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[tampa24]

I'm not aware of any others.

 

[juanjo]

Here's a recommendation I have just watched on the BBC of all places (anyone not familiar with aunty Beeb it's Britain's first TV channel and at times acts like it still is, very conservative) called the rise and fall of a porn star. Filmed over seven years it follows an Israli porn star called Jonathan Agassi, who at the beginning of the film was 24 and top of his game, filming for Lucas Entertainment. Jonathan was hot, horny and in demand, but as the film progresses its shows his decline into becoming an escort in Berlin and a drug addict till in the end he looks a sad reflection of his former self, with low esteem and no sex drive so unable to perform anymore. If you can download it's well worth a look at a darker side of the porn industry, filmed in Europe and Berlin.

As a [now retired] attorney who practiced in Northern California I represented a number of your men who were involved in the porn industry, as well as, were sex workers. My experience has been that those who sunk down into a spiral of substance abuse, failed relationships, suicide attempts, visits to county or state lock-up carried the seeds of that fall with them into the business. I am NOT blaming the actors but pointing out that for many of these guys it was a logical step for them to become involved in the industry. They did not do well in a regular 9 to 5 type work environment and had issues for a variety of reasons. Working porn allows them to make some money but not to have to conform to most societal mores. The sad thing is that the sex industry is one in which it is easy for someone already unstable to slide all the way down. Even if the company employing them is one of the more reliable ones who do not tolerate drugs or alcohol abuse on their properties, much less provide it to their actors [as has been the constant rumor concerning some production companies], the life is one in which people circulate who will happily assist the actors to engage in some very self-destructive activities and often assist them for some very dark reasons of their own. I do not know if there has ever been a study done on how many porn actors end up in bad situations by the end of the porn career [first we would have to define what "bad" meant] but the fact is that porn is a huge industry both in the US and elsewhere in the world. It would appear that most of the guys who end up in front of the camera are in the life for relatively short periods of time and then are off elsewhere doing something different but also something productive for themselves.

It is not a career I would advise anyone to consider as a permanent solution to their financial issues longterm but if the person understands going in that it is something that can be done for a relatively short period of time and must be understood for its benefits and also the very real shortfalls, it beats a lot of other dead-end jobs.

Fortunately for Mr. Agassi, it appears he has managed to pull himself out of the spiral depicted in the film. He has actually written a number of articles discussing it and has been interviewed by various media. https://www.theguardian.com/film/20...aved-my-life-porn-industry-documentary-israel

 

[lennybuttz]

As a [now retired] attorney who practiced in Northern California I represented a number of your men who were involved in the porn industry, as well as, were sex workers. My experience has been that those who sunk down into a spiral of substance abuse, failed relationships, suicide attempts, visits to county or state lock-up carried the seeds of that fall with them into the business. I am NOT blaming the actors but pointing out that for many of these guys it was a logical step for them to become involved in the industry. They did not do well in a regular 9 to 5 type work environment and had issues for a variety of reasons. Working porn allows them to make some money but not to have to conform to most societal mores. The sad thing is that the sex industry is one in which it is easy for someone already unstable to slide all the way down. Even if the company employing them is one of the more reliable ones who do not tolerate drugs or alcohol abuse on their properties, much less provide it to their actors [as has been the constant rumor concerning some production companies], the life is one in which people circulate who will happily assist the actors to engage in some very self-destructive activities and often assist them for some very dark reasons of their own. I do not know if there has ever been a study done on how many porn actors end up in bad situations by the end of the porn career [first we would have to define what "bad" meant] but the fact is that porn is a huge industry both in the US and elsewhere in the world. It would appear that most of the guys who end up in front of the camera are in the life for relatively short periods of time and then are off elsewhere doing something different but also something productive for themselves.

It is not a career I would advise anyone to consider as a permanent solution to their financial issues longterm but if the person understands going in that it is something that can be done for a relatively short period of time and must be understood for its benefits and also the very real shortfalls, it beats a lot of other dead-end jobs.

Fortunately for Mr. Agassi, it appears he has managed to pull himself out of the spiral depicted in the film. He has actually written a number of articles discussing it and has been interviewed by various media. https://www.theguardian.com/film/20...aved-my-life-porn-industry-documentary-israel

Blaming someone else for your problems is an all too common mistake. For some guys I'm sure the porn industry is a solution for the need for quick cash but if they didn't do porn they'd be doing something else for the money. Most likely they'd be doing some illegal and dangerous. Take away 1 opportunity is not going to change their need it's just going to make them find another outlet.

Porn isn't the problem, mental health is a huge problem and it's almost impossible to treatment for it. Even if you have insurance you have to wait 3 to 6 months for an appointment and then insurance only covers so many visits then you're left out in the cold again. If you don't have insurance you might as well forget about it.

Most of all people need to learn to accept responsibility for their own life instead of trying to blame everyone else.

 

[mikeyank]

As a [now retired] attorney who practiced in Northern California I represented a number of your men who were involved in the porn industry, as well as, were sex workers. My experience has been that those who sunk down into a spiral of substance abuse, failed relationships, suicide attempts, visits to county or state lock-up carried the seeds of that fall with them into the business. I am NOT blaming the actors but pointing out that for many of these guys it was a logical step for them to become involved in the industry. They did not do well in a regular 9 to 5 type work environment and had issues for a variety of reasons. Working porn allows them to make some money but not to have to conform to most societal mores. The sad thing is that the sex industry is one in which it is easy for someone already unstable to slide all the way down. Even if the company employing them is one of the more reliable ones who do not tolerate drugs or alcohol abuse on their properties, much less provide it to their actors [as has been the constant rumor concerning some production companies], the life is one in which people circulate who will happily assist the actors to engage in some very self-destructive activities and often assist them for some very dark reasons of their own. I do not know if there has ever been a study done on how many porn actors end up in bad situations by the end of the porn career [first we would have to define what "bad" meant] but the fact is that porn is a huge industry both in the US and elsewhere in the world. It would appear that most of the guys who end up in front of the camera are in the life for relatively short periods of time and then are off elsewhere doing something different but also something productive for themselves.

It is not a career I would advise anyone to consider as a permanent solution to their financial issues longterm but if the person understands going in that it is something that can be done for a relatively short period of time and must be understood for its benefits and also the very real shortfalls, it beats a lot of other dead-end jobs.

Fortunately for Mr. Agassi, it appears he has managed to pull himself out of the spiral depicted in the film. He has actually written a number of articles discussing it and has been interviewed by various media. https://www.theguardian.com/film/20...aved-my-life-porn-industry-documentary-israel

Blaming someone else for your problems is an all too common mistake. For some guys I'm sure the porn industry is a solution for the need for quick cash but if they didn't do porn they'd be doing something else for the money. Most likely they'd be doing some illegal and dangerous. Take away 1 opportunity is not going to change their need it's just going to make them find another outlet.

Porn isn't the problem, mental health is a huge problem and it's almost impossible to treatment for it. Even if you have insurance you have to wait 3 to 6 months for an appointment and then insurance only covers so many visits then you're left out in the cold again. If you don't have insurance you might as well forget about it.

Most of all people need to learn to accept responsibility for their own life instead of trying to blame everyone else.

I agree with you both. Check out David's recent youtube video of "Where Are They Now-Broke Straight Boys Part 2" and we discover how many died due to illegal activities or drug abuse, it shows that these type of guys are often attracted to the quick cash of doing gay porn. But I totally agree that most were predisposed to addiction issues and defying norms of society way before they went into porn and it was not the porn that lead to their demise or ending up in jail, but rather the end result of their lifestyle.

 

[lennybuttz]

How often do we hear about the porn stars and strippers who used their porn money to pay for college or start a business and moved on to a successful career? I bet there are a lot of success storied we don't know about.

 

[mikeyank]

How often do we hear about the porn stars and strippers who used their porn money to pay for college or start a business and moved on to a successful career? I bet there are a lot of success storied we don't know about.

David, Mark or Sha would have to answer that question more fully, but I know of one example and there is video footage to prove it. That was the great Logan, (always in my top 5 of greatest models ever). Logan filmed for David and performed in 15 scenes released between April 2009 - January 2010. However he returned for a BTS interview with Sha at market Days in Chicago, released on August 28, 2011.

Logan came to the gay pride event on his own two years after he finished filming for David. Logan tells Sha that he is his his third year of undergraduate work at college with one year to go before he was about to go for his PHD in Chemistry - Research & Development. He tells Sha that he was spending sixty hours a week working in the research lab, in addition to being on his college water skiing team, plus playing intramural soccer. He looks fantastic as he had put on twenty pounds of muscle in the two years after Broke Straight Boys He also talks about how he expanded his outlook on sexuality after filming for Broke Straight Boys In fact he said that night he was going to be with a girl, and the next night perhaps he would be grinding with a dude. It is a fantastic interview with a beautiful man, inside and outside.

This is the interview. You may have to download it as I just did as the streaming was not working but it is well worth your time, especially if you are a fan of Logan!!!!!

https://members.brokestraightboys.com/play/ODk0/2011-chicago-market-days-with-logan

2011 Chicago Market Days With Logan 08-28-2011

PS If you want to check out his sex scenes check out his model page as well.

https://members.brokestraightboys.com/modelpage.php?id=75

 

[lennybuttz]

I'm not sure if it was Logan or someone else David mentioned who went on to college and became a psychiatrist, David also mentioned Dany who I thought was absolutely adorable, as being a highly successful business man. Diesal is married with children and has a good job. There was another guy who started his own cabinetry business. I'm sure there are many more success stories.

 

[mikeyank]

David reads this forum. Hopefully he sees these posts and chimes in!

 

[tampa24]

My experience has been that those who sunk down into a spiral of substance abuse, failed relationships, suicide attempts, visits to county or state lock-up carried the seeds of that fall with them into the business. I am NOT blaming the actors but pointing out that for many of these guys it was a logical step for them to become involved in the industry. They did not do well in a regular 9 to 5 type work environment and had issues for a variety of reasons. Working porn allows them to make some money but not to have to conform to most societal mores. The sad thing is that the sex industry is one in which it is easy for someone already unstable to slide all the way down. Even if the company employing them is one of the more reliable ones who do not tolerate drugs or alcohol abuse on their properties, much less provide it to their actors [as has been the constant rumor concerning some production companies], the life is one in which people circulate who will happily assist the actors to engage in some very self-destructive activities and often assist them for some very dark reasons of their own. I do not know if there has ever been a study done on how many porn actors end up in bad situations by the end of the porn career [first we would have to define what "bad" meant] but the fact is that porn is a huge industry both in the US and elsewhere in the world. It would appear that most of the guys who end up in front of the camera are in the life for relatively short periods of time and then are off elsewhere doing something different but also something productive for themselves.

It is not a career I would advise anyone to consider as a permanent solution to their financial issues longterm but if the person understands going in that it is something that can be done for a relatively short period of time and must be understood for its benefits and also the very real shortfalls, it beats a lot of other dead-end jobs.

Fortunately for Mr. Agassi, it appears he has managed to pull himself out of the spiral depicted in the film. He has actually written a number of articles discussing it and has been interviewed by various media. https://www.theguardian.com/film/20...aved-my-life-porn-industry-documentary-israel

Great conversation guys!

Yes. Juanjo. I've heard those same rumors of other adult video companies that did this also as far as actually providing drugs. And thereby not just condoning drug use, but actively encouraging it. [I have never heard such a rumor about Broke Straight Boys Though there might be a former staff member who went on to do some shady abhorrent stuff later on.] Let's not kid ourselves about some of these porn site staffs' malevolent intentions and ulterior motives of the ones who do provide drugs to models. Sometimes they are used for the very sinister purpose of coercing, controlling, and even raping the models.

 

[tampa24]

I agree with you both. Check out David's recent youtube video of "Where Are They Now-Broke Straight Boys Part 2" and we discover how many died due to illegal activities or drug abuse, it shows that these type of guys are often attracted to the quick cash of doing gay porn. But I totally agree that most were predisposed to addiction issues and defying norms of society way before they went into porn and it was not the porn that lead to their demise or ending up in jail, but rather the end result of their lifestyle.

Oh my gosh. Truer words... Yeah.

We can try to get into the chicken and the egg argument over who is most to blame for a porn model's life going to hell in a handbasket. Porn industry vs. Model. Model vs. Porn industry. While the adult video industry is certainly not the most wholesome, morally upright and innocent line of work...and I don't let them off the hook for any model who gets used, abused and kicked to the curb once he's been used up by the studio(s), only to end up an unrecoverable tailspin from the horrific experience. It's horrible and disgusting! And I condemn it in the strongest terms. It's also true however that some of these guys arrived already with the emotional baggage, addictive and self-destructive predispositions, various mental health diagnoses and other personal demons that carried the seeds of their own later downfalls.

So it's not a black and white, one size fits all kind of question as far as who is to blame if or when a model's life unravels.

 

[tampa24]

How often do we hear about the porn stars and strippers who used their porn money to pay for college or start a business and moved on to a successful career? I bet there are a lot of success storied we don't know about.

That happens too! Yes. I've heard of that. And not just on Broke Straight Boys

 

[Frontier]

I'm getting excited because I'm pretty sure we'll get an answer from the Supreme Court about the gay marriage case by the end of this month. I'm pretty sure they voted on it very shortly after the heard arguments on it. Then they keep the decision under wraps for weeks or even months before they let the public know. lol I don't why that is. I'm fairly convinced though that their decision is going to go our way. *fingers crossed*

I'm not an attorney and know nothing about constitutional law but I think it takes a very special person/mindset to say "ya know I don't believe in gay marriage but when interpreting the constitution it establishes that it is a protected right." I doubt we will see that from this group. There is a reason Trump appointed such Conservative Judges. He's a homophobe, no one with his personality structure could every accept a gay man as equal and certainly none of us deserve any rights or protections. If we didn't have a constitution he'd build a wall just for us.

 

[Frontier]

I agree Tampa. From reading public opinion polls over the last few years, I believe that with the exception of "religious nuts", most people in this country have the attitude that they all know gay people, recognize that we are here throughout the population including friends, family, co-workers and if same sex couples want to marry, why shouldn't they? It seems like a no brainer to me.

I agree that the american popularization has significantly altered their perceptions of gay people. https://news.gallup.com/poll/257705/support-gay-marriage-stable.aspx but they are not sitting on the Supreme Court. I hope I'm wrong because as much as we gained by achieving the right to marry we still have and will continue to have people and groups that, at best, think we are "sick puppies" that need them to show us our evil ways. This will never go away, it can only be tempered and controlled by due vigilance. https://www.crf-usa.org/brown-v-board-50th-anniversary/homosexuals-rights.html

 

[Frontier]

I visited a much older friend in the hospital yesterday who's not doing well at all. He is one of the first people I've ever met who was actually at the Stonewall Inn on that first night of the riots. He describes having the police beat him in the back with billy clubs...and how to this day he still has some back issues because of it. The drag queens were screaming like murder because they were being singled out for some of the worst physical abuse. Of course as we know now, they suddenly decided enough was enough and they were going to fight back physically against the police. The crowds outside began shouting and screaming against the police and in support of the those resisting the police's efforts to arrest everybody who had been in the bar. What a night it must have been. If I could time travel back there to just observe the events of that night, I would. lol

If it wasn't for that fortunate/unfortunate night we might not be where we are today. I think it, in a very real way, open up our minds and to say "We will no longer let you abuse us, we will no longer let you beat us we will no longer let you humiliate us. We are human and we have the right to respect and protection under the law.

 

[Frontier]

Do you remember the days (the 60's, 70's, 80's and even 90's) when it was extremely common for people to say that they didn't personally know any gay people? lol It sounds so silly now. If people thought they didn't know any gay people in their own daily lives, it was only because a homophobic society had kept those gay acquaintances, friends and family members in the closet. Because it was physically dangerous and not good for either finding a job or keeping a job, to be out in those eras.

When discussing gay marriage with a minister he responded with an obvious statement "your not responsible for who you fall in love with". https://www.prri.org/spotlight/lgbt-pride-month-social-contact-gay-lesbian-transgender-individuals/

 

[Frontier]

I didn't realize that this thread had been started so long ago, so some of my comments are dealing not with what happened in the recent past but more with the gay issues that the Supreme Court is addressing now as it relates to gay rights, Sorry

 

[tampa24]

No apologies needed Frontier. History is always being seen through a different prism of "reality" due to changing social mores and hopefully an ever evolving moral and spiritual perspective that usually accompanies the passage of time. No need to regret or apologize for having and expressing opinions on things that are either recent or farther in the past.

 

[Jaybifla]

I started posting on this forum well over a year ago. I’ve had my ups and downs. I’ve gotten into some arguments with a few, and I’ve even made some special friendships with people I’ve argued with. I also know that there are some that don’t like me at all, and that makes me sad. I’ve tried to be a positive voice on this forum and always try to lead with kindness. I initiate a good portion of the threads on the forum and try to lead interesting conversations. I don’t expect for everyone to like the same models that I do. I’ve spoken up before when people have made comments that make me mad, and sometimes I bite my tongue. I never thought I would see a sarcastic, nasty remark on a thread for a model on their birthday. A person’s birthday is the one day out of the year for them to feel special. My threads for Casey and Ryan this week were for them and for people to leave good wishes. I did the same birthday threads last year for a few people, and one of them was for a model that isn’t one of my favorites. It was meant to be a positive thing for them on their special day. I don’t know if they read the forum, but I wanted them to know that someone thought of them on their birthday.
There have also been a couple of comments from people suggesting that the forum has felt like an unsafe place to participate because of negativity. I just don’t want to be a part of that at all. I was really trying to be kind and be a productive member with my GIFS, avatars, comments, scene reviews, birthday threads and photos. I try to be funny and engaging with everyone. I always speak up for diversity, and I always cheer on the underdog. Going forward I will no longer initiate any threads on any topics, and I will not be participating any further on the forum at all. You can think it’s petty, or silly, and all of that, but I just don’t feel like putting in any more effort.
Be safe, be healthy, and vote in November. Peace and Love.

 

[mikeyank]

I started posting on this forum well over a year ago. I’ve had my ups and downs. I’ve gotten into some arguments with a few, and I’ve even made some special friendships with people I’ve argued with. I also know that there are some that don’t like me at all, and that makes me sad. I’ve tried to be a positive voice on this forum and always try to lead with kindness. I initiate a good portion of the threads on the forum and try to lead interesting conversations. I don’t expect for everyone to like the same models that I do. I’ve spoken up before when people have made comments that make me mad, and sometimes I bite my tongue. I never thought I would see a sarcastic, nasty remark on a thread for a model on their birthday. A person’s birthday is the one day out of the year for them to feel special. My threads for Casey and Ryan this week were for them and for people to leave good wishes. I did the same birthday threads last year for a few people, and one of them was for a model that isn’t one of my favorites. It was meant to be a positive thing for them on their special day. I don’t know if they read the forum, but I wanted them to know that someone thought of them on their birthday.
There have also been a couple of comments from people suggesting that the forum has felt like an unsafe place to participate because of negativity. I just don’t want to be a part of that at all. I was really trying to be kind and be a productive member with my GIFS, avatars, comments, scene reviews, birthday threads and photos. I try to be funny and engaging with everyone. I always speak up for diversity, and I always cheer on the underdog. Going forward I will no longer initiate any threads on any topics, and I will not be participating any further on the forum at all. You can think it’s petty, or silly, and all of that, but I just don’t feel like putting in any more effort.
Be safe, be healthy, and vote in November. Peace and Love.

I love having you on this forum Jay and I certainly would hope that you would return at some point, hopefully sooner rather than later. You are a very good man with a voice that is most definitely needed on this forum.

 

[lennybuttz]

I started posting on this forum well over a year ago. I’ve had my ups and downs. I’ve gotten into some arguments with a few, and I’ve even made some special friendships with people I’ve argued with. I also know that there are some that don’t like me at all, and that makes me sad. I’ve tried to be a positive voice on this forum and always try to lead with kindness. I initiate a good portion of the threads on the forum and try to lead interesting conversations. I don’t expect for everyone to like the same models that I do. I’ve spoken up before when people have made comments that make me mad, and sometimes I bite my tongue. I never thought I would see a sarcastic, nasty remark on a thread for a model on their birthday. A person’s birthday is the one day out of the year for them to feel special. My threads for Casey and Ryan this week were for them and for people to leave good wishes. I did the same birthday threads last year for a few people, and one of them was for a model that isn’t one of my favorites. It was meant to be a positive thing for them on their special day. I don’t know if they read the forum, but I wanted them to know that someone thought of them on their birthday.
There have also been a couple of comments from people suggesting that the forum has felt like an unsafe place to participate because of negativity. I just don’t want to be a part of that at all. I was really trying to be kind and be a productive member with my GIFS, avatars, comments, scene reviews, birthday threads and photos. I try to be funny and engaging with everyone. I always speak up for diversity, and I always cheer on the underdog. Going forward I will no longer initiate any threads on any topics, and I will not be participating any further on the forum at all. You can think it’s petty, or silly, and all of that, but I just don’t feel like putting in any more effort.
Be safe, be healthy, and vote in November. Peace and Love.

Dude don't take things so seriously, I'm sorry I hurt your feelings. Sometimes I am negative, sometimes I think I'm funny when I'm not. Shit happens, tell me to go to hell or whatever.