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Sinners you must repent.

Repent for what? The models are her of their own volition. The forumites are here of their own volition. Nobody is being hurt and everyone for the most part seems to have fun. So, basically everything going on in here is consensual. The Old Testament of the Bible is how things were before Jesus the Christ. In Leviticus when is says if man lies with a man as he lies with a woman he has committed an abomination against God; this is not God speaking, it is man. This was spoken to encourage the rebuilding of the Tribes of Israel.

The New Testament of the Bible explains that our sins were washed away and forgiven by Jesus the Christ's sacrifice. The lesson Jesus wanted to teach us was that we did not need to kill each other or make sacrifices of Gods other living creatures for our mistakes. The lesson is to love each other unconditionally. We need to learn to appreciate each other with all of our flaws because God created each of us, and each of is perfect whole and complete just the way we are. God also gave us the freedom to choose to watch sex, experience sex, and to give of our selves sexually unconditionally to our partners as an expression of Divine unconditional love. There is no sin in this...

Sinning only means to miss the mark you were aiming for. I think everyone in this forum is right on target. Bless your heart I hope that you one day find inner peace and that you can shed a life filled with fear so that you may one day find divine unconditional love in your life. :thumbup1:

AMEN Jayman! That's the best difinition I have ever heard.
 
AMEN Jayman! That's the best difinition I have ever heard.

Thank you Denny Bear.:thumbup: I just tried to follow what I know to be true in my heart... Untimately that is all anyof us can really do when it comes to interpreting religious dogma.

I always try to remind everyone that we have seven chakras. Aside from chakra meaning spinning wheel it also referrs to the seve sacred temples of the body. Each Temple resonates with one of the seven Churches. I each of the seven churches represent one of the seven natures of pan or personality types. We must enter into each church with humility and without ego and accept our gifts through this church as well as our traps without judgement or reservation. When we center ourselves in balance withour ego and we move into a state of innocense and allign our chakras as one. We open our heart to receive divine love and communication with the God source through our oneness with creation and all that is and all that will be. The less ego we come with the clearer our answers will be. This is the source of divine truth and wisdom.:thumbup:
 

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About the Seven Churches

The History of the Churches

The churches are seven different types of people who have different gifts and traps. It takes these seven different types of people to create a working society. We call them churches, but they can also be referred to as archetypes, clans, or tribes. They are "ways of being or giftedness". Each of the seven churches has attributes and gifts that none of the other churches have so readily at hand. Each church has a musical note, a color, a stone, and even a day of the week.


SMYRNA - Red
Of all the ancient cities, Smyrna, or “Old Smyrna” is the only city still standing. Today, it is the largest city and commercial center in Turkey renamed Izmir. A thriving port on the Aegean Sea, this ancient city was built surrounding the Pagos mountain. Because of its hilltop splendor, it was known as the crown of Smyrna. The healing ointment of Myrrh is associated with Red, or the church of Smyrna.

SMYRNA is the first church. This church is female in nature and as female it is intuitive. The people of this church have a gift for teaching others to see the truth in themselves. The faith they call forth in others opens the door to that of insight. They know things without being told and have faith in what they know. They lead others to a better place in life, from darkness to light. Where they go, others follow. They are always being enlightened with God's love for them and others.

The trap that is for them is made by themselves. They will speak of themselves as unworthy. They will listen to the lies of others about them and believe it is so. They will lose union with their gift and sleep though they are awake. In this sleep, they are truly lost for they can't lead and they will not follow. For them to awaken, they must listen to what God is telling them and know the power they are.

The church of SMYRNA takes the role of leader or a pathfinder. The way that they do this is through the gifts that they are and their attributes. The attributes of Smyrna are illumination, faith, intuition and the balance between love and wisdom. They are truly ministers of justice and keepers of the peace. They are physical in nature and know the true meaning of oneness and faith. This gives them their driving force of courage and heroism in all that they do. Their color is RED and like the color red, they stand out in a crowd. The stone that vibrates with their frequency is ruby. The musical note for this church is G and their day is Sunday.


EPHESUS - Orange
The name of this ancient city Ephesus means "desirable". It was the best port or harbor in the world being one of the main commercial centers known as the light of Asia. The Temple of Diana, located here, was one of the seven wonders of the ancient world and made this city famous. The city was known for the Priest and Priestesses dedicated to prostitution and in service to the Temple. Today, archeologists are rediscovering the beauty of Ephesus because the Romans built a city in and around Ephesus and in this instance did not destroy the original city. The brick paved streets built by the Greeks show the ruts of Roman Chariots and the metal rings used to access the Roman aqueduct running under the city.


EPHESUS is the second church. This church is female in nature and as female, it is a mother to all. This church has been called the church of Mary. Like the Mother of Jesus, their gift is the uplifting of others. The men and women of this church are people of divine love. Their joy is giving of themselves for the happiness of others. They can see the divine light that shines in everyone and everything. They speak of it freely, wanting God's children to play and find the joy of life. They will support others in their work and will defend the greatness of those they love.

There is a trap for them in their very nature that they must be watchful of. Their desire to lift everyone and everything up to its true magnificence is the nectar of life for them. They may find themselves as a butterfly fluttering from one flower to the next being lost in the excitement of the flight. As an old bride to a new spouse, the fire of the moment burns with passion and the children are forgotten. They forget the gifts they are and look to what they do to make them worthy. This church thinks it has need to suffer and do penance if all does not go well. Their freedom rests in the gifts they are and only when they see this will they give to themselves. The gift to themselves opens their hearts to the divine love they hold.

EPHESUS is the church of the advocator and is truly a defender of divine love. Through a motherly love, it wants only the best for others. They are instructors of heathy living and experiencing the fullness of life. This church is emotional, generous and forgiving. It embraces duality by being able to see both sides of anything. Their color is ORANGE and the stones vibrating with its frequency are orange sapphire and orange calcite or carnelian. The musical note for this church is E and their day of the week is Monday.


PERGAMUM - Yellow
In ancient times, Pergamum was situated on the lofty hills. The name Pergamum means height, tower, lofty and was known as the exalted city. This church is of the higher mind or the intellect; higher learning, higher thinking. Homer and Herodotus studied and wrote there because of its great library. The city was situated so that there was only one way in, thereby safeguarding the residents. The same is true of the people of this church. They are seekers of truth and there is only one way to reach them, through their mind.


PERGAMUM is the third church. This church is male in nature and seeks truth and knowledge to give to his children. Like a father who will find light to guide the way for his children in the darkness, this church is the one that makes the maps. Into uncharted territory he will explore the best paths lest his children should come to harm. Of all the churches, this church will find the truth in the most cunning of lies. The sum of all wisdom is at their beck and call and that which is true, they will find.

The trap for those of this church is lack of faith in themselves. It is their desire to be certain of what they say is true and THAT will be their undoing. They become internal and lose the reason for their work and their gift is lost to them. They will give bits and pieces of the truth until not even they can put them together again to make sense. The way out of this trap is for them to give themselves the gift of natural knowing, to connect to their own consciousness and reason. That is the gift that will set them free.

PERGAMUM is the church of the higher mind or the intellect. Of this church come philosophers, conscious thought, natural knowing and seekers of truth. They are holders of great knowledge and will reason out any sums. This church is mental in nature and in their thinking lies divine creativity. Their color is YELLOW and the stone vibrating with their frequency is yellow sapphire or calcite and yellow topaz. Their musical note is D and their day is Tuesday.


SARDIS - Green
Sardis was the capital city of the ancient province of Lydia. It's people were very successful in the fields of commerce and economics. As inventors of the coined money, they thought that their city was secure and protected as there was only one entrance to the city, through a very steep ingress. Eventually however, the city was destroyed and all was lost.

SARDIS is the fourth church. This church is also male in nature and those of this church are drawn to cure things. That which is bent, they will make straight and that which is broken, they will mend. They are truly the healers of the churches in the works they do. Their work consumes them and is nourishment for them.

The trap that they fall into is that they begin to feed on the gift they have. They become their task and are lost in the drunkenness of their authority, only to find themselves empty and alone. The path out of this trap is to give from nothing save for the love of God. The power that they have comes from God alone and no other can fill it. This is the gift they have and must give to themselves.

SARDIS is known as the church of the healers. Those of this church are of a willingness to give of themselves to others. They teach awareness and divine wisdom. They bring enlightenment and insight. Their knowledge is mystical and can heal both physical and mechanical. They are at peace in the spiritual sense and are in touch with their five senses and through this, they bring the health of all around. GREEN is the color of their vibrations. The stones equal to this are emerald, kyanite and fluorite. The musical note that vibrates to their essence is A. Their day is Wednesday.
 
About the Seven Churches Continued...

PHILADELPHIA - Blue
The name of this city Philadelphia, means brotherly love. The city was considered a little 'Athens' because of its magnificent buildings and Greek culture. Situated in the middle of grape country, this city guarded an important pass through the mountains becoming known as the keeper of the key to the door or gateway to the East. Through a midst of a blue sea of vines, Philadelphia, keepers to the gates of wisdom, passed commerce, information & spiritual teachings through this portal. Today, this city is known as Alasehir which still continues the tradition of harvesting grapes.

PHILADELPHIA is the fifth church. This church is male in nature with the gift of passionate wisdom. Knowledge is the driving force of this church as a gift to all God's children. Teaching is as the very air that they breathe. These are the ones that hold the keys of wisdom that unlock the gates to let in the light. They are aware of body, mind, emotions and spirit and are in touch with both female and male aspects for themselves. They love all God's children equally, setting none higher nor lower than the other.

The trap for those of this church is the loss of any of the fourfold natures given to all human kind. When the balance is gone, the giver cannot give and the teacher will not teach wisdom. The escape from this trap lies in the gift of the wisdom and love given back to themselves.

PHILADELPHIA is the church of the teacher. Those of this church are the keepers to the gates of wisdom and their personal love is one of giving. They are one with the Christ consciousness and they are perfectly balanced in the male and female. Of all the churches, they are the most balanced in the body, mind, emotions and spirit. The color vibrating with their essence is BLUE. The stones of this church are blue sapphire, blue aventurine or azurite. Their musical note is C and their day is Thursday.


THYATIRA - Purple
This ancient city is known today in modern Turkey as Akhisar. It was noted for its trade activity, the first trade guilds ever established and artisans. In ancient days,Thyateria produced wool, cloth, linen, metals such as brass and bronze as well as agricultural merchandise. This city was the center of the indigo trade and equally famous for the art of dyeing material which was worn by Royalty, hence the well known color - “royal purple” It was not a fortified city however and consequently, suffered numerous destructions and rebuilding. Its name, Thyatira, was said to mean “sweet savor of labor”.

THYATIRA is the sixth church. This church is male in nature. The gift of this church is that of a father holding his children in love. The male and female give teachings that are soft and gentle of words. They open their ears and hearts to what the children say. There is no judgment in what they hear, only the love for those in turmoil and how they can be helped. As a father labors with his body to feed his children, so does this church. This church is the master of the song, dance and creates with his hands, things of beauty of which lessons are learned.

The trap that this church may fall into is that of the material things. When they go searching for material and physical needs, they may lose union with the gift they are to give. The wanting of riches leaves them poor in spirit and in gold. The song they sing is sour, the dance is that of the lame. The creation of their hands is twisted and unkind to the eye. The escape from this trap is to give their gift back to themselves. God will supply all that is needed for the fatherly care of his children.

THYATIRA is the church of creation and those of this church are priests and spiritual teachers in the art of creation. They are ministers of divine love and they express that love through art, science and music. Contemplation and sincerity bring forth justice in the work they do. PURPLE is the color of this church's vibrations and the stones that match these vibrations are amethyst and benitoite. The day of this church is Friday and its musical note is F.


LAODICEA - Violet
Laodicea was a healing resort known for its waters running both “hot” and “cold”. It reportedly had a great medical school as well as a taste for the arts in both science and literature. The city became famous throughout the world however, by selling an eye salve or treatment which could “give you” spiritual vision. Laodicea had a Parisian-like character, independent and confident. Named after the first wife of (Antiochus II Theos), Laodice, the city was destroyed in an earthquake. Refusing help from Rome, the citizens preferred to rebuild it themselves. Today, this Turkish city is known as Latakia and is the principal port city of Syria.

LAODICEA is the last of the seven churches. This church is female in nature and as female, it is a mother to all. People of this church have a natural sense of nurturing. This gift is given to both men and women as a path in life and in teachings. They are the ones that care for others as their children. They solve conflicts, being understanding of both sides with compassion never making one or the other wrong. Tolerance is the teaching they share easily and people listen to them and learn to live and work together. They are merciful to those that have wronged them and do not seek revenge. The tenderness in their hearts lights the world.

There is a trap that those of this church must look for in the work that they do. So caring are these people, that they will not teach out of the fear that they might hurt another's feelings. When this happens, they themselves think that they are unworthy to give the gift that they were given. They become silent and take no action one way or the other. They become poor in spirit and forget that they are wrapped in God’s love. They cannot see the gift that they have been given and find no riches in what they do. The way to free themselves of this is to give to themselves the gift that they have been given. When this is done, they will be a light to the world.

LAODICEA is known as the church of the Saints. Those of this church are the most compassionate, tolerant and tender of all the churches. They show mercy and unconditional love to all. They are truly bringers of light and are divine love givers. They are joyful ones and in spirit they are confident and faithful and bring about completion. Their color is VIOLET and the stones vibrating the same are lavender jade, violet calcite and charoite. Their musical note is B and their day is Saturday.
 
OK, sorry for hijacking the thread...

I just thought it best to help others seek their own truth. I know I have nothing to repent for in here.:thumbup:

Bless your hearts. Nameste...:thumbup:
 
OK, sorry for hijacking the thread...

I just thought it best to help others seek their own truth. I know I have nothing to repent for in here.:thumbup:

Bless your hearts. Nameste...:thumbup:

Thank you for all of those great posts Jayman!! :thumbup1:
 
Thank you for all of those great posts Jayman!! :thumbup1:


Thank you Denny Bear.:thumbup: I just tried to follow what I know to be true in my heart... Untimately that is all anyof us can really do when it comes to interpreting religious dogma.

I always try to remind everyone that we have seven chakras. Aside from chakra meaning spinning wheel it also referrs to the seven sacred temples of the body. Each Temple resonates with one of the seven Churches. Each of the seven churches represent one of the seven natures of man or personality types. We must enter into each church with humility and without ego and accept our gifts through this church as well as our traps without judgement or reservation. When we center ourselves in balance with our ego removed and we move into a state of innocense and allign our chakras as one. We open our heart to receive divine love and communication with the God source through our oneness with creation and all that is and all that will be. The less ego we come with the clearer our answers will be. This is the source of divine truth and wisdom.:thumbup:

Thanks Tampa. I took the opportunity to fix they typos when I sited my quote above.
 
Since all gay guys are sinners...it seems hell is going to be one heck of a party. And we won't have to worry about STD's anymore :)
 
Since all gay guys are sinners...it seems hell is going to be one heck of a party. And we won't have to worry about STD's anymore :)

thats what i always say! hell seems to have all the partiers, considering anything fun you do lands you a one way ticket. plenty of gay sex and devils lettuce to go around, i'm happy!
 
thats what i always say! hell seems to have all the partiers, considering anything fun you do lands you a one way ticket. plenty of gay sex and devils lettuce to go around, i'm happy!

jwglass you cracked me up. Thank you... Enjoy your devil tossed salad. LOL:lol:
 
The user who started this thread is a well known member. I guess he was bored and decided to stir things up, I'm not sure... maybe he can come out and enlighten us, cos I'm not sure I understand the point of it :)
 
Probably just washing himself clean in the blood of the lamb! Praise the Lord! He had one too many altar boys for communion and felt the need to confess.
 
Probably just washing himself clean in the blood of the lamb! Praise the Lord! He had one too many altar boys for communion and felt the need to confess.

That or posibly to much communion wine? LOL
 
The user who started this thread is a well known member. I guess he was bored and decided to stir things up, I'm not sure... maybe he can come out and enlighten us, cos I'm not sure I understand the point of it :)

You're such a better person than me. I would have thrown his ass under the bus. It's not like there's a username privacy policy you have to adhere to.
 
You're such a better person than me. I would have thrown his ass under the bus. It's not like there's a username privacy policy you have to adhere to.

I love your perspective on this. However; what would it solve other than to give us a target for more negative comments? It is probably best left a lone for now. I do appreciate your tinacity.:thumbup:
 
I love your perspective on this. However; what would it solve other than to give us a target for more negative comments? It is probably best left a lone for now. I do appreciate your tinacity.:thumbup:

You're right. It would probably be more hurtful than anything. BUT it would create a sense of accountability for your online identity.

The only other gay forum that I was a part of completely fell apart because people were making "alter egos" and raising hell on a regular basis.

I agree, though. It'd just cause more drama.
 
You're right. It would probably be more hurtful than anything. BUT it would create a sense of accountability for your online identity.

The only other gay forum that I was a part of completely fell apart because people were making "alter egos" and raising hell on a regular basis.

I agree, though. It'd just cause more drama.

I thought we were only allowed one user name. Hummm!!! Two Forum ID's at the same time... That certainly explains it. :sneaky2::scared:
 
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