joninliverton
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It makes no difference now does it. Mike's now probably married with 2 kids LOL
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Mike, Josh, and Shane
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Indeed. I gave the scene a 4 myself. I didn't feel as strongly as others who felt that Mike ruined the scene. I didn't feel that he contributed as much as he could have. But I still like him. And Shane and Josh did a good job.
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Well Mike, I agree with most things you said. I also HATED Mike in this scene. And I disagree completely with the part of your post I brought down.
While I have never had the thoughts and emotions of a man, I have been a woman for a long time and watched human nature, male and female, through all of it. IF there is any truth to the back story we were given on Mike and Josh being buddies and Mike bringing Josh to Broke Straight Boys, then it is not only possible, but highly probable that Mike went into that shoot wanting to fuck it up. Human nature can be jealous, proud, territorial, and vengeful. We know Mike is arrogant and self obsessed. That is one of the reasons you love him, but it's also exactly why, after hearing nonstop all over the D & E studio and "house" about how hot Josh and Shane were, that Mike would go into a scene with them, screw it up, and whether it be positive or negative we are all talking about Mike now. His ego is fed, his friend is not making out with Shane, and all is right in Mike's world.
Excellant observation Ms.K.
While I won't go so far as to say that MikeR is so vindictive that he walked into the studio with the intention of messing up this scene, I do beleive that once he realized he was not going to be the "star" of the show, but merely a third wheel participant, jealousy may have reared it's ugly head. Just to set the record straight, I am not a MikeR Hater, I just hated the fact that he was included in this scene and for that I blame David.
As for my friend Mike's post and observations. I love that you used the wrestling analogy! I had a roommate who was such a devout WWF fan that he had to rush home on Monday nights to watch it. I started to watch it with him when I first laid eyes on "The Rock" and some of the other hot bodies involved at the time. But I digress. My rommie was so into the storylines that he too would sit and yell and cheer and jeer at the T.V., when to me it was so transparently scripted and fake, all I could do was laugh. Now, my roommate knew all this was fake, but it did'nt lessen his enjoyment or participation of the event at all. These "rasslers" are paid actors with a wrestling background following a scripted storyline, and it shows.
I realize that not everything we see on Broke Straight Boys is real, like the straight boy who has never had gay sex, sucking cock for the "first time", hungrily devouring and deep throating an enormous cock like he does it every day, or the "totally straight" guy who has "never" had a cock up his "virgin ass", yet the hard cock slides into his ass effortlessly and without a whimper from him while he remains hard as a rock begging for more. Those scenes are pretty transparent and simply feed a fantasy.
However, I do beleive that occasionaly, David has the good fortune to film a guy who is actually trying gay sex for the first time (probably not Really the "first" time, but pretty new to gay sex) and we are priveldged to share in that model's progression into his self discovery. I think the MikeR, Josh storyline is very beliveable and a fairly accurate depiction of what trully happened. Lets face it, while MikeR may be a seasoned veteren of this site, Josh is no actor, he he has an innocence and vulnerability about him that makes him totally beliveable to me. I doubt you would find many here who would deny that what we witnessed in the Shane and Josh scene was not true passion and chemistry, you can't fake passion like that. At least these amature boys can't.
I really don't beleive that this scene was a continuation of the MikeR/Josh trilogy, I belive that when David was doing the interview with Josh and Shane and he found out the MikeR had reneged on his promise to pay Josh for the damages he probably caused to Josh's ATV, he decided to exact his own form of justice by dressing him down on camera and docking his pay and giving it to Josh. Here again you have to be able to read the body language and listen to the reactions to see that these boys were put on the defensive, and that's what makes the situation beliveable to me.
I will go one step furthur and say this. If we were to belive Mike, that this scene was scripted as a continuation of the MikeR/Josh trilogy with the Shane/Josh scene thrown in as a catalyst to the original storyline, then shame on David as the director for not recognizing the passion and chemistry he had in Shane and Josh and not continuing with that storyline instead.
And that's MY storyline.
-Jason
mikeyank
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My point is that MikeR always takes on that slightly aggressive, alpha male type of persona. He always smiles, and his co-stars usually seem to enjoy his personality, more than the viewers on the forum who comment. I was just trying to say that Mike was the still same irreverent, fun loving young guy in the most reason release, as he was last November. It was just "MikeR being MikeR", and I like him, and hope that we have not seen the last of him here yet.
I have to admit, David taking it upon himself to dispense justice by dressing Mike down on camera for us all to see, and docking Mike's pay and awarding the shortage to Josh, provided not only comic relief but also made me feel better about the whole thing. That was one really positive aspect of the scene. David's decision to become the sudden judge, jury and executioner made me laugh, and root for Josh all the more. And made me like Shane even more too, with his perceived sensitivity and loving care towards Josh (and Josh's perceived adoration and maybe even crush towards Shane!)
While I agree with many who really wish that Mike would have been left out of the scene altogether, there are two distinct possibilities in my mind:
1. Maybe it just worked out that way, perhaps they needed a set number of scenes with Mike in them to fulfill a contract.
2. It could have been a strategic decision.
Or, maybe Mike R himself wanted to exit Broke Straight Boys like the proverbial flash in the pan that he has/had become.
I guess time will tell if we will be seeing any more of Mike R. Personally, I hope not.
But then stranger things have happened. Maybe he'll be gone for a period of time, only to humbly return as an evolved cum-back kid or something. But either way, once he leaves, he will be completely forgettable and not-missed (by me, anyway) because of the way he progressed (or didn't progress)...much like CJ.
Abe
While I agree with many who really wish that Mike would have been left out of the scene altogether, there are two distinct possibilities in my mind:
1. Maybe it just worked out that way, perhaps they needed a set number of scenes with Mike in them to fulfill a contract.
2. It could have been a strategic decision.
Or, maybe Mike R himself wanted to exit Broke Straight Boys like the proverbial flash in the pan that he has/had become.
I guess time will tell if we will be seeing any more of Mike R. Personally, I hope not.
But then stranger things have happened. Maybe he'll be gone for a period of time, only to humbly return as an evolved cum-back kid or something. But either way, once he leaves, he will be completely forgettable and not-missed (by me, anyway) because of the way he progressed (or didn't progress)...much like CJ.
Abe
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mikeyank
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Jason, I do respect your opinion and usually am more in synch with you in our opinions regarding Broke Straight Boys, but in this case I disagree.
The last time we saw Josh & Mike was on June 30, and that is where Mike fucks Josh. I just watched the opening, and David says that he will give each boy $1000 for Mike to fuck Josh, And Mike agrees to give Josh $675 from his thousand. (By the way, the guys both look really good on the couch talking about the possibility of Mike fucking Josh, They are sitting close and look each other in the eyes. After Josh agrees to the scene, he looks at Mike and says, "So my best friend is gonna' take my virginity" and Mike and David convince him that it's all good. I saved my place there, and am going to go back to watch the rest of that scene as soon as I finish posting this reply).
So the money that Mike supposedly still owes Josh is from this scene. If you choose to believe the exact amounts of money discussed are what the real life models are paid, that is fine. We will never know, nor should we know the exact amount of money the model's receive.
I tend to believe that Mike would not agree to shoot a fucking scene or even an oral scene where he knew he would walk out with less than $300. After all Ms Kianna pointed out how "arrogant and self obsessed" Mike is, so do you believe he would now do a scene for that little amount of money?
But in all seriousness, I love this thread. This is the type of discussion that used to follow many scenes on Broke Straight Boys, and I miss that the most lately.
And I still love Miss Kianna and Jason and Jon, even if we disagree on a "sticky"
point or two.
Ms. Kianna
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While I did not like MikeR in this scene, I have always liked him in the past.
And honestly, there is NO COMPARISON between MikeR and CJ. Not even in the same ball park.
I respectfully disagree, Mike.
When you point out that his co-stars usually seem to enjoy his personality, more than the viewers who comment, I must point out that I really liked Mike R when he was a newbie. And I too liked his smile and personality. Only after a period of time did I get tired of the same old cookie-cutter scenes with him, never anything new. And it's not that his personality suddenly became unlikeable, instead it's that as time went on I perceived that he started becoming more cocky, or arrogant. Refusing to kiss, refusing to bottom, yet still showing up in a great many scenes while other guys we have only gotten to see a couple times far surpassed him and have never been seen since.
On the one hand you have Mike R, whose earliest scenes are no different than his most recent scenes in terms of what he does with a guy sexually. And on the other hand, you have his real-life or fictious friend Josh, who is the same age as Mike, comes from a seemingly similar background as Mike, and is much newer at this than Mike, and he tears the house down with his passionate kissing scene with Shane as I believe Jason pointed out earlier. Then Josh moves on to getting fucked during the three way with Mike R and Shane (minus the passion, and minus any and all kissing that delighted us all in his previous scene with Shane).
I think it's only natural that we are all going to root for Josh, and cheer him and Shane on. Mike became the "villain" in some peoples' minds, either the scene wrecker (whether intentional or unintentional) by simply being there and preventing more of Josh and Shane's passion and much anticipated kissing and hoped-for love-making, and/or his deceptive and mean spirited factual or fictitious decision to short Josh the money he promised to pay him for cutting him off and causing him to hurt his foot.
I guess my point is that in terms of Mike and his performance in all of his scenes, while I agree that I like his smile too and I used to like his personality, once you've seen one, you've seen em all.
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While I did not like MikeR in this scene, I have always liked him in the past.
And honestly, there is NO COMPARISON between MikeR and CJ. Not even in the same ball park.
LOL!!! Now that you pointed this out Ms. Kianna, you're absolutely right! Now that I think about it, even sour face CJ got fucked. Sorry, I should have used a better comparison.
Abe
I just love everyone's reaction to this scene...
..........David just sits back and smiles....
..........David just sits back and smiles....
mikeyank
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Abe, I certainly respect your opinion, and if Mike no longer "floats your boat", you should avoid watching any remaining scenes that Mark may still have in post production, or just waiting to be released.
But I respectfully take issue with your comparison of the "progress" between Josh and his home boy friend Mike. You mention that both guys are basically the same age, with similar backgrounds, and then compare Josh's gay sex scenes with Mike's. Keep in mind the Kinsey Scale, (I'm using Wikipedia for the descriptions). You cannot necessarily expect the same reaction to gay sex in every twenty year old male from the South. While a 0 is totally heterosexual, and a 6 is exclusively homosexual, (as I am), a three is equally gay and straight. The rest of the population falls somewhere in between.
For Mike to even be interested in doing gay porn for income, he seems to be a 1 (Predominantly heterosexual, only incidentally homosexual, or a 2 (Predominantly heterosexual, but more than incidentally homosexual). You can see the way he looks at another guy's dick, and the way he gets really into sucking cock that he is not totally straight, but he has no interest in taking a dick up his ass. And he has every right to maintain his natural instincts.
Josh seems to be a two or a three. I think it is unfair to expect all guys in this situation to react the same one to these circumstances. And of course David has every right to show someone like Mike the door, when he perceives that the model has gone as far as he will go.
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mikeyank
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And I love the fact that you are reading our posts.
If your site wasn't interesting to us, we wouldn't be exchanging our thoughts and opinions about the scenes you direct.
Long live Broke Straight Boys and an open and free forum for us to react to your work.
Hey, I am here for the fun of the site David. I really get great laughs about your comments during taping and for me they only add to the moment while these guys are performing. Tyler has had me in stitches laughing too. So, I am glad our comments on the Forum have given you some laughter too.
Thanks to Broke Straight Boys there are a lot of straight guys that we have videotaped evidence of what great cock suckers they can be. If nothing else, I believe they will always think twice before insulting GLBT people...
I also think it would be fun to find out how many of these models have really hooked up and knocked boots again later... One day maybe,
Thanks to Broke Straight Boys there are a lot of straight guys that we have videotaped evidence of what great cock suckers they can be. If nothing else, I believe they will always think twice before insulting GLBT people...
I also think it would be fun to find out how many of these models have really hooked up and knocked boots again later... One day maybe,
joninliverton
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Of course you can sit back and smile. You have the advantage of knowing what went on, what the aftermath was, and what has happened since.
Well I think my point may have kind of gotten lost in your discussion of the Kinsey Scale, Mike. Please forgive me if I wasn't very clear, but I didn't intend to imply that my whole issue with this was that I expected Josh and Mike R to have identical reactions to gay sex!
Instead, what I meant to point out was that Mike has been in a ton of scenes between College Boy Physicals and Broke Straight Boys, and Josh has only been in a few comparatively. Yet Josh manages to achieve a meteoric rise above Mike R in terms of what he does sexually, as well as showing us some real passion (when he's with anyone but Mike). I think that Josh has really delighted us all with his performances with Shane. This, in spite of the fact that he couldn't even get an erection -- especially in his last scene -- which is normally a career ender pornographically speaking.
Instead of comparing who may be more or less gay on the Kinsey scale, how I think they should react to gay sex within a similar demographic, or speculating as to why Josh and Mike may have become interested in doing gay porn for income, I only meant to compare that Josh has done some incredible work and made some huge ass progress in just the one scene that didn't include Mike in it with him. In my opinion, Mike plateaued after his second non-solo Broke Straight Boys scene (when he sucked, got sucked, and fucked first Chasen then Cousin Mikey). After that, he broke no new ground and did nothing more in any of his future scenes. As I mentioned earlier, seen one ya seen em all.
While you point out that Mike looks at the other guy's cock and that he seems to get into sucking another guy's cock, I guess that's all the more reason why it annoys me when he seems to take on an elitist position in regards to kissing, showing some affection towards his best friend, or God forbid experiencing the receiving end of anal sex. I'm totally cool with his decision to not progress beyond anything that he already did in his second non-solo Broke Straight Boys scene, but as a result I am simply not a fan of his because of it is all I'm saying.
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I was watching this program about a Chicago artist that placed this large "EYE" in the center of the city. People from Chicago were appalled that there is an "EYE" staring at them. Others found it to be creepy, others didn't like it and were very vocal about having this "EYE" as artwork. City tour buses took tourists to see this art piece of this "EYE" & people from all over started taking pictures of the "EYE" the people in Chicago couldn't believe how ugly this "EYE" was.
When interviewing the artist, he wasn't insulted by the comments, he didn't even defend the sculpture of his "EYE" to convince people why he made an "EYE". He didn't even defend himself and the city allowed him to place it up and they stood by this artist, although the city got heat from local business people and others that lived in Chicago area that didn't like the "EYE" sculpture, the "EYE" wasn't going anywhere and it stayed starring at people day after day.
What the artist was amazed about was that his simple sculpture of the "EYE" drew more attention to the city and brought up more controversy and the mere fact that people reacted regardless in a negative way or a positive way, they still had a reaction and it become the talk of Chicago that tourists from all over the world have come and taken pictures of this "EYE".
The moral of this story is although you may or may not like the scene or the storyline or MikeR, it drew attention and it got a reaction from all of you and I thank you all for your reaction to this scene. I personally thank you for your support and love reading your reaction to scenes such as this.
Oh! and after a while, the folks in Chicago started loving the "EYE" sculpture and accepting the "EYE" as part of another artwork in there beloved city.
When interviewing the artist, he wasn't insulted by the comments, he didn't even defend the sculpture of his "EYE" to convince people why he made an "EYE". He didn't even defend himself and the city allowed him to place it up and they stood by this artist, although the city got heat from local business people and others that lived in Chicago area that didn't like the "EYE" sculpture, the "EYE" wasn't going anywhere and it stayed starring at people day after day.
What the artist was amazed about was that his simple sculpture of the "EYE" drew more attention to the city and brought up more controversy and the mere fact that people reacted regardless in a negative way or a positive way, they still had a reaction and it become the talk of Chicago that tourists from all over the world have come and taken pictures of this "EYE".
The moral of this story is although you may or may not like the scene or the storyline or MikeR, it drew attention and it got a reaction from all of you and I thank you all for your reaction to this scene. I personally thank you for your support and love reading your reaction to scenes such as this.
Oh! and after a while, the folks in Chicago started loving the "EYE" sculpture and accepting the "EYE" as part of another artwork in there beloved city.
slimvintage
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I've loved the eye ever since I first saw it, and using it as a metaphor for forum polemics is really clever.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/enter...eye-sculpture-pictures,0,3189839.photogallery
David dude it's a very warm and fuzzy feeling to see you taking the time to get back in here. Thanks for that.
I couldn't agree more.
It's very heartwarming and gratifying to know that you are at least reading posts and keeping your finger on the pulse of things. You also have the luxury of knowing the inside scoop on what really happens in particular scenes with particular models. I can see how you can have a sense of humor about it.
I'm kind of reminded of the saying that, "There's no such thing as bad publicity." haha
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