Jordan, Mike and Scott

[ScottC]

This was a very difficult film to rate and as of yet I have not awarded it that. While there is a part of me that enjoys a bit of S&M the line is crossed when the language and actions mimic that of a hate crime. I see no problem with the slap on the ass or even the almost choke hold but when you bring in things that purposely degrade the sexuality of the target participant you are using the same persona as a hate crime and have only changed the location. I don't know how I will feel when they bring back Mike or Jordan but I know I will at least carry a bitter taste in my mouth. I would however enjoy seeing a chance of retaliation. Perhaps David call both Mike and Jordan in for a shoot saying they are both going to be fucking that day. They arrive on the futon and no one else shows up. It is then announced that they will be fucking each other in a flip flop and the person that drives the point home the hardest will receive a higher bonus. David please consider this as another entry in the contest. I'd love to be there to watch them beat each other to death.

I'm wondering if we saw the same video. As others have noted, it seemed a bit more "rehearsed" if you will, and yet, it also seemed more natural. I see Jordan growing more confident in himself and abilities more than arrogant. Mike was just being Mike and if it seemed he was playing along, it was more for the benefit of making a good scene than anything else.

Since Scott weighed in on this, his comment speaks for itself. As for the hate crime analogy, sorry but that's just ludicrous.

 

[castrol]

I happen to like (straight 'acting') Torin...very much!!

 

[Vistas]

If a boy comes to our studio and says he gets turned on by getting ganged fucked by a bunch of straight dudes...then I will film it just as long as everything is safe to film and all that is involved enjoys doing that particular scene.

Now that I would love to see. Why? Because here, at Broke Straight Boys, I've seen nothing to indicate that the models are cracked out homeless waifs who are getting paid for sex because there's nothing else they can do. On this site, everyone pretty much seems like they want to be there. The behind-the-scenes episodes even show that the guys are enjoying themselves.

So part of the fun of this scene and the other scene involving Jordan and Mike that caused some controversy, was knowing that all of the guys, including the one on the bottom, were enjoying what was going on.

That's the difference between "rape" and "consensual sex." As long as the guys involved are enjoying what they are doing, then film away.

 

[tobey02]

One way to calm down Jordan, is have him bottom for a change. Mike has tried bottom with Drew and it was hot. i really like Mike and Jordan, but even in a scene with a,"power bottom," everyone should do oral. i think if Mike and Jordan had to do active sex with the bottom, they might be more controlled.

 

[parisnoyd]

I liked the vid. Jordan has stated in other vids he's bi curious!

Take note guys. Scott himself posted on this thread! For cry eye!

Thanks, Scott! You were fantastic!

Some of the banter was over the top, but at the beginning of the vid it was stated they'd talked amongst themselves on what they were going to do.

Frankly, I thought Jordan was throwing the bravado around to cover for his wobbly dick issues! LOL!

I like Mike a lot, and someone mentioned Scott not having a money shot. He did! It was a good one, too!

 

[chase3398]

After reading Scott's comment, I do feel better about this scene. I only know Scott from watching him on Broke Straight Boys, but he seems like a truly genuine, open and honest person...the type I'd very much like to have as a friend. We're practically neighbors (NYC/CT) and maybe that's another reason I feel a kinship towards this nice young man. Thanks Scott for letting us know your feelings about the scene. It puts it in perspective.

 

[lpdude86]

I still think Jordans attitude sucks and wont watch another video with him in it! The world doesnt need a foul mouthed supposedly straight guy being mean to a bi or guy on film. If Jordan thinks that makes him more appealing than so be it. I choose not to watch it or pay a site that promotes treating other badly.

 

[slimvintage]

While there were a couple moments that Jordan may have gone slightly overboard with the abuse overall it was an enjoyable experience. Jordan and Mike really know how to fuck so don't feel too bad for me

Apart from being cute and smart, and winning Broke Straight Boys Best Chest, you have also done the forum the nicest favor it's been done in ages by vindicating a bottom boy's right to be rough fucked if he wants to be. There's been a lot of anguish expressed here over the last year about whether the recipient of an energetic and verbal pummeling is being dissed and violated, or if he's being done an honor and a compliment. Many of the guys who have bottomed for me are really turned on by that bit of extra effort expended upon them in the pelvic thrust category, the nomenclature category, the flat of the palm category, the grasping of the mane category and the groin-gluteus maximus smack category. So thank you for a great scene with Mike and Jordan, and thanks for getting a few things straight about bottoming, NPI.

 

[silvercamel]

Apart from being cute and smart, and winning Broke Straight Boys Best Chest, you have also done the forum the nicest favor it's been done in ages by vindicating a bottom boy's right to be rough fucked if he wants to be. There's been a lot of anguish expressed here over the last year about whether the recipient of an energetic and verbal pummeling is being dissed and violated, or if he's being done an honor and a compliment. Many of the guys who have bottomed for me are really turned on by that bit of extra effort expended upon them in the pelvic thrust category, the nomenclature category, the flat of the palm category, the grasping of the mane category and the groin-gluteus maximus smack category. So thank you for a great scene with Mike and Jordan, and thanks for getting a few things straight about bottoming, NPI.

Exactly

 

[Vistas]

There's been a lot of anguish expressed here over the last year about whether the recipient of an energetic and verbal pummeling is being dissed and violated, or if he's being done an honor and a compliment. .

I gotta agree. There's such a big difference between abusing a person and having dirty fun with a person. We are such imaginative creatures; I like thinking up fun things to do with my boyfriend (or with past lovers), stuff that in the real world would actually hurt another. In a bedroom (or on a kitchen table, or deep in the woods) being rough, being otherwise naughty, is such a turn on because we're pretending to do something we otherwise couldn't "really" do.

That's why I like the scene. All three of the models are into it, there's lots of life and energy to the play, and everyone gets off in the end.

 

[joninliverton]

There's been a lot of anguish expressed here over the last year about whether the recipient of an energetic and verbal pummeling is being dissed and violated, or if he's being done an honor and a compliment. .

One assesses each film on its own merit. Not all guys who have been "pummelled" have disliked it and I would suggest most have enjoyed it - Scott has said so himself for this video which is something we don't normally have privy of information to in other films, as the models don't normally post on threads.

I thing the "anguish" that you refer to is not the pain endured by the model, but in certain cases (rare as they are) it's the over the top remarks made by the "tops" towards the receiver. This film does not come into that category, I just think that Jordan was a bit OTT with his arrogance and foul language that's all.

 

[seven5tx1]

The high fives and fist bumps were awkward, contrived and kind of embarrassing

 

[slimvintage]

One assesses each film on its own merit. Not all guys who have been "pummelled" have disliked it and I would suggest most have enjoyed it - Scott has said so himself for this video which is something we don't normally have privy of information to in other films, as the models don't normally post on threads.

I thing the "anguish" that you refer to is not the pain endured by the model, but in certain cases (rare as they are) it's the over the top remarks made by the "tops" towards the receiver. This film does not come into that category, I just think that Jordan was a bit OTT with his arrogance and foul language that's all.

jon, you've been pretty coherent over time in your evaluation of rough fuck scenes and whether you feel they cross the line. I'd say two things about this shoot in answer to your post: Jordan is a breathtakingly beautiful specimen who also brings a lot of puppyish joy and energy to the scenes he's in, but he's neither subtle nor sophisticated. Sean and Tyler are brilliantly humorous; Jordan is jokey and basic. So is his fuck-chat. Once he's exhausted his limited repertoire he has to start all over again, which makes him a little repetitive.

And the other thing is this business of aggressive language and whether it's demeaning to the guy who's being fucked. The first time a cute guy looked up at me and panted, "Talk dirty to me, tell me I'm your little fag bitch boy who needs to be powerfucked, tell me what you're gonna do to my beautiful butt, tell me you're gonna slam your fat dick into my cute faggot ass and make me shoot, show me who's boss," I realized drool:) that there are very intelligent, non-psychiatric, well adjusted males who like to be fucked hard and verbally.

Finally I think that all gay guys who like fucking in preference to other pleasurable sexual pursuits, need to show a bit of extra respect for a boy who's the passive member of the partnership. I remember Tyler's once saying that he likes to top in the scenes because when you bottom you feel like such a bitch. In a climate where "straight acting" is at such a perplexing premium, I agree that shaming a guy because he likes to be fucked is deplorable.

But to hear Tyler say what he said in that scene was an unforgettable Broke Straight Boys moment.

 

[mikeyank]

I thing the "anguish" that you refer to is not the pain endured by the model, but in certain cases (rare as they are) it's the over the top remarks made by the "tops" towards the receiver. This film does not come into that category, I just think that Jordan was a bit OTT with his arrogance and foul language that's all.

What you consider "over the top" remarks, arrogance and foul language are perceived as being very hot sex talk by others. Again, there are a wide variety of sexual desires, and keep in mind that what you consider to be offensive, another person considers to be just plain hot. I try to respect each individuals right to do what they enjoy and are turned on by, (as long as no one is forced against their will), even if it is not "my cup of tea".

I don't want to put myself in the same category as a homophobic straight who thinks that my sucking the cock of another guy, and swallowing his cum is disgusting, by saying that any sex act performed by consenting people of age is wrong, or "over the top". I love living in a free society where we have freedom of choice, and I try to never make a blanket statement about what is "wrong", as long as it falls into the guidelines that I've mentioned.

 

[mikeyank]

For the record I did not mention homophobia, I just mentioned it was a bit too verbose for my liking. Simple as. This film and the way the models behaved is nothing like the Torin scenes. We are all entitled to our opinion whether it be FOR or against and I actually gave the film a 4. If one thinks that is PC then I suggest a few Valium pills to chill out.

Why are you so hung up on the Torin scenes? Did you read David's recent post where he said,

"As a director/producer, I am in no way going to allow any harm to come to these boys. Safety on the set is our number one concern and if we felt that any model(s) were at harm...we would NOT film the scene or I would tell the models to tone it down... When dealing with straight boys (real straight boys) you never know what to expect, some of these boys like to wrestle and rough-house a bit to much and sometimes its hot to see straight boys wrestle and some of the bi and gay boys like to rough house as well so at times we will incorporate that into a scene or photoshoot."

If you enjoy this site and trust that David knows what he is doing, I think it's naive to think that Torin's behavior was out of line. It was all part of a controlled video scene with David right there in the room with the "straight boys" and the gay boy, and I feel confident that he is not going to allow anything to be said or done that is not within the boundaries of the Broke Straight Boys motif. Either you buy into the premise of this site or you don't. I personally thoroughly trust David's judgment in his directing and filming the scenes.

 

[elyot1]

Mike/Jordan

One way to calm down Jordan, is have him bottom for a change. Mike has tried bottom with Drew and it was hot. i really like Mike and Jordan, but even in a scene with a,"power bottom," everyone should do oral. i think if Mike and Jordan had to do active sex with the bottom, they might be more controlled.

Jordan gave some great head in an early scene, was going for nipples, etc. and was told to go back to just sucking cock. Mike giving head for the first time with Jimmy was white hot. I'd like to see these guys do more oral sex. However, in this scenerio they were str8 boys fucking a gay guy. They were str8 guys doing or attempting to do what str8 guys do in those sitations. No big woof! Some gay guys like it. I'm gay and I recently told a gay guy to shut up abd suck my cock. He liked that.

Mike is super hot and one of my favorites and I would like to see him in a scene with one other guy, not another threesome. Anyone else notice how he moved so he could get a better view of Jordan's cock getting sucked? Might be fun to see just the two of them together.

 

[joninliverton]

Why are you so hung up on the Torin scenes? Did you read David's recent post where he said,

"As a director/producer, I am in no way going to allow any harm to come to these boys. Safety on the set is our number one concern and if we felt that any model(s) were at harm...we would NOT film the scene or I would tell the models to tone it down... When dealing with straight boys (real straight boys) you never know what to expect, some of these boys like to wrestle and rough-house a bit to much and sometimes its hot to see straight boys wrestle and some of the bi and gay boys like to rough house as well so at times we will incorporate that into a scene or photoshoot."

If you enjoy this site and trust that David knows what he is doing, I think it's naive to think that Torin's behavior was out of line. It was all part of a controlled video scene with David right there in the room with the "straight boys" and the gay boy, and I feel confident that he is not going to allow anything to be said or done that is not within the boundaries of the Broke Straight Boys motif. Either you buy into the premise of this site or you don't. I personally thoroughly trust David's judgment in his directing and filming the scenes.

Mike, check out post 17 of this thread, it was YOU who first mention Torin in this thread so I was just quoting yourself. I've even stated that this film which is what THIS thread is all about doesn't even come into that category however, you are determined to sabotage the thread by causing unnecessary aggro. You're now trying to turn the story that I dont believe in what David and his team are all about. Absolute trash !!! I have on many occasions praised David, Eddie and Mark for their fine work.

I fear that this constant attack on me is because I have not replied to your pvt from a few weeks ago. It's rather sad that you should take this stance but do as you must and if that means we ignore each other then, based on your previous attacks, it suits me fine. Bye....

 

[tampa24]

I'm glad to know that Scott was okay with the scene. That diffuses a lot of the anxiety over whether he felt demeaned or harmed by Jordan's actions. I like Mike and think most of the time that he was just following Jordan's lead.

I do not find any fault with David in his directing of this. He can't control Jordan's personality. I gave this video a 4 but only because of Scott's and Mike's efforts. Jordan himself would have scored much lower.

It's very odd with Jordan. In the beginning he was so polite and grateful for the opportunity to make money. He has even gotten better at performing gay sex. But his onscreen persona has backslid. In a Broke Straight Boys rarity the more I see of his personality the less I like him. In his very first scene he kissed passionately and liked it. Now he doesn't kiss at all. Now he feels the insecure need to announce every few minutes that he's straight. And he chatters nonsense constantly. His progression oddly enough has made him steadily less attractive to me rather than more.

He could still be saved. Because he does have a very nice body. But without a personality adjustment that he can hold for at least 20 minutes of a scene then he will quickly fall out of favor.

 

[qwerty30]

maybe he's realized he's gay and doesn't know how to respond yet so he acts like a macho jerk for cover..not really sure cause im not gay or confused about my sexuality..but i've heard that scenerio a million times by men who are confused.

idk..i can look past his personality cause he's really hot..if i had him as a date id prob just not give it up until he changed into a gentlemen..he's still easy on the eyes and keeps me coming back for more scenes. LOL LOL

 

[SayWhat]

That was the last film I will ever watch that has the foul mouth, immature, arrogant Jordan in it.

It's kinda awkward to see him talking like a gangster because he doesn't look or dress like one. I do have to say, though, that with my natural attraction to total assholes, he turns me on haha