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One thing that I like especially about Broke Straight Boys is Sha. He seems like a kind mentor to the guys, but he's not afraid to be tough with them when he needs to. The Colorado house and the current location (Florida?) are upscale and classy. I've read a few "memoirs" of porn "stars" who talk about various studios and how they were shabbily treated. Broke Straight Boys appears to be above all that. I believe that the Broke Straight Boys guys are treated well and fairly. It bothers me when guys leave Broke Straight Boys for other studios. Will they be taken care of well? Guess we won't know, but it's very cool when they return to Broke Straight Boys I like to think the returnees saw that things weren't as green on the other side of the fence as they hoped and that Broke Straight Boys is a class operation. Still, however, I wish we had more Broke Straight Boys behind the scenes episodes like we got from Colorado. Keep up the good work, Sha. So glad you enforce a no drugs and alcohol policy at the house. Some of the guys need that kind of guidance. And keep the hot boys coming (or cumming)!!
 
Well said, Coach! haha

The models, members and the site are lucky to have Sha. :)
 
This particular trilogy was very very controversial back in the day. Mainly so because one of the three guys is very homophobic and singles out the gay identifying model named Aiden (who may be one of the sweetest, nicest, most endearing fem twinks ever to walk the face of the earth, lol) with mean, disparaging and homophobic remarks. Ahem! Keeping in mind that the self-identifying supposedly totally straight guy dishes out these disparaging homophobic remarks while maintaining a rock-hard boner most of the time. Me thinks he doth protest too much maybe??? lol

By the end of the trilogy, surprisingly I had a genuine respect and admiration of this seemingly homophobic guy [named Torin] for the character he showed by his extreme generosity and all the kindness extended to his straight friend Steve. While others may Talk about the nobility of helping out others in a time of need...this guy actually walked the walk instead of just talking the talk. It's hard to explain without knowing or detailing the whole backstory first to all of you. Suffice to say that it is very good porn my mind, in keeping with the Broke Straight Boys paradigm of the site. But it will also challenge and provoke you both mentally and emotionally at the same time.

But Tyler, these scenes fit your specifications of being a very good and very memorable trilogy which was shown consecutively without distractions of other scenes placed in between. lol

As an aside... I have made my strong dislike of having fem gay models on the site well known over the years. lol I've always felt that on a site called Broke Straight Boys that even a gay or bi model who is hired should at least be reasonably butch and passable for straight. Dear sweet little Aiden is one who stole my heart and broke all those rules. haha I wish I could just sweep him up in my arms, plant kisses all over him, put him in my pocket and take him home with me forever. Where I would cuddle with him every night, protect him from any negativity in the world, and exchange sweet nothings with him until we fell asleep. LOL

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I had to add yet another scene to this series. There was one with just Torin and Steve. And then there were three with all three models. So now we have all 4 scenes listed.
 
Yes my dear friend Mikey. These scenes created a firestorm of protest. It got hot in here, and not in just a sexual way. lol Plenty of people would have loved to see Torin's a** kicked for some of the homophobic things he said and did to dear, sweet little Aiden. Myself included. Not only did I fall in internet love with Aiden (LOL) but to the shock of some, I also eventually came to the defense of Torin. It was complicated. haha

I'm rather busy right now. But when I get online later I will try to track down some of those older threads and repost them...if you think there would be interest. Or if you think newbies might want another trip to the well to comment on their own...that's fine too. It would take me some time to find three 8 year old threads. I know that. haha

I for one would enjoy reading those older posts and comments related to certain episodes. Think about it...it was the Broke Straight Boys twitter at the time!
 
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Lin/ to the scene: https://members.brokestraightboys.com/play/MzI5/torin-&-steve

Link to the Forum thread for the scene:
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Link to the scene: https://members.brokestraightboys.com/play/MzE1/aiden,-torin-&-steve

Link to the Forum thread for this scene:
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Link to the scene: https://members.brokestraightboys.com/play/MzE2/aiden,-torin-&-steve

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Link to the scene: https://members.brokestraightboys.com/play/MzQ2/torin,-aiden-&-steve

Link to the Forum thread for this scene:
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I was able to find only of the forum threads. But I hope you all enjoy the series, and also possibly the original threads about the scenes. :)

Cheers!!
 
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I for one would enjoy reading those older posts and comments related to certain episodes. Think about it...it was the Broke Straight Boys twitter at the time!



You can do that, tyler. Just ask tampa or mikey; they are the best at digging up old threads. I'm sure they'd be more than happy to share their expertise!
 
Here's an excerpt from a thread written by the director David himself at the time. From 10/20/2009:


Many of you may think that the storylines are made-up, in fact I rely on true stories for the basis of why the models are here. Yes! I do get to know the models and off camera find out why they what to do "gay porn", in this case, his house did burn down...it was actually was a sad story.

Steve was out with some friends and his parents were out playing bridge (card game) and while the family was out, they had an electrical fire that burnt down there whole house. Steve's parents were 3 houses down and they smelled the smoke and seen the fire trucks....when they stepped out to see what was going on in the neighborhood, they realized it was there house that was on fire. Since they didn't own the house and they were renting the house and they had no insurance on the house, they lost everything.

When I picked Steve up a the airport. He was carrying a borrowed suitcase and minimum amounts of clothes in the suit case, we had to give him clothes and the other models let him borrow clothes while he was down filming. In the meanwhile, Steve's parents moved into friends home and Steve moved in with Torin.

To follow-up on this story, when Steve returned home, the money he earned he moved out of Torin's house and his parents got a room in a nearby Motel 6 and stayed there. Steve gave his Dad and Mom the money and his Dad and Mom works so they saved up there money and the lady that owned the house, owns another house nearby in the neighborhood, its a smaller house but they were able to move into that house for cheaper rent and they are getting themselves back in order. Steve emailed me and he wants to come back and do more scenes, but I told him I will think about it and see how he does when we upload his scenes. If you guys want him back, we will bring him back...if his ratings are low, then I'm not sure to bring him back or not?

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Well said, Coach! haha

The models, members and the site are lucky to have Sha. :)

One thing that I like especially about Broke Straight Boys is Sha. He seems like a kind mentor to the guys, but he's not afraid to be tough with them when he needs to. The Colorado house and the current location (Florida?) are upscale and classy. I've read a few "memoirs" of porn "stars" who talk about various studios and how they were shabbily treated. Broke Straight Boys appears to be above all that. I believe that the Broke Straight Boys guys are treated well and fairly. It bothers me when guys leave Broke Straight Boys for other studios. Will they be taken care of well? Guess we won't know, but it's very cool when they return to Broke Straight Boys I like to think the returnees saw that things weren't as green on the other side of the fence as they hoped and that Broke Straight Boys is a class operation. Still, however, I wish we had more Broke Straight Boys behind the scenes episodes like we got from Colorado. Keep up the good work, Sha. So glad you enforce a no drugs and alcohol policy at the house. Some of the guys need that kind of guidance. And keep the hot boys coming (or cumming)!!

I absolutely agree. It has been my experience that "interviews" or other "introducing our next Cum Drop", at some other sites are very superficial, focusing on the sex. Not knocking that, but more than likely a member of those sites are only there for that reason. I have "out grown" that. Broke Straight Boys, along with the talents of Sha, are providing a new level and experience in porn by presenting the new models, fully dressed, talking about themselves outside a studio set for 15 minutes! 15 minutes is a long time!

Today's Broke Straight Boys isn't your Uncle's Broke Straight Boys..it has always been one of a kind different. Today, it still is one of a kind different and attracting more and more loyal members.
 
You can do that, tyler. Just ask tampa or mikey; they are the best at digging up old threads. I'm sure they'd be more than happy to share their expertise!

Thanks for that Stowe. I'm one of the better ones at finding old posts or threads here in the forum. The search features on the forum are not as user friendly as they used to be before the switchover to a new system about 4 years ago. I must as well be blunt and say, They suck. It's much more frustrating and time-consuming now. But it can be done. lol That's not a criticism of the site. The software company sold and hyped to customers of this forum software as an upgrade over the older systems. What the software improved upon however, it took back by leaving a lousy search feature system for users. That was one of the tradeoffs. And there are still other kinks and gremlins in the system that kind of annoy me. But I'm aware of them and work around them now. lol

To find these old threads I had to go back and search through the whole database of threads from the Site Related section of the forum. Once you find a fairly close proximity to the dates you're looking for, it's much easier. But that alone doesn't guarantee success in finding everything you're looking for. haha Because the threads don't stay in a precise chronological order. They flow on the list based upon the date of the last post to the thread. And not the date the thread was started. That would have been too easy for users, and too much to ask of the programmers of the system. haha If the thread has a really obvious label like "Torin, Steve and Aiden", they are much easier to track down. If a scene thread is labeled something like, "These Guys Rock" or "I Hated It", those are going to be very difficult to pick out of thousands of thread titles. lol
 
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I was able to find only of the forum threads. But I hope you all enjoy the series, and also possibly the original threads about the scenes. :)

Cheers!!

I've watched all 4 episodes. Question....shouldn't the 4th one have been 3rd? I see the dates and all. Just a theory, but perhaps they were all in the can and management wanted to get episode 3 out to the "hungry" members at the time? In the future when I view them again, episode 4 will be 3rd. It will be interesting to see how the corresponding forum chatter matches up. Speaking of corresponding chatter...:cheerleader3: Thank you Tampa :cheerleader3:for crawling into that vault and bringing those conversations forward! I attempted once, to look for some conversation on a past model, and with the search options avaiable, it was easier to just slowly find a date and matching thread. For now, I will rely on your expertise and take stowe1's advice!

The background story, along with Torin and Steven's present living situation, absolutely for sure brings added revelance to this series. There are many other tensions going on besides sexual. Torin is close to the breaking point on so many levels, including his sexual boundaries. that he is definitaley in that "whatever" attitude. Torin sees his friend crossing the lines on so many levels, plus the pressures of David's on screen suggestions (once the camera is rolling), suggestions from fiesty little Aiden(after awhile), he just gives it up/submits. But, he satisfied knowing he has made close to $6,000.00 over the past 2-3 weeks! That's a lot of cash for a Broke Straight Boys!

I agree, Torin's attitude regarding Aiden in the second scene was hateful, but Aiden dished it back and held his own. That is how I saw it. He won Steven over pretty quickly and didn't get much back talk from him. Torin was the hero here, giving stability in so many ways to several people, while fighting his own demons with alchohol, as he admits. Out of the four, what struck me was in episode 3, when David suggested that Torin plow his friend, Steven. He balked but David reminded him he still was holding the $2500 fee (and I am paraphrasing) and Aiden also chimmed in that he was waiting to see Steven go anal, too, as promised. He puts on the blindfold, slowly enters Steven, then.....OFF TO THE RACES!!! He doesn't let up until he pops! As I was watching, I was thinking...wow, Torin is really opening his friend's butt here....do I sense some anger or rage? Perhaps revenge because of the living arrangements for the past several weeks? His way of really "kicking Steven's ass out of his home space? In the end, there wasn't much , if any nice talk, with another parting verbal jab to Aiden with Aiden rolling his shoulders. By this time (Torin would never admit it), but Aiden had earned a different level of some type of respect from Torin.

Episode 4. My big take away other than it was out of order regardless of the date was how well Steven sucked cock! I was impressed. He sucked cock better than Aiden. I was saving my comment regarding Aiden's oral skills here. Hahaha...Aiden's cock sucking sucked!!!....visually, anyway. That is my opinion. He never wrapped around either of the boys cock with a good lip lock. Maybe I have certain standards! hehehe!! Anyway, I was really impressed with Steven's oral skills. Also, Torin caught on pretty quick, once he dropped that over the top straight boy attitude. But you know, when I go into that mode of judging straight guys, I ask myself...put yourself in their shoes and that was a girl's pussy!:ban: When I do that, I throttle back. Disgusting!! hahaha!!

Excellent episodes Tampa. Now to read the matching forum chatter. I am starting to dissect this Broke Straight Boys
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Cheers!
Tyler :)
p.s. Apologies for any misspelled word/grammar. I was multi-tasking!:blushing:
 
Thanks so much for responding Tyler. I'm so glad you enjoyed the series. Whenever I do some intensive research to find things here in the forum I'm always wondering if it's worth it or appreciated. I'm very happy that you enjoyed the scenes and that the links to the scenes and the forum threads have been helpful for you.

For anyone reading this, please be assured that old forum threads are not sacred. lol What I mean by that is that if you want to add a post, write a response or comment on threads that are 1 month old or 9 years old...please have at it and post your thoughts to them. There's nothing wrong with bringing an old thread or conversation back to life. Anything that stirs new or renewed conversation is a good thing. Good conversation is what all forums are supposed to be about. As with so many conversations in our lifetime, when we look back on them we often see things from a different perspective. We humans often decide that a heartfelt belief we had on a situation 10 years or so ago was not correct, or perhaps not as intense as it seemed to us back then with the benefit of hindsight in the present.
 
I'm a little too tired right now Tyler to delve deep into responding to your observations of the scenes. But I shall later when I have time and am more awake and focused. lol :thumbup1:
 
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I was able to find only of the forum threads. But I hope you all enjoy the series, and also possibly the original threads about the scenes. :)

Cheers!!
I just re-read that thread Tampa, and now I'm sorry that I brought up the thread. lol I got angry all over again at Jon and Rifle as I'm re-litigating the arguments again in my mind, eight years later. You and I and Elyot are the only current forumites on that thread that I can recall.

The one point that is so interesting to me about those scenes is how "homophobic" Torin always has the stiffest cock before and during the sex. Here are Parisnoyd's comments and pics from that thread.

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In one, Torin is clearly showing how much he hates what is about to occur.

Another shows Aiden has Torin right where he wants him. "He WAS directing".

Another shows Steve enjoying Aiden's show.

I included Steve's ass shot just because.:tongue_smilie:

I just like watching naked guys get it on.........

Ya'll go back to arguing. I'm just gonna enjoy the show.
 
Yes Mikey,

Sometimes trips down memory lane can stir a pleasant nostalgia for the past. Others can stir up old grievances and get one riled up all over again. You never know which it might be in such a long-running forum like this. We know how Jon runs very hot and cold. When he gets a bee in his bonnet there is absolutely no talking him down or reasoning with him. He will only cool when he is ready to do so. Over the course of maybe a year or two Rifle did a complete personality change before our eyes. Perhaps there were some mental health issues involved, or it could have very simply been that his husband's health was failing and the wait for that inevitable outcome just kinda turned his heart to stone. After the loss of his husband especially, who he had been with for decades (and had about 8 adopted children, and bunches of grandchildren with) he was no longer the wonderful person we first met. He rarely had a pleasant or kind word to say about any subject in here after that.
 
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The point being though with this series is that is so memorable to those of us who saw it unfold in real time precisely because it stirred up so much passion, a few arguments, yes...but also in the process, some riveting intelligent debate.
 
Yes Mikey,

Sometimes trips down memory lane can stir a pleasant nostalgia for the past. Others can stir up old grievances and get one riled up all over again. You never know which it might be in such a long-running forum like this. We know how Jon runs very hot and cold. When he gets a bee in his bonnet there is absolutely no talking him down or reasoning with him. He will only cool when he is ready to do so. Over the course of maybe a year or two Rifle did a complete personality change before our eyes. Perhaps there were some mental health issues involved, or it could have very simply been that his husband's health was failing and the wait for that inevitable outcome just kinda turned his heart to stone. After the loss of his husband especially, who he had been with for decades (and had about 8 adopted children, and bunches of grandchildren with) he was no longer the wonderful person we first met. He rarely had a pleasant or kind word to say about any subject in here after that.

The point being though with this series is that is so memorable to those of us who saw it unfold in real time precisely because it stirred up so much passion, a few arguments, yes...but also in the process, some riveting intelligent debate.
It's interesting to me Tampa, how I like to "romanticize" the past speaking of how much fun the forum used to be. But re-reading this thread from seven and a half years ago, instead of feeling nostalgic, it kind of sickened me. :sick: lol

It was great to see some of the names of old friends on the thread, but there was also so much vitriol that now I think that maybe it's better today, that we all don't get so personal when defending our thoughts and opinions. Of course there were also many light hearted fun threads and teasing and laughing back in the old days too, but this discussion was way too serious with accusations flying around. Over-all it was not a fun experience for me reliving that period on the forum.
 
I've watched all 4 episodes. Question....shouldn't the 4th one have been 3rd? I see the dates and all. Just a theory, but perhaps they were all in the can and management wanted to get episode 3 out to the "hungry" members at the time? In the future when I view them again, episode 4 will be 3rd. It will be interesting to see how the corresponding forum chatter matches up. Speaking of corresponding chatter... Thank you Tampa :cheerleader3:for crawling into that vault and bringing those conversations forward! I attempted once, to look for some conversation on a past model, and with the search options avaiable, it was easier to just slowly find a date and matching thread. For now, I will rely on your expertise and take stowe1's advice!

The background story, along with Torin and Steven's present living situation, absolutely for sure brings added relevance to this series. There are many other tensions going on besides sexual. Torin is close to the breaking point on so many levels, including his sexual boundaries. that he is definitaley in that "whatever" attitude. Torin sees his friend crossing the lines on so many levels, plus the pressures of David's on screen suggestions (once the camera is rolling), suggestions from fiesty little Aiden(after awhile), he just gives it up/submits. But, he satisfied knowing he has made close to $6,000.00 over the past 2-3 weeks! That's a lot of cash for a Broke Straight Boys!

I agree, Torin's attitude regarding Aiden in the second scene was hateful, but Aiden dished it back and held his own. That is how I saw it. He won Steven over pretty quickly and didn't get much back talk from him. Torin was the hero here, giving stability in so many ways to several people, while fighting his own demons with alchohol, as he admits. Out of the four, what struck me was in episode 3, when David suggested that Torin plow his friend, Steven. He balked but David reminded him he still was holding the $2500 fee (and I am paraphrasing) and Aiden also chimmed in that he was waiting to see Steven go anal, too, as promised. He puts on the blindfold, slowly enters Steven, then.....OFF TO THE RACES!!! He doesn't let up until he pops! As I was watching, I was thinking...wow, Torin is really opening his friend's butt here....do I sense some anger or rage? Perhaps revenge because of the living arrangements for the past several weeks? His way of really "kicking Steven's ass out of his home space? In the end, there wasn't much , if any nice talk, with another parting verbal jab to Aiden with Aiden rolling his shoulders. By this time (Torin would never admit it), but Aiden had earned a different level of some type of respect from Torin.

Episode 4. My big take away other than it was out of order regardless of the date was how well Steven sucked cock! I was impressed. He sucked cock better than Aiden. I was saving my comment regarding Aiden's oral skills here. Hahaha...Aiden's cock sucking sucked!!!....visually, anyway. That is my opinion. He never wrapped around either of the boys cock with a good lip lock. Maybe I have certain standards! hehehe!! Anyway, I was really impressed with Steven's oral skills. Also, Torin caught on pretty quick, once he dropped that over the top straight boy attitude. But you know, when I go into that mode of judging straight guys, I ask myself...put yourself in their shoes and that was a girl's pussy!:ban: When I do that, I throttle back. Disgusting!! hahaha!!

Excellent episodes Tampa. Now to read the matching forum chatter. I am starting to dissect this Broke Straight Boys

Cheers!
Tyler :)
p.s. Apologies for any misspelled word/grammar. I was multi-tasking!:blushing:

Hi Tyler,

One of the most insightful things you mention here is the high likelihood that the third and fourth episodes were shown out of sequence. I believe it's quite possible you're right. It wasn't an obvious conclusion so much in 2009 when there was a two month gap between the last 3 episodes and the release of the final episode to the series. Sometimes when they have an episode which they know is not all that great, they will hold it back and release it later. Often back in Broke Straight Boys-1 days they would hold back a video they knew would not get a very high rating and place it later on in between two videos they knew would likely be very popular. That's not a criticism. That's just good marketing. If you've already spent the money on it and the whole editing department has spent the time to get it ready to show, you don't want to just throw that time and money away.

The fourth episode got a lower rating than the rest. The flow of the storyline did seem disjointed. The fourth episode was actually one of my favorites because that's where Torin had to let Steve's dick directly touch his while Aiden gave them a blowjob together. Torin was trying to look away that whole time while Steve was sneaking glances down. lol I sensed all along that Steve was secretly enjoying doing gay sexual things with Torin.

Even if Torin used a Viagra or other artificial aid, there's no denying that he usually had the hardest dick in the whole room most of the time...in all four scenes. haha I dare say he was most often harder than even dear sweet little Aiden. Regardless of the fact that Steve was not always rock hard, I think he got far more pleasure and satisfaction out of it than Torin.

Steve would often try to either close his eyes or keep them just barely open. When you saw Steve so often sitting there with just eye slits barely open, I always believed he did that on purpose so he could look sideways over at Torin's dick and see what Torin was doing. It was just a way for him to let his eyes wander, hopefully without getting caught. But the camera did catch Steve openly looking over at times and slipping in darting glances at Torin and Aiden while they were sexually engaged with each other. As roommates Torin would keep ordering Steve to throw the covers over his eyes while he was resting on the couch where he slept, so Torin could trot out from his bedroom to the kitchen or bathroom naked. I think Steve secretly relished being able to get a really good look at Torin's dick and see what Torin had been deliberately hiding from him (and denying him) with all the macho straight-boy modesty. God forbid your best friend who's straight, would get to see you walk around naked for half a minute. lol The world would come to an end if he ever saw your willy! haha

Even though Steve may have had, or in my mind did have a secret bi side, it was Torin who fucked him. Not the other way around. lol So if Torin was to ever get an attitude or accusatory toward Steve later on about Steve's sexuality, there was plenty of ammunition (recorded on tape) for Steve to shut him up. haha

As to your other observations about the sexual tensions, other tensions and emotional undertones of Torin fucking Steve...I think you're spot on Tyler. While Steve was no doubt incredibly grateful to his friend Torin for putting a roof over his head when he was homeless, there were obvious signs of strain on Torin as the weeks dragged on with no end in sight, short of Steve miraculously coming into a whole bunch of money quickly. Three people in a probably tiny one bedroom, one bath apartment would get uncomfortable and awkward pretty quick. :bahtroom2:

So yes. As generous of Torin as he was in offering his friend a way out of homelessness, there may have been a hint of anger during the fucking at the disruption it caused to his life and routine. No doubt the new living arrangement was causing tension between Torin and his girlfriend. So Torin had that to contend with too. Also there was quite possibly a lot of anger on Torin's part at ending up in such an unthinkable and ludicrous Alice in Wonderland alternate reality (For Torin) of doing gay porn to help get his friend out of his house. Throughout all the scenes you could read in Torin's face and eyes where he was practically screaming to himself, "I'm straight. How the H*LL did I end in this situation!! :cursing: :wtf: This HAS to be a bad dream that I'm going to wake up from."
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I also agree that it was hot watching Torin slowly submit to doing all the gay shit that he promised himself he would never compromise on. But the money for himself and the opportunity this would allow his friend to find another stable permanent home was too much to pass up on. As much as he berated sweet little Aiden I do agree that by the end Torin had a newfound respect for Aiden however grudgingly it may have been or how long it took to take hold. After all, once you've let another person suck your dick and you've sucked his...it's kind of difficult to turn around and say this guy is a bad person. If he's such a terrible person and not worthy of some respect...then why did you let him see you naked, touch you naked, suck his dick, and let him suck yours? haha

By far though the crux of the anger and controversy (despite the eventual grudging respect I spoke of above) was/is over how badly Torin talked to and treated Aiden. I've met few gay twinks in person who come as close to the sweetness, kindheartedness and gentleness of little Aiden. I was SO mad at Torin at various points over his treatment of Aiden that I just fumed over it.

In the end as I alluded to in previous posts...oddly enough...and in spite of everything I just saiud about how angry Torin made me at times...I ended up being one of Torin's biggest defenders. My thinking was, that as bad as certain behaviors and actions are, you have to look at the totality of a person's life to get the true picture of the man.. The bigger picture, as it were. While his homophobic treatment of Aiden was way over the top and highly objectionable...look at other clues to Torin's character. I'm paraphrasing a point I made in post at the time by saying this: Torin didn't have a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of. He was just scraping by himself. But... When he found out that his friend was literally homeless, he took him in, gave him a roof over his head, fed him and literally gave him some of the clothes off his back. Didn't just lend them. GAVE them. That's Biblical level generosity, sacrifice and kindness. That says something about someone's true humanity and character also. How many people talk the talk about being kind and generous to others in need, but when push comes to shove, how many of them truly walk the walk like Torin did?

So that's another glimpse into the kinds of arguments, discussions and reactions that this series caused back then, and would no doubt cause today for anyone seeing them for the first time. lol
 
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It's interesting to me Tampa, how I like to "romanticize" the past speaking of how much fun the forum used to be. But re-reading this thread from seven and a half years ago, instead of feeling nostalgic, it kind of sickened me. :sick: lol

It was great to see some of the names of old friends on the thread, but there was also so much vitriol that now I think that maybe it's better today, that we all don't get so personal when defending our thoughts and opinions. Of course there were also many light hearted fun threads and teasing and laughing back in the old days too, but this discussion was way too serious with accusations flying around. Over-all it was not a fun experience for me reliving that period on the forum.

Yes. Sometimes parts of the past are not always as pleasant as we would like to make them out in hindsight. haha
 
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