New Guys Learning Jake Fucks Ethan

[oldfart63]

Damn Mikeyank that’s mushy! But I agree in principle of course. I do like to tease old fart a bit about how worried he gets over the lighting and camera angles. He consentrates on the production values and I or say my dick uses the Peter Meter to mostly judge a scene. It can be well crafted, well lit, and well directed but if the models and the sex don’t turn me on then it’s pretty much useless as a porn scene. The Peter Meter is very judgmental and all of us have one, except Bart of course, and it’s what determines how many stars I give. I’m guessing that’s most other members as well. I often give new scenes and new boys the benefit of the doubt and rate them higher than say I would ordinarily because I feel Broke Straight Boys is trying or I may go lower because it’s just twink sex or in my opinion sub par. That’s the fun of a site and forum like this. We are all a bit different and some of us cream for very different reasons but I doubt very many of them have to do with lighting. All this being said, I think old fart points out many things that can and probably should be fixed. I think management sometimes takes hints from these and I think we are all better off for them.

Hey Rep, I have a Peter Meter too. It's just that there are some things that Peter likes to see that really gets him rocking, like the BPM (Butt Panic Moment-that look on a model's face just as his partner's dick pops into his hole). When Peter goes too long without that, especially with an "uninitiated" new model. he gets kinda cranky and it makes me cranky, too. What can I say?

 

[Repareur]

Hey Rep, I have a Peter Meter too. It's just that there are some things that Peter likes to see that really gets him rocking, like the BPM (Butt Panic Moment-that look on a model's face just as his partner's dick pops into his hole). When Peter goes too long without that, especially with an "uninitiated" new model. he gets kinda cranky and it makes me cranky, too. What can I say?

Well said!

 

[Repareur]

Old Fart, I like to tease you about your scene comments but I hope you realize it’s just fun, We all have our own take on things but I can’t help but think of this Noel Coward line when you critique the lighting.

“Which turns to confusion the modern delusion that sex is a question of lighting....”

Here is where it comes from. A 1954 introduction of Marlene Dietrich



https://youtu.be/F_6gUUnAwVU

 

[oldfart63]

That is great news that you're not planning on going anywhere oldfart, (not that you may be coming down with something). And it is also great news that you are not going to hold back on offering your honest, unfiltered opinions, be it about the models, the production values or even the forum and your fellow forumites. You have a most definitive voice here and your voice should continue to be heard.

You and I come to the site and forum from a different perspective regarding what turns us on and what we look for, but oft times so do Rep and myself, and the same can be said for Bart and me when it comes to models and porn, but they are both good "off forum" friends of mine and so our personal preferences are not a negative, but makes for more stimulating conversation. We are all entitled to our own perspectives and opinions and I've said it one hundred times if not more that Mark did a wonderful service for us all, (as well as for himself) when he gave us this forum and especially when he left it largely uncensored giving us a place to whine and bitch when we are unhappy, and to praise and drool when we enjoy a model or a scene. Long live the forum and long live oldfart63 being himself on the forum too!

Thanks Mikey, and I agree that for all that goes on in here this forum is a great asset and makes Broke Straight Boys stand out.

 

[oldfart63]

Old Fart, I like to tease you about your scene comments but I hope you realize it’s just fun, We all have our own take on things but I can’t help but think of this Noel Coward line when you critique the lighting.

“Which turns to confusion the modern delusion that sex is a question of lighting....”

Here is where it comes from. A 1954 introduction of Marlene Dietrich

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https://youtu.be/F_6gUUnAwVU

LOL! That's great. To be fair, though, the only time I bitch about the lighting is when it blots out the action. Though your post reminded me of a story about Alfred Hitchcock. He was directing a film with Gloria Swanson who apparently had an aversion to wearing any undergarments. He was recounting a moment (this was a few decades ago on the Tonight Show with Johnny Carson) when he was on the set with her while she was standing on a ladder in a library. He said he looked up to speak to Ms Swanson when he was able to see directly up her skirt. He said, "At that moment I couldn't decide if it was a matter for wardrobe or the hairdresser".

 

[Repareur]

LOL! That's great. To be fair, though, the only time I bitch about the lighting is when it blots out the action. Though your post reminded me of a story about Alfred Hitchcock. He was directing a film with Gloria Swanson who apparently had an aversion to wearing any undergarments. He was recounting a moment (this was a few decades ago on the Tonight Show with Johnny Carson) when he was on the set with her while she was standing on a ladder in a library. He said he looked up to speak to Ms Swanson when he was able to see directly up her skirt. He said, "At that moment I couldn't decide if it was a matter for wardrobe or the hairdresser".

Old fart that’s fabulous! We obviously have a mutual fondness for arcane Hollywood/theater quotes. I love it. I hope you know that it is in that spirit that I referred to you as Cecil B DePorn! While actually some form of Rodger Ebert might be more accurate. We definitely need a film critic around here to judge the production quality. You notice many things that I don’t. We all have our little areas of expertise likes and dislikes and that’s what makes this place fun, interesting and entertaining. I seriously hope you aren’t going anywhere.

 

[StudddAndy]

I was hoping this scene would be hot; instead it turned out to be lukewarm, at least for for me. When Jake was laying there getting blown, he had the look of a persona that I saw in his solo, i.e. that of a dominant hustler-type stud. Well it turns out he was anything but. A few slaps to the contrary notwithstanding, his fucking was vanilla and boring for the most part, and he suffered from bouts of JFSFDS (Johnny Forza Semi-Flaccid Dick Syndrome). And from his twitter feed it is logical to infer that this type of sexual situation is not new to him. He did, however, do well in the orals and his cum swallowing was a surprise. I gave him a 4.

Ethan just laid there. And he too suffered from bouts of JFSFDS. I gave him a 3.

The scene started out as if it were a how-to manual. The boys were as they were. Cumshots were underwhelming. I would love to know how long the scene took in real time given the time it had to take to deal with The Syndrome issues. I gave the scene a 3.

I agree wholeheartedly with your observations. But, I see the JFSFDS in a slightly different way. I think that the JFSFDS is sometimes caused by being a straight guy, (and however delusional it may be, I think Jake suffers from being straight!) and having to work hard to keep his fat dick hard in spite of the fact that he is a straight guy fucking another guy. Someone he might not be attracted to, at all! That's kind of hot to me.

I had this brother that was hot as a fucking fox and every woman around him wanted to get him down and pound his big dick. I was a good wing-man for him, and I never knew if he was looking for me to keep him company while he fucked like a Russian Race Horce, or if he was just showing off to me. But I ended up fucking a lot of women under these circumstances, when I would have preferred to be taking out the garbage. I'm just saying, when you're fucking someone you are not attracted to, you can have a little JFSFDS. Believe me, I did!

I also agree with your observations about Ethan, but I found it to be hot as fucking hell, just to be watching someone take a fat dick and fuck that little Mormon kid. I have had so much sex with Mormons, and Ethan is not unlike a lot of them. But, he did lay there and take his fucking like a real man! LOL

 

[oldfart63]

Old fart that’s fabulous! We obviously have a mutual fondness for arcane Hollywood/theater quotes. I love it. I hope you know that it is in that spirit that I referred to you as Cecil B DePorn! While actually some form of Rodger Ebert might be more accurate. We definitely need a film critic around here to judge the production quality. You notice many things that I don’t. We all have our little areas of expertise likes and dislikes and that’s what makes this place fun, interesting and entertaining. I seriously hope you aren’t going anywhere.

Well, Rep I don't think I can go anywhere now. I get a hoot out of you calling me Cecil B DePorn. I think the problem comes from me watching too much porn (or more varying porn is more like it). So I see things that others have done that were really great shots or I'll hear an unedited director's comment that gives me a clue as to why they do things a certain way. Some of the positions that models fuck in aren't the most comfortable to be in but make for some great porn shots. I'd love to think that I'm looking at this with an artistic eye ("I only watch porn for the artistic value"!? Yeah, right!), but I just see things that seem like they should be evident to those that are in the business. Maybe those who make porn are too busy making it to spend much time watching what others are doing. Who knows?

 

[StudddAndy]

I did give credit to the new guys for what they did. What I expect is for somebody, anybody, at Broke Straight Boys to help these boys out. Just because they weren't paired with an experienced model doesn't mean that it was the first time experience for everyone in the room during the shoot. I know it's supposed to look as if it was done in one, unedited take but that is not how these shoots are done and the edits show that. I would have expected that someone in the room would have said, "Hey guys, if you lie on your sides while you suck each other off we can show you both at the same time, That would look hot."(Tanner used to do that quite a bit. What's the point of 69 if you're only going to show one guy at a time?) Or that when Jake penetrated Ethan for the first time someone would have made sure that Ethan's leg wasn't blocking his face when it happened. These are the things that experienced models can help with in subtle ways. Other experienced guys in the room should have done the same thing.

I think the boys did an admirable job, especially for not having any kind of guidance during their first encounter even though it was available. In the old Broke Straight Boys David used to make suggestions to help the boys out. They don't seem to get any of that anymore. I saw so many missed opportunities where they could have really shown them at their best. I expect the inexperience of the models to come trough, not amateur production.

I love your observations about the technical and production aspects of the scenes. You are right on.

I loved this scene, but with regard to the points you bring up, I would have REALLY loved this scene if more attention would have been paid to these technical points. I just don't know if Broke Straight Boys will EVER get into having a director of these seens, which would make my OLD dick even harder, and in this department, I do need some help. Its barely hard enough already!

 

[Repareur]

Well, Rep I don't think I can go anywhere now. I get a hoot out of you calling me Cecil B DePorn. I think the problem comes from me watching too much porn (or more varying porn is more like it). So I see things that others have done that were really great shots or I'll hear an unedited director's comment that gives me a clue as to why they do things a certain way. Some of the positions that models fuck in aren't the most comfortable to be in but make for some great porn shots. I'd love to think that I'm looking at this with an artistic eye ("I only watch porn for the artistic value"!? Yeah, right!), but I just see things that seem like they should be evident to those that are in the business. Maybe those who make porn are too busy making it to spend much time watching what others are doing. Who knows?

I think you are right. I think they don’t watch around because there are other sites that have way more direction and perfect camera angles and of course lighting. Lol. I don’t refer people to other sites on here but examples are Men and Sean Cody for sure. I’ve heard the later pays the highest amount and all models are exclusive. I’m sure Broke Straight Boys doesn’t have the staff or money for those kind of productions. They are a small independent studio verses a large mega site with deep pockets just like the major Hollywood studios verses independents. It doesn’t mean they can’t learn from these. I think it’s partly lack of time for one thing they have a pretty tight schedule. But they also seem to be very stuck in the current formula. I was encouraged when they tried a few different locations at the new studio. But it seems they are right back to the same bed and one camera.

 

[oldfart63]

I think you are right. I think they don’t watch around because there are other sites that have way more direction and perfect camera angles and of course lighting. Lol. I don’t refer people to other sites on here but examples are Men and Sean Cody for sure. I’ve heard the later pays the highest amount and all models are exclusive. I’m sure Broke Straight Boys doesn’t have the staff or money for those kind of productions. They are a small independent studio verses a large mega site with deep pockets just like the major Hollywood studios verses independents. It doesn’t mean they can’t learn from these. I think it’s partly lack of time for one thing they have a pretty tight schedule. But they also seem to be very stuck in the current formula. I was encouraged when they tried a few different locations at the new studio. But it seems they are right back to the same bed and one camera.

Broke Straight Boys is doing pretty good for that they have. They would lose something if they went with the "big studio" look, but you're right that they need to go to more of the alternate locations in the new house instead of just the bedroom. I think Broke Straight Boys can handle this with one camera without having to having a "scripted" scene. Why is it that when Tanner would have scenes he and his partner would lie on their sides while they 69? That made great shot when filled from above. Why not do that more or find a way to frame a shot when they are 69ing over and under, instead of focusing on one at a time? Like I said before, these scenes aren't shot all at once. They need to stop for "fluff time" or maybe to address an awkward situation. I just wish they would make some things routine. Faces matter! If they could just try to position the camera where they can clearly film the bottoms face when he's first being entered. That reaction could make a good scene a lot better.

I'm glad to see that others are supporting my ranting here. These are just things that I've seen from other studios, as well as some done here before but apparently abandoned that really got my "Peter Meter" going. But this is the end of this rant. We've got another scene tonight and more this week that I'm looking forward to.

 

[mikeyank]

I think you are right. I think they don’t watch around because there are other sites that have way more direction and perfect camera angles and of course lighting. Lol. I don’t refer people to other sites on here but examples are Men and Sean Cody for sure. I’ve heard the later pays the highest amount and all models are exclusive. I’m sure Broke Straight Boys doesn’t have the staff or money for those kind of productions. They are a small independent studio verses a large mega site with deep pockets just like the major Hollywood studios verses independents. It doesn’t mean they can’t learn from these. I think it’s partly lack of time for one thing they have a pretty tight schedule. But they also seem to be very stuck in the current formula. I was encouraged when they tried a few different locations at the new studio. But it seems they are right back to the same bed and one camera.

I learned several years ago that there is a mega conglomerate world wide corporation that owns the sites you mentioned Rep and the vast majority of gay and straight porn sites and the majority of the "tube sites" which promote their sites. I don't know if Mark wants me to mention their name on this forum or not. But these other sites are funded by billion dollar corporations and Broke Straight Boys is an independent site and so I do not expect the same quality of production as the others. But to me that has always been part of it's charm to me as well. The basic formula has been from the early days on David's futon of inexperienced basically straight identifying guys getting naked and looking uncomfortable as they try out gay sex before our eyes. And the "magic" to me is when they discover how pleasurable it is.

I understand that the industry has changed over the years and even on Broke Straight Boys we know get mostly guys who have agents who appear on multiple sites. But that is why I am so thrilled with James, Jonny, Jake and even Ethan who may not be straight, but is inexperienced in filming gay porn.

I personally don't care how the scene is blocked or whatever other technical jargon is involved. I like watching naked young guys getting into blowjobs and anal and even kissing another guy. The amateur feel of the site is part of it's charm to me. Yes, I thought some directors were better at shooting the porn than others. I thought that David was the master and that Clay was excellent as well, but that is not what I focus on. We are all different people who look for different things in our internet porn, and I don't question other's critiquing the filming, but my main issue is the guys and the sex, not the production values.

 

[mikeyank]

I did enjoy the "first encounter" aspect that involved nerves, lower confidence in what to do, not being as in-sync with partner, not really knowing what to do with balls, not even trying to rim, not starting with kissing, no play over clothes ... it was believable. I do agree that the chemistry was lackluster. I especially don't like to see guys slow to get hard when being sucked, or trying to fuck with a semi hard dick. Jake wants to top, so let him top with a hard dick!

Ethan did well taking Jake, but almost too well to be believable. He also was just laying there. More squirming or something. Got to say he did suck on Jake after Jake had been up his ass ... and that was a nice touch. At the end Ethan took too long to come, and did not have a lot of energy as he came. He will need to get more animated.

Jake is really hot and did show some good oral skill. He went way down on Ethan. It was a nice touch having a small continued bit of fucking after he came. It would have been nice to hear him vocalize a bit about getting close or even comments on the ass he had been served. It was kind of sweet when he realized he need to get next to or do something to help Ethan "finish" the scene. And, the cum on face, was a lot into the mouth, and he sucked Ethan bit right after he came.

It will be interesting to see each paired with more experienced guys. I'd really like to see Jake with one of the gay ones. Jake is my favorite of the two.

I noticed that this is your first forum post, Journey77. I like what you had to say and the way you said it. I hope you become a regular contributor to our forum. It is always great to have new voices added to the mix.

 

[dt3212]

Jake is super hot. He seams very open to learning what will make a good performance. he gave a good blow job and an aggressive fuck. When is is paired with a very experienced Broke Straight Boys I think the scence will be one for the records. ooh he needs to learn to kiss and nipple play.

 

[SFPS01]

I did enjoy the "first encounter" aspect that involved nerves, lower confidence in what to do, not being as in-sync with partner, not really knowing what to do with balls, not even trying to rim, not starting with kissing, no play over clothes ... it was believable. I do agree that the chemistry was lackluster. I especially don't like to see guys slow to get hard when being sucked, or trying to fuck with a semi hard dick. Jake wants to top, so let him top with a hard dick!

Ethan did well taking Jake, but almost too well to be believable. He also was just laying there. More squirming or something. Got to say he did suck on Jake after Jake had been up his ass ... and that was a nice touch. At the end Ethan took too long to come, and did not have a lot of energy as he came. He will need to get more animated.

Jake is really hot and did show some good oral skill. He went way down on Ethan. It was a nice touch having a small continued bit of fucking after he came. It would have been nice to hear him vocalize a bit about getting close or even comments on the ass he had been served. It was kind of sweet when he realized he need to get next to or do something to help Ethan "finish" the scene. And, the cum on face, was a lot into the mouth, and he sucked Ethan bit right after he came.

It will be interesting to see each paired with more experienced guys. I'd really like to see Jake with one of the gay ones. Jake is my favorite of the two.

Excellent observations with a lot of common sense. Welcome to your first post and hope you continue.

 

[Repareur]

Excellent observations with a lot of common sense. Welcome to your first post and hope you continue.

I agree with these observations as well. It’s pretty obvious Ethan has bottomed and probably is a a total bottom since that’s what he started out doing with no problem at all. Jake is off to a good start. I think he will do it all and do it all very well!

 

[peterh6308]

Finally got around to watching this scene. WOW!!!! Jake is my new boy, but Ethan ain't far behind. Great scene and match-up....

 

[mikeyank]

Finally got around to watching this scene. WOW!!!! Jake is my new boy, but Ethan ain't far behind. Great scene and match-up....

Let's make a deal Peter. You get Ethan....I get Jake!

 

[peterh6308]

Let's make a deal Peter. You get Ethan....I get Jake!

Nope and how dare you post over me!!! lololol

 

[mikeyank]

Nope and how dare you post over me!!! lololol

It's called "covering your post", my dear. I learned from the best!