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My major grammar pet peeve

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English is my second language. My first is Spanish. I did not start learning English until the young age of five. I was enrolled in Kindergarten and could not understand anything the teacher was saying. On the second day I had to go to the bathroom so bad I told my teacher, "Tengo que mear (I need to pee)." She did not understand what I was saying so I pee'd in my pants sitting on my chair. That day my teacher told my mother when she picked me up what had happened and she told my mother she needed to start teaching me to speak English at home. It was difficult since my Grandmother lived with us and only spoke Spanish. I learned the language, completed high school and college. I worked in two high administrative positions until I retired. However, the English language has always been distorted and confusing to me. I mentioned on a post recently that when I write in the forums I have a dictionary and basic grammar book at hand. After all these years, before I write something, I have to think it in Spanish and then translate it to English.

So, you ask what is my major pet peeve? It is the continual wrong use of the word "I" as the object of preposition.

"For you and I"
"Between my brother and I", etc.

I post this because you all seem to be an intelligent group of people who enjoy your time in the forums.

What is your grammar pet peeve or any pet peeve for that matter? Guys and Gals, let's have fun with this one!
 
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Ok so my pet peeve is the use of the word" may". I apologise if I don't explain it very well or if I offend anyone but through out my entire life it has really bothered me with the different in class in language. as when I was at school I had a similar experience (all though not as severe as I had the easier job of speaking English as my main language). All through my child life I was brought up by what I would call everyday language so I if I wanted to go to toilet I could just say "can I go to the toilet". But in my second year of primary school (first school) I was 6 years old and I was bursting for a pee so as I always said before I said to my teacher "can I go to the toilet" but this was a stand in teacher and all she said to me was "I don't know can you" so I asked the question over and over again but I got the same answer and as I said I was desperate for the toilet and as she wouldn't let me go I wet my self there and then. When my mum came and picked me up at the end of the day she whent mad at the teacher and all the teacher said was "he asked if he can go to the toilet not if he may go to the toilet" and to this day it really gets to me when I hear people use the wording "may I".
 
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Exactly what I was saying. It was like saying yes you can go, but you didn't ask permission. It's like the old game of "Simon says, May I...?" It's like a nurse walking into your room when you are in the hospital and asks, "How are We feeling today? You look around and you are the only one there. You want to answer, "I'm feeling crappy but I don't know how you are feeling and I don't give a sh*t!"
 
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I had a boss who every morning would come to my desk and say "what we need to do today is" what he actually meant was what I had to do that day. This always drove me crazy for years and one day I was having a very bad morning and he comes up and says this. my response was "until you get off your fat ass and help me, then don't say we"!! He looked at me and said " your right". I thought for sure I was fired, so went up to his office to apologize. He said he understand my frustration with this, but my delivery needed work!! lol Needless to say he never said it again and I worked there for 14 yrs as a manager.
 
Hi,

Louis - It is manners to put yourself second when referring to my friend and I etc etc. It is incorrect to say Me and Billy or similar.

Dan - The "may" issue is the difference between the word may and can. Can means that you are able to but may means am I allowed to.

Peter - I think the boss is being a bit of a whimp and is afraid of Telling you what to do, so he is putting it in an asking way. But to me, that weakens his authority and sometimes as workers, we should really do as we are told.

So for the first 2 points, it is not a grammar peeve - it is bloody English ffs.. ha ha
 
Peter- One of my favorite responses to the annoying use of "we" when a person is trying to coerce you into helping them with something you don't want to do... As in something like, "We need to help my mom move today." Is.... "Where do you get this "we" shit? You got a mouse in your pocket?" LOL
 
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I'm bothered by the incorrect use of there, their and they're. Effect and affect. To and too (and rarely two)!

I had a grade school teacher who had a thing about using a lot (alot). She said a lot was a piece of land. If we said "That's a lot of trouble" we'd be corrected to say "That's a great deal of trouble". I quit using that phrase after leaving her class because a fifth grader gets weird looks when using the term "great deal"!
 
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I'm an old English teacher and in response to joninliverton's answer, I think that Louis' concern is not which pronoun comes first, but that after a preposition the correct form of"I" to use is "me." So between you and me, for you and me, to you and me, etc. are correct. Between you and I, etc. is incorrect. One of my pet peeves is the use of the phrase " it begs the question" when what is really meant is "it raises the question." Begging the question is a logical fallacy that means the assertion actually still needs to be proved. OMG, it's getting pretty pedantic here. Sorry, guys.
 
I suggest that no one who is a regular on the forums read any of the posts from KRU. His posts are in some language, slang, or what have you, that I simply cannot stand to read.

I attend a college in which several languages are used, everyone needs so speak, read and write in English to attend, but I simply cannot stand to read posting from KRU.

Just my pet peeve I guess.

p.s. This is in no way a put down, attack, or anything else derogatory against KRU, it is just my opinion.
 
I suggest that no one who is a regular on the forums read any of the posts from KRU. His posts are in some language, slang, or what have you, that I simply cannot stand to read.

I attend a college in which several languages are used, everyone needs so speak, read and write in English to attend, but I simply cannot stand to read posting from KRU.

Just my pet peeve I guess.

p.s. This is in no way a put down, attack, or anything else derogatory against KRU, it is just my opinion.

The answer to that it simple. Don't read them, I find that works.
 
My pet peeve in the last several decades is the use of "like" to mean "said." Example: "My mom came into my room and she like 'Did you finish your homework,' and I like "Yeah, before dinner.'"
 
I thought I would give you something else to comment on.
 
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I thought I would give you something else to comment on.



Never end a sentence with a preposition. Instead, I thought I would give you something else on which to comment.
 
Here's an article I found just this morning. It runs rather long for some of us with shorter attention spans for forum posts. lol However I found it to be quite timely and appropriate for this thread. :)

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The 32 Words That Used Incorrectly Can Make You Look Bad

Easy to get wrong. And easy to get right.

By Jeff Haden | Inc – 16 hours ago 5/30/14


While I like to think I know a little about business writing, I often fall into a few word traps. For example, "who" and "whom." I rarely use "whom" when I should. Even when spell check suggests "whom," I think it sounds pretentious. So I don't use it.
And I'm sure some people then think, "What a bozo."
And that's a problem, because just like that one misspelled word that gets a resumé tossed into the "nope" pile, using one wrong word can negatively impact your entire message.

Fair or unfair, it happens.

So let's make sure it doesn't:

Adverse and averse

Adverse means harmful or unfavorable; "Adverse market conditions caused the IPO to be
poorly subscribed." Averse means dislike or opposition; "I was averse to paying $18 a share for a company that generates no revenue."
But you can feel free to have an aversion to adverse conditions.

Affect and effect

Verbs first. Affect means to influence; "Impatient investors affected our roll-out date." Effect means to accomplish something; "The board effected a sweeping policy change." How you use effect or affect can be tricky. For example, a board can affect changes by influencing them, or can effect changes by implementing them. Use effect if you're making it happen, and affect if you're having an impact on something someone else is trying to make happen.
As for nouns, effect is almost always correct; "Once he was fired he was given twenty minutes to gather his personal effects." Affect refers to emotional states so unless you're a psychologist, you're probably not using it.

Compliment and complement

Compliment is to say something nice. Complement is to add to, enhance, improve, complete, or bring close to perfection. So, I can compliment your staff and their service, but if you have no current openings you have a full complement of staff. And your new app may complement your website.
For which I may decide to compliment you.

Criteria and criterion

"We made the decision based on one overriding criteria," sounds pretty impressive but is wrong.
Remember: one criterion, two or more criteria. Although you could always use "reason" or "factors" and not worry about getting it wrong.

Discreet and discrete

Discreet means careful, cautious, showing good judgment; "We made discreet inquiries to determine whether the founder was interested in selling her company."
Discrete means individual, separate, or distinct; "We analyzed data from a number of discrete market segments to determine overall pricing levels." And if you get confused, remember you don't use "discreetion" to work through sensitive issues; you exercise discretion.

Elicit and illicit

Elicit means to draw out or coax. Think of elicit as the mildest form of extract or, even worse, extort. So if one lucky survey respondent will win a trip to the Bahamas, the prize is designed to elicit responses.
Illicit means illegal or unlawful. I suppose you could "illicit" a response at gunpoint... but best not.

Farther and further

Farther involves a physical distance; "Florida is farther from New York than Tennessee." Further involves a figurative distance; "We can take our business plan no further." So, as we say in the South, "I don't trust you any farther than I can throw you." Or, "I ain't gonna trust you no further."
(Seriously. I've uttered both of those sentences. More than once.)

Imply and infer

The speaker or writer implies. The listener or reader infers. Imply means to suggest, while infer means to deduce (whether correctly or not.) So, I might imply you're going to receive a raise. You might infer that a pay increase is imminent. (But not eminent unless the raise will be prominent and distinguished.)

Insure and ensure

This one's easy. Insure refers to insurance. Ensure means to make sure. So if you promise an order will ship on time, ensure it actually happens. Unless, of course, you plan to arrange for compensation if the package is damaged or lost--then feel free to insure away.

Number and amount

I goof these up all the time. Use number when you can count what you refer to; "The number of subscribers who opted out increased last month." Amount refers to a quantity of something you can't count; "The amount of alcohol consumed at our last company picnic was staggering."
Of course it can still be confusing: "I can't believe the amount of beer I drank." The difference is I can count beers, but beer, especially if I was way too drunk to keep track, is an uncountable total--so amount is the correct usage.

Precede and proceed

Precede means to come before. Proceed means to begin or continue. Where it gets confusing is when an "ing" comes into play. "The proceeding announcement was brought to you by..." sounds fine, but "preceding" is correct since the announcement came before.
If it helps, think precedence: Anything that takes precedence is more important and therefore comes first.

Principal and principle

A principle is a fundamental; "We've created a culture where we all share certain principles." Principal means primary or of first importance; "Our startup's principal is located in NYC." (Sometimes you'll also see the plural, "principals," used to refer to executives or (relatively) co-equals at the top of a particular food chain.)
Principal can also refer to the most important item in a particular set; "Our principal account makes up 60 percent of our gross revenues."
Principal can also refer to money, normally the original sum that was borrowed, but can be extended to refer to the amount you owe--hence principal and interest.
If you're referring to laws, rules, guidelines, ethics, etc, use principle. If you're referring to the CEO or the president (or the individual in charge of the high school), use principal.
And now for those dreaded apostrophes:

It's and its

It's is the contraction of it is. That means it's doesn't own anything. If your dog is neutered (that way we make the dog, however much against his will, gender neutral) you don't say, "It's collar is blue." You say, "Its collar is blue." Here's an easy test to apply. Whenever you use an apostrophe, un-contract the word to see how it sounds. In this case, turn it's into it is. "It's sunny," becomes, "It is sunny." Sounds good to me.

They're and their

Same with these; they're is the contraction for they are. Again, the apostrophe doesn't own anything. We're going to their house, and I sure hope they're home.

Who's and whose

"Whose password hasn't been changed in six months?" is correct. "Who is (the un-contracted version of who's) password hasn't been changed in six months?" sounds silly.

You're and your

One more. You're is the contraction for you are. Your means you own it; the apostrophe in you're doesn't own anything. For a long time a local non-profit had a huge sign that said "You're Community Place."
Hmm. "You Are Community Place"?
Probably not.

Source: https://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/adv...orrectly-can-make-you-look-bad-161319699.html
 
Here's an article I found just this morning. It runs rather long for some of us with shorter attention spans for forum posts. lol However I found it to be quite timely and appropriate for this thread. :)

********************************************************​

The 32 Words That Used Incorrectly Can Make You Look Bad

Easy to get wrong. And easy to get right.

By Jeff Haden | Inc – 16 hours ago 5/30/14


While I like to think I know a little about business writing, I often fall into a few word traps. For example, "who" and "whom." I rarely use "whom" when I should. Even when spell check suggests "whom," I think it sounds pretentious. So I don't use it.
And I'm sure some people then think, "What a bozo."
And that's a problem, because just like that one misspelled word that gets a resumé tossed into the "nope" pile, using one wrong word can negatively impact your entire message.

Fair or unfair, it happens.

So let's make sure it doesn't:

Adverse and averse

Adverse means harmful or unfavorable; "Adverse market conditions caused the IPO to be
poorly subscribed." Averse means dislike or opposition; "I was averse to paying $18 a share for a company that generates no revenue."
But you can feel free to have an aversion to adverse conditions.

Affect and effect

Verbs first. Affect means to influence; "Impatient investors affected our roll-out date." Effect means to accomplish something; "The board effected a sweeping policy change." How you use effect or affect can be tricky. For example, a board can affect changes by influencing them, or can effect changes by implementing them. Use effect if you're making it happen, and affect if you're having an impact on something someone else is trying to make happen.
As for nouns, effect is almost always correct; "Once he was fired he was given twenty minutes to gather his personal effects." Affect refers to emotional states so unless you're a psychologist, you're probably not using it.

Compliment and complement

Compliment is to say something nice. Complement is to add to, enhance, improve, complete, or bring close to perfection. So, I can compliment your staff and their service, but if you have no current openings you have a full complement of staff. And your new app may complement your website.
For which I may decide to compliment you.

Criteria and criterion

"We made the decision based on one overriding criteria," sounds pretty impressive but is wrong.
Remember: one criterion, two or more criteria. Although you could always use "reason" or "factors" and not worry about getting it wrong.

Discreet and discrete

Discreet means careful, cautious, showing good judgment; "We made discreet inquiries to determine whether the founder was interested in selling her company."
Discrete means individual, separate, or distinct; "We analyzed data from a number of discrete market segments to determine overall pricing levels." And if you get confused, remember you don't use "discreetion" to work through sensitive issues; you exercise discretion.

Elicit and illicit

Elicit means to draw out or coax. Think of elicit as the mildest form of extract or, even worse, extort. So if one lucky survey respondent will win a trip to the Bahamas, the prize is designed to elicit responses.
Illicit means illegal or unlawful. I suppose you could "illicit" a response at gunpoint... but best not.

Farther and further

Farther involves a physical distance; "Florida is farther from New York than Tennessee." Further involves a figurative distance; "We can take our business plan no further." So, as we say in the South, "I don't trust you any farther than I can throw you." Or, "I ain't gonna trust you no further."
(Seriously. I've uttered both of those sentences. More than once.)

Imply and infer

The speaker or writer implies. The listener or reader infers. Imply means to suggest, while infer means to deduce (whether correctly or not.) So, I might imply you're going to receive a raise. You might infer that a pay increase is imminent. (But not eminent unless the raise will be prominent and distinguished.)

Insure and ensure

This one's easy. Insure refers to insurance. Ensure means to make sure. So if you promise an order will ship on time, ensure it actually happens. Unless, of course, you plan to arrange for compensation if the package is damaged or lost--then feel free to insure away.

Number and amount

I goof these up all the time. Use number when you can count what you refer to; "The number of subscribers who opted out increased last month." Amount refers to a quantity of something you can't count; "The amount of alcohol consumed at our last company picnic was staggering."
Of course it can still be confusing: "I can't believe the amount of beer I drank." The difference is I can count beers, but beer, especially if I was way too drunk to keep track, is an uncountable total--so amount is the correct usage.

Precede and proceed

Precede means to come before. Proceed means to begin or continue. Where it gets confusing is when an "ing" comes into play. "The proceeding announcement was brought to you by..." sounds fine, but "preceding" is correct since the announcement came before.
If it helps, think precedence: Anything that takes precedence is more important and therefore comes first.

Principal and principle

A principle is a fundamental; "We've created a culture where we all share certain principles." Principal means primary or of first importance; "Our startup's principal is located in NYC." (Sometimes you'll also see the plural, "principals," used to refer to executives or (relatively) co-equals at the top of a particular food chain.)
Principal can also refer to the most important item in a particular set; "Our principal account makes up 60 percent of our gross revenues."
Principal can also refer to money, normally the original sum that was borrowed, but can be extended to refer to the amount you owe--hence principal and interest.
If you're referring to laws, rules, guidelines, ethics, etc, use principle. If you're referring to the CEO or the president (or the individual in charge of the high school), use principal.
And now for those dreaded apostrophes:

It's and its

It's is the contraction of it is. That means it's doesn't own anything. If your dog is neutered (that way we make the dog, however much against his will, gender neutral) you don't say, "It's collar is blue." You say, "Its collar is blue." Here's an easy test to apply. Whenever you use an apostrophe, un-contract the word to see how it sounds. In this case, turn it's into it is. "It's sunny," becomes, "It is sunny." Sounds good to me.

They're and their

Same with these; they're is the contraction for they are. Again, the apostrophe doesn't own anything. We're going to their house, and I sure hope they're home.

Who's and whose

"Whose password hasn't been changed in six months?" is correct. "Who is (the un-contracted version of who's) password hasn't been changed in six months?" sounds silly.

You're and your

One more. You're is the contraction for you are. Your means you own it; the apostrophe in you're doesn't own anything. For a long time a local non-profit had a huge sign that said "You're Community Place."
Hmm. "You Are Community Place"?
Probably not.

Source: https://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/adv...orrectly-can-make-you-look-bad-161319699.html


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Splendid, dear Tampa. I'm quite in sympathy with you, regarding all of these vexing solecisms.

"A" :)
 
Never end a sentence with a preposition. Instead, I thought I would give you something else on which to comment.

Dear Stowe ~

This is a question which is hotly disputed, amongst grammarians. The prohibition against terminal prepositions is held, by many of a prescriptivist tendency, to be absolute. But is mocked by others as a Latinate superstition. As when Churchill famously declared of it (tongue definitely in cheek): "This is the sort of English, up with which I shall not PUT."

"A" ;-)

P.S. Though this pertains not to grammar, but to spelling, I rather wish that Americans would retain the proper "u", in "colour", "honour", and other like words. It changes the sound, you know, making it richer and fuller ;-) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eMSEuAe1bg
 
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