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Quotes from Abe Lincoln....for real...Google it

Well, ya know those words like "racist" and "bigot" are pretty worn out. They are usually thrown at people who don't tow the liberal line. Was Lincoln a "racist"? Well first somebody has to define that word. I think that most people would say he was. But so what? There is nothing wrong with that. You are allowed to have opinions that are popular or unpopular. I don't fault Lincoln for what he said. I merely like to point out that he was not what people think he was.

One's beliefs can be critisized but you cannot critisize one for holding those beliefs.

I disagree about the IQ thing. Bush graduated from Yale and Harvard. His grades were higher than John Kerry's when they both were at Yale, according to the NY Times (shock!).


P.S. If you were not such a little guy I would challenge you to one of those oil soaked submission wrestling matches! he he he

The words bigot and racist are pretty unequivocal words actually, and apply to a pretty specific set of attitudes. If they are thrown around as metaphorical insults like the genetically impossible "son of a bitch", then you're right. And if liberals use them more, it's only because the white right in the US tends to have less fellow feeling in general with colored and other minorities than the white left.

IQ isn't subject to disagreement, it's a numerical score based on an exam. But I agree that I don't actually have the remotest idea what Bush's score on the test was or might be. I have known people who sound like Bush, who have very low IQs. Bush reeks intellectual (small "i") mediocrity or worse. He was a joke. He was a joke, all over the world. The idea that he might be smarter than Kerry but only suffer from some kind of speaking and thinking disability is possible, but it certainly had never occurred to me. I used to despise him, but I'm happy now just to say he's a joke and let it go.

My size wouldn't be an impediment to a match. I'm strong and agile. And I wouldn't mind losing anyway. Well, I'd rather win, but the lure of the experience would be a bigger pull than the fear of losing a deterrent. Naked? or with those speedo things? or those skimpy filmy nylon track boxers?
 
The words bigot and racist are pretty unequivocal words actually, and apply to a pretty specific set of attitudes. If they are thrown around as metaphorical insults like the genetically impossible "son of a bitch", then you're right. And if liberals use them more, it's only because the white right in the US tends to have less fellow feeling in general with colored and other minorities than the white left.

IQ isn't subject to disagreement, it's a numerical score based on an exam. But I agree that I don't actually have the remotest idea what Bush's score on the test was or might be. I have known people who sound like Bush, who have very low IQs. Bush reeks intellectual (small "i") mediocrity or worse. He was a joke. He was a joke, all over the world. The idea that he might be smarter than Kerry but only suffer from some kind of speaking and thinking disability is possible, but it certainly had never occurred to me. I used to despise him, but I'm happy now just to say he's a joke and let it go.

My size wouldn't be an impediment to a match. I'm strong and agile. And I wouldn't mind losing anyway. Well, I'd rather win, but the lure of the experience would be a bigger pull than the fear of losing a deterrent. Naked? or with those speedo things? or those skimpy filmy nylon track boxers?

Oh Slim, God love ya. We are miles and miles apart on the politics.

I'll see if I can match you up with a little guy! Go to Google and check out "Turkish Oil Wrestling"
 
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The Revolution was technically treason. The Declaration of Independence sets out the moral justification for Independence, not the legal one.

The only way any revolution can be "legitimate" is when you win.

We must, indeed, all hang together or, most assuredly, we shall all hang separately. Benjamin Franklin

And while you can construe that the document's silence on the subject gives the states the power to secede, one can also argue that since the founding fathers put in a way to join the union but are silent on leaving it means it's a one way street.

Yours,

Jayce

The Declaration was cited as legal and moral justification and as historical precedent. The same citation was given by the New England states when they considered secession in 1803 (Resolution of the Massachusetts legislature) and again in Decemer, 1814 at the "Hartford Convention" of Mass., R.I., Conn., N.H. and Vermont. Maine was not then a state. Josiah Quincy of Mass. was the leading congressional advocate of secession of these states.

That which is not expressly forbidden is allowed to the individual states.
 
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???? I have not been there, but friends tell me that Atlanta is a very cosmopolitan city? Why does it suck, if you are not black?

Mike



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Wednesday, January 16, 2008

<DIV class="post hentry">Black Culture Or Indecent Exposure... Cries Of "Racism" Regarding Proposed Law Banning Sagging Pants


Atlanta, GA
Metro area negroes crowded into a recent Atlanta City Council meeting to voice belligerent opinions and contempt for a proposed amendment that would make "sagging pants" a crime.

Some asserted that the amendment is "racist" apparently based on the fact that sagging pants are a part of "black culture", because White people don't wear their pants that way. LOL.


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Some call it a fashion trend and a cultural expression, others say it's simply indecent exposure.
The Atlanta City Council heard more public comments Wednesday night over a controversial amendment to ban baggy pants in Atlanta.

For Chris Franklin, it’s a cultural image, a strong statement, an undeniable part of his identity.

“Cause I’ve been doing it for so long, like for so long. I ain't going to stop sagging my pants cause they made a law. I'm still going to sag my pants, you know,” said Franklin. “It's just natural. The black culture do it - everybody you see. Most everybody from the black culture you're going to see them sag their pants.”

“It might be a racist thing because I don't see no white people sagging their pants, because they have their pants up, right here, to above their stomach. They might have it way up here you know,” said Franklin, motioning to his stomach. “But black culture they ain't going to have their pants way up here that ain't something you can make a black person do, pull up their pants. They ain't going to listen to ya'll. They're not going to listen.”

And it's an image, a statement, and an identity, Franklin says he's going to keep wearing.


2. March 2004 - USA - Georgia [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif](checked Feb 2005)[/FONT]





[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Ashburn - third Racist hoax in the US this Month! a Black couple, Patrick and Shanda Burwell blamed savage white racists for burning down their home. In fact, they set the fire to collect insurance money. It might not have been the first time either...[/FONT]



3.


Black Female Sheriff


Hires Her Own!




Non-minority Officers Win Reverse




Discrimination Lawsuit



16 non-minority (mostly white) deputies in Georgia’s Fulton County Marshall’s department were forced to sue this Georgia police department for ‘reverse discrimination’.



Defendants: Ms. Jackie Barrett is the Fulton County, Georgia sheriff who imposed ‘reverse discrimination’ on the white officers in her department. Ms. Barrett is a black female who was elected to the Sheriff’s job as a democrat. The Court found that Ms. Barrett and the Fulton County, Georgia Sheriff’s department were guilty of practicing ‘reverse discrimination’ and ‘anti-white diversity’ policies in this Georgia police department. The Court found that Ms. Barrett’s policies systematically excluded qualified ‘non-minority’ employees of the department from advancement solely for racial reasons.




Update September 2004







Sheriff Jackie Barrett of Fulton County GA was suspened by Georgia Gov. Sonny Perdue in September 2004 for stealing money from the taxpayers of Fulton County. Ms. Barrett is currently under investigation by the IRS and the U.S. Department of Justice.





The Court found in favor of the 16 ‘non-minority’ complainants, and has directed that they be paid $812,000 in damages (which amount includes $180,000 in punitive damages assessed against the Fulton County Marshall’s Department).


Fulton County, Georgia officials have stated for the record that "If the $180,000 punitive damage award is allowed to stand, we think Sheriff Jackie Barrett should have to pay this amount out of her personal funds."


Feb. 6, 1996: Appeal by Fulton County, seeking to overturn the Judge’s finding of ‘reverse discrimination’ against the 16 non-minority officers. Fulton County democrats felt so strongly about this issue that they spent $244,000 of taxpayer funds opposing and appealling the Judge’s Order against Fulton County. Hmm. Using your tax dollars to fight against your constitutional rights... it doesn't sound right, does it?



Well, Ms. Sheriff Jackie Barrett, it seems that your ‘reverse discrimination’ is going to cost you a lot of money! We hope that your unconstitutional, prejudiced management style has a significant, negative impact on your paycheck!

 
More about why atlanta is a shit place to live.

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"I worked for a call center once and we took orders for several high-end catalogs. The top priority was that you have good speaking skills on the phone and it was stated this way in the employment ad. Numerous times we had young black women who were from I guess you would call lower income areas apply for job, who had incredibly bad speaking skills. We had a standard script we would make everyone read as part of their application process. On more than one occasion what we would hear would be to the effect of, "Um.. yeah, hello. So, what chu be wantin' toodAY?" When the girls were told they did not pass the diction part of the test, the very first things out of their mouths would be an accusation of racism, usually followed by some sort of complaint filed with the state. Every time it would fall in favor of the company after the state reps heard the complainants speak, but that's a good example of how someone who isn't qualified for a job uses a race card sometimes if they don't get a job, a raise, etc. "

"As far as cases of so-called "reverse-racism", there was a highly talked about case not long ago in the Atlanta area where a black fire chief did not promote several white workers who had seniority and better test scores, and instead placed an unqualified black employee above them. They filed suit and won I think an undisclosed amount of money because of it. Another case would be when Sheriff Victor Hill was put into place in Clayton County and immediately for no reason fired just about every white deputy they had, along with any black deputies that protested it. That was on the news for months. He was ordered to rehire them, and did so, but then re-fired some for no good reason he could produce, and I'm not sure but some of that may still be tied into the courts right now and unresolved. "

"There was also a case where a black police officer didn't like some comments his black chief was saying about promotions, so he took a hidden recorder into the chief's office where he was caught saying, "I'm not giving those white ass crackers a promotion over a brother...” They played this recording on the news for a couple of weeks. And let's not forget the time Atlanta's last Mayor (who's now in prison) slipped up and was recorded calling someone a "smart ass white boy"... which prompted a company to start selling T-shirts and caps that had "S.A.W.B." on them (sold a lot, too)."






Fulton judge says he regrets his 'Bill Cosby moment'
Marvin Arrington sent the whites out of court before rebuking black defendants

By STEVE VISSER
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 04/02/08
Fulton Superior Court Judge Marvin Arrington routinely sees young men who are near the end of their line.
The Fulton County judge calls them his "captive audience" and every Thursday -- sentencing day -- he gives them a piece of his mind about eventually getting a degree and getting a job before sending them to prison for years.
Special
Judge Marvin Arrington

Last Thursday, the judge now admits, he went too far. He said he looked out a 50 or so black defendants and asked all white people in the courtroom to leave.
"I wanted to have a fireside chat," he said of his decision to re-segregate the courtroom on the fifth floor of the Justice Towers. "And my grandmother said years ago that if you're going to fuss at black people, you don't need to do it in front of white people."
"I didn't know it was going to be so controversial," he said. "I probably made a bad judgment call and I probably won't do it again. It was not ill-intended. My heart was in the right place."
Arrington said that for him it was just a Bill Cosby moment in which he delivered a harsh indictment that bad behavior in poorer black neighborhoods was an albatross on black advancement. Unlike Cosby, who has received some criticism among blacks for delivering such messages, Arrington said the defendants and their families gave him a standing ovation after his 10-minute talk.
Arrington said he won't shut up in the future, but he'll be mindful of being more inclusive.
He said when he was younger he avoided bad choices because he had a mother who gave good advice, schoolteachers who took an interest and a father whose retribution he feared. Today, he said, "babies having babies" and parents who don't act like parents have made what were always tough neighborhoods far worse.
Just as important, he said, he always had a job -- throwing papers, waiting tables, working as a janitor and field hand -- as he made his way through high school, college and law school. Arrington started what he said was the first integrated law firm in Atlanta, got elected to City Council, ran and was defeated for mayor and now is a Superior Court judge with a penchant for speaking his mind.
The plaque on his desk in chambers says: "Even when I'm wrong, I'm right."
 
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Mitch, where do you GET this stuff? Why?

Beltless jeans and cargo pants that slip down over the butt shelf are a part of black culture copied by Broke Straight Boys aged guys all over the world. My main address is in the medieval part of Palma, and directly opposite the street door is a private high school (not the one in that story about the roof-fuck) where excruciatingly cute hotties come and go with their jeans waistbands almost cutting in UNDER their gluteal muscles.

The origin or this phenomenon as a fashion trend is sort of cringe-making and tragic, touching. When the older brothers of ghetto kids got sent to the slammer and had their belts and shoelaces taken away from them for security, their pants slid down over their haunches. The younger brothers on the street wore the look as a badge of pride, that their role model buzzy had done something bad enough to get put inside. They also went shoelaceless as well, but it was the saggers that caught the attention of the world's male youth.

One school in Italy has attempted to outlaw the fashion, just like some schools have tried to outlaw the very attractive fashion for girls of wearing a headscarf covering their hair and wound loosely around their necks.

The Italian scandal arose on a school visit to the Vatican, where one boy's saggers slipped the extra inch over the edge of his bubblebutt, and ended up crumpled around his ankles. So there he was in his really thin boxer briefs, 15 pamphlets in his hands, bending over trying to get his pants back up (hard to do without unbuttoning and unzipping) while his outraged teacher lost it and started screaming at him. Paparazzi descended. The photos were worthy of a twink porn fetish site. google it and they might come up.

It happened to me in October at Heathrow, in the finger, boarding the plane for Palma. I was still beltless from the metal detector, and had a bunch of tiddly stuff to carry for my companion, a couple of yards behind. She was obliged to watch as my jeans inched down, millimeter by millimeter, over my butt and down my thighs. I knew my pants were slipping, but didn't twig till it was too late to the fact that they'd fallen off and had reached ankle point. I had to put down all my stuff as the rest of the plane boarded on past me, and get them back up. One woman breathed, "Hot" as she went by. It's a great trend. Terrifically comfortable. Ah ain't gonna give up mah saggers fo' no one.
 
Saggers

My main address is in the medieval part of Palma, and directly opposite the street door is a private high school (not the one in that story about the roof-fuck) where excruciatingly cute hotties come and go with their jeans waistbands almost cutting in UNDER their gluteal muscles.

The Italian scandal arose on a school visit to the Vatican, where one boy's saggers slipped the extra inch over the edge of his bubblebutt, and ended up crumpled around his ankles. So there he was in his really thin boxer briefs..... The photos were worthy of a twink porn fetish site. google it and they might come up.
There are many "twink porn fetish sites" that feature teens in their "sagger" style, most are white boys who are skaters or just into skater gear. Many of these white boys have the tats and facial jewelry as well.

As I have said in a different thread, I made up my mind back in the late 60's, when the older generation found our long hair and sideburns, as well as bell bottom jeans to be "disgusting", and showed a lack of respect to "decent society", that I would not be a similar "out of touch" older man, when I became an adult.

To me, some of today's youth's fashion is very sexy, and some I do not "get", but I keep my mouth shut and let the youth be young, and as we used to say, back in the day, "let your freak flag fly".

To condemn a city, or a group of youths, dressing in their own style, because it is "different" is not my way of thinking at all. And especially as a gay man, I am probably more tolerant, as I don't want any homophobes telling me that what I do or enjoy doesn't conform with "normal society". I love freedom, and say, "live and let live".

Mike
 
Mitch, where do you GET this stuff? Why?

Beltless jeans and cargo pants that slip down over the butt shelf are a part of black culture copied by Broke Straight Boys aged guys all over the world. My main address is in the medieval part of Palma, and directly opposite the street door is a private high school (not the one in that story about the roof-fuck) where excruciatingly cute hotties come and go with their jeans waistbands almost cutting in UNDER their gluteal muscles.

The origin or this phenomenon as a fashion trend is sort of cringe-making and tragic, touching. When the older brothers of ghetto kids got sent to the slammer and had their belts and shoelaces taken away from them for security, their pants slid down over their haunches. The younger brothers on the street wore the look as a badge of pride, that their role model buzzy had done something bad enough to get put inside. They also went shoelaceless as well, but it was the saggers that caught the attention of the world's male youth.

One school in Italy has attempted to outlaw the fashion, just like some schools have tried to outlaw the very attractive fashion for girls of wearing a headscarf covering their hair and wound loosely around their necks.

The Italian scandal arose on a school visit to the Vatican, where one boy's saggers slipped the extra inch over the edge of his bubblebutt, and ended up crumpled around his ankles. So there he was in his really thin boxer briefs, 15 pamphlets in his hands, bending over trying to get his pants back up (hard to do without unbuttoning and unzipping) while his outraged teacher lost it and started screaming at him. Paparazzi descended. The photos were worthy of a twink porn fetish site. google it and they might come up.

It happened to me in October at Heathrow, in the finger, boarding the plane for Palma. I was still beltless from the metal detector, and had a bunch of tiddly stuff to carry for my companion, a couple of yards behind. She was obliged to watch as my jeans inched down, millimeter by millimeter, over my butt and down my thighs. I knew my pants were slipping, but didn't twig till it was too late to the fact that they'd fallen off and had reached ankle point. I had to put down all my stuff as the rest of the plane boarded on past me, and get them back up. One woman breathed, "Hot" as she went by. It's a great trend. Terrifically comfortable. Ah ain't gonna give up mah saggers fo' no one.


Dammit Slim, the guy asked me a question and I gave him 5 answers, did you not see Mike's question about why I don't like Atlanta? He asked and I answered. Did you bother to read the other 4 articles?
 
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There are many "twink porn fetish sites" that feature teens in their "sagger" style, most are white boys who are skaters or just into skater gear. Many of these white boys have the tats and facial jewelry as well.

As I have said in a different thread, I made up my mind back in the late 60's, when the older generation found our long hair and sideburns, as well as bell bottom jeans to be "disgusting", and showed a lack of respect to "decent society", that I would not be a similar "out of touch" older man, when I became an adult.

To me, some of today's youth's fashion is very sexy, and some I do not "get", but I keep my mouth shut and let the youth be young, and as we used to say, back in the day, "let your freak flag fly".

To condemn a city, or a group of youths, dressing in their own style, because it is "different" is not my way of thinking at all. And especially as a gay man, I am probably more tolerant, as I don't want any homophobes telling me that what I do or enjoy doesn't conform with "normal society". I love freedom, and say, "live and let live".

Mike


Did you miss the other 4 articles?
 
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Did you miss the other 4 articles? Don't want to talk about those do you?

I'll go back and have a look. You fucking must know by now dear man that I want to talk about ANYTHING. Especially with you. :001_tt1::001_tt1::001_tt1:

Hang on, maybe I noticed those too. It was a bunch of black guys doing dumb stuff, assembled to prove that Atlanta sucks? And corrupt officials slanting justice toward blacks instead of away from them like before? I admit that I've picked up a lot of European attitudes over here, such as awe and respect for the stuff black people do so well that Europeans are essentially klutzy about, ballet, music, theatre, humor, presidential politics, stocks and bonds. I just don't get into conversations usually with people who whine about them. You're different because I'd get into a conversation about the fascinating beauty of a leaky faucet with you if you were into that, or anything else. Those are funny stories, and I can see why you'd hate Atlanta if that sort of stuff gets to you, or in any way embitters your existence. I guess the jist of it is that Atlanta is great for blacks, and hell for whites? Taking your word for it, OK?

I would prefer to wrassle you mister. I don't mean to get to Turkey this summer.
 
I'll go back and have a look. You fucking must know by now dear man that I want to talk about ANYTHING. Especially with you. :001_tt1::001_tt1::001_tt1:

Hang on, maybe I noticed those too. It was a bunch of black guys doing dumb stuff, assembled to prove that Atlanta sucks? And corrupt officials slanting justice toward blacks instead of away from them like before? I admit that I've picked up a lot of European attitudes over here, such as awe and respect for the stuff black people do so well that Europeans are essentially klutzy about, ballet, music, theatre, humor, presidential politics, stocks and bonds. I just don't get into conversations usually with people who whine about them. You're different because I'd get into a conversation about the fascinating beauty of a leaky faucet with you if you were into that, or anything else. Those are funny stories, and I can see why you'd hate Atlanta if that sort of stuff gets to you, or in any way embitters your existence. I guess the jist of it is that Atlanta is great for blacks, and hell for whites? Taking your word for it, OK?

I would prefer to wrassle you mister. I don't mean to get to Turkey this summer.


I wonder how facinated those Europeans would be if we shipped them about 35 million of their favorite people? They would change their tune real quick when the murder rate went up about 700%.


Those articles are not isolated incidents. Don't try to gloss over them and make light of them. It goes on all the time, daily. I did not even get into how those "middle class blacks" made their money: minority set-aside contracts that always result in inferior, behind schedule, over budget, work that falls apart or never gets done. I know about this stuff because I know a black woman who told me she was getting rich by doing nothing. Her is how the scam works: No city contract is awarded unless the company doing the bidding is at least 20% minority owned, usually the bid goes to a 100% minority owned company, regardless of whether they submit the low bid or the high bid. So, white contractors who want a city contract must give away a 20% interest in each project, for which they create a new LLC each time, to a "minority" owner. The minority owner does nothing, contributes no capital and no work. They just sign the paperword as the required "minority partner" and then sit back and get rich. So effectively the taxpayer is footing the bill for a surcharge to create black wealth which is given to them on a silver platter for doing nothing and contributing nothing. I know this because a black subcontractor told me how the whole deal works.

Most of them are on some form of government payroll. Atlanta has one of the largest IRS offices in the country. I will give you $50 for every white person you can find working in that federal building. And city hall, that is a joke. I spent half a day down there once and I saw 1 (one) white employee in the entire building. I went to the county courthouse to get my gun permit at the probate court. Same story, not one white person working in that courthouse. Is it any wonder this city is falling apart and bankrupt? Atlanta City government is a patronage machine. Compared to other cities of similar size we have 3 times as many city employees on the payroll. There is one "supervisor" for every two employees! Everybody in Atlanta knows it. Even the liberal newspaper, with it's black female editorial page editor, acknowledges this stuff, hell, that is where I find all this stuff out. I don't have to dig, it is in the newspaper every day. It is a joke, and an embarrassment. Not only that, but it is costly. In Fulton County white people pay about 80% of the taxes but almost 82% of the services go to all black neighborhoods. They are riding high, living large, and good ole whitey pays the tab and they know there is not much we can do about it because they control all forms of local government. Atlanta and Fulton County are constantly paying out millions of dollars in damages for discrimination against white people in hiring and promotions, etc. Of course the city and county government does not care because it is dominated by blacks and they know that all that money spent defending the city against these suits is being paid by white people's taxes. They are willing to let this shameful stuff go on so they can give jobs to unqualified blacks, who frequently don't show up for work and if they do show up they spend most of their time filing their nails or talking on their government issued cell phones to their homies. The poor lawyers have it the worst, they have to deal with these lazy idiots every day at the courthouse, city hall, the federal building.... A gay lawyer friend of mine recently went to the federal courthouse to file the paperwork for a court action, "Lekeshia" was the clerk at the filing counter. He stood at the counter for about 10 minutes waiting for her to get off the phone with her girlfriend. They were talking about who was dating who, etc. Finally she could ignore him no longer and said to her friend on the phone "Hang on a a second." Then turned to the lawyer and said "You wont sumpin?", as hateful as she could. When he said he had a petition to file with the court, she said "Well you just have to wait, I'se busy right now." That is what it is like down here, every day we have to put up with this b.s.
The Georgia legislature finally has passed laws allowing the white sections of the county to form new counties to get out of black dominated Fulton county. Now the negro government will have to tax their own people to pay for all the crap we have been paying for. The legislature also passed new laws allowing all the communities surrounding Atlanta to incorporate so they cannot be annexed into the city of Atlanta. The legislature passed new laws severly limiting how much the city and county can hike property taxes. This prevents the city of Atlanta from taxing the white property owners to death to pay for the patronage and waste programs that fatten the bank accounts of the "black middle class." Thank GOD. Of course the black female mayor of Atlanta was the first in line to ask for bailout money from the federal government, now that the legislature has effectively banned her from dipping into the already overtaxed wallets of the white population.

I am reminded of a conversation I had with a legal Russian immigrant about 10 years ago. He had started a small restuarant and was spending a lot of time in government buildings getting permits, licenses, etc. and of course he was always having to go to the INS office at the federal building. He had seen all levels of government: city, county, state, and federal, repeatedly. This simple honest Russian, who no one could call a "bigot" or a "racist," said to me in his broken English: "Why is only black people can work for government? I do not understand? Is it law? Why does government don't like white people?" I just did not know how to explain it to him, so I simply said, "It is politics." How sad.

And you wonder why we vote Republican in the South? We are living through the second federally imposed phase of reconstuction. Call me the angry GWM, and there are plenty of us down here.

Oh, I forgot to tell you about my jewish, liberal, democrat, Connecticut born and raised, NYU educated friend who lives a few blocks away. I went to his (David) house to have dinner with him and his wife (Maria) last week. We had an interesting conversation that went like this:

David: Mitch, you have a lot of guns don't you?
Mitch: Yeah David, I do.
David: I have been thinking about getting one.
Mitch: Well you can have one of mine if you want it.
David: Really?
Mitch: Yeah.
David: I would just want to hold it for you, think of it as just storing it at my house.
Mitch: Whatever you want David.
Maria: David is afraid the blacks are going to riot and break into our house. They tried to carjack our neighbor lady 3 days ago just two houses down. We are scared. Where did you park? Did you lock your car? You don't have anything inside they would want to steal do you? (I might mention that they live on a street where a vacant lot, 50x150, goes for about a half a million. They don't live on the edge of the ghetto).
Mitch: David, I am surprised. You, the great liberal?
David: I have to protect my wife and kids. Forget politics, this is reality. Eventually they are going to attack us and try to rob us. It is dangerous. Thats why we have Anna (daughter) in private school. I would never put her in public school with all those thugs.

David is not quite so liberal since he left Greenwich, CT and NYU. Now that he has lived in the real world for a while and knows first hand what it is like to deal with them. Of course the dummy still voted for Obama who does not want David or me or you to have guns so we can protect ourselves from the murdering thugs.

If anybody doubts me, come to Atlanta and spend a few weeks. You will change your mind pretty quick.

Excuse me now, I have to get back to work so I can pay more taxes to the city and county to fund welfare and fraud.
 
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(From the conversation of David, Mitch and Maria):

Maria: David is afraid the blacks are going to riot and break into our house. They tried to carjack our neighbor lady 3 days ago just two houses down. We are scared. Where did you park? Did you lock your car? You don't have anything inside they would want to steal do you? (I might mention that they live on a street where a vacant lot, 50x150, goes for about a half a million. They don't live on the edge of the ghetto).
Mitch: David, I am surprised. You, the great liberal?
David: I have to protect my wife and kids. Forget politics, this is reality. Eventually they are going to attack us and try to rob us. It is dangerous. Thats why we have Anna (daughter) in private school. I would never put her in public school with all those thugs.
Mitch, I do not doubt that you, and your middle class neighbors are having problems with a segment of the black population in Atlanta. But I tend to look at it as a socio-economic issue, and not a "race" issue. My problem is when you paint all black citizens in Atlanta with a broad brush. When you, David and Maria keep referring to the black population of your city as "they", I cringe.

Are you telling me that there is not a middle to upper class black population, who work hard, and send their kid's to school, and hold positions in management, own businesses, and are teachers, and doctors and lawyers? As I said, I have not been to your city, but I live in New York City, and for my job for the last four years, I travel by car to sell to New York City Schools, and day care centers and the like. Because of the economics in our country, many of the funded programs and day care centers are in the "ghetto" neighborhoods of New York City. Up until four years ago, I had very limited experiences in these parts of of city, that I have lived in my entire life.

I now spend my days in Harlem and Washington Heights, and in the South Bronx, in Jamaica Queens, as well as Brownsville and Bed Stuy and East New York in Brooklyn. I have to admit that in 2004, I was "scared" when I first went out on my own in my car to these neighborhoods. And I was embarrassed to myself, being a "liberal", but still afraid, being a middle age white man, nicely dressed in a jacket and tie, and working in the "hood". But Mitch, I can honestly say in four years and three months, I have never had even a slight problem in these neighborhoods. In fact, I find that there are a ton of black men and women nicely dressed, going about their business, the same as in midtown Manhattan. In fact, I was surprised to find that working people in the minority neighborhoods, are friendlier than in the white areas. I get more hello's and good mornings there, than in "white" neighborhoods.

However, I am completely aware that I travel during the daylight hours, and there are more police cars, and walking patrol in these areas than in my own neighborhood. And now knowing these neighborhoods, I pay more attention to the crimes, after dark, and see that a disproportionate number of crimes go on in these areas, than in "white" neighborhoods. But I believe that it is a "segment" of the minority areas, that cause trouble, and I believe the majority of the black and Hispanic people living in these neighborhoods, want to eliminate the "problem" people as much as you and I do.

So please, complain about "bad dudes" in Atlanta, just like I do here in New York. But I know that generally speaking, people are "basically good", and I think it is so unfair to say anything about "all" of any group, (gays included). Don't you hate when people generalize about us, talking about what "they do", and the way "they act" and what "they want to do to your children". Prejudice sucks, whether it is anti gay or anti Muslim or anti Jew or anti anything. We are all God's children, (black, white, asian, muslim, catholic, protestant, hindu, jew, gay, straight, bisexual, and transgendered, just to name a few examples).:001_smile:

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Well Mike, I am glad that your experiences have not lead to you being beaten up, robbed, or worse yet, murdered.

But I have friends and clients, all gay, who have been robbed. Three in broad daylight and one at night:

1. Ray (currently dying of aids) - About five years ago Ray bought his dream house in an affluent neighborhood. A nice two story red brick in the gay section known as "Midtown." He and his lover were moving in the last of their things. They were getting some little stuff out of their car which was parked in front of their house. A car came down the street, it stopped, four blacks got out and one had a shotgun (no doubt stolen). They robbed my friends. Two weeks later Ray and Doug went to the grocery store, only gone about an hour. They got back and their house had been broken into. The neighbor saw the burglars run out of the house, they were black. About another two weeks later Doug went out in their yard, which had a 6 foot wall around it. A black guy was in the back yard, he had scaled the fence to get in. Eventually Ray and Doug just gave up and sold their dream house.

2. Lee - He went to get a haircut in the heart of the Midtown residential area, around noon. When he came out he walked to his car, about 20 ft from the door of the shop. A black put a pistol in his face and robbed him.

3. Rodney - Came out of a gay bar, called Mary's. He was putting his key in the car door to unlock it when two blacks walked up and put a knife to this throat. They robbed him.

4. Randy - It was the middle of the day. He was driving down a four lane street. His car broke down. He used his cell phone and called a tow truck. Within 5 minutes a gang of blacks had come to his car, put a gun in his face, and robbed him and then pistol whipped him. He recovered.

Georgia has the highest incarceration rate in the U.S., Texas is #2. We have about 9% of the black population in prison and still crime is out of control. Imagine how bad it would be if we did not have that 9% in prison. I guess if we can get 20% in prison then we might approach having a normal life.

When I visit upstate NY I am in shock at how nice the towns are because they are clean, have no slums or ghetto, and then when I look around I know why, they have no blacks. Why would Georgia have such a high crime rate compared to say, Vermont or Iowa, North Dakota, Utah, etc. Duh!

This stuff did not go on 50 years ago and Atlanta had just as large a black population back then. Wonder why? Because back then they knew that punishment would be swift, severe and sure. For one thing they did not cruise around or walk into our neighborhoods because they were sure to be stopped by the police, who knew what they were up to.

I don't buy into the poverty excuse. It is not socio-economic. Nobody was as poor as my father's family, and they did not have welfare and food stamps and government housing back in the 30's. My family NEVER stole or robbed anybody. Everybody I grew up with was poor or near poor and none of us stole or robbed anybody. White people rarely do that. It is a statistical fact.

Hell, these "affluent middle class blacks" in Atlanta are getting arrested all the time for stealing and crimes of physical violence.

I will say that about 5% of the ones I have known are honest nice people. But I don't trust them unless I have known them for a while. I never trust the males unless I have known them for years. I never trust the males that I don't know, especially if I encounter more than one of them on the street. They will attack you, rob you, and kill you.

That is why I have a pistol permit and carry at all times. They will kill you, make no mistake about it. They will kill you for being white, often times it is not even robbery, they just hate us that much.

The solution can only be found in one government program, PRISONS. Build more, abolish parole, mandatory sentences. How about two strikes and you are out, for life. Fewer appeals and more death sentences. Swift and sure punishment is the only answer. You cannot cure a rabid dog, you have to put it down.

But crime is not the only reason Atlanta sucks. Did you read my entire response to Slim, below, regarding city and county government?
 
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Well Mike, I am glad that your experiences have not lead to you being beaten up, robbed, or worse yet, murdered.

But I have friends and clients, all gay, who have been robbed. Three in broad daylight and one at night:

1. Ray (currently dying of aids) - About five years ago Ray bought his dream house in an affluent neighborhood. A nice two story red brick in the gay section known as "Midtown." He and his lover were moving in the last of their things. They were getting some little stuff out of their car which was parked in front of their house. A car came down the street, it stopped, four blacks got out and one had a shotgun (no doubt stolen). They robbed my friends. Two weeks later Ray and Doug went to the grocery store, only gone about an hour. They got back and their house had been broken into. The neighbor saw the burglars run out of the house, they were black. About another two weeks later Doug went out in their yard, which had a 6 foot wall around it. A black guy was in the back yard, he had scaled the fence to get in. Eventually Ray and Doug just gave up and sold their dream house.

2. Lee - He went to get a haircut in the heart of the Midtown residential area, around noon. When he came out he walked to his car, about 20 ft from the door of the shop. A black put a pistol in his face and robbed him.

3. Rodney - Came out of a gay bar, called Mary's. He was putting his key in the car door to unlock it when two blacks walked up and put a knife to this throat. They robbed him.

4. Randy - It was the middle of the day. He was driving down a four lane street. His car broke down. He used his cell phone and called a tow truck. Within 5 minutes a gang of blacks had come to his car, put a gun in his face, and robbed him and then pistol whipped him. He recovered.

Georgia has the highest incarceration rate in the U.S., Texas is #2. We have about 9% of the black population in prison and still crime is out of control. Imagine how bad it would be if we did not have that 9% in prison. I guess if we can get 20% in prison then we might approach having a normal life.

When I visit upstate NY I am in shock at how nice the towns are because they are clean, have no slums or ghetto, and then when I look around I know why, they have no blacks. Why would Georgia have such a high crime rate compared to say, Vermont or Iowa, North Dakota, Utah, etc. Duh!

This stuff did not go on 50 years ago and Atlanta had just as large a black population back then. Wonder why? Because back then they knew that punishment would be swift, severe and sure. For one thing they did not cruise around or walk into our neighborhoods because they were sure to be stopped by the police, who knew what they were up to.

I don't buy into the poverty excuse. It is not socio-economic. Nobody was as poor as my father's family, and they did not have welfare and food stamps and government housing back in the 30's. My family NEVER stole or robbed anybody. Everybody I grew up with was poor or near poor and none of us stole or robbed anybody. White people rarely do that. It is a statistical fact.

Hell, these "affluent middle class blacks" in Atlanta are getting arrested all the time for stealing and crimes of physical violence.

I will say that about 5% of the ones I have known are honest nice people. But I don't trust them unless I have known them for a while. I never trust the males unless I have known them for years. I never trust the males that I don't know, especially if I encounter more than one of them on the street. They will attack you, rob you, and kill you.

That is why I have a pistol permit and carry at all times. They will kill you, make no mistake about it. They will kill you for being white, often times it is not even robbery, they just hate us that much.

The solution can only be found in one government program, PRISONS. Build more, abolish parole, mandatory sentences. How about two strikes and you are out, for life. Fewer appeals and more death sentences. Swift and sure punishment is the only answer. You cannot cure a rabid dog, you have to put it down.

But crime is not the only reason Atlanta sucks. Did you read my entire response to Slim, below, regarding city and county government?

Mitch, you're having a shitty time in Atlanta man. You're right, you should go somewhere white.

I've said all I can about racial prejudice to you in the last few days. My old man was a southern aristocrat and my old lady is a midwestern intellectual, now in her second century. Between the two of them they inculcated in us a fascination for and an appreciation of other people that have maintained themselves strong in my outlook for all these years. Racial prejudice just isn't part of my genetic makeup. I loved the black kids I met in the 60's at UNC. They were bright, bitter, beautiful, funny, vulnerable and heroic. They were like the white kids, but somehow "more". They were living momentousness 24/7, making history. It was great. So my experiences are so different from yours that all I can do is commiserate with you buddy. You're having a hard time with your neighbors man, and unless you guys can gerrymander the zones, you should do what you've said you want to, and leave.

Listen, when I read your posts I think of Tom Wolfe, the southern author of some amazingly brilliant, funny books. Remember "Bonfire of the Vanities"? I guess you and your friends have had some hairy, life threatening times living down south, comparable to the hero's, in that book . There must be places you'd rather live. What about Montpellier, just a boatride from me. What about Mallorca?
 
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Mitch, you're having a shitty time in Atlanta man. You're right, you should go somewhere white.

I've said all I can about racial prejudice to you in the last few days. My old man was a southern aristocrat and my old lady is a midwestern intellectual, now in her second century. Between the two of them they inculcated in us a fascination for and an appreciation of other people that have maintained themselves strong in my outlook for all these years. Racial prejudice just isn't part of my genetic makeup. I loved the black kids I met in the 60's at UNC. They were bright, bitter, beautiful, funny, vulnerable and heroic. They were like the white kids, but somehow "more". They were living momentousness 24/7, making history. It was great. So my experiences are so different from yours that all I can do is commiserate with you buddy. You're having a hard time with your neighbors man, and unless you guys can gerrymander the zones, you should do what you've said you want to, and leave.

Listen, when I read your posts I think of Tom Wolfe, the southern author of some amazingly brilliant, funny books. Remember "Bonfire of the Vanities"? I guess you and your friends have had some hairy, life threatening times living down south, comparable to the hero's, in that book . There must be places you'd rather live. What about Montpellier, just a boatride from me. What about Mallorca?


I am thinking Charleston or Asheville. I don't think I can live in France because they will not let you work, besides, My skills would be of little use there.
 
I wonder how facinated those Europeans would be if we shipped them about 35 million of their favorite people? They would change their tune real quick when the murder rate went up about 700%.


Those articles are not isolated incidents. Don't try to gloss over them and make light of them. It goes on all the time, daily. I did not even get into how those "middle class blacks" made their money: minority set-aside contracts that always result in inferior, behind schedule, over budget, work that falls apart or never gets done. I know about this stuff because I know a black woman who told me she was getting rich by doing nothing. Her is how the scam works: No city contract is awarded unless the company doing the bidding is at least 20% minority owned, usually the bid goes to a 100% minority owned company, regardless of whether they submit the low bid or the high bid. So, white contractors who want a city contract must give away a 20% interest in each project, for which they create a new LLC each time, to a "minority" owner. The minority owner does nothing, contributes no capital and no work. They just sign the paperword as the required "minority partner" and then sit back and get rich. So effectively the taxpayer is footing the bill for a surcharge to create black wealth which is given to them on a silver platter for doing nothing and contributing nothing. I know this because a black subcontractor told me how the whole deal works.

Most of them are on some form of government payroll. Atlanta has one of the largest IRS offices in the country. I will give you $50 for every white person you can find working in that federal building. And city hall, that is a joke. I spent half a day down there once and I saw 1 (one) white employee in the entire building. I went to the county courthouse to get my gun permit at the probate court. Same story, not one white person working in that courthouse. Is it any wonder this city is falling apart and bankrupt? Atlanta City government is a patronage machine. Compared to other cities of similar size we have 3 times as many city employees on the payroll. There is one "supervisor" for every two employees! Everybody in Atlanta knows it. Even the liberal newspaper, with it's black female editorial page editor, acknowledges this stuff, hell, that is where I find all this stuff out. I don't have to dig, it is in the newspaper every day. It is a joke, and an embarrassment. Not only that, but it is costly. In Fulton County white people pay about 80% of the taxes but almost 82% of the services go to all black neighborhoods. They are riding high, living large, and good ole whitey pays the tab and they know there is not much we can do about it because they control all forms of local government. Atlanta and Fulton County are constantly paying out millions of dollars in damages for discrimination against white people in hiring and promotions, etc. Of course the city and county government does not care because it is dominated by blacks and they know that all that money spent defending the city against these suits is being paid by white people's taxes. They are willing to let this shameful stuff go on so they can give jobs to unqualified blacks, who frequently don't show up for work and if they do show up they spend most of their time filing their nails or talking on their government issued cell phones to their homies. The poor lawyers have it the worst, they have to deal with these lazy idiots every day at the courthouse, city hall, the federal building.... A gay lawyer friend of mine recently went to the federal courthouse to file the paperwork for a court action, "Lekeshia" was the clerk at the filing counter. He stood at the counter for about 10 minutes waiting for her to get off the phone with her girlfriend. They were talking about who was dating who, etc. Finally she could ignore him no longer and said to her friend on the phone "Hang on a a second." Then turned to the lawyer and said "You wont sumpin?", as hateful as she could. When he said he had a petition to file with the court, she said "Well you just have to wait, I'se busy right now." That is what it is like down here, every day we have to put up with this b.s.
The Georgia legislature finally has passed laws allowing the white sections of the county to form new counties to get out of black dominated Fulton county. Now the negro government will have to tax their own people to pay for all the crap we have been paying for. The legislature also passed new laws allowing all the communities surrounding Atlanta to incorporate so they cannot be annexed into the city of Atlanta. The legislature passed new laws severly limiting how much the city and county can hike property taxes. This prevents the city of Atlanta from taxing the white property owners to death to pay for the patronage and waste programs that fatten the bank accounts of the "black middle class." Thank GOD. Of course the black female mayor of Atlanta was the first in line to ask for bailout money from the federal government, now that the legislature has effectively banned her from dipping into the already overtaxed wallets of the white population.

I am reminded of a conversation I had with a legal Russian immigrant about 10 years ago. He had started a small restuarant and was spending a lot of time in government buildings getting permits, licenses, etc. and of course he was always having to go to the INS office at the federal building. He had seen all levels of government: city, county, state, and federal, repeatedly. This simple honest Russian, who no one could call a "bigot" or a "racist," said to me in his broken English: "Why is only black people can work for government? I do not understand? Is it law? Why does government don't like white people?" I just did not know how to explain it to him, so I simply said, "It is politics." How sad.

And you wonder why we vote Republican in the South? We are living through the second federally imposed phase of reconstuction. Call me the angry GWM, and there are plenty of us down here.

Oh, I forgot to tell you about my jewish, liberal, democrat, Connecticut born and raised, NYU educated friend who lives a few blocks away. I went to his (David) house to have dinner with him and his wife (Maria) last week. We had an interesting conversation that went like this:

David: Mitch, you have a lot of guns don't you?
Mitch: Yeah David, I do.
David: I have been thinking about getting one.
Mitch: Well you can have one of mine if you want it.
David: Really?
Mitch: Yeah.
David: I would just want to hold it for you, think of it as just storing it at my house.
Mitch: Whatever you want David.
Maria: David is afraid the blacks are going to riot and break into our house. They tried to carjack our neighbor lady 3 days ago just two houses down. We are scared. Where did you park? Did you lock your car? You don't have anything inside they would want to steal do you? (I might mention that they live on a street where a vacant lot, 50x150, goes for about a half a million. They don't live on the edge of the ghetto).
Mitch: David, I am surprised. You, the great liberal?
David: I have to protect my wife and kids. Forget politics, this is reality. Eventually they are going to attack us and try to rob us. It is dangerous. Thats why we have Anna (daughter) in private school. I would never put her in public school with all those thugs.

David is not quite so liberal since he left Greenwich, CT and NYU. Now that he has lived in the real world for a while and knows first hand what it is like to deal with them. Of course the dummy still voted for Obama who does not want David or me or you to have guns so we can protect ourselves from the murdering thugs.

If anybody doubts me, come to Atlanta and spend a few weeks. You will change your mind pretty quick.

Excuse me now, I have to get back to work so I can pay more taxes to the city and county to fund welfare and fraud.

This is I guess one way to handle the threat. Here are some interesting statistics.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/guns.htm

http://www.gunblast.com/Gun_Facts.htm

We have shootings and muggings all around my community routinely. 90% are drug related. 5% people are blowing off steam/trying to scare someone.
The other 5% are deliberate offenses. I never Carry a hand gun personally even though the shooting have occurred as close as 50 feet from my door. I do possess one or more??? LOL However; I have been lucky enough to avoid altercations with guns even when I worked as a bouncer.

I have learned to adapt PA's laws to my taste. If an intruder enters you home and you feel that you life is threatened; you may legally shoot and kill the perpetrator. (Please, if you are going to own a gun learn how to use the dam thing and do it well. One shot one kill. Please, practice on moving targets too and not just stationary.) Something of vital importance here; if you pull your gun be prepared to use it. Once you have pulled that gun out 50% of the time you will probably have the upper hand and not need to fire a shot. The other 50% of the time the criminal will challenge you with a weapon of their own, now it is kill or be killed. In the olden days of good old fashioned law and order you could shoot to wound your assailant. Not true today. If wounded about 60% of wounded victims file civil suits against the home owners anymore and about 75% of these cases are awarded cash rewards by the courts for punitive damages.

Always, remember that any shot from over 15 feet away is usually not considered life threatening. Darkness and fog are great legal defenses for the distance issue in case you are not prepared to testify.
 
I am thinking Charleston or Asheville. I don't think I can live in France because they will not let you work, besides, My skills would be of little use there.

Absolutely wrong. Your skills would be at a premium. Competent and talented professionals, with a lot of charisma, make a lot of money. Expatriates who can't yet speak the language depend on professionals with whom they can communicate.

Asheville or Charleston, either one, would be great however.
 
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