Enough with the bashing....

[Ms. Kianna]

Hmmmmmmm. I have not said much about the new Broke Straight Boys, and that has been on purpose. I have noticed that the ladies, in general, have not said much. This thread made me think, it might be time.

I actually really loved David. Not everything was perfect, but life never is.......and if it was, what would we strive for?

I was still however looking forward to the "New Broke Straight Boys" I have a curious nature, so I was excited to see what Mark had in store.

I have been holding out.........waiting..........for me to see that one episode that won me over, and unfortunately I have not yet seen it.

I do favor the "Ah Ha!" moments, like Diesal with Jimmie, Ross and Eric, or Josh with Shane. That has nothing to do with having "gay" guys in the scene, I just like it when they realize that it is soooooooooooooo much better than they thought it would be.

The changes Mark says he has already implemented, may be just what I need. Having less money talk, and no degrading, "I'll do anything for money," statements, will sure help.

A good dose of hotties.....would also be great!

 

[lubetube]

Hi Mr. Nine,

Thanks, but I'm almost embarrassed about your compliment. My previous comment to this thread wasn't finished and I lost it only to find that the unfinished comment was in fact posted. lol

I am of course not the site owner, so after further review, I will not complete the comment. lol

 

[JohnnyG919]

I had largely stopped reading and posting on the forums because the negativity would almost always bring me down. It just seemed to escalate past the point of no return. Except for those moments when I had a perverse curiousity (kind of like watching Jerry Springer) I had basically given up on the forums here. After the reboot, I had to check it out, and I saw that it was much the same. So Matt/Clay's post is a welcome one.

With that out of the waY, I have to say I really like Ms Kianna's comment:

I do favor the "Ah Ha!" moments, like Diesal with Jimmie, Ross and Eric, or Josh with Shane. That has nothing to do with having "gay" guys in the scene, I just like it when they realize that it is soooooooooooooo much better than they thought it would be.

These have aways been my favorite moments as well. The discovery that, it really is not only not that bad, but actually pretty damned good. It might not make 'em want to switch teams, but it's still nice.

The changes Mark says he has already implemented, may be just what I need. Having less money talk, and no degrading, "I'll do anything for money," statements, will sure help.

Now these comments don't bother me too much. The 'fag' stuff, I could live without, but a little reluctance helps to sell it a bit. But not too much of that. As I said on another thread, a little bit is one thing, but too much gets old fast.

Johnny

 

[SGVBOB]

At the risk of being bashed MYSELF.....

Mark DID forewarn us of 'upcoming changes to the 'all new Broke Straight Boys'. With change, comes evolution, with evolution comes trials/errors or hits/misses. This being said, I will share what I hope to see in future episodes: I, for 1, DO like the using the $$ to 'push the envelope, that much further'-to get the 'boys' outta their 'comfort zones'. I am hoping that this will include (at one point or another), scenes that include rimming (ESPECIALLY w/ 'newbies'), and depending on the circumstances, snowballing, (just my opinion).
A question I do have, is, will we see any BB'ing, since the change?

 

[cumrag27]

I honestly don't consider this bashing, just major disappointment!

Mark DID forewarn us of 'upcoming changes to the 'all new Broke Straight Boys'. With change, comes evolution, with evolution comes trials/errors or hits/misses. This being said, I will share what I hope to see in future episodes: I, for 1, DO like the using the $$ to 'push the envelope, that much further'-to get the 'boys' outta their 'comfort zones'. I am hoping that this will include (at one point or another), scenes that include rimming (ESPECIALLY w/ 'newbies'), and depending on the circumstances, snowballing, (just my opinion).
A question I do have, is, will we see any BB'ing, since the change?

Dearest Bob,

You are right about one thing, Mark did warn us. In the meanwhile, I begged that "When it is not broken, don't fix it" to which there was not a reply. I too used the "New Coke" analogy and the fiasco it created for "Mama Coke-Cola" as a possible pretext to radical changes. You know what, I guess I was right after all and I began drinking Pepsi in protest. I have always prided myself as being as truthful as possible in my posts on the forum. I don't appreciate unnecessarily coarse language. I want Broke Straight Boys to succeed as much as anybody devoted to the site.

I just feel these new episodes are intended to turn Broke Straight Boys 180 degrees from the Broke Straight Boys I used to love and adore. I recognized that the original Broke Straight Boys was like a large umbrella that was well rounded enough to encompass the diversity existing in their audience. Now, it seems there is no room for me on Broke Straight Boys This is not of my own doing and I resent being essentially spit out like so much pre-digested food. You might say I am more than a little bitter. I wanted to have access to a "Gay oriented forum" until I die, that I could relate to that encouraged free and open debate on a wide range of issues of the day. Now, even the forum has been severely impaired in its function due to these changes.

Adding Jeremy Hall is my last lifeline to be offered by Broke Straight Boys management. So, I am merely hanging by a single thread on the Bonus Sites with nothing from the parent site episodes and very little from the once wonderful forum. Is it all that hard to see why I am upset?

Sincerely wanting positive changes,


Stimpy

 

[qscott86]

And as for your broader point, with constructive criticism going both ways, can you guarantee us that we won't see further instances of negative stereotypes of gay people and gay sex coming from your models? In lubetube's excellent post, he comments how your models have said that they want to "wash the shame" and have used the term "fucking faggot". That has no place here. There is a world of difference in Derek, in one of the final videos for Broke Straight Boys 1.0, being uncomfortable because he's covered with other guys' cum, maybe for the first time, and the almost antiseptic rejection of their actions in the Jimmie and Matt video. These models make us feel dirty.

As much as I respect your and "lubetube"'s opinion, I strongly disagree. These are straight men (or are supposed to be) not gay men. If you've been around many straight men long, you'll know they have SOME negative stereotypes of gay men. I've watched all of the new episodes so far and I've seen little if any negative remarks. You seem to want the straight men to leap into gay sex without objection which isn't realistic.. perhaps they shooting for some realism that this site hasn't seen in years.

 

[qscott86]

Once more, a great post by you. You are quickly becoming one of my favorite posters.

I have to think the last two days have been particularly hard ones for both Mark and Clay. There wasn't much positive said about the Jimmy/Matt video, and the negative comments, including both yours and mine, were brutal. There are just so many times you can get kicked before you lash out and yell, "Stop kicking me!"

Brass balls, Mark, brass balls. In an earlier post, I complimented you on your wearing them. Let them hang outside your pants and wear them proudly.

Hahahaa I have to laugh at this.. you thinking that you and the other downers are that influential on making people have "hard" days. It is the negativity that is driving a lot of people away from this forum.. it's rarely substantive or constructive, but rather whiney.

 

[Smiley]

Scott, people aren't being driven away from the forum.

Those that have left have left because of what they are seeing on the videos. Not one person has said they are leaving Broke Straight Boys because of the forum.

I can't even imagine that happening.

I'm staying, just so you can quote me again. I love seeing extra attention paid to my posts. Thanks.

 

[raysvq]

Scott, people aren't being driven away from the forum.

Those that have left have left because of what they are seeing on the videos. Not one person has said they are leaving Broke Straight Boys because of the forum.

I can't even imagine that happening.

I'm staying, just so you can quote me again. I love seeing extra attention paid to my posts. Thanks.

You are not 100% correct Smiley.
One of the drivers for me leaving Broke Straight Boys is the forum.
I had become so disillusioned with the way the forum has gone over the last twelve months it just made my decision to leave all that much easier.

PS - I have enjoyed your posts

 

[Smiley]

Ray, thanks very much, and even more, thanks for correcting me.

FWIW, I'll do my part to make this a more pleasant place. I made the decision this afternoon to no longer criticize the new videos unless I see something catastrophically wrong. Frankly, I can't imagine something of that magnitude slipping through the editing process. Mark and Clay clearly know my feelings. To re-iterate them, or to even make new complaints, would be just piling on, never one of my favorite things, unless it was with a bunch of boys back in junior high gym class, and that's a whole different story.

It's time to wait and see what they have done with our suggestions.

I hope to see you on the flipside.

 

[raysvq]

Ray, thanks very much, and even more, thanks for correcting me.

FWIW, I'll do my part to make this a more pleasant place. I made the decision this afternoon to no longer criticize the new videos unless I see something catastrophically wrong. Frankly, I can't imagine something of that magnitude slipping through the editing process. Mark and Clay clearly know my feelings. To re-iterate them, or to even make new complaints, would be just piling on, never one of my favorite things, unless it was with a bunch of boys back in junior high gym class, and that's a whole different story.

It's time to wait and see what they have done with our suggestions.

I hope to see you on the flipside.

There is nothing wrong with criticism if the product is not right but make it constructive.
No comments, or just giving only praise, does not help to drive things forward, it only creates a false sense of "well we must be doing this right" & that causes the product to go stale.

 

[Smiley]

Agreed 100%, but I've made my constructive criticism. Now's the time to shut up.

I doubt Mark thinks things are hunky-dory right now.

Some positive reinforcement at this point would not be a bad thing. I hear from folks, including you, that the board has turned so negative. That in itself doesn't bother me. I've been involved with enough Internet forums to see these things go in waves. Right now it's negative. Sometime soon, I can guarantee you a wave of sweetness and light will wash over this forum. What does bother me is looking for the negative for negative's sake. That I don't want to be a part of.

 

[qscott86]

Agreed 100%, but I've made my constructive criticism. Now's the time to shut up.

I doubt Mark thinks things are hunky-dory right now.

Some positive reinforcement at this point would not be a bad thing. I hear from folks, including you, that the board has turned so negative. That in itself doesn't bother me. I've been involved with enough Internet forums to see these things go in waves. Right now it's negative. Sometime soon, I can guarantee you a wave of sweetness and light will wash over this forum. What does bother me is looking for the negative for negative's sake. That I don't want to be a part of.

Of course it doesn't bother because you're one of the main people making it negative. And you're absolutely incorrect as usual -- several people have been saying the negativity in the forums is what is driving them away.

 

[Smiley]

In all the years of being on the Internet, I've never before had my own fan.



Thank you, Scott, for giving meaning to my empty, wretched and miserable existence.

Can I adopt you and make you one of the family?

 

[Ms. Kianna]

In all the years of being on the Internet, I've never before had my own fan.



Thank you, Scott, for giving meaning to my empty, wretched and miserable existence.

Can I adopt you and make you one of the family?

Smiley, You are a glutton for punishment..........

 

[Smiley]

Better than being a mutton for penismeat.




Why do Scotsmen wear kilts?

Because sheep can hear zippers.

 

[lesit78]

Smiley, your posts are always well thought out and well written. You always speak your mind; and you share pointers as well as suggestions for improvement based on your experiences, which I personally appreciate very much.

You do this because you care about the product, not because you're just trying to complain even though I'm sure qscott disagrees. I think he is really frustrated with all the complaining, but I'm pretty sure Mark is listening and he's even said he is and they're working on making changes.

Tough love isn't usually much fun, but more often than not it achieves the desired effect.

I know that I too have been overly negative, and I am the first one to point out when I see something great!

Keep on posting.

Abe

 

[raysvq]

Question For The BluMedia Team

In so far as the forum membership goes we are but a small percentage of the overall Broke Straight Boys membership, there is no questioning that.
Taking out the mischief makers that come in make mischief then disappear never to be seen again - both on the pro & negative sides.
Taking out the sniping comments of forum members towards other forum members.

Does the BluMedia team not recognise that in the last few weeks the overall mood of the forum towards the new Broke Straight Boys product has been one of total negativity on a far grander scale than at any time in the history of the forum?

 

[mikeyank]

It is not only the models on the new Broke Straight Boys, but I remember some of the older models using such words. Remember Ashton using the "N" word and David making some off color remarks. So before we all get our boxers in a bunch, lest not start picking on the new guy. Some of the same haggling appeared in the older Broke Straight Boys scenes, quite often Dustin and Ashton would dicker, no pun intended, for the amount they would be paid.

Thank you lpdude for posting a dash of reality. As much as I loved BSB1, there were many warts there too. I even watched an old scene a few weeks ago, where David was actually waving $100 bills in a model's face. Perhaps this is a situation where our nostalgia makes us think that the "good old days" were perfect.

 

[lesit78]

Thank you lpdude for posting a dash of reality. As much as I loved BSB1, there were many warts there too. I even watched an old scene a few weeks ago, where David was actually waving $100 bills in a model's face. Perhaps this is a situation where our nostalgia makes us think that the "good old days" were perfect.

In porn, excluding hot sex, a little of anything else can go a very long way. Generally speaking, in Broke Straight Boys 1.0 the guys and their sex were the stars.

However, I've noticed that in Broke Straight Boys 2.0, props and the closely adhered to script have replaced the guys and have become the new stars.

Not saying that's a bad thing, but there is a role reversal and the guys seem to have become the props, and the props themselves along with the script have now taken center stage.

Abe