It sucks with Jake. He told us he had never done anything with another guy and wasn't on any other sites. Come to find out he is on a ton of other sites. I wish people would just be honest.
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joninliverton
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I don't know why this issue is still going on, it's not as if Jake has performed any dud scenes here on Broke Straight Boys - in fact his films have been really good. Mark would be foolish to fire him because of his white lie - models such as Jake don't come along all that often. In fact judging by my observation a few weeks ago regarding the number of models that come through the doors these days (compared to previous years), letting him go would by like giving your star QB a free transfer.
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Well, I must say,
I hope that everyone has enjoyed piling on to poor "Jake Tipton", or, whoever he is. Obviously, he has appeared on quite a number of sites, and is just a little too broke, for the likes of many. I don't appreciate that he misrepresented himself to Mark and the crew at Broke Straight Boys, if that's what happened (and I am taking Mark's word, on this): but that is where my personal upset, with Jake Tipton, begins and ENDS.
I now hope that "Jake" will NEVER, EVER return to this site. I would now feel guilty watching another scene of his, on this site, knowing the opprobrium and invective to which he's been subjected, by many fine and upstanding members, here. I would never want to work in a place where I am unappreciated, and even DETESTED ~ and I am sure that "Jake" (scraping for cash, as he surely is): must feel the same way. Unless he is possessed of a heart replete with (and full of) forgiveness, I think it is beneath his dignity as a human BEING, ever to share the kinds of moments that are shared, on sites like this one, with the likes of US, ever again.
Gentlemen (and ladies): I must tell you: this thread is the single most disheartening, dispiriting, and discouraging, thread, I have ever read, in 20 years, as a member of ANY site. ANY SITE.
Yes, I understand full well, the premise of this particular site. And, obviously, "Jake" has transgressed those boundaries, and disappointed many of you. He is a "straight boy" (or maybe "bi", or maybe, in his heart, longing to be "gay" - I don't know): who DIDN'T FIT THE PRESCRIBED NARRATIVE. He didn't live up to the myth, and the legend, of Broke Straight Boys I realize that this is a significant, crucial, lapse, for SO MANY of you.
But, you know, I simply wonder - PERHAPS if Jake had won a kind and WARM reception, from the membership here. . . PERHAPS, JUST PERHAPS - he would have opened up, and you all would have gotten to know him slightly better, and gotten to know the man he IS, INSIDE. (Now, I suppose, we will NEVER know.) But I think, thanks to the arctic reception he's received - and all the cold and callous comments which followed upon it, because he is not "honest enough", or "good enough": he has probably fled to other sites for GOOD and ALL - not only for the money (which he undoubtedly NEEDS) - - - but ALSO for the comfort, of being in places where he is not JUDGED for his sexuality - whatever it might be! - or for his catalogue of videographic work, in the PAST!
I hope that all you amateur detectives have enjoyed multiple, ecstatic, epiphanies, rejoicing in your taboo "discoveries", about "Jake". I should only hope (and wish) that, at the end of the day, you might remember that he is - like all of us: a lonely, vulnerable, human being. Who needs money, to keep himself, and his family, afloat. And who undoubtedly (also) appreciates a little admiration and caring, too - as most models who DARE to share their images online, do.
I simply wonder - as a gay man, who was persecuted, in his youth (though thankfully, no longer): Where is the COMPASSION WE NEEDED, when we were young, being shared with young people who DARE to SHARE with US, now??? (It seems sorely, or ABSOLUTELTY and COMPLETELY lacking, if the young man in question doesn't "colour within the lines" of our own narrative, and fantasies. I feel this to be WRONG in EVERY WAY - morally, emotionally, and in every human way.)
And I think we oughtn't be complacent, in our view of the world. Thanks to my personal friendship with a number of Canadian models, from 20 years ago - I have a great file-cabinet full of information regarding many of the "Broke Straight Boys-1" models whom MikeYank regards as having been impeccably PURE, STRAIGHT, and RELUCTANT recruits to gay initimacy, many years ago: who were guilty of EXACTLY the SAME HEINOUS CRIMES he detests in "Jake", now. (They just didn't get caught.) When I die, I have directed that friends from FAR overseas (beyond the Iron Curtain- known to no one, here) SHARE these files with Mike, so as (hopefully) to give him a sleepless night or two - or at least, a moment to pause, and think about all the harsh words he has offered "Jake".
Because, as MikeYank knows - "Tikkun olam" ~ "the mending of the world" ~ is a duty for all of us humans, of good conscience. I have seen NO mending, in this thread, at all. I see no LOVE, or KINDNESS, whatsoever. Only JUDGEMENT. And the HARSHEST KIND of JUDGEMENT, at that. With the way people have been going on, on this subject, and on this thread, I can hardly imagine why ANYONE would want to be a model for us, EVER????
Do we all want to be detectives? Do we all want to ferret out all the faults of every model we have? I am sure that, in this modern cybernetic universe, we COULD and CAN.
But we have embraced MANY models, here, who have had BIG problems - in terms of health, family, finances, addictions, criminal records even - and many other things - why is poor JAKE so much DIFFERENT? Just because he didn't tell the right STORY? Or, because his STORY was one we didn't LIKE??? I guess that's the reason - Jake didn't fit the narrative that so many other models 'squeaked' their way around - and therefore, he is a leper, amongst us, the PERFECT ARBITERS of JUSTICE.
Again, I hope you are all happy and PROUD to send a nice young MAN AWAY. Maybe he is complicated - though, I bet, if you really knew any of our favourite models here, they are complicated, TOO. Maybe he has CHOSEN to go away, on his own initiative. Maybe he wasn't, or isn't, the sexiest or BEST model who ever WAS ON THIS SITE. BUT. . . I humbly submit - you have all played a part in not giving this lad a chance to BE a part of a nice welcoming site, where he could do the job, and make some nice friends in the meantime: You didn't want him because he didn't fit your story of the way life should be. Maybe you think that's "justice", because he didn't tell you the truth ~ as you felt it NEEDED to be told ~ but I think it's cruelty, and silly, at that.
And I don't like that, because, up here in the Arctic - where the snows are cold and eternal, and it's a constant struggle to SURVIVE - one can't afford to be SO INCREDIBLY CHOOSY. If someone beautiful and nice comes along. . . you give him a HUG (first) to KEEP WARM. And then you start solving problems. And then, you hug him, again.
Again, this was the most intellectually, spiritually, and emotionally disappointing thread I've read on ANY site, in 20 years - including on "FOX news". I hope you all feel happy about it.
With great sadness,
"A." :-((((
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEh61naJsv8
I hope that everyone has enjoyed piling on to poor "Jake Tipton", or, whoever he is. Obviously, he has appeared on quite a number of sites, and is just a little too broke, for the likes of many. I don't appreciate that he misrepresented himself to Mark and the crew at Broke Straight Boys, if that's what happened (and I am taking Mark's word, on this): but that is where my personal upset, with Jake Tipton, begins and ENDS.
I now hope that "Jake" will NEVER, EVER return to this site. I would now feel guilty watching another scene of his, on this site, knowing the opprobrium and invective to which he's been subjected, by many fine and upstanding members, here. I would never want to work in a place where I am unappreciated, and even DETESTED ~ and I am sure that "Jake" (scraping for cash, as he surely is): must feel the same way. Unless he is possessed of a heart replete with (and full of) forgiveness, I think it is beneath his dignity as a human BEING, ever to share the kinds of moments that are shared, on sites like this one, with the likes of US, ever again.
Gentlemen (and ladies): I must tell you: this thread is the single most disheartening, dispiriting, and discouraging, thread, I have ever read, in 20 years, as a member of ANY site. ANY SITE.
Yes, I understand full well, the premise of this particular site. And, obviously, "Jake" has transgressed those boundaries, and disappointed many of you. He is a "straight boy" (or maybe "bi", or maybe, in his heart, longing to be "gay" - I don't know): who DIDN'T FIT THE PRESCRIBED NARRATIVE. He didn't live up to the myth, and the legend, of Broke Straight Boys I realize that this is a significant, crucial, lapse, for SO MANY of you.
But, you know, I simply wonder - PERHAPS if Jake had won a kind and WARM reception, from the membership here. . . PERHAPS, JUST PERHAPS - he would have opened up, and you all would have gotten to know him slightly better, and gotten to know the man he IS, INSIDE. (Now, I suppose, we will NEVER know.) But I think, thanks to the arctic reception he's received - and all the cold and callous comments which followed upon it, because he is not "honest enough", or "good enough": he has probably fled to other sites for GOOD and ALL - not only for the money (which he undoubtedly NEEDS) - - - but ALSO for the comfort, of being in places where he is not JUDGED for his sexuality - whatever it might be! - or for his catalogue of videographic work, in the PAST!
I hope that all you amateur detectives have enjoyed multiple, ecstatic, epiphanies, rejoicing in your taboo "discoveries", about "Jake". I should only hope (and wish) that, at the end of the day, you might remember that he is - like all of us: a lonely, vulnerable, human being. Who needs money, to keep himself, and his family, afloat. And who undoubtedly (also) appreciates a little admiration and caring, too - as most models who DARE to share their images online, do.
I simply wonder - as a gay man, who was persecuted, in his youth (though thankfully, no longer): Where is the COMPASSION WE NEEDED, when we were young, being shared with young people who DARE to SHARE with US, now??? (It seems sorely, or ABSOLUTELTY and COMPLETELY lacking, if the young man in question doesn't "colour within the lines" of our own narrative, and fantasies. I feel this to be WRONG in EVERY WAY - morally, emotionally, and in every human way.)
And I think we oughtn't be complacent, in our view of the world. Thanks to my personal friendship with a number of Canadian models, from 20 years ago - I have a great file-cabinet full of information regarding many of the "Broke Straight Boys-1" models whom MikeYank regards as having been impeccably PURE, STRAIGHT, and RELUCTANT recruits to gay initimacy, many years ago: who were guilty of EXACTLY the SAME HEINOUS CRIMES he detests in "Jake", now. (They just didn't get caught.) When I die, I have directed that friends from FAR overseas (beyond the Iron Curtain- known to no one, here) SHARE these files with Mike, so as (hopefully) to give him a sleepless night or two - or at least, a moment to pause, and think about all the harsh words he has offered "Jake".
Because, as MikeYank knows - "Tikkun olam" ~ "the mending of the world" ~ is a duty for all of us humans, of good conscience. I have seen NO mending, in this thread, at all. I see no LOVE, or KINDNESS, whatsoever. Only JUDGEMENT. And the HARSHEST KIND of JUDGEMENT, at that. With the way people have been going on, on this subject, and on this thread, I can hardly imagine why ANYONE would want to be a model for us, EVER????
Do we all want to be detectives? Do we all want to ferret out all the faults of every model we have? I am sure that, in this modern cybernetic universe, we COULD and CAN.
But we have embraced MANY models, here, who have had BIG problems - in terms of health, family, finances, addictions, criminal records even - and many other things - why is poor JAKE so much DIFFERENT? Just because he didn't tell the right STORY? Or, because his STORY was one we didn't LIKE??? I guess that's the reason - Jake didn't fit the narrative that so many other models 'squeaked' their way around - and therefore, he is a leper, amongst us, the PERFECT ARBITERS of JUSTICE.
Again, I hope you are all happy and PROUD to send a nice young MAN AWAY. Maybe he is complicated - though, I bet, if you really knew any of our favourite models here, they are complicated, TOO. Maybe he has CHOSEN to go away, on his own initiative. Maybe he wasn't, or isn't, the sexiest or BEST model who ever WAS ON THIS SITE. BUT. . . I humbly submit - you have all played a part in not giving this lad a chance to BE a part of a nice welcoming site, where he could do the job, and make some nice friends in the meantime: You didn't want him because he didn't fit your story of the way life should be. Maybe you think that's "justice", because he didn't tell you the truth ~ as you felt it NEEDED to be told ~ but I think it's cruelty, and silly, at that.
And I don't like that, because, up here in the Arctic - where the snows are cold and eternal, and it's a constant struggle to SURVIVE - one can't afford to be SO INCREDIBLY CHOOSY. If someone beautiful and nice comes along. . . you give him a HUG (first) to KEEP WARM. And then you start solving problems. And then, you hug him, again.
Again, this was the most intellectually, spiritually, and emotionally disappointing thread I've read on ANY site, in 20 years - including on "FOX news". I hope you all feel happy about it.
With great sadness,
"A." :-((((
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEh61naJsv8
mikeyank
Long time forumite
Dear Ambi,
I consider you to be one of the sweetest, kindest, gentlest and nicest of people whom I've encountered during my close to six years as a member of this forum. You always complement and encourage both models and forumites alike with rarely any negativity. The only major "riff" that I can recall between us was when you once referred to yourself as an "old man" and then mentioned that your age was, I believe 48. Being that I turned 64 last month, and still consider myself to be youthful, at least in my mind if not in my appearance, that offended me and we had some words on the forum over that, but aside from that I consider you to be a man above reproach with always a kind word and a song for everyone.
I still believe that you and I have a "misunderstanding" on the issue of Jake Tipton, as you seem to misunderstand my feelings about this handsome, sweet young man with the southern accent and the shy smile. To try to explain my feelings, I once again must point out that I am not an avid watcher of internet porn. My passion in porn is reading stories, both true and believably true about straight young men who engage in gay sex for various reasons, and because of my passion for this subject, I was captivated by the previews that I saw of this site on the porn tube sites back in 2008. The scene that hooked me was of Alex and Chris which is listed as the first scene chronologically on the scene list. I could believe that the ex military guy had never had gay sex before and I loved watching David coax the two to do more and more with each other. I later "fell in love" with Tyler, Dustin to an extent, Mike Robbins, Tank Shane and Logan to name a few of the "believably straight" guys from the "golden era" of BSB1.
But I also have tremendous respect and admiration for Porn Shane, Cousin Anthony and one of the young men who I met and was charmed by at the NYC pride Event in 2011, the incredibly handsome and sweet Jason Matthews, who was as kind to me as anyone whom I've ever met in my life. All of these models and others who are admittedly gay or bi or pansexual, and I totally believe that they were valuable assets to this site as both Paul and Damien currently are. There is a definite role for experienced masculine gay guys on Broke Straight Boys to help break in the newbies and to preform professionally and passionately in he right type of scenes here. And of course I parenthetically must mention that I am a 100% gay man, and the boyfriends that I've had in my life were obviously also 100% gay men as well.
But when it comes to my porn to "get off" to, I have specific requirements that my brain requires to excite me. I joined this site because of Alex and Chris as I could believe that I was watching real straight guys take the first proverbial putting their toes in the water of gay sex, before my eyes and I was very turned on by it. And to this day the scenes that get my motor going are when I am introduced to a newbie to gay sex, and certainly to performing on a gay web site. This is my fantasy and I understand that I am in the minority among forum posters but ever since I joined this forum, I've tried to be as honest as I possibly can be without intentionally offending anyone. This forum is where I can express my sexual desires and fantasies and that is what I try to do.
Ambi, you say "this thread is the single most disheartening, dispiriting, and discouraging, thread, I have ever read, in 20 years, as a member of ANY site. ANY SITE." I would ask you to go back into the archives of this forum and read some of the threads that contained mean spirited hateful comments about Jimmy Johnson, where members called him a bully and a homophobe and said that they wanted to see him gang raped and worse, and Jimmy actually read the forum and posted here. I seriously doubt if Jake has the time to read the forum or is in any way interested in what we say here.
It was the site owner Mark, and the producer Johnny who told us that he lied to them and how disappointed they were in him. Please read any of my previous posts on any of the Jake threads, and you will see that I NEVER said that Jake should not be allowed back on Broke Straight Boys, NEVER. I only said that I personally with my own sexual fetish and fantasy was not interested in seeing him perform here again, knowing that he first came here as an experienced gay porn performer and he did lie to Mark, Johnny and the audience, but if others want to watch him here, I have no objection, as I only watch selected scenes here anyone. Again I try to be as honest as possible in my postings, and I don't understand why my opinion offends others who may disagree with me. The whole purpose of the forum is to express our honest feelings, I thought.
As much as I love and lust after many models who perform here, my true loyalty is to my fellow forumites who are real people to me, and not the models. I love and respect all my friend son the forum including you Ambi, Peter, Tampa, Stowe, Jon, johnny (with a small j), Betudidntknow, Beth, Silvercamel, another1, danleeh and so many others who I share thoughts and jokes with here on a daily basis. I respect and admire certain models as well, but my friends on the forum are real to me, the models not necessarily so. Again this is my perspective and others are welcome to disagree.
In closing Ambi, if I've inadvertently offended you in any way, I offer my sincerest apologies as your feelings and my other real people friends here's feelings are what really matters to me on the forum. If the models may read it, I do care about you guys too, but the models come after my friends.
I consider you to be one of the sweetest, kindest, gentlest and nicest of people whom I've encountered during my close to six years as a member of this forum. You always complement and encourage both models and forumites alike with rarely any negativity. The only major "riff" that I can recall between us was when you once referred to yourself as an "old man" and then mentioned that your age was, I believe 48. Being that I turned 64 last month, and still consider myself to be youthful, at least in my mind if not in my appearance, that offended me and we had some words on the forum over that, but aside from that I consider you to be a man above reproach with always a kind word and a song for everyone.
I still believe that you and I have a "misunderstanding" on the issue of Jake Tipton, as you seem to misunderstand my feelings about this handsome, sweet young man with the southern accent and the shy smile. To try to explain my feelings, I once again must point out that I am not an avid watcher of internet porn. My passion in porn is reading stories, both true and believably true about straight young men who engage in gay sex for various reasons, and because of my passion for this subject, I was captivated by the previews that I saw of this site on the porn tube sites back in 2008. The scene that hooked me was of Alex and Chris which is listed as the first scene chronologically on the scene list. I could believe that the ex military guy had never had gay sex before and I loved watching David coax the two to do more and more with each other. I later "fell in love" with Tyler, Dustin to an extent, Mike Robbins, Tank Shane and Logan to name a few of the "believably straight" guys from the "golden era" of BSB1.
But I also have tremendous respect and admiration for Porn Shane, Cousin Anthony and one of the young men who I met and was charmed by at the NYC pride Event in 2011, the incredibly handsome and sweet Jason Matthews, who was as kind to me as anyone whom I've ever met in my life. All of these models and others who are admittedly gay or bi or pansexual, and I totally believe that they were valuable assets to this site as both Paul and Damien currently are. There is a definite role for experienced masculine gay guys on Broke Straight Boys to help break in the newbies and to preform professionally and passionately in he right type of scenes here. And of course I parenthetically must mention that I am a 100% gay man, and the boyfriends that I've had in my life were obviously also 100% gay men as well.
But when it comes to my porn to "get off" to, I have specific requirements that my brain requires to excite me. I joined this site because of Alex and Chris as I could believe that I was watching real straight guys take the first proverbial putting their toes in the water of gay sex, before my eyes and I was very turned on by it. And to this day the scenes that get my motor going are when I am introduced to a newbie to gay sex, and certainly to performing on a gay web site. This is my fantasy and I understand that I am in the minority among forum posters but ever since I joined this forum, I've tried to be as honest as I possibly can be without intentionally offending anyone. This forum is where I can express my sexual desires and fantasies and that is what I try to do.
Ambi, you say "this thread is the single most disheartening, dispiriting, and discouraging, thread, I have ever read, in 20 years, as a member of ANY site. ANY SITE." I would ask you to go back into the archives of this forum and read some of the threads that contained mean spirited hateful comments about Jimmy Johnson, where members called him a bully and a homophobe and said that they wanted to see him gang raped and worse, and Jimmy actually read the forum and posted here. I seriously doubt if Jake has the time to read the forum or is in any way interested in what we say here.
It was the site owner Mark, and the producer Johnny who told us that he lied to them and how disappointed they were in him. Please read any of my previous posts on any of the Jake threads, and you will see that I NEVER said that Jake should not be allowed back on Broke Straight Boys, NEVER. I only said that I personally with my own sexual fetish and fantasy was not interested in seeing him perform here again, knowing that he first came here as an experienced gay porn performer and he did lie to Mark, Johnny and the audience, but if others want to watch him here, I have no objection, as I only watch selected scenes here anyone. Again I try to be as honest as possible in my postings, and I don't understand why my opinion offends others who may disagree with me. The whole purpose of the forum is to express our honest feelings, I thought.
As much as I love and lust after many models who perform here, my true loyalty is to my fellow forumites who are real people to me, and not the models. I love and respect all my friend son the forum including you Ambi, Peter, Tampa, Stowe, Jon, johnny (with a small j), Betudidntknow, Beth, Silvercamel, another1, danleeh and so many others who I share thoughts and jokes with here on a daily basis. I respect and admire certain models as well, but my friends on the forum are real to me, the models not necessarily so. Again this is my perspective and others are welcome to disagree.
In closing Ambi, if I've inadvertently offended you in any way, I offer my sincerest apologies as your feelings and my other real people friends here's feelings are what really matters to me on the forum. If the models may read it, I do care about you guys too, but the models come after my friends.
What a great post Mikey. Thank you.
Upon further reflection Ambi I hope you will see the conversation in this thread in a less abhorrent light. For myself I haven't said that I think he should never be allowed back. All I've said is that I defer to the judgment of management on the question. If as we've said before is true that the majority of members don't belong to the forum, then no talk of Jake's other exploits online would be of consequence to their enjoyment of him. Plus of course there are some fans of Broke Straight Boys who really don't care about the sexual orientation or prior porn experience of the models, as long as they put on a good show.
There may be times when Broke Straight Boys fudges or otherwise leaves ambiguous the sexual orientation of a potentially very good model. To their great credit though they always try to find fresh new amateur talent. If they are misled (greatly) on that last point by the model, it is a big deal on a site like this one. A site like College Dudes for instance, not so much.
If a model has done one or even two small stints elsewhere...as Johnny has intimated, he can work with that. But he just wants full honesty and disclosure up front so he knows what he's getting into. That way he can market and present the model in such a way as to not mislead the audience or have his own integrity called into question later. Even if a model has a high level of prior experience (like a "Porn Shane" model) , that can be handled too in the introduction, marketing and presentation of him. But it's much more difficult in marketing a model to play catch-up.
If they decided to bring Jake back and he let viewers know that he had prior experience he might still do well here. I would give him a chance. He's handsome, likeable and does a good job. But as I say, that's their call.
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I feel I must now go to confession for my sins. As I said I, unlike Mikeyank do not care if a model as appeared elsewhere only that they perform with a modicum of passion and commitment. I found Jake very attractive and would watch him on any site. In reality, I have known some porn performers.It may be a case of the ones I have know, but they were all complicated and not easy people to know. There were always gigantic issues. I admire the people that run this site. I am sure it is not easy dealing with a houseful of these guys.
betudidntknow
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I think most importantly, this was an EXTREME case scenario and I would be very surprised if this is the norm in any way shape or form. It was a "discovery" that more or less self detonated, now pieces are flying all over the place!
joninliverton
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You got it right Anbi. And yes I have read Mike and Tampa's response but still think you have hit the nail on the head. I agree and hope Jake doesn't return here because of all the bad comments made by the holier than thou members. Yet they condemn Jake for lying but yet love his films - what dicks. They really need to get a life or pinch themselves in the butt for not being as condemning of previous models that have lied their asses off. They're just a fucking big bunch of bullies.
mikeyank
Long time forumite
Jon, does the phrase, "let he who is without sin, cast the first stone", sound familiar? I can think of times when you actually bullied models with your comments, and if you are referring to my commenting that once I found out that Jake had already been fucked on film at another gay studio before ever arriving at Broke Straight Boys, it ruined my personal sexual fantasy, how does that make me anything but one member expressing what turns me on? I never said he should or shouldn't return. That's not my decision anyway.
johnny
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Mike you said what you felt right from the start.You never said he should not return.You just said how you felt. Is that not what
the Forum is all about ? To Say what you feel..He lied.It is all up to management now. Let him back great. But please none of this
first time shit. He is hot, Got a great cock and he is cute .But can anyone look at him the same? I will watch him. Just don't say it
is his First, Second , Third, Forth time . Damn he has been on more sites Than Johnny Rapid. So have him back . Just don't bullshit.
the Forum is all about ? To Say what you feel..He lied.It is all up to management now. Let him back great. But please none of this
first time shit. He is hot, Got a great cock and he is cute .But can anyone look at him the same? I will watch him. Just don't say it
is his First, Second , Third, Forth time . Damn he has been on more sites Than Johnny Rapid. So have him back . Just don't bullshit.
johnny
BSB Addict
I ran out of time to edit. Just can't believe people are arguing with you. For saying what you feel...
The forum is to argue. If you want..People say nasty things..And knowing you mike you will let it pass.
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Hi, Mike ~
I apologize also for the harshness of my tone, previously - I am a mad Celt, and sometimes I take things just a little too seriously. Not to mention (though I am not a barrister) I get paid the small dollars I do, to defend people in unpopular causes, vigorously. These defences are slightly more animated, if I think they're RIGHT: and I do still stand by the substance of what I said. But. . . I appreciate your (and Tampa's) gentle and irenic account of your perspective, in this matter. You are both, absolutely lovable, men. (Something I would do well to keep in mind the next weekend I have a three-day gallbladder attack, AND learn that all the plumbing in my house must be re-done. . . I was even crankier than USUAL, this time.)
This is for certain - one thing I am still learning about this site (as a newcomer to "Broke Straight Boys") is the significance Broke Straight Boys has, as a fetish-site, for many. Many of my friends (in real life) laughingly call me "the man of a thousand fetishes" (none of them truly terrible, I should hope): and I have belonged to quite a number of sites which represent those fetishes.
AND - in reading your words, Mike (and yours, Tampa): it does occur to me that models on THOSE sites would sometimes be judged rather harshly by members who didn't think the models in question quite lived up to the fetish, which the models were supposed to be representing. I wasn't always pleased with that, but, I can understand it as a personal reaction of disappointment, to a model who didn't live up to the founding premise of the site (e.g., in my case, "He didn't really like kissing that guy's TOES, all that much" ;-)
The only thing I would maintain, about the premise of "Broke Straight Boys" - is that this premise is a lot trickier than a focus upon a particular body-part, or action, or item of clothing. . . the stock-in-trade of most fetish-sites. Because, this premise: the premise of a straight boy who gradually gets to become comfortable with gay sex (not that it isn't a genuine fetish, and people don't feel it DEEPLY) goes a lot more deeply to the core of a person's personality, than whether he has cute feet, or not!!! LOL!!!
Or, to put it another way - one can always abjure the wearing of a leather jacket - that's not one of my fetishes, BTW - but it is very difficult to be put in a position (because one needs money, badly): to know that a potentially lucrative or even life-saving job is out of one's reach, IF one admits that one's sexuality is not what people are looking for. . . or, because one has dipped one's toes (perhaps all TEN of them, in Jake's case): in previous or concurrent videographic endeavours - just to keep food on the table for one's family, or, for other reasons. (Obviously, sometimes there are much LESS noble reasons.)
Mike, and Tampa, I hope I have never given the impression that I am unsympathetic to anyone who finds straight guys HOT. (Or the idea of being with them, enjoying their company, or even SEDUCING them. There is a certain delicious naughtiness, about that. And I suspect that many, MANY of us who grew up SURROUNDED almost exclusively by straight boys, clearly see the appeal, therein. *Though that appeal is a little less compelling for me, than for some of you guys - or many of the members: and I'm not certain it's a really a minority, Mike!*)
However, my point in all this, simply was: that I think all the many threads and posts devoted to Jake's situation (to which I am now contributing once again, and I apologize, but I wanted the opportunity to clarify my feelings): ladled the gravy on the goose, a little THICKLY. Jake shouldn't have misled his employers (no one should do that, really): but, I felt that (even though he is a blond!): he was a pretty good model, with lots of potential, and I should have hoped that Broke Straight Boys would give him an opportunity (in an interview with Sha, or something) to clear things up, and allow people to know him better. Because (it seems to me), that good models are hard to find. (And I also think that, though subscription numbers to any particular video are paramount, the comments here do matter to models' employment - even if not explicitly so. IDEAS are very powerful.)
And perhaps my perspective in this matter is coloured (or discoloured, or distorted) by the fact that I have a couple of close friends who used to work, in this business. One a Canadian, the other, a Russian. (Both of them have gone on to happy and successful careers, subsequently.)
The Canadian friend came from a devout evangelical family - and when his family found out he was gay, cut him off from support for university: at which point (having NO money - he was a BROKE GAY BOY) he turned to working in this business, to get himself through school. (I tutored.) What's more, he asked me, "A - could you convince my devout, fundamentalist Mother, that even though I am gay, I can still be a Christian, and that I am NOT going to HELL? You are the only person I know, who could ever convince her." (It took me a weekly sermon to his Mother, every week, for five years, to do so - but I DID convince her - and they are all happily reconciled, as a family, now. My Dear Old Dad says this is the greatest rhetorical feat I ever performed. . . I don't know about that, but: I think those were the most WORTHWHILE 260 letters I ever wrote.)
I will say, though, that my friend used to appear, DECADES ago, on F4F, and for the three or four years he did that - - - I set my alarm for 3:00 a.m. every other morning, so I could be up to be in the room and support him, whenever he had to be on. He asked me to be there. (I am too old to do stuff like that, anymore.)
Because, you bet: every night he came on, there would be some conflicted 'queer-basher', who would come on the chat and start assaulting him, verbally. (The usual comment: "Show us your DICK, you miserable faggot!") And I would tease and mock and belittle that person (in the lightest and most effervescent fashion) until he crawled away, with his moth-eaten tail, between his legs. And that's one of the SMALLER reasons (the BIGGER one, is his own COURAGE) that my Canadian friend survived being a model, without suffering PTSD. (Very few of us are acquainted, with the stresses even the most SUCCESSFUL models, face.)
The story of my Russian friend is quite different. He was (and is) 100% straight - but on many European sites, the perspective is much different, than at Broke Straight Boys The European gay audiences want to feel that ALL their models are either gay, or POTENTIALLY GAY - so that they can have a CHANCE with them!!! (Broke Straight Boys veterans really could never believe how diametrically opposed the myths on THOSE SITES are, to this one.)
This (very resourceful) fellow - managed to TRACK ME DOWN. (I don't know how he did it, but he is a very smart guy.) When he DID, he broke down and cried. He said, "A", I know the site SAYS I'm GAY, and I am SUPPOSED to be GAY. But I am NOT. . . would you still LIKE ME and BE MY FRIEND, ANYWAY? I am SO SORRY I LIED to you, on the site!!! I am SORRY I lied about being gay, but I NEEDED the MONEY to pay for university, and to support my girlfriend. . . and, now, I really need a friend who is good at the English language, to help me get through school, so I can be successful in BUSINESS."
I said, "Look - 95% of the guys in the world are straight ~ which means that 95% of my male friends are straight, too. Don't worry about it." I told him (to echo Jon, from Liverton, with whom I don't ALWAYS agree, but this time, I do): "It's a little white lie, you had to tell, to have a JOB, and pay for your SCHOOL. I'm not hurt, about the deception, at all." And then we went to work on his studies in English - and now he IS a very successful businessman: married to a beautiful wife, with a couple of beautiful children.
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So, Mike, absolutely, I would say that - like you - I have met some of the best friends of my lifetime, on the message-boards upon which I've subsisted, like the unpleasant parasite, I am!
I would also say, though, that having known (and having been befriended by) two real models, in my lifetime: I also feel a deep sympathy for where they are coming from.
Though, sure, a few models may come to a site (any site) from sheer sexual curiosity: most of them (both straight AND gay) come because they really are needing the money, and a little opportunity. Sure - some will squander the money on parties and drugs and other unspeakable things. . . but others (perhaps they are the minority): simply need a little financial "boost." Some of them are gay, but - truly (statistically): most of them are straight. (That's been my experience, anyway.)
Absolutely, the friends I have met on gay message-boards over the years have become some of the BEST friends, of my life. And I am loyal to them, and LOVE them. (And go visit them, when I can!)
But the same is true of (at least) these couple of models (the Canadian and the Russian) who reached out to me for help, because their LIVES were so difficult. . . they became good friends, too. Just as real, and just as good, and just as kind: as my friends from the message-boards. They SUCCEEDED in life: and I am PROUD of them.
I live in the far North, and unlike some of you guys. . . I will never meet a Broke Straight Boys model at a "Gay Pride" event, I suppose. And, while I have no doubt that SOME of the models we like, for their performances, may well be JERKS (only Mark and Johnny and Sabrina and that crew could say for sure, and, if they're smart, they WON'T): there might be a significant minority of the models who will grow up to be fine, and good, and absolutely lovely people. But - - - I do think that any kind words we can offer, will NOT be amiss!
That is why I am committed to always being kind to the models, here. And as gentle and friendly as I can be. Most of us, can have no idea about the worries and difficulties many of them have been through, in their lives. I think the models make tremendous sacrifices for us - even the ones who AREN'T our favorites - and, I also think, if there is anything redemptive or good about this whole experience AT ALL. . . it is: #1) To share with each other, the joy of beauty, and sexuality - which is a wonderful thing. And, #2) To encourage every model who appears here, with our best words and best thoughts, so that he feels equipped to go on and live his best possible life.
In short, I don't think that there is any discrepancy (in loyalty or rank) between loving fellow-members, and models, EQUALLY. We are all human beings, and we all deserve people to love us, and listen to us. Human kindness is not, in my opinion, a zero-sum game.
Mike, neither YOU, nor TAMPA, has ever said anything different - but I think it is an important message to reinforce. (And even with our hosts, at BluMedia - who DO have the power to treat models kindly, or to decide they are just not "worth it", for the membership. *And that's the font of my concern about all this commentary, about Jake.*)
The one thing which DOES PERPETUALLY RANKLE and RILE ME, though, is the suggestion one hears, from time to time, that: "I PAID for this SITE, and therefore, I am entitled to say ANYTHING I want, about ANYONE I want, ANYTIME I want." I think that's pure selfishness; pure consumerism; and symptomatic of treating models like products, rather than as human beings. And I don't think that's right.
Obviously, some people will not like certain scenes (or models) as much as others. I would only urge that these criticisms be offered in a constructive way - which makes no model feel that he is less-than-beautiful, or unappreciated. Because, models are NOT products - they are human beings, just like US. And, whatever their faults or failings, I think we ought to strive to help them make the most of their time with us - not just for US, but also, for THEM.
"A" XOXOXOXOXO
mikeyank
Long time forumite
Dear Ambi,
Thank you for your usual kind-hearted response to my post, and I do respect you and your position, and I most certainly continue to wish the handsome young man known here as Jake Tipton, success and happiness in his life, whether he appears here again or not. I never intended to wish him anything but that, while at the same time expressing my personal visceral reaction to his being "outed", and the effect it had on my potential arousal in watching his initial scenes on Broke Straight Boys All my best to Jake and of course to you.
PS I am sorry that your health issues with your gall bladder attack caused you such discomfort physically, as I'm sure your plumbing issues caused you financial discomfort. Here's hoping that both situations have been resolved.
Thank you for your usual kind-hearted response to my post, and I do respect you and your position, and I most certainly continue to wish the handsome young man known here as Jake Tipton, success and happiness in his life, whether he appears here again or not. I never intended to wish him anything but that, while at the same time expressing my personal visceral reaction to his being "outed", and the effect it had on my potential arousal in watching his initial scenes on Broke Straight Boys All my best to Jake and of course to you.
PS I am sorry that your health issues with your gall bladder attack caused you such discomfort physically, as I'm sure your plumbing issues caused you financial discomfort. Here's hoping that both situations have been resolved.
Dear Ambi,
Thank you for such a lovely post. I really enjoyed hearing all the stories you shared with us. Writing to the Christian mother tirelessly to bring her around, getting the heartfelt apology from the Russian who felt so guilty about lying to you and the audience about being gay, helping him with English to the point that he could navigate the English speaking business world. It does give me a different perspective on life and how I view models who are in the industry. You are a joy to have in here Ambi. Like Mikey, I hope that your health issues and home maintenance issues will be quickly resolved. Thank you for sharing all of that with us.
Many hugs!
Thank you for such a lovely post. I really enjoyed hearing all the stories you shared with us. Writing to the Christian mother tirelessly to bring her around, getting the heartfelt apology from the Russian who felt so guilty about lying to you and the audience about being gay, helping him with English to the point that he could navigate the English speaking business world. It does give me a different perspective on life and how I view models who are in the industry. You are a joy to have in here Ambi. Like Mikey, I hope that your health issues and home maintenance issues will be quickly resolved. Thank you for sharing all of that with us.
Many hugs!
johnny
BSB Addict
I have said this before..You boys sure can write.I would never get out of the house if I wrote like you all.
Laugh out loud.
xoxo johnny
Laugh out loud.
xoxo johnny
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