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Paul & Damien

What, exactly, did Damien say about it? I will accept that neither of you looked at it the way some of us perceived it, but I don't think you quite understand the situation here if you think my problem with the scene is that Damien "got a littlllee load." I WANT to hear the reactions of the bottom--this is the reason I typically don't like three-way scenes. My issue was that Damien sounded as if he found the entire thing painful, and it LOOKED unpleasant, so I have to believe it WAS unpleasant. It didn't need to be. All you had to do was slow down a bit and THINK about what might feel good to someone getting fucked. It isn't that difficult. Yes, maybe he could have practiced with some toys beforehand, but to put the responsibility of a pleasurable sexual experience all on the bottom is, to use a word I have used frequently to describe the behavior of some of the models here, utterly selfish. There are TWO people involved. When you stated in your response to joninliverton above that "i think, had we eased into it, this scene could easily have been a lot more enjoyable for some members...just watch it without the volume on," it is again showing that you don't understand the situation. I am going to assume that you meant this as a joke (since others keep saying you have a good sense of humor), but honestly, Paul, sometimes it simply isn't appropriate to joke. Paying customers are indicating some disappointment here, and it really isn't a good idea to just make light of what they are saying.

To the directors/producers/site admins...look, I mostly like this site, but if you guys insist on doing scenes where you don't seem to have any concern for how the experience is for the bottom, could you AT LEAST put a note on the video saying "WARNING: UTTERLY SELFISH FUCKING" or something like that to warn those of us that aren't interested? That's all I ask. I'm not asking for you to make "lovemaking" scenes. I just want to avoid being subjected to infliction of pain. As I said before, I had been waiting patiently for Damien to bottom, and I was really looking forward to seeing it, but this video was an extreme disappointment. I'm getting tired of being disappointed here.

Now, I fully expect that certain posters are going to respond to this by heaping more praise on Paul, as they don't want to actually deal with real issues, and feel that any kind of criticism of the models is unacceptable as it might bruise their fragile egos, so they have to counter it with praise. It's silly, but fine...go for it. I've tried to be as polite to Paul as I can be on this, but somebody needs to listen to criticism and take it to heart. If not the models, then the management.
 
What, exactly, did Damien say about it? I will accept that neither of you looked at it the way some of us perceived it, but I don't think you quite understand the situation here if you think my problem with the scene is that Damien "got a littlllee load." I WANT to hear the reactions of the bottom--this is the reason I typically don't like three-way scenes. My issue was that Damien sounded as if he found the entire thing painful, and it LOOKED unpleasant, so I have to believe it WAS unpleasant. It didn't need to be. All you had to do was slow down a bit and THINK about what might feel good to someone getting fucked. It isn't that difficult. Yes, maybe he could have practiced with some toys beforehand, but to put the responsibility of a pleasurable sexual experience all on the bottom is, to use a word I have used frequently to describe the behavior of some of the models here, utterly selfish. There are TWO people involved. When you stated in your response to joninliverton above that "i think, had we eased into it, this scene could easily have been a lot more enjoyable for some members...just watch it without the volume on," it is again showing that you don't understand the situation. I am going to assume that you meant this as a joke (since others keep saying you have a good sense of humor), but honestly, Paul, sometimes it simply isn't appropriate to joke. Paying customers are indicating some disappointment here, and it really isn't a good idea to just make light of what they are saying.

To the directors/producers/site admins...look, I mostly like this site, but if you guys insist on doing scenes where you don't seem to have any concern for how the experience is for the bottom, could you AT LEAST put a note on the video saying "WARNING: UTTERLY SELFISH FUCKING" or something like that to warn those of us that aren't interested? That's all I ask. I'm not asking for you to make "lovemaking" scenes. I just want to avoid being subjected to infliction of pain. As I said before, I had been waiting patiently for Damien to bottom, and I was really looking forward to seeing it, but this video was an extreme disappointment. I'm getting tired of being disappointed here.

Now, I fully expect that certain posters are going to respond to this by heaping more praise on Paul, as they don't want to actually deal with real issues, and feel that any kind of criticism of the models is unacceptable as it might bruise their fragile egos, so they have to counter it with praise. It's silly, but fine...go for it. I've tried to be as polite to Paul as I can be on this, but somebody needs to listen to criticism and take it to heart. If not the models, then the management.

Good post mate but it is too late. Any slightly negative comment on films that include models who are currently posting has got a backlash from the said models. And that is the point I have been trying to make, if they cannot take the heat then get out of the frying pan.

The situation will get worse as more films get released. Sure you will get the ass lickers who will and cannot accept any criticism of the models no matter what, but I sincerely hope that posters like yourself will continue to air your views, whether the models and their entourage like it or not.
 
This is in response to "HUH?"s extremely in depth comment, and I wish I could kind of comment on the thing as a whole so here is my attempt. I ABSOLUTELY understand where you're coming from and I apologize if I offended you in any way with trying to bring a lighter spirit into the forum. Things were getting sort of tense, as I'm sure you have read. There are always going to be those who, even if they don't like a scene, will try to comment with something that still shows their praise. Then there are those who never like a thing that comes out, but still continue to purchase/hold their membership here on the sight, fine with me. Then there are those like you, who look at the scene and appreciate it for what it is, good or bad, and post an honest comment on your feelings of the scenes. There was some undertones of anger in there I saw and I understand that. This scene seems to have stirred up some feelings amongst everyone. I apologize if I offended anyone, and will try my hardest to keep some feelings to myself when keeping in touch here on the forum. As for now, I still stand with my flag held high that this scene was a good one, with the screaming and the "pain" kept intact.
 
What, exactly, did Damien say about it? I will accept that neither of you looked at it the way some of us perceived it, but I don't think you quite understand the situation here if you think my problem with the scene is that Damien "got a littlllee load." I WANT to hear the reactions of the bottom--this is the reason I typically don't like three-way scenes. My issue was that Damien sounded as if he found the entire thing painful, and it LOOKED unpleasant, so I have to believe it WAS unpleasant. It didn't need to be. All you had to do was slow down a bit and THINK about what might feel good to someone getting fucked. It isn't that difficult. Yes, maybe he could have practiced with some toys beforehand, but to put the responsibility of a pleasurable sexual experience all on the bottom is, to use a word I have used frequently to describe the behavior of some of the models here, utterly selfish. There are TWO people involved. When you stated in your response to joninliverton above that "i think, had we eased into it, this scene could easily have been a lot more enjoyable for some members...just watch it without the volume on," it is again showing that you don't understand the situation. I am going to assume that you meant this as a joke (since others keep saying you have a good sense of humor), but honestly, Paul, sometimes it simply isn't appropriate to joke. Paying customers are indicating some disappointment here, and it really isn't a good idea to just make light of what they are saying.

To the directors/producers/site admins...look, I mostly like this site, but if you guys insist on doing scenes where you don't seem to have any concern for how the experience is for the bottom, could you AT LEAST put a note on the video saying "WARNING: UTTERLY SELFISH FUCKING" or something like that to warn those of us that aren't interested? That's all I ask. I'm not asking for you to make "lovemaking" scenes. I just want to avoid being subjected to infliction of pain. As I said before, I had been waiting patiently for Damien to bottom, and I was really looking forward to seeing it, but this video was an extreme disappointment. I'm getting tired of being disappointed here.

Now, I fully expect that certain posters are going to respond to this by heaping more praise on Paul, as they don't want to actually deal with real issues, and feel that any kind of criticism of the models is unacceptable as it might bruise their fragile egos, so they have to counter it with praise. It's silly, but fine...go for it. I've tried to be as polite to Paul as I can be on this, but somebody needs to listen to criticism and take it to heart. If not the models, then the management.
I am a big fan of Paul's and think that he is one of the two hottest models currently on the site, the other being Ayden. I also enjoy his personality including his dry sense of humor, so I guess that I qualify as one of the "certain posters" who will "heap more praise on Paul", as I "don't want to actually deal with real issues".

So with that disclaimer I want to respond that everyone doesn't see the scenes here through the same eyes. While it was obvious to you that this was an "utterly selfish fucking" scene. I can certainly understand your point of view as it does not turn you on, and I'm sure a segment of the Broke Straight Boys audience feel the same way. However while I never used to use the member ratings as a gauge, apparently they do represent the overall audience here, forumites and non-forumites, and this scene currently ranks at 4.5 so obviously a larger segment of the overall Broke Straight Boys audience really liked it than felt as you do.

And as part of the "asslicker brigade", according to Jon, I have no problem with Paul's reply about listening with the volume down as I found it amusing. Off most importance is that I realize that this is a porn site and nothing that happens in the scenes is of any real importance, (other than the bareback issue which I feel is real, but that is another discussion).

This should be a fun place to come to escape from life's real issues. I try to always remember that it's only porn. :cool:
 
that is a very valid pont you made there at the end mikey.."This should be a fun placeto come to escape from life's real issues." Theres no need fo hate..i want to assume the forum was created so members can show their gratitude or "love" for the models. As I do see anlot of it..the forum also boasts a lot of hatred for models, be it for our defensive responses or just because some members don't like certain models for how they act on film.

I like the forum and being able to keep in contact with everyone here..it makes me feel important to you guys :)
 
that is a very valid pont you made there at the end mikey.."This should be a fun placeto come to escape from life's real issues." Theres no need fo hate..i want to assume the forum was created so members can show their gratitude or "love" for the models. As I do see anlot of it..the forum also boasts a lot of hatred for models, be it for our defensive responses or just because some members don't like certain models for how they act on film.

I like the forum and being able to keep in contact with everyone here..it makes me feel important to you guys :)
And we are glad your on the forum as well Paul. Like I said 9 or 10 pages ago " the scene was fucking hot" and thats how I like to do it and thats how I like my porn!lol But I too love the passionate Jason type scenes to. Good mix up buddy.
 
What, exactly, did Damien say about it? I will accept that neither of you looked at it the way some of us perceived it, but I don't think you quite understand the situation here if you think my problem with the scene is that Damien "got a littlllee load." I WANT to hear the reactions of the bottom--this is the reason I typically don't like three-way scenes. My issue was that Damien sounded as if he found the entire thing painful, and it LOOKED unpleasant, so I have to believe it WAS unpleasant. It didn't need to be. All you had to do was slow down a bit and THINK about what might feel good to someone getting fucked. It isn't that difficult. Yes, maybe he could have practiced with some toys beforehand, but to put the responsibility of a pleasurable sexual experience all on the bottom is, to use a word I have used frequently to describe the behavior of some of the models here, utterly selfish. There are TWO people involved. When you stated in your response to joninliverton above that "i think, had we eased into it, this scene could easily have been a lot more enjoyable for some members...just watch it without the volume on," it is again showing that you don't understand the situation. I am going to assume that you meant this as a joke (since others keep saying you have a good sense of humor), but honestly, Paul, sometimes it simply isn't appropriate to joke. Paying customers are indicating some disappointment here, and it really isn't a good idea to just make light of what they are saying.

To the directors/producers/site admins...look, I mostly like this site, but if you guys insist on doing scenes where you don't seem to have any concern for how the experience is for the bottom, could you AT LEAST put a note on the video saying "WARNING: UTTERLY SELFISH FUCKING" or something like that to warn those of us that aren't interested? That's all I ask. I'm not asking for you to make "lovemaking" scenes. I just want to avoid being subjected to infliction of pain. As I said before, I had been waiting patiently for Damien to bottom, and I was really looking forward to seeing it, but this video was an extreme disappointment. I'm getting tired of being disappointed here.

Now, I fully expect that certain posters are going to respond to this by heaping more praise on Paul, as they don't want to actually deal with real issues, and feel that any kind of criticism of the models is unacceptable as it might bruise their fragile egos, so they have to counter it with praise. It's silly, but fine...go for it. I've tried to be as polite to Paul as I can be on this, but somebody needs to listen to criticism and take it to heart. If not the models, then the management.

Tho I prefer to talk with models rather than about them, I responded to your first post along this line and was in general agreement, remember? Now, I think it's time to just move on. All of you know I'm an independent straight-forward guy, so I must say I sense a bit of piling on with regard to Paul. May I pose a question? As a versatile bottom myself, doesn't some of the onus belong on Damien for how that scene is perceived? Yes, he was being paid, BUT, this isn't the first scene where the bottom APPEARED to be in pain. And frankly, there's too many examples to mention.

I must take exception to your comment about "fragile egos". No one recently has taken a bigger beating than Paul, deserved or not. I'm in the "not" camp. He has had the courage to stick with us, responding to compliments and criticisms some of which I feel to be unwarranted. In so doing, he has demonstrated a restraint in lashing back at negative comments, some from me! Yes, he can pick and choose what comments to respond to, but he hasn't dodged your post has he?

My final point is this...you've had your say, Paul has attempted tp respond yet it doesn't seem to be enough for you and some others. The bottom line is that the scene, which I didn't really enjoy, was conceived and directed by the management of this site. So if anyone is to be chastized, shouldn't it be them? Damien and Paul were directed to do what they did. Period. End of piling on I hope.
 
FFS guys Paul has not had a beating at all, there are a few people, like myself, who didn't like the film and that was it. The problem was that Paul and Damien Kyle chose to respond in a not to professional manner and it has all escalated out of proportion. Although it appears that Mark has had a word with Paul and Damien Kyle, it appears that Paul keeps chiming in to stir up the past.

I mean, what kind of comment is this "Theres no need fo hate..i want to assume the forum was created so members can show their gratitude or "love" for the models. As I do see anlot of it..the forum also boasts a lot of hatred for models, be it for our defensive responses or just because some members don't like certain models for how they act on film."

The forum was not created to show gratitude or love period. What are we to be grateful for ? the models get paid don't they and we pay our subcriptions for a service ! The forum was created to give Mark and his staff feedback from the members. If Paul thinks that those who criticise or dislike the film hate him then he has a personality complex issue. Jeez - what's going to happen when the next film he or Damien Kyle appears in.

Paul, if you want to see or read a beating then read the desperate Brian thread - that's what I call a beating.
 
And we are glad your on the forum as well Paul. Like I said 9 or 10 pages ago " the scene was fucking hot" and thats how I like to do it and thats how I like my porn!lol But I too love the passionate Jason type scenes to. Good mix up buddy.

thanks I appreciate it..i guess its just natural ;)
 
Paying customers are indicating some disappointment here, and it really isn't a good idea to just make light of what they are saying.

Do you happen to know the number of paying customers that are indicating some disappointment here? Who are "they?" And why the threat? What will "they" do if anyone makes light of what "they" are saying. Don't we all have anonymity with our screen names? We don't even know the real name of the models. Is this threat mainly directed to Paul and the other models that just might read this post? Will there be an orchestrated effort to PM Mark with complaints in hopes of not ever using a particular model under threat of canceling ones subscription?

I have read all the responses on this thread, and I cannot come up with a number. Are there other ways you have in determining this? I have looked for a poll or a specific thread but to no avail,

I guess it's just my background that causes me to wonder about this and dang-it, I'm retired.
 
I just got through talking to Damien...and Paul (laughing) in the background. Damien is so hot and sexy...try Flirt4free...it's worth it!
 
Not My Best Scene But Also Not My Worst haha But Hey We Got It Done. Good Team Work lol..
 
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