Devon Felix

[Stripe222]

I understand the concept of a porn site wanting to maintain an exclusive contract with a model, but due to the average age of the models on Broke Straight Boys and the corresponding level of maturity and lack of impulse control, I can see the pitfalls of expecting models who are getting a great deal of positive feedback on their "hotness" level to choose to break ranks.

I belong to another highly popular site with very hot, nearly physically perfect models. They have several long time models that I never see on any other site other than pirated scenes on some of the free sites. Maybe it comes down to the level of renumeration or number of scenes done.

Maybe the contract should contain a clause that provides for a deduction/denial in pay for one of the next scenes they do if they have broken the contract. If they balk at that, then so long. If they break it twice, they're gone. Just a thought.

 

[joeychuck2]

This is porn and as far as any member goes on or off the forums if he turns us on he is good if not he is not good. All is fantasy and makes no difference to me BUT to a company you have to decide what to do. If he gets away with it then others will too. Is there an advantage to the model to have an exclusive contract such as more pay or more scenes than not having such a contract? If there is then he has to be down graded and docked to continue working there.

 

[Ambivalent]

I don't care that he has filmed for another studio, but I do care that he broke the terms of his contract. He needs to learn that "your word" and your signature on a contract means you abide by that. I think he's a good looking guy, but their are others out there who will follow the rules set by the management. As a manager at my work, I'd let him go!!!!

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Wow, Peter,

As George H.W. Bush recently said of Dick Cheney, you're a real "iron-ass"!!! (And yet, somehow, a sweetheart, at the same time. . . ) LOL!!!

"A" ;-)))

 

[Ambivalent]

Ahem ~

I am so relishing the sound and spectacle of all the priests, moral philosophers, and corporate lawyers, weighing sagely in, upon this serious matter ;-))) Pristine standards, must be upheld, at such crucial junctures, in moral history!!! LOL!

Just teasing,
"A" ;-)))

*The Judge's Song ~ Gilbert and Sullivan. . . .

 

[ertas23]

Sha - I come out of the political world from two levels of status; 1. a lobbyist (national, multinational and international clients); and 2. "serving at the pleasure of" political leaders as their voice on Capital Hill (D.C. and MN) where my status was "exclusive". While that may not parallel the concept of exclusivity at Broke Straight Boys, it does come down to one character trait - integrity.

Integrity is the basis of loyalty. If I or one of "ours" violated the complicit trust we demanded (and returned), that individual was removed and blacklisted. Even in my fraternity days, if a member violated the pledge to uphold the teachings of our pedagogus, that member was "blackballed" from the brotherhood (as well as access to any other Greek organization.)

Now, I am from the "old school" of honor. Today's youth - anyone under 30, believe only in "entitlement" - and they live without considering consequences to their actions because they believe if the world offers something, to that they, too, are entitled without process of achievement. "If I want it, I do it" is their rule.

Since you have an "exclusive" contract, you have two options as I see it. !. You can throw it to the membership, tally the votes and let the subscribers determine the model's future at Broke Straight Boys; or, 2. You can throw out any measure of integrity - the model's AND Broke Straight Boys's (expectation) and allow the model entitlement (as well as control over Broke Straight Boys's use of that model's cooperation with the studio's demands). So what wins?

Integrity or Entitlement.

Having no knowledge of this industry's expectations of contractual "exclusivity" I cannot advise one way or the other. However, I would guess that exclusivity was intended to assure that Devon would perform only for Broke Straight Boys As such, I would expect that you paid him more than you do the "casual" model/client. Allowing him to continue is Broke Straight Boys's "permission" to every model (current stable and all future) that they are definitely "free agents" and you'd have to agree to work with them as their calendar permits - no expectations of loyalty allowed.

Physically, Devon has evolved. His body is incredible. You helped him build his confidence and it is evident in his performance. But what he has caused you to consider is this: "We've always had and treated our models as 'part of a big, happy family'. Now they are simply commodities to use, at a price, for our business."

Good luck on making your decision because it is not simply whether or not to continue Devon's contract but a philosophical change in how you run your business.

 

[Ambivalent]

I wonder why? There was no fuss when MY Beloved Paul was let go? He didn't brake his contract. Did He?

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Dearest Johnny -

The same could be said (I suppose) when MY beloved Jason was let go. No fuss, no muss, no questions - just the guillotine, and, c’est ça. . . CHOP!!!

Johnny, modest man that you are, you often deprecate yourself as being emotional, or even simple. But, in point of fact, I think you see more deeply into these matters, than almost anyone here. In this matter, tu as raison, mon ami ;-))) No members' plea ever could have saved Paul, or Jason. . . nor will it, ever.

"A" XOXOXOXOXO

 

[Ambivalent]

One of our team members recently made me aware that they have found that Devon appeared on two different sites other than Broke Straight Boys It appears that this content was filmed very recently and was just made available online. Devon is currently in an exclusive contract with us as many of our models are. This is yet another example of how unfortunately we can't always maintain the exclusivity of our models as many other sites continue to recruit our guys. Of course with an exclusive contract, we could pursue legal action towards the model, but what would that do since the model is indeed "broke".

The dilemma is that another model has broken our trust and he is a highly rated model with our members. Broke Straight Boys has always been a site where our members feedback does matter. Even though we aren't always able to make every single member happy with our decisions, I ask for your input on the best way to handle this particular situation.

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Sha,

The answer to your question is simple, doesn't require members' input, and you already know it.

Devon has a 4.25 model-rating on your site, and most of his scenes - with the exception of one - rate well over four. Obviously, quite a number of people appreciate his work.

If you, and the rest of the management team like him, then do as headmasters and college prefects have always done with young, irresponsible lads, and give him a good 'talking-to' - and he will continue earning you money.

If you don't like him, simply dispense with him, as with so many other favorite models, who to all outward appearances did no wrong; and some who did. Without a word. No one ever polled the members about giving Jake Tipton a second chance.

It's quite as simple, as that. What's the fuss, this time????

"A" XOXOXOXO

 

[mikeyank]

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Dearest Johnny -

The same could be said (I suppose) when MY beloved Jason was let go. No fuss, no muss, no questions - just the guillotine, and, c’est ça. . . CHOP!!!Again Ambi, as I responded to Johnny's initial post about Paul, I still find it curious that in my over seven years as a member of the site and the forum, that Devon is the only model who's infraction against company rules has been brought to our attention, before a decision has been made by management. My question is why now, and why Devon? Obviously models have broken rules before and management has handled it privately, so I wonder if there is more to this situation than meets the eye.

Johnny, modest man that you are, you often deprecate yourself as being emotional, or even simple. But, in point of fact, I think you see more deeply into these matters, than almost anyone here. In this matter, tu as raison, mon ami ;-))) No members' plea ever could have saved Paul, or Jason. . . nor will it, ever.

Again Ambi, as I responded to Johnny's initial post about Paul, I still find it curious that in my over seven years as a member of the site and the forum, that Devon is the only model who's infraction against company rules has been brought to our attention, before a decision has been made by management. My question is why now, and why Devon? Obviously models have broken rules before and management has handled it privately, so I wonder if there is more to this situation than meets the eye.

 

[mikeyank]

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Sha,

The answer to your question is simple, doesn't require members' input, and you already know it.

Devon has a 4.25 model-rating on your site, and most of his scenes - with the exception of one - rate well over four. Obviously, quite a number of people appreciate his work.

If you, and the rest of the management team like him, then do as headmasters and college prefects have always done with young, irresponsible lads, and give him a good 'talking-to' - and he will continue earning you money.

If you don't like him, simply dispense with him, as with so many other favorite models, who to all outward appearances did no wrong; and some who did. Without a word. No one ever polled the members about giving Jake Tipton a second chance.

It's quite as simple, as that. What's the fuss, this time????

"A" XOXOXOXO

I hope you saw my apology to Jake Tipton earlier in this thread Ambi. To me these are parallel situations. Jake was fired for lying to management about having appeared on other porn sites and Devon violated his contract with the company by doing the same thing. I don't know if Jake had signed any papers stating Broke Straight Boys was his first shoot but an oral contract can hold up as well as a written one based on circumstances.

Jake was a cute fresh faced and hot bodied kid, and by the current standards of Broke Straight Boys really deserved a better fate here, in my opinion.

 

[lpdude86]

I say let him go. He obviously is not trustworthy. To me if you keep him on it will lessen the integrity of the studio.
You should make it clear to all future "exclusive" models that if they do in fact break the contract that they will be terminated and leagal action will be taken. I understand that they are "broke" but if Broke Straight Boys took legal action against one model who broke the "exclusivity" contract I am sure it would be looked at differently by others. It would show that Broke Straight Boys means business and is willing to uphold the terms of their contracts.
I saw the piece on MTV with Vadim Black, I wish I was as broke as he is and could have a car like that. Just had to throw that in there.

 

[Ambivalent]

I hope you saw my apology to Jake Tipton earlier in this thread Ambi. To me these are parallel situations. Jake was fired for lying to management about having appeared on other porn sites and Devon violated his contract with the company by doing the same thing. I don't know if Jake had signed any papers stating Broke Straight Boys was his first shoot but an oral contract can hold up as well as a written one based on circumstances.

Jake was a cute fresh faced and hot bodied kid, and by the current standards of Broke Straight Boys really deserved a better fate here, in my opinion.

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Mike,

I did. And that quarrel (as between you and me, though I think and hope it was ever civil!) I consider to be far behind us.

My only quarrel is with Broke Straight Boys, for not allowing Jake the opportunity to make amends to you, and other charter members of the site, and proving his worth again, here.

"A" XOXOXOXO

 

[Ambivalent]

Again Ambi, as I responded to Johnny's initial post about Paul, I still find it curious that in my over seven years as a member of the site and the forum, that Devon is the only model who's infraction against company rules has been brought to our attention, before a decision has been made by management. My question is why now, and why Devon? Obviously models have broken rules before and management has handled it privately, so I wonder if there is more to this situation than meets the eye.

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Mike,

Hugs, and indeed. I saw your response to Johnny - which was both civil, and wise. In writing as I did, I was writing as a mad Celt to a passionate Sicilian, because my feelings were, and ARE, very much with Johnny, as regards the loss of Paul.

I also appreciate your questions, about Devon, and the timing of this odd canvass, of board opinion, on the matter. However, as I have noted in another post, my sense is that the board's approbation or other, is not required, for whatever course of action the management has undoubtedly already decided upon. . . and that, rather than making a melodrama of this, they should simply get on with whatever course of action, seems best to them.

"A" XOXOXOXOXO

 

[johnny]

I wonder if Sha will respond? Should be interesting seeing what he has to say.

 

[Sha]

What would you like for me to respond to? The question on why Paul was let go? If that is what you want then to my knowledge Paul was not let go as he decided to move on to other studios as he felt that he had done a fair number of scenes with us and he wanted to explore other opportunities.

I am sure that I am not responding to something as it seems no matter what we do there is no right way of dealing with situations. I didn't bring up the Devon situation to cause problems, I brought it up because I felt that I wanted some feedback. Maybe in the future I should just stick to doing my job and not posting anything. I am sure that won't happen as that is not really my nature.

 

[stowe1]

What would you like for me to respond to? The question on why Paul was let go? If that is what you want then to my knowledge Paul was not let go as he decided to move on to other studios as he felt that he had done a fair number of scenes with us and he wanted to explore other opportunities.

I am sure that I am not responding to something as it seems no matter what we do there is no right way of dealing with situations. I didn't bring up the Devon situation to cause problems, I brought it up because I felt that I wanted some feedback. Maybe in the future I should just stick to doing my job and not posting anything. I am sure that won't happen as that is not really my nature.

Sha:

No need to get into a snit because other models' were raised. You asked for input with respect to the Devon situation and the vast majority of posts gave you a variety of opinions. While I think that most felt that he should be let go, what I am interested in is the decision you guys make. That is the response from you in which I am interested.

 

[Sha]

No worries Stowe. I did not get into a "snit" because other models were mentioned. I actually corrected the false assumption regarding Paul.

 

[vicekid]

Sha,

I appreciate the fact that you felt it was important enough to come before the forum to ask for some advice. It is disappointing that models sign contracts and don't follow-through. As for taking Devon to court, I think it will serve no purpose and be a waste of time and money. I do believe, as others have said that integrity is so very important and that Broke Straight Boys as a company should insist on this. So for now as much as I like him, his time has come and gone. I do believe you should treat him like you did Vadium. Let him explore the other studio see how he is treated/paid, etc. If he calls you to come back, you give him the same chance you gave Vadium without a contract and see how it goes.

Going forward what I suggest:

1. Any model who lies on his application and gets caught (ie. never work for a studio but you find out he did) should be terminated for lying!
2. Have in the contract something that if a model is really in need of making money (more that he can make at Broke Straight Boys) have them come to you in advance so there are no surprises and perhaps Broke Straight Boys could help out.
3. If you decide to do exclusive contracts I'd include a clause that whatever the scene(s) prices are, they get 85%-90% of that price with the rest be held in an account (interest bearing) to be paid in a lump sum if the full terms of the contract are fulfilled. Payment to be made say x number days down the line. This way if they choose to beat the system they LOSE MONEY.
4. I'd also make any contract in a shorter term and include a bonus provision if they have made completed the contact in full. Again with payment to be made x number of days down the road. Like above, if they fail or something shows up that they worked doing their contact, they forfeit their final paycheck.

I know how well you and Mark treat your models and I for one don't want you, Mark or Broke Straight Boys taken advantage of. If a model wants to try out other studios and work for you as long as you know UP FRONT and the forum is aware of this, I have no objections to that.

Wishing you, Mark and the entire staff a Happy and Prosperous New Year.

Live Long and Prosper,
Vicekid

 

[stowe1]

No worries Stowe. I did not get into a "snit" because other models were mentioned. I actually corrected the false assumption regarding Paul.

I agree about correcting the Paul matter. I seem to remember somewhere in social media Paul saying the same thing. Am I correct in presuming that since you asked for our views regarding the Devon matter, you will inform us as to its final disposition?

 

[Sha]

Of course. I just don't know when that will be as it seems that feelings are very split on this situation. I can understand that as I am totally split down the middle on this as well. I do understand that like most people, these guys live from one check to the next and there are many companies out there just waiting for an opportunity to work with some of our guys so that is just part of the industry. Either way though I will let everyone know whenever I decide. Now back to working on getting the guys set up for the January shoots.

 

[louis33705]

I am at the point where I really don't care anymore. However, I do have a question.

What are the differences between Vadim Black's and Devon's contracts that allows Vadim Black to work on Men.com and yet he remains on Broke Straight Boys?