 years is around the norm. things dont happen overnight in hollywood. i think the frustration for us is that many of us dont know how long it usually takes. its not their fault. a little research is all it takes to understand better. i just think we need to be supporting it. i read the thread and thanks for showing me that. it seems like many of you didnt even believe it was real. thats crazy. why would they lie about it. thats what i mean by the negativity on the site. in your face to all the people whose jaws dropped when the trailer came out. shame on you.

I found myself nodding in agreement, until I got to the last 2 sentences. compassion with a left hook. be that as it may be. I believe you are correct in what you say about length of time from production to distribution. Hollywood time is different from website time. 30 months vs 1 month. during Broke Straight Boys 1, the timeframe was 6 months. it's like trying to explain 3 dimensions to a 2 dimensioned world.
I often wonder why a doctor will tell you this won't hurt? reporting their pain level? someone else's pain level? when it does hurt, am I to suppress the urge to yell you lie and say I felt some discomfort?

 

[PascalBrutal]

Read this. http://www.wikihow.com/Create-a-Reality-Show. It usually takes a few years for the average show to see the light of day. this good too: http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/tv-production.htm
2 years is around the norm. things dont happen overnight in hollywood. i think the frustration for us is that many of us dont know how long it usually takes. its not their fault. a little research is all it takes to understand better. i just think we need to be supporting it. (...)

Thanks for those exterior links. I read them like you demanded and I could not find the "2 years is around the norm" quote in either of them. Maybe you read it somewhere else?

Also what I didn't read was that you should keep promoting them aggressively to your captive audience during those two loooong years, at the risk of alienating them (which seems to me is what is happening here). Even when you completely scrap the results of your first production bout (bye bye competition format) and start again from scratch.

I applaud Blue Media for sticking to their guns and plowing through with their idea to take gay porn to a whole new level of exposure but when they tire out the very people who should be their most staunch supporters, you can tell something went wrong in the execution, especially in this day and age of social media.

 

[another1]