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Another school shooting

I wonder if anyone out there looked at their weapons and decided to get rid of them? I'd like some statistics on that!


Crowds flock to gun buyback programs nationwide in response to Connecticut shooting
December 17, 2012
Law-abiding Americans across the country are turning in their guns as part of police buyback programs in response to the school massacre in Connecticut – a shocking illustration of how citizens are choosing to disarm themselves without the need for gun control legislation.

Citizens in Brooklyn, San Francisco, Oakland, Evanston, Ill, and Baltimore all lined up around the block to sell their guns back to police as a gesture in response to the Sandy Hook shooting on Friday.
Mt. Ollie Baptist Church in Brownsville and St. Peters Lutheran Church in Cypress Hills, Brooklyn opened their doors for people to anonymously turn in their guns on Saturday, with the program netting 134 weapons, most of which were revolvers and pistols.​
In another buyback event at Prince George’s County, 150 guns were handed in for cash, while a further 160 were exchanged for gift cards at St. Mark’s United Methodist Church in Laurel, MD.
In San Francisco and Oakland, gun buyback events drew huge crowds and netted over 600 weapons turned in for cash and gift credit cards.
Residents in Evanston also turned in 45 firearms during a buyback event held on Sunday.
Meanwhile, Baltimore police took in 461 guns at a buyback event, during which one of the attendees, 65-year-old grandmother Sonia White, remarked, “After the incident yesterday, it was time to get it out of the house.”
read more at: http://www.infowars.com/americans-turn-in-guns-after-school-massacre/
 
And the other side of the coin is that "gun nuts" are all flocking to buy assault rifles and the like for fear that they may become illegal soon.



Gun sales up, driven by politics, Connecticut massacre

Fear of tighter restrictions trigger a 'buying frenzy.'


5:39 AM, Dec 19, 2012


Gun sales locally have been climbing steadily aided by politics and gun control fears in the long run and more recently by last week’s school shooting in Connecticut.

Additionally, several gun shop owners in Lee County said the steady flow of customers and resulting increase in sales has made getting some kinds of guns difficult to get.

Those same shop owners cited the election and re-election of President Barack Obama for the long-term increase in sales.

“It started about eight months before the election,” said Brian M. Waldron, owner of Guns R Us on Broadway in Fort Myers. “The thing was that people said that Obama would hurt gun sales.”

Jon Dezendorf, manager at Fowler Firearms on Fowler Street in Fort Myers, added that there was a small jump around the election and a little uptick prompted by Christmas shoppers.

“There is an upsurge now because of Connecticut and a concern with gun control laws. It’s a buying frenzy,” Dezendorf said.

Alecs Dean of International Firearm Safety Inc., of Fort Myers, agreed.

“There is a legitimate fear that there will be restrictions,” Dean said. His company offers civilian firearm and personal protection training.

Dean added that interest in his training courses has taken off since Friday. “I’ve had more than 25 calls since Friday for information on classes,” he said. “Usually I get two to three calls a day.”

There is also evidence that firearms sales are moving at a brisk pace nationally as well.

Some gun dealers in Oregon, Virginia and Texas said that stocks of handguns and shotguns were selling quickly.

“Our sales are astronomical,” said Karl Durkheimer, owner of Northwest Armory in Portland, Ore. “We have customers coming in who are very worried for their personal safety. There is no question that sales are related” to Friday’s shooting, which left 20 children and six educators dead, and last week’s deadly shooting at a Portland-area shopping mall.

Waldron, whose small shop sits in the shadow of the Fort Myers Police Department, said that more people became interested in guns after President Barack Obama was re-elected in November.





And now, Waldron said, after the Newtown, Conn., massacre, those who had been indecisive are making their moves. “The phone has been ringing off the hook,” he said.

“There’s a five-month backlog on AR-15s and AK models,” he said. The AR-15, a semi-automatic rifle, was the gun used in the Connecticut shooting.

Waldron said even small revolvers have been difficult to get.

“It’s now starting to affect basic handguns,” he said. “I’m a smaller shop and bigger shops may have more availability.”

At Fowler Firearms, Dezendorf said that there are some AR-15 and AK models that are difficult to get.

Customers at the Fowler shop Tuesday gave a variety of reasons for their purchases.

Logan Nelson of Fort Myers was buying an AR-15 as a gift for his girlfriend.

“This is so we can hunt coyotes on our land lease in Georgia,” he said. “I wasn’t going to buy one until the talk about an assault rifle ban started. This will be a gun for us to strap on the four-wheeler.”

Dr. Bill Stier of Englewood was in the store to buy two Smith & Wesson AR-15s.

“Because I’m afraid there will be an overreaction to the terrible tragedy in Connecticut,” he said.

Lauren Williams, 24, who was at Fowler to look for accessories for the Glock 40 she got for her recent birthday, said she fully backs gun rights.

“It is never bad to be prepared,” she said. However, she cautioned, “If you’re irresponsible with weapons you shouldn’t have a gun.”

Meanwhile, the Dick’s Sporting Goods chain said Tuesday that it is suspending sales of some rifles nationwide because of the Sandy Hook Elementary shooting and Wal-Mart was reportedly suspending online sales of a rifle similar to the one the Connecticut shooter used.

Dick’s also said it’s removing all guns from display at its store closest to where the shootings took place.

Wall Street private equity firm Cerberus Capital Management said it will sell its stake in firearms maker Freedom Group, which makes one of the guns used in Friday’s mass shooting.
 
[h=2]After a 1996 Mass Shooting, Australia Enacted Strict Gun Laws. It Hasn't Had a Similar Massacre Since.[/h]
On April 28, 1996, a gunman opened fire on tourists in a seaside resort in Port Arthur, Tasmania. By the time he was finished, he had killed 35 people and wounded 23 more. It was the worst mass murder in Australia’s history.

Twelve days later, Australia’s government did something remarkable. Led by newly elected conservative Prime Minister John Howard, it announced a bipartisan deal with state and local governments to enact sweeping gun-control measures. A decade and a half hence, the results of these policy changes are clear: They worked really, really well.

At the heart of the push was a massive buyback of more than 600,000 semi-automatic shotguns and rifles, or about one-fifth of all firearms in circulation in Australia. The country’s new gun laws prohibited private sales, required that all weapons be individually registered to their owners, and required that gun buyers present a “genuine reason” for needing each weapon at the time of the purchase. (Self-defense did not count.) In the wake of the tragedy, polls showed public support for these measures at upwards of 90 percent.

What happened next has been the subject of several academic studies. Violent crime and gun-related deaths did not come to an end in Australia, of course. But as the Washington Post’s Wonkblog pointed out in August, homicides by firearm plunged 59 percent between 1995 and 2006, with no corresponding increase in non-firearm-related homicides. The drop in suicides by gun was even steeper: 65 percent.
read more: http://www.slate.com/blogs/crime/20...hooting_could_australia_s_laws_provide_a.html
 
[h=2]NRA STATEMENT[/h] [h=3]12/18/2012[/h] The National Rifle Association of America is made up of four million moms and dads, sons and daughters - and we were shocked, saddened and heartbroken by the news of the horrific and senseless murders in Newtown.
Out of respect for the families, and as a matter of common decency, we have given time for mourning, prayer and a full investigation of the facts before commenting.
The NRA is prepared to offer meaningful contributions to help make sure this never happens again.
The NRA is planning to hold a major news conference in the Washington, DC area on Friday, December 21.
Details will be released to the media at the appropriate time.
source: http://home.nra.org/#
 
[h=2]NRA STATEMENT[/h] [h=3]12/18/2012[/h] The National Rifle Association of America is made up of four million moms and dads, sons and daughters - and we were shocked, saddened and heartbroken by the news of the horrific and senseless murders in Newtown.
Out of respect for the families, and as a matter of common decency, we have given time for mourning, prayer and a full investigation of the facts before commenting.
The NRA is prepared to offer meaningful contributions to help make sure this never happens again.
The NRA is planning to hold a major news conference in the Washington, DC area on Friday, December 21.
Details will be released to the media at the appropriate time.
source: http://home.nra.org/#
This should be a very interesting news conference on Friday. I'm rather curious what spin the NRA will put on this.
 
The press were not allowed to ask questions. It wasn't a news conference, rather a commercial for more guns.

"Every school should be protected by armed security guards," said Mr Lapierre from the NRA.
But that would cost 5.5 billion dollars... and not even protect cinema's or shopping malls!

Next he blamed violent video games.
Those are played all over the world without causing mass murders. There are no shootings in Japan...

"The only way to stop a bad man with a gun, is a good man with a gun", claimed Mr. Lapierre.
The truth is that none of the perpetrators got killed by a good man with a gun. They committed suicide, or were captured alive...

The NRA still protects guns, instead of people!
 
Statement of Mayor Bloomberg in Response to NRA Press Conference 12/21/12

The NRA's Washington leadership has long been out of step with its members, and never has that been so apparent as this morning. Their press conference was a shameful evasion of the crisis facing our country. Instead of offering solutions to a problem they have helped create, they offered a paranoid, dystopian vision of a more dangerous and violent America where everyone is armed and no place is safe.

Leadership is about taking responsibility, especially in times of crisis. Today the NRA's lobbyists blamed everyone but themselves for the crisis of gun violence. While they promote armed guards, they continue to oppose the most basic and common sense steps we can take to save lives - not only in schools, but in our movie theaters, malls, and streets. Enough. As a country, we must rise above special interest politics. Every day, 34 Americans are murdered with guns.
That's why 74 percent of NRA members support common sense restrictions like criminal background checks for anyone buying a gun. It is time for Americans who care about the Second Amendment and reasonable gun restrictions to join together to work with the President and Congress to stop the gun violence in this country.
Demand a plan. Join us at: DemandAPlan.org
source: http://www.mikebloomberg.com/index.cfm?objectid=BEA2E63E-C29C-7CA2-F74E6DA8F1151161
 
Statement of Mayor Bloomberg in Response to NRA Press Conference 12/21/12

The NRA's Washington leadership has long been out of step with its members, and never has that been so apparent as this morning. Their press conference was a shameful evasion of the crisis facing our country. Instead of offering solutions to a problem they have helped create, they offered a paranoid, dystopian vision of a more dangerous and violent America where everyone is armed and no place is safe.

Leadership is about taking responsibility, especially in times of crisis. Today the NRA's lobbyists blamed everyone but themselves for the crisis of gun violence. While they promote armed guards, they continue to oppose the most basic and common sense steps we can take to save lives - not only in schools, but in our movie theaters, malls, and streets. Enough. As a country, we must rise above special interest politics. Every day, 34 Americans are murdered with guns.
That's why 74 percent of NRA members support common sense restrictions like criminal background checks for anyone buying a gun. It is time for Americans who care about the Second Amendment and reasonable gun restrictions to join together to work with the President and Congress to stop the gun violence in this country.
Demand a plan. Join us at: DemandAPlan.org
source: http://www.mikebloomberg.com/index.cfm?objectid=BEA2E63E-C29C-7CA2-F74E6DA8F1151161
There are a lot of things that I dislike about Mayor Bloomberg, and I did not vote for him for his second or third term, but I am 100% in agreement with him in his stance on gun control.
 
A survey amongst members of the NRA, shows most are in favour of background checks and a ban on semi automatic riffles. The chairman of the NRA Mr. Lapierre does represent his sponsors, the gun makers rather than his members.

The NRA is still protecting guns, instead of people!
 
[h=1]Pro-gun rights US petition to deport Piers Morgan[/h]Tens of thousands of people have signed a petition calling for British CNN host Piers Morgan to be deported from the U.S. over his gun control views. Morgan has taken an aggressive stand for tighter U.S. gun laws in the wake of the Newtown, Connecticut, school shooting. Last week, he called a gun advocate appearing on his "Piers Morgan Tonight" show an "unbelievably stupid man."
Now, gun rights activists are fighting back. A petition created Dec. 21 on the White House e-petition website by a user in Texas accuses Morgan of engaging in a "hostile attack against the U.S. Constitution" by targeting the Second Amendment. It demands he be deported immediately for "exploiting his position as a national network television host to stage attacks against the rights of American citizens."
The petition has already hit the 25,000 signature threshold to get a White House response. By Monday, it had 31,813 signatures.
Morgan seemed unfazed — and even amused — by the movement.
read more: http://news.yahoo.com/pro-gun-rights-us-petition-deport-piers-morgan-130319681.html

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So does that mean that we deport all the Americans that don't agree with our British way of life. Who the fuck do the gun people think they are. The second ammendment is completely out of date and needs to be thrown in the trash can.
 
So does that mean that we deport all the Americans that don't agree with our British way of life. Who the fuck do the gun people think they are. The second ammendment is completely out of date and needs to be thrown in the trash can.

Jon, I grieve for those families. Times like this make you realize that there is true evil in this world, but there is a process for changing the constitution and it requires another ammendment to recend the second ammendment. My views on gun control are not necessarily reflected in this statement nor am I going to debate that issue here, but I do support keeping these procedures in place because if we do not follow them, we risk loosing all of our rights. The procedure for this is a 2/3 vote on an ammendment in both houses of congress and ratification by the states. No court ruling nor any law passed by majority vote of the US congress and signed by the president can overturn the constitution. Any such action is justification for succession by any state because it is a violation of the document that was meant to protect the rights of the people from a possible corrupt government, which the founding fathers had experienced and knew could return. I feel it has returned and fully support keeping our laws in place to protect our rights. If the second ammendment is overturned, it must be done as prescribed by law. It isn't impossible to do. We have overturned ammendments before, but through the system as prescribed in the constitution.
 
Jon, I grieve for those families. Times like this make you realize that there is true evil in this world, but there is a process for changing the constitution and it requires another ammendment to recend the second ammendment. My views on gun control are not necessarily reflected in this statement nor am I going to debate that issue here, but I do support keeping these procedures in place because if we do not follow them, we risk loosing all of our rights. The procedure for this is a 2/3 vote on an ammendment in both houses of congress and ratification by the states. No court ruling nor any law passed by majority vote of the US congress and signed by the president can overturn the constitution. Any such action is justification for succession by any state because it is a violation of the document that was meant to protect the rights of the people from a possible corrupt government, which the founding fathers had experienced and knew could return. I feel it has returned and fully support keeping our laws in place to protect our rights. If the second ammendment is overturned, it must be done as prescribed by law. It isn't impossible to do. We have overturned ammendments before, but through the system as prescribed in the constitution.

Thanks for that Phantom - you are a fountain of knowledge and I appreciate the explanation. The problem is, is that the 2nd A is totally outdated and people do not need such an arsenal of weapons to protect themselves in their homes. Gone are they days of Wyatt Erp and Tomestone and John Wayne. We are now in the 2000s and if Reagan can persuade Gorbachev to reduce their nuclear arsenal than the banning of high calibre weapons for sale to the general public shouldn't be a big issue.

I don't know of any civilised European state that has such a law as your 2nd Ammendment. We employ our police and Armed forces to protect us..
 
I don't know of any civilised state worldwide that has such a law as the US 2nd Amendment.
 
My nephew is visiting from Germany and he brought Kinder eggs. Hollow chocolate eggs with a plastic container inside containing a toy. He brought 25 of them over. We were surprised he made it thru customs with them. US customs has apparently been confiscating them because they are a choking hazard. I can purchase a semi-automatic weapon here tomorrow, but not a Kinder egg. Go figure!
 
My nephew is visiting from Germany and he brought Kinder eggs. Hollow chocolate eggs with a plastic container inside containing a toy. He brought 25 of them over. We were surprised he made it thru customs with them. US customs has apparently been confiscating them because they are a choking hazard. I can purchase a semi-automatic weapon here tomorrow, but not a Kinder egg. Go figure!

I've had those they are really good. You made a really good point. It is pretty ridiculous how easy it is to get an automatic weapon. When the theatre shooting was here CNN went and bought the same automatic weapon in about an hour. :(
 
My nephew is visiting from Germany and he brought Kinder eggs. Hollow chocolate eggs with a plastic container inside containing a toy. He brought 25 of them over. We were surprised he made it thru customs with them. US customs has apparently been confiscating them because they are a choking hazard. I can purchase a semi-automatic weapon here tomorrow, but not a Kinder egg. Go figure!

LL, examples like that show how ridiculous it all is. The USA is supposed to be the most civilised country in the world but I'm afraid whilst your 2nd ammendment allows for the purchase of such weapons then it is not as far as a lot of other countries are concerened. With the recent NYC killings too, then I would imagine that soon all these shootings will affect tourism. If the killings continue it will be safer to visit Afghanistan.
 
It appears that a lot of US politicians are scared shitless of the NRA. I wonder why ?

Why indeed? It makes no sense to me either Jon. Yet it's for that very reason (the bewilderingly strong influence of the NRA) that I am pessimistic that much will change in the near term on gun control. I think there will be a whole lot of lofty words about creating a safer society. Then once the votes are tallied in Washington the only changes that will pass with enough votes will be only cosmetic bandaids to give those officials in power some political cover. I fear we may have a few more of these tragedies before we see any real reform. We can at least hope though that it's the beginning of what could eventually be some real change
 
So does that mean that we deport all the Americans that don't agree with our British way of life. Who the fuck do the gun people think they are. The second ammendment is completely out of date and needs to be thrown in the trash can.

Fortunately Jon the people who are so adamant in promoting their Second Amendment rights (the right to bear arms) and wanting Piers Morgan deported...don't have a legal leg to stand on. Morgan is well protected by the very same document they hold so dear. The First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution guarantees freedom of speech and freedom of the press.
 
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