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No need to apologize. I wasn't put off in the least bit about it. I just wanted to set the record straight regarding his departure.
The key point of Broke Straight Boys from the old-one to the new one through to this current incarnation is to provide hot guys fucking whom we are to believe could be heterosexual. No matter if this guy or any other filmed for another studio. Broke Straight Boys needs to maintain a barnful of stallions -hot sexy appealing guys with cocks that throb when near a tight asshole who like to kiss lick choke swallow and provide pleasure at the fanstasy performance he provides. It does not matter a damn - in an age where anyone can film "exclusive" content with a phone and publish it online. All that matters most is keeping your members salivating for Devon's hot ass to get filled with cum and to provide Devon's tumescent proud preening prick with content-ass to fuck so we can watch it over and over and over again. Thanks but the only thing to TRUST is the model's reliably nymphomaniacal fucking performance.
stowe1
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Sha:
Hey, you'll tell us when a decision is made. You do understand of course that our opinions are based on our own personal views as to integrity, what a contract means, giving exceptions to things, etc. We don't know anything other than what you told us. We don't have a complete picture because I'm sure there are things you can't tell us. While it might make some on the forum feel good that you would ask for their opinion, in the final analysis it is Broke Straight Boys management that must make the decision. And I'm sure that whatever the decision some might bitch about. But not me. I think he should go for the reasons I stated. But if he stays that's fine with me as well. He's hot and he knows how to fuck. Good luck with it - personnel decisions are generally the hardest to make - but hey that's why they pay you the big bucks - lol !!!
mikeyank
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I have two points to make about the above post.
1- I can't believe that Caribou/KRU is actually responding to a thread rather than starting his own.
2- I can't believe that I agree 100% with a post by Caribou/KRU.
As I said earlier in this thread, it would have mattered to me five years ago, four years ago, or maybe two years ago if a Broke Straight Boys model was "whoring" himself around to different studios but this is 2016 and if a kid is hot, and masculine, it really doesn't matter to me anymore if he pulls a Vadim Black, jumping around from studio to studio or like Drake Tyler who has been with many studios before finding himself here. It's a brave new world in 2016 and I agree with KRU!!!!
Spartans987
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Devon is a hot guy however I agree - a contract is a contract and he has violated a lot of peoples trust - let him go! He had a choice and he could have communicated with you or staff before making such a decision - I no longer wish to view him
Further more, I have a sexual partner who was recently disciplined for something similar causing him to loose "shoots" filming time which resulted in a loss of income. Devon should be dismissed
Sha, I don't post a lot, but in this matter my feeling is that (1) he should be dismissed and (2) a civil suit should be brought against him for the contract violation. I know you stated he was "broke", but he chose to make the intentional violation of the contract leading to his profit and BSBs loss of exclusivity - which should NOT be tolerated as this sets president for future violations. He may be somewhat financially impaired, however obtaining a judgement against him would allow Broke Straight Boys to garnish wages/future earnings and more importantly just might let others contemplating similar acts become aware this is neither acceptable nor legal.
juanjo
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I have to say that I agree with this. I always understood that the guys who appeared here were not necessarily blushing neophytes to gay sex and in fact knew that a few of them had been around. So the issue of a actual Broke Straight Boys is not as big a deal as making a deal and not holding to it. If he signed knowing what that meant and broke the contract understanding the consequences then you are completely justified in firing him no matter how cue and how good he is at what he does.
mikeyank
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Hi Sha,
My question is why are you bringing the Devon "situation" to the forum when I can never recall you or Mark or any of the previous directors or administrators asking for forum input before deciding the fate of a model who has committed an infraction previously?
Please don't get me wrong. I love the fact that we are being brought "inside" of an apparently ongoing mini crisis between a popular model and management, and being the huge Broke Straight Boys fan that I am and also being a self proclaimed "yenta", lol, I love the juicy inside stuff, but having been on the forum since it's inception, it seems curious that only one time in the seven plus years that there has been a forum that membership is being brought into an ongoing situation between management and talent.
So my question is why??? From my perspective I would love it if all future similar situations would be run by the forum members, but if that is not going to be the new precedent, I wonder why Devon of all models who ever committed an infraction is being singled out for a public "hearing". It just seems odd to me and I was wondering why Devon?
Hi MikeYank... There always has to be a beginning. It just so happens that Devon was in the right place at the right time doing the wrong thing at the wrong time. Because so much of his content is going up from two different studios right now, it blindsided us and we expected it would blindside some of our membership. We wanted to get ahead of it and pull back the curtain to not only give you all a heads up of what was happening but also an explanation as to why it was troublesome.
Over the last couple of months we've issued a few spoiler alerts and pulled back the curtain in other areas letting folks know about some of the ways in which the various cogs turn to get scenes produced. In this case we are soliciting feedback and inviting inclusion into the process. It has nothing to do with Devon specifically... it was just that we were in a position to use the forum as a focus group. This thread is helping us check the temperature and take the pulse and give us a more macro view of the situation. We say time and again that we do listen to what you guys (and gal) say. This was a great opportunity in our opinion to let you all weigh in and allow us to be a little less insular in our process.
Bryce
Over the last couple of months we've issued a few spoiler alerts and pulled back the curtain in other areas letting folks know about some of the ways in which the various cogs turn to get scenes produced. In this case we are soliciting feedback and inviting inclusion into the process. It has nothing to do with Devon specifically... it was just that we were in a position to use the forum as a focus group. This thread is helping us check the temperature and take the pulse and give us a more macro view of the situation. We say time and again that we do listen to what you guys (and gal) say. This was a great opportunity in our opinion to let you all weigh in and allow us to be a little less insular in our process.
Bryce
mikeyank
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Thank you so much Bryce. I asked a direct question of management and you gave me a direct answer. I would love it if this is the beginning of a new, more open relationship between management and fans of Broke Straight Boys I have developed some good friendships with other members through this forum, and a comment we often have among ourselves is that we never know what is "really" going on with models as to who and why a particular model may come back or not, and there is usually no explanation by management. I applaud the team of Sha & Bryce for opening things up a bit and "pulling back the curtain" as you say, which in turn will make things even more interesting for me.
joeychuck2
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The idea that forum members are like a focus group is not exactly the way it is. Just being able to post here is different from the majority of members. I just get the idea that a vast majority of Broke Straight Boys members do NOT post. Any idea about that?
Broke Straight Boys is a business and what you should do is what is best for the business. If keeping Devon will keep or increase membership then keep him and others like him, If membership stays the same without him let him go.
Porn is a fantasy so what does it matter to us if he is somewhere else too. When we see him have sex here it is for that moment we watch and react to it. see him somewhere else its that moment. As far as viewers go it should not make a difference.
I don't care at all if Models shoot elsewhere. I think it's more about finding an "Esthetic" that appeals to you visually. Devon is HOT!!! And Broke Straight Boys is Extremely Lucky to have Devon call the Studio home. Finally building a Strong Roster of Models again. Already lost Draven( Who was SMOKIN HOT)! Let's not lose anymore Hot guys.
louis33705
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Borrowing words from another forum member sometimes I feel "Silence is Golden!"
I am going to use a porn star from another site as example to make my case. Johnny Rapid. Early in 2015 Johnny was absent from Men.com for a somewhat short period. When he returned all the hype was "Johnny's Back!" Johnny's absence was due to the fact he had been arrested for domestic violence against his girlfriend. It all stemmed from the fact she (gf) refused to set up a 3some between them and an under aged girl. He came back in all his glory.
My point is that some sites do not have input from the viewers nor output from the Admin.
I really am not sure what I am trying to convey here, but I will try to be as simple as possible.
A model is hired by Broke Straight Boys under varying contracts. The contracts are the business between the models and the organization. If a contract is breached, then any action taken is solely between the employee and employer. I do not see the subscribers nor forum members as a part of this process. A successful organization is only dependent on sole management decisions.
I appreciate your interest in asking for our opinions and input. However, the decision is management's and management's alone.
Louis
I am going to use a porn star from another site as example to make my case. Johnny Rapid. Early in 2015 Johnny was absent from Men.com for a somewhat short period. When he returned all the hype was "Johnny's Back!" Johnny's absence was due to the fact he had been arrested for domestic violence against his girlfriend. It all stemmed from the fact she (gf) refused to set up a 3some between them and an under aged girl. He came back in all his glory.
My point is that some sites do not have input from the viewers nor output from the Admin.
I really am not sure what I am trying to convey here, but I will try to be as simple as possible.
A model is hired by Broke Straight Boys under varying contracts. The contracts are the business between the models and the organization. If a contract is breached, then any action taken is solely between the employee and employer. I do not see the subscribers nor forum members as a part of this process. A successful organization is only dependent on sole management decisions.
I appreciate your interest in asking for our opinions and input. However, the decision is management's and management's alone.
Louis
Wow! I'm just finding this thread after getting back from a hiatus of sorts. Too much going on in my personal life recently to devote much time to the forum.
Sha's and the company's decision may have already been made by now. Being only one voice and opinion of many, I realize that the company is in fuller awareness of all the facts than I can be. So if they choose not to follow any of my advice I will not be put off by that. I appreciate though that they have voluntarily solicited our feedback on the issues here. Since we've been asked what some of our opinions are on the matter, I'll give some of my take. Part of what I'm about to say may sound more like personal musings or thinking out loud rather than a concise dissertation on all the facts and elements.
First of all I was surprised to find that the site still offers exclusive contracts. I'm pleased by that. But still a little surprised. Especially since we see examples of some models who seem to freely go from one site to another nowadays. Is anybody other than me surprised to find that Devon had been offered an exclusive contrast so quickly? While not totally undeserved, in my mind it seemed kind of fast I guess. Anyway...
To some of the more important issues, my take is this. I would say that whatever you decide, I would advise against seeking monetary damages for the breech of contract. You already know that any money you might get awarded by a court would be very difficult to collect. The little dab of money you might actually collect would not be worth your legal fees, your employees' labor hours involved, or the time and aggravation of going to court. Plus, a legal judgment against him could haunt the poor guy and have long-lasting negative consequences and implications for him that are unforeseen to everyone involved right now. In the short term it could mean the difference of whether he can even afford groceries to eat.
While you guys on the staff can decide either way...and I'll accept your decision gladly whichever way this goes...from where I sit on the outside looking in...I would advise you to let him go. I say this mainly because I myself have been in management for nearly two decades in years past with over 30 employees under me. From a management standpoint my biggest concern would be the precedent it would set for all the other employees. If the precedent is set that the contract can be broken without real consequence, then all the contracts are devalued. Once other employees see that employee X broke his contract and is still there enjoying all the perks offered by the contract, then everybody else will expect the same leniency. Once that happens the contract is not just devalued, but essentially worthless to the employer and only of value to the employee for the higher level of salary and however many number of future scenes are guaranteed. And for any newer models coming in who are working hard but getting paid less because they don't yet have a contract that other models are not honoring their end of anyway...it would hurt morale and contribute to a higher turnover.
I do feel sympathy for these 19 y/o's and 20-somethings because I do know that many of them struggle hand-to-mouth at that age especially. I've been there! I can remember times of eating one meal a day for most of the week. But even 19 and young 20-ish guys need to know that they aren't in a high school world anymore. A note or a phone call from a parent won't make everything all better anymore. Along with all the societal perks of turning 18 and being considered a legal adult who can sign contracts, get credit cards, loans, buy cars, property, etc...come real grownup responsibilities and expectations. If they get the idea that the rest of the world should take it easy on them, or that they are so special and entitled that rules are for other people to follow, but not them... Whew! It won't be pretty. Life will give them a serious smackdown. In my mind it can actually be better to make the point to them quickly when they are younger, than to see the consequences of some of that same behavior in their lives if and when a much more serious reckoning happens to them at 25 or older.
The fact that Devon didn't give in to jumping to just one other site, but two, also points to the lack of seriousness with which he views the contract. The decision is ultimately yours of course. And as I say, I'll be okay with whichever way this goes.
Sha's and the company's decision may have already been made by now. Being only one voice and opinion of many, I realize that the company is in fuller awareness of all the facts than I can be. So if they choose not to follow any of my advice I will not be put off by that. I appreciate though that they have voluntarily solicited our feedback on the issues here. Since we've been asked what some of our opinions are on the matter, I'll give some of my take. Part of what I'm about to say may sound more like personal musings or thinking out loud rather than a concise dissertation on all the facts and elements.
First of all I was surprised to find that the site still offers exclusive contracts. I'm pleased by that. But still a little surprised. Especially since we see examples of some models who seem to freely go from one site to another nowadays. Is anybody other than me surprised to find that Devon had been offered an exclusive contrast so quickly? While not totally undeserved, in my mind it seemed kind of fast I guess. Anyway...
To some of the more important issues, my take is this. I would say that whatever you decide, I would advise against seeking monetary damages for the breech of contract. You already know that any money you might get awarded by a court would be very difficult to collect. The little dab of money you might actually collect would not be worth your legal fees, your employees' labor hours involved, or the time and aggravation of going to court. Plus, a legal judgment against him could haunt the poor guy and have long-lasting negative consequences and implications for him that are unforeseen to everyone involved right now. In the short term it could mean the difference of whether he can even afford groceries to eat.
While you guys on the staff can decide either way...and I'll accept your decision gladly whichever way this goes...from where I sit on the outside looking in...I would advise you to let him go. I say this mainly because I myself have been in management for nearly two decades in years past with over 30 employees under me. From a management standpoint my biggest concern would be the precedent it would set for all the other employees. If the precedent is set that the contract can be broken without real consequence, then all the contracts are devalued. Once other employees see that employee X broke his contract and is still there enjoying all the perks offered by the contract, then everybody else will expect the same leniency. Once that happens the contract is not just devalued, but essentially worthless to the employer and only of value to the employee for the higher level of salary and however many number of future scenes are guaranteed. And for any newer models coming in who are working hard but getting paid less because they don't yet have a contract that other models are not honoring their end of anyway...it would hurt morale and contribute to a higher turnover.
I do feel sympathy for these 19 y/o's and 20-somethings because I do know that many of them struggle hand-to-mouth at that age especially. I've been there! I can remember times of eating one meal a day for most of the week. But even 19 and young 20-ish guys need to know that they aren't in a high school world anymore. A note or a phone call from a parent won't make everything all better anymore. Along with all the societal perks of turning 18 and being considered a legal adult who can sign contracts, get credit cards, loans, buy cars, property, etc...come real grownup responsibilities and expectations. If they get the idea that the rest of the world should take it easy on them, or that they are so special and entitled that rules are for other people to follow, but not them... Whew! It won't be pretty. Life will give them a serious smackdown. In my mind it can actually be better to make the point to them quickly when they are younger, than to see the consequences of some of that same behavior in their lives if and when a much more serious reckoning happens to them at 25 or older.
The fact that Devon didn't give in to jumping to just one other site, but two, also points to the lack of seriousness with which he views the contract. The decision is ultimately yours of course. And as I say, I'll be okay with whichever way this goes.
My own two cents, for as much as its worth as a newbie forumite is that above and beyond anything else a contract is a contract. If one person breaks his and is allowed to do so by management then the company's contracts are seen as nothing more than paper with blah, blah, blah on them -- it sets a precedent. If you are going to bother with contracts then you also have to honor them -- from both sides. Seems cut and dry to me -- business is business.
I also echo the sentiment of some earlier poster, though, and wonder why Broke Straight Boys even bothers with exclusive contracts? I have seen tons of Broke Straight Boys models all over the place, especially at other gay for pay and "this is my first time with a guy" sites. We also have to remember that these guys are all young with limited life experience -- some of them are pretty "fresh faced right off the farm" guys, so they don't fully understand the importance of keeping their word or their integrity in business and in life yet, so if someone else comes along with a fist full of money I can understand how they might be lured away to shoot elsewhere, contract or not. And I'm also sure that there are loads of very unscrupulous porn producers who tell these young guys anything to get them -- especially if they have a following or are popular on a site. Vadim Black admitted that after he left and came back the first time.
Anyway, bottom line for me is a contract is a contract, so if you hold yourselves as a legitimate and professional company then you have to follow the letter of the contract which you created and both parties agreed to.
I also echo the sentiment of some earlier poster, though, and wonder why Broke Straight Boys even bothers with exclusive contracts? I have seen tons of Broke Straight Boys models all over the place, especially at other gay for pay and "this is my first time with a guy" sites. We also have to remember that these guys are all young with limited life experience -- some of them are pretty "fresh faced right off the farm" guys, so they don't fully understand the importance of keeping their word or their integrity in business and in life yet, so if someone else comes along with a fist full of money I can understand how they might be lured away to shoot elsewhere, contract or not. And I'm also sure that there are loads of very unscrupulous porn producers who tell these young guys anything to get them -- especially if they have a following or are popular on a site. Vadim Black admitted that after he left and came back the first time.
Anyway, bottom line for me is a contract is a contract, so if you hold yourselves as a legitimate and professional company then you have to follow the letter of the contract which you created and both parties agreed to.
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Perfectly stated.
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