Couple of random Bieber pics, for MikeYank ;-)

[mikeyank]

From the same Calvin Klein ad campaign.

 

[rafe59]

From the same Calvin Klein ad campaign.

whether you like J.B. or not....this is just one sweet ass boy.....

 

[Ambivalent]

You guys should really read what I wrote. Did I say anything about Marky Mark? No. Thus it is illogical for you to infer that my disapproval of Bieber was in any way an endorsement of Mark. I did not approve of him either and still don't. He was then and still is a raging homophobe. And while even I can admire their physcial attributes, CK could have easily found others who have either the same or better physical attributes but who present a more wholesome public image - in my humble opinion, of course.

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Hey, dear Stowie ~

With all the love and respect in the world: absolutely, I read what you wrote. Absolutely,, I understood it. And, actually, I'm rather in sympathy with your contention! But I am guilty of no leap of logic - let alone illogic - in this matter, whatsoever ;-))) *Perhaps an implied, or buried premise, which wasn't obvious to you ~ but naught more than THAT, my friend!* ;-)

A genuine conviction of illogic (unless you are in possession of some 21st-century Venn diagram, whose dimensions extrude themselves in more directions than I can see, hear, smell, or taste): would require me to have maintained:
*S says 'A', about Justin Bieber.
*I also say 'A', about Justin Bieber.
*THEREFORE, the proposition, 'A', is FALSE, about Justin Bieber.

(That would have been a lapse of logic, Stowie - absolutely!)

However, I didn't misunderstand your premise. I didn't contradict it. In fact, I reinforced it. By assuring you that "Calvin Klein" (as a coporation - though goodness knows, likely as an individual, too) - has "never really been concerned with exalting moral probity." In so saying, Stowie, I was simply REINFORCING your CASE: to the effect that, you are correct ~ Calvin Klein often hires morally deficient individuals with pretty faces and great abdominal muscles, to serve as its models.

Stowie, I fail to discern either a misinterpretation of your words. . . or a lapse in logic. . . at ANY stage of this progression. I simply made so bold as to AGREE with you that, yes, CK and his minions often engage real reprobates, to show off their underwear! LOL!!! Now, I never TAUGHT logic at the university (I taught political philosophy, which, as you know, is mostly DEVOID of logic): but, should you wish to submit this case to old Professor V. ~ who originally taught ME logic ~ you are welcome to DO SO ;-)

HOWEVER, in fairness to YOU, Stowie - and to my (perhaps not eternal, but temporal, and temporary, shame): there IS one 'buried premise' in my discourse, supra. AND THAT IS. . . (and perhaps it is a premise which I share with MikeYank, though he will have to speak for himself, on this point, because it is a matter of aesthetics, and not logic, PROPER. . . .):

*Not ALL PHYSICALLY BEAUTIFUL, or PHYSICALLY DESIRABLE, young men, are ALSO (of necessity) MORALLY GOOD.* Stowie (and Jon, as well): I believe that this proposition is one which Kant would term to be not 'analytic' (that is, true by its very definition): but, 'synthetic' ~ that is, true only in terms of its EMPIRICAL RELATION to the world, as we know it.

Analytic propositions (like those of mathematics or geometry) are, by their very nature, indubitable. Synthetic propositions are true ONLY insofar as they can be demonstrated by experimentation and experience, in the real world. Stowe, I feel that the proposition, "Not all PHYSICALLY BEAUTIFUL, or PHYSICALLY DESIRABLE, young men, are ALSO (of necessity) MORALLY GOOD", has been well-enough established not only in MY experience, but in the history of the literature pertaining to great inamoratos, generally, that it MIGHT AS WELL be treated as axiomatic. But I might be wrong.

And, you might well not agree with this, Stowe. You might feel, in fact, that all truly beautiful young men are angels. Or, you might ALSO feel that neither Justin Bieber nor Mark Wahlberg ever fell into the category of "beautiful young men", in the first place. In either case, I have betrayed you, to some degree - but, if so, I have not betrayed you in LOGIC ~ but rather in a matter of aesthetics(which, as you know, is a slightly different area of philosophy, ever since Kant ~ if you are a hard-core Platonist, I shall be utterly LOST): and also, possibly, in the great discourtesy of not ENTIRELY disclosing my intial premise.

Yours, philosophically,
"A" XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO ;-)

P.S. I'm just TEASING YOU HARD, Stowe ~ don't take it seriously ;-))) *If I can find it, I MIGHT be able to dig up a recent article about the Biebs, which will make you LAUGH.*

 

[mikeyank]

HOWEVER, in fairness to YOU, Stowie - and to my (perhaps not eternal, but temporal, and temporary, shame): there IS one 'buried premise' in my discourse, supra. AND THAT IS. . . (and perhaps it is a premise which I share with MikeYank, though he will have to speak for himself, on this point, because it is a matter of aesthetics, and not logic, PROPER. . . .):

*Not ALL PHYSICALLY BEAUTIFUL, or PHYSICALLY DESIRABLE, young men, are ALSO (of necessity) MORALLY GOOD.* Stowie (and Jon, as well): I believe that this proposition is one which Kant would term to be not 'analytic' (that is, true by its very definition): but, 'synthetic' ~ that is, true only in terms of its EMPIRICAL RELATION to the world, as we know it.

I completely agree Ambi. I honestly don't know Justin's music, and I would not recognize his singing voice on the radio at all. I don't admire him as a human being in any way. I just think that he is fucking beautiful, and if given the opportunity, I would lick him like an all day sucker, and leave no part of him "unlicked".

 

[Ambivalent]

So -

Here is the gossip I am sure might make Stowe and Jon chuckle. . . sources say that the Biebs' photos were heavily re-touched, giving him bigger pecs, and bigger biceps, and a treasure-trail he doesn't really possess (and a bigger bulge, too). . . and that he was a "douche" to fellow-model Lara Stone, so she basically had to swat him off, and tell him to "BUGGER OFF".

Now, all these reports are unconfirmed, but. . . that sounds like our Justin!!! LOL!!!

"A" ;-)

http://defamer.gawker.com/unretouched-photos-calvin-klein-gave-justin-bieber-a-p-1678469833

 

[peterh6308]

I just read that someone on the photo shoot leaked that Justins bulge was photo-shopped to look bigger hahaha I'd still go for a ride and bring LJ as back-up!!!

 

[Ambivalent]

I just read that someone on the photo shoot leaked that Justins bulge was photo-shopped to look bigger hahaha I'd still go for a ride and bring LJ as back-up!!!

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Link for you above, Peter ;-)

"A" XOXOXOXO

 

[Ambivalent]

I completely agree Ambi. I honestly don't know Justin's music, and I would not recognize his singing voice on the radio at all. I don't admire him as a human being in any way. I just think that he is fucking beautiful, and if given the opportunity, I would lick him like an all day sucker, and leave no part of him "unlicked".

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Mike, above, we were talking about "logic", not experience of the man himself. As I have said a few times before:

*I care a lot about singing - as some of you have gathered, at other times, and in other places. JB is not the best singer ever, but he is not the worst, either. He has a sweet and pleasant voice, and he has given a few beautiful covers of other people's songs - most notably, "Come Home to Me."

*Yes, for the last couple of years he has been a jackass. But I do know people who have worked with him closely, who say that (at least up until a couple of years ago) he was a total sweetheart. He has a very sweet and caring Mom, and (from what my friends tell me) a Dad who is a total f***-up. As money and hormones took over, he chose to abandon his Mom's example, and hang with his Dad, who abandoned him years ago - and just party all the time. I think the corrosive impact of a $64-million per annum income on an 18-year-old, can't be underestimated.

*I would say this not only to Mike, and the people who LIKE JB in some small way, but also to those who DETEST him. . . Would you wish this kind of life on a brother, or friend, or son, or nephew, of yours? I wouldn't. It might be nice to have Lamborghinis and mansions and all that stuff when you are 16 years old, but. . . the downside is not getting to have the love and discipline most of US have received from caring parents, who set limits for us. . . .

In the back of MY head, when I think about guys like this, is always a LITTLE bit of concern for guys like JB as human beings, as human SOULS. JB is now surrounded by - a BAD DAD, a cadre of paid 'yes-men', and is basically a walking "ID". I don't know what I would have done if I could have had anything I wanted when I was 18 and horny (and it's impossible for me to even IMAGINE, because my parents were strict disciplinarians, but). . . I sort of feel like JB is more to be pitied, than HATED, as so many people seem to HATE him, now. (Though admittedly he's done a fair bit to deserve it.)

I mean, I went to uni when I was 16, on a tide of scholarship money, but I COULDN'T lose my bearings, because my parents were ALWAYS there, EVERY DAY, with lots of love and LOTS of expectations. (My Mother famously said, "'A' ~ you get 'A's, or don't come HOME!")

JB's lifelong ambition has been to be LIKE ELVIS, or be like Michael Jackson, and he'll never be as great a star as either of those two, but. . . unfortunately. . . he might just get his wish, in other ways, that are NOT so good :-(((( In a weird, inverted, way, he is just as badly off as some of our models who are in trouble with the law and have NO money. They have NOTHING - he has. . . TOO MUCH. And Aristotle always said, 'virtue is the golden mean - midway between two paths of vice' - and I am not sure JB ever had the chance to find that path.

So, you know, a little compassion would be nice, also - even though he is such a jackass. Maybe BECAUSE he is such a jackass?

*And yeah - I'll confess that I think he is super-cute, also. (All except his feet - which are UGLY - and I'm a connoisseur! ;-) But as beautiful as ANY guy has ever been, or that I've ever met, I've never felt that gives me licence either to lick him up (like an orange popsicle - because I LOVE orange popsicles!); or to toss him out the window, like a cream popsicle (because I HATE cream popsicles). . . I just think there is more to people, than that. Eyes, and smile, and pecs, and abs, and all the rest. . . .

Sure, that's all fun. But everybody has a story. And just about everybody deserves a little care and compassion. Whether they are someone you'd choose as a friend, or not. I think. And sometimes people who go astray - even way, WAY, astray, like the Biebs has - deserve a little compassion, too.

The Biebs grew up eating at food-banks, and performing at the side of the road to make a few nickels, for groceries. It is little-known that he has given millions to children's food-banks in Canada (especially in Ontario, where he grew up): and I think his heart is in the right place. BUT - now he is surrounded by a lot of bad people, and a lot of drugs, and a lot of hedonism - and maybe that has ruined his character forever. (I hope not.) But, rich and privileged as he is now, he is still just a messed-up kid, and I think he deserves a little compassion, too, and shouldn't just be treated as a human plaything, to be consumed, criticized, and cast away, forever.

"A" XOXOXOXOXO

 

[peterh6308]

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Link for you above, Peter ;-)

"A" XOXOXOXO

Little dick or not I'd still let him nail me. Take pics of it and send them to Mikeyank for fun!!! My boy Damien Kyle said he'd go around or two with the Bieb. Actually I'll qoute Damien Kyle " I'd be there early for the shoot"

 

[mikeyank]

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Mike, above, we were talking about "logic", not experience of the man himself. As I have said a few times before:

*I care a lot about singing - as some of you have gathered, at other times, and in other places. JB is not the best singer ever, but he is not the worst, either. He has a sweet and pleasant voice, and he has given a few beautiful covers of other people's songs - most notably, "Come Home to Me."

*Yes, for the last couple of years he has been a jackass. But I do know people who have worked with him closely, who say that (at least up until a couple of years ago) he was a total sweetheart. He has a very sweet and caring Mom, and (from what my friends tell me) a Dad who is a total f***-up. As money and hormones took over, he chose to abandon his Mom's example, and hang with his Dad, who abandoned him years ago - and just party all the time. I think the corrosive impact of a $64-million per annum income on an 18-year-old, can't be underestimated.

*I would say this not only to Mike, and the people who LIKE JB in some small way, but also to those who DETEST him. . . Would you wish this kind of life on a brother, or friend, or son, or nephew, of yours? I wouldn't. It might be nice to have Lamborghinis and mansions and all that stuff when you are 16 years old, but. . . the downside is not getting to have the love and discipline most of US have received from caring parents, who set limits for us. . . .

In the back of MY head, when I think about guys like this, is always a LITTLE bit of concern for guys like JB as human beings, as human SOULS. JB is now surrounded by - a BAD DAD, a cadre of paid 'yes-men', and is basically a walking "ID". I don't know what I would have done if I could have had anything I wanted when I was 18 and horny (and it's impossible for me to even IMAGINE, because my parents were strict disciplinarians, but). . . I sort of feel like JB is more to be pitied, than HATED, as so many people seem to HATE him, now. (Though admittedly he's done a fair bit to deserve it.)

I mean, I went to uni when I was 16, on a tide of scholarship money, but I COULDN'T lose my bearings, because my parents were ALWAYS there, EVERY DAY, with lots of love and LOTS of expectations. (My Mother famously said, "'A' ~ you get 'A's, or don't come HOME!")

JB's lifelong ambition has been to be LIKE ELVIS, or be like Michael Jackson, and he'll never be as great a star as either of those two, but. . . unfortunately. . . he might just get his wish, in other ways, that are NOT so good :-(((( In a weird, inverted, way, he is just as badly off as some of our models who are in trouble with the law and have NO money. They have NOTHING - he has. . . TOO MUCH. And Aristotle always said, 'virtue is the golden mean - midway between two paths of vice' - and I am not sure JB ever had the chance to find that path.

So, you know, a little compassion would be nice, also - even though he is such a jackass. Maybe BECAUSE he is such a jackass?

*And yeah - I'll confess that I think he is super-cute, also. (All except his feet - which are UGLY - and I'm a connoisseur! ;-) But as beautiful as ANY guy has ever been, or that I've ever met, I've never felt that gives me licence either to lick him up (like an orange popsicle - because I LOVE orange popsicles!); or to toss him out the window, like a cream popsicle (because I HATE cream popsicles). . . I just think there is more to people, than that. Eyes, and smile, and pecs, and abs, and all the rest. . . .

Sure, that's all fun. But everybody has a story. And just about everybody deserves a little care and compassion. Whether they are someone you'd choose as a friend, or not. I think. And sometimes people who go astray - even way, WAY, astray, like the Biebs has - deserve a little compassion, too.

The Biebs grew up eating at food-banks, and performing at the side of the road to make a few nickels, for groceries. It is little-known that he has given millions to children's food-banks in Canada (especially in Ontario, where he grew up): and I think his heart is in the right place. BUT - now he is surrounded by a lot of bad people, and a lot of drugs, and a lot of hedonism - and maybe that has ruined his character forever. (I hope not.) But, rich and privileged as he is now, he is still just a messed-up kid, and I think he deserves a little compassion, too, and shouldn't just be treated as a human plaything, to be consumed, criticized, and cast away, forever.

"A" XOXOXOXOXO

Dear Ambi,

I hope you realize that I wish no ill will on him, and I do understand the hard beginnings he had in life. I've never been one to begrudge anyone's success in life. As I know many people who say how can you pay a baseball player 20 million dollars and not the same to teachers or policeman whose work is so much more important. Life is not fair, but if Justin Beiber has made it to the mega stardom success in life, I am very pleased for him. But I honestly have never heard a complete song of his, nor do I know anything more about him than what I read here. Yes it is shallow, but I am purely interested in him because he is so beautiful.

As Rod Stewart sang in "Your're in my Heart", with me for Justin, "The attraction is purely physical". I love to look at pretty guys in their late teens to early twenties with pretty faces and thin smooth toned tight bodied and Justin is just that! Beautiful eye candy for me to over!!! lol

 

[Ambivalent]

Hey, Mike -

Believe me - I'm not upset with you for liking JB primarily (or only!) because he's cute! (Because - apart from his stubby little toes - LOL) he really is, I think ;-) I just wanted to remind people that, while he isn't perfect, he is a human being, also. I think our culture has an unfortunate tendency to turn celebrities into commodities for consumption, rather than regarding them as human beings with real faults, failings, and problems of their own.

I HATE it when people treat our favourite models that way - - - and I think (even with distant figures like JB, with whom we have little to no contact): it's important to keep a little humanity in the equation. (Anyway, you always do XOXOXOXO)

"A" XOXOXOXO

 

[rafe59]

Hey, Mike -

Believe me - I'm not upset with you for liking JB primarily (or only!) because he's cute! (Because - apart from his stubby little toes - LOL) he really is, I think ;-) I just wanted to remind people that, while he isn't perfect, he is a human being, also. I think our culture has an unfortunate tendency to turn celebrities into commodities for consumption, rather than regarding them as human beings with real faults, failings, and problems of their own.

I HATE it when people treat our favourite models that way - - - and I think (even with distant figures like JB, with whom we have little to no contact): it's important to keep a little humanity in the equation. (Anyway, you always do XOXOXOXO)

"A" XOXOXOXO

Well Stated Ambi, Well Stated....I agree with you 100%....You truly are a Gentleman of Human kind in this nasty world.....For what ever reason, it seems we build them up and then once they reach the that God like status we heap upon them, we want to destroy them for the same mistakes that we see everyday with other young people.....Live long and Prosper my Friend.....

 

[Ambivalent]

Well Stated Ambi, Well Stated....I agree with you 100%....You truly are a Gentleman of Human kind in this nasty world.....For what ever reason, it seems we build them up and then once they reach the that God like status we heap upon them, we want to destroy them for the same mistakes that we see everyday with other young people.....Live long and Prosper my Friend.....

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Kisses, Rafe XOXOXOXOXOXO

"A"

 

[mikeyank]

I just saw this pic on Facebook and found this thread from nine years ago to share it on. Some things never change, like my fascination with The Biebs and my love of this forum and the archives with forumites over the years.

 

[peterh6308]

I just saw this pic on Facebook and found this thread from nine years ago to share it on. Some things never change, like my fascination with The Biebs and my love of this forum and the archives with forumites over the years.

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It was nice to read the comments from our dear friends!

 

[mikeyank]

It was nice to read the comments from our dear friends!

Exactly Peter. I know that we are down to just a very few still here on the forum who remember the earlier times, but I am eternally grateful to Mark and his staff for maintaining not just the great archives of the Broke Straight Boys scenes but also the entire contents of this beloved forum. So many people who were indeed my online family over these past fifteen years.

Again what an unexpected bonus from a website that I discovered to jerk off to featuring the kind of straight appearing guys who always turned me on, morphing into a social media phenomenon that has influenced me so profoundly.

 

[tampa24]

Well said!

 

[peterh6308]

Exactly Peter. I know that we are down to just a very few still here on the forum who remember the earlier times, but I am eternally grateful to Mark and his staff for maintaining not just the great archives of the Broke Straight Boys scenes but also the entire contents of this beloved forum. So many people who were indeed my online family over these past fifteen years.

Again what an unexpected bonus from a website that I discovered to jerk off to featuring the kind of straight appearing guys who always turned me on, morphing into a social media phenomenon that has influenced me so profoundly.

As my beloved British Bulldog would say "stop acting like a pussy Mikeyank" lololololol

 

[mikeyank]

As my beloved British Bulldog would say "stop acting like a pussy Mikeyank" lololololol

I mentioned yesterday that Beth is still # 9 in all time posts on the forum. Your British bulldog, Jon is still #5. By the way, you are #7. Luckily Tampa still remains as an active poster and Jay and Chac and sadly only a few others are regular contributors who also have something interesting to say In discussion posts. I wish more people would discuss topics of interest that everyone can comment on and discuss as it once was.