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America in shut down

Speaking of long time, "very important" forumites, to me, you too Robert have been sorely missed on the forum. It is always great to see your handsome face, and to read your thoughtful, often amusing, but always interesting posts.

:welcome: back home, dear sweet wonderful Robert. :thumbup:

It is great to see you back Robert. :)
 
It is great to see you back Robert. :)

Hello boys. Have been busy lately building a website for Maurizio, an Italian friend. He owns a restaurant in Amsterdam.

Doing so I checked out the Broke Straight Boys forum almost daily... it's not as I've been gone, but it's all quiet too here... is this the silence before a storm?

 
Robert it is quiet because these Yanks are walking around with their heads in the clouds as if nothing every happens lol. Glad you're back my friend. Mucho idaho... Whatever that means lol
 
Hello boys. Have been busy lately building a website for Maurizio, an Italian friend. He owns a restaurant in Amsterdam.

Doing so I checked out the Broke Straight Boys forum almost daily... it's not as I've been gone, but it's all quiet too here... is this the silence before a storm?

I am glad you were busy with work and believe me you were missed here, and what a great song by such a great group. I am a huge Jim Morrison and the Doors fan. So we agree on the kind of porn we like, and apparently some music too. :biggrin:
 
You are most welcome Mickey!
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Latest from msn.

Hopes are growing for a deal to head off a US government default and end a partial government shutdown after encouraging comments from the congressional leaders at the centre of the talks.
The stock market turned positive on the optimistic predictions of Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid for the Democrats and Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell.
"We've made tremendous progress," Mr Reid declared after an intense day of negotiations with Mr McConnell and other politicians.
"Perhaps tomorrow will be a bright day," he said, suggesting agreement could be announced soon after weeks of stubborn gridlock.
Congress has failed to pass a bill temporarily funding the government, leading to a partial government shutdown that has affected 350,000 federal workers.
Separately, if Congress does not approve a measure increasing the amount of money the government is allowed to borrow, the Obama administration says it will not be able to pay its bills, risking a default that experts say could prove catastrophic for the economy.
The two normally routine pieces of legislation have become entangled in disputes over Mr Obama's health care overhaul and overall government spending.
Visiting a charity not far from the White House, the president blended optimism that a deal could be made with an attack on Republicans.
"My hope is that a spirit of co-operation will move us forward over the next few hours," he said.
But he added: "If we don't start making some real progress both in the House and the Senate, and if Republicans aren't willing to set aside some of their partisan concerns in order to do what's right for the country, we stand a good chance of defaulting."
Any legislation would require passage in the Senate and also in the House, where a large faction of conservative, tea party-aligned politicians precipitated the shutdown two weeks ago despite the efforts of both Mr McConnell and Republican Speaker John Boehner.
In the days since, polls show a marked deterioration in public support for the party.
Officials said Mr Reid and Mr McConnell were discussing legislation to raise the government's 16.7 trillion dollar (£10.5 trillion) debt limit until spring, staving off the possible default.
Besides approving legislation to fund the government until late this year, they considered appointing House and Senate negotiators to seek a deficit-reduction agreement that could ease or eliminate a new round of automatic federal spending cuts scheduled to begin in January.
While the current round of these cuts fell on both domestic programmes and the military, the upcoming reductions would primarily hit the Pentagon.
Also under discussion, officials said, was a possible tightening in income verification requirements for individuals who qualify for subsidies under Mr Obama's health care reform law.
Treasury Secretary Jack Lew has told Congress the deadline for raising the debt limit is Thursday.
He, the president and a wide array of economists, bankers and politicians in both parties - at home and backed by world leaders - have all warned that default could have catastrophic consequences for both the domestic and global economies.
The doubters claim that no default will occur - and if it does, it will not be the calamity that others claim.
But the fear of economic harm produced warnings from around the globe that the US must not permit a default.
Christine Lagarde, the International Monetary Fund's managing director, spoke with concern about the disruption and uncertainty over the weekend, warning of "a risk of tipping, yet again, into recession" after the fitful recovery from 2008.
 
Well Jon,

Even when this happened the last time with the debt ceiling drama ending without default, the U.S. still lost its AAA+ credit rating. It's not good to even be playing this politicized game in the first place with a possible national default. The stakes are too high. Even if we head off default this week just like we did a while back, we could still see a drop in our credit rating again. That just drives up our borrowing costs and makes the deficit spending all the worse. While that would seem on the face of it to be only a domestic economic and political concern, the old saying is still mostly true. "When the U.S. coughs, Europe gets pneumonia."
 
How much these Republican idiots must hate Obama...
Ah ha Robert, now you are getting down to the crux of the matter. In today's New York Daily News, the fine columnist Denis Hamill has a wonderful column called "Ugly truth of D.C. standoff-racist whites". I looked for an online version of the column but have not found it yet, but will keep looking and hopefully post it here.

I will quote one line from his piece referring to the Tea Party :

"This small crew of frightened white men wants Obama to fail because they can't accept a black President succeeding in their anachronistic vision of America."

When one cuts through all the bullshit there is a lot of truth in what Mr. Hamill writes.
 
Without insulting anyone.. Do we therefore think it's a race issue ?
We are talking about subtle things that tea partiers say, nothing outright racist, but there is no doubt in my mind that this president is being treated with less respect, by some than any other president during my lifetime.
 
A key point is to slash help to what the Right sees as “undeserving” Americans, especially people of color. The ugly side of this crypto-racist behavior also surfaced in the gloating by right-wing pundits over the acquittal of George Zimmerman in the murder of unarmed black teenager Trayvon Martin. Fox News pundits, in particular, have mocked the outrage over the verdict from America’s black community and Obama’s personal expression of sympathy.

It is now clear that Obama’s election in 2008 was not the harbinger of a “post-racial” America, but rather the signal for white right-wingers to rally their forces to “take back America.” The fact that the modern Republican Party has become almost exclusively white and the nation’s minorities have turned more and more to the Democratic Party has untethered the GOP from any sense of racial tolerance.

There is now a white-supremacist nihilism emerging in the Republican strategy, a visceral contempt for even the idea of a multi-racial democracy that favors a more vigorous federal government. Some of these extremists seem to prefer sinking the world’s economy via a U.S. debt default than compromising with President Obama on his economic and social agenda.

Though the mainstream media avoids the white supremacist framing for the political story – preferring to discuss the upcoming clash as a philosophical dispute over big versus small government, — the reality is that the United States is lurching into a nasty struggle over the preservation of white political dominance. The size-of-government narrative is just a euphemistic way of avoiding the underlying issue of race, a dodge that is as old as the Republic.
read more: http://consortiumnews.com/2013/07/24/racist-roots-of-gop-war-on-obama/

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Well it has finally been sorted. The BBC did some interviews with members of the public and most are very unhappy about the way the whole incident has been handled. But will they learn.
 
after 3 billion dollars and two weeks, and driving the world economy to the edge, congress agrees to fund the government and approve selling bonds. other than those directly affected the result is what was to be expected. the process designed to be tense. if we had a different government, then we would be another nation. in the end, the right thing is done. certainly, after the other ways have not worked.

a part of this thing is race.
 
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A fistful of dollars

Dear Another1,

Three billion is just for the missed revenue, the total economic damage is higher... I'm the bearer of bad news!


Shutdown took $24 billion bite out of economy

October 17
The United States may have dodged an economic catastrophe by raising the debt ceiling and opening the government, but it didn't emerge from the political debacle unscathed.

The 16-day government shutdown took a $24 billion chunk out of the U.S. economy, according to an initial analysis from Standard & Poor's.

As a result, the rating agency projects that the U.S. economy will grow 2.4% in the fourth quarter -- as opposed to the roughly 3% growth rate predicted prior to the shutdown.
read more: http://money.cnn.com/2013/10/16/news/economy/shutdown-economic-impact/
 
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