it's been an experience

[tampa24]

Wow! Zyl. I'm so sorry that this has happened to you and that you will be leaving us. I hope that you will reconsider. Whoever these people were who did this to you should be ashamed of themselves. I thought it was a wonderful gesture of you to share the one photo. It's a shame that it started something that got out of hand because of some creepers.

I actually like the idea of Carking's to call some of these stalkers out. Then we would know who they are. And who to avoid. Of course I never PM'd you for pics. But it's one thing like Carking describes where he asks and you say no, and he drops it. It's another when somebody is demanding it of you. Calling you on the phone at home? Boundaries....

And Zyl. Please know that you will not be missed simply because you have a nice body. You'll be missed because you seem like a very nice guy. And we enjoy all of your posts. As David says...Don't leave the site altogether just because you feel the need to leave the forum. The porn is great. The BTS vids are great. If you do leave I hope you'll consider coming back some time in the future.

Big hugs,

Tampa

 

[vicekid]

i do owe a bit more of an explanation to the community. i will say for the most part, everyone has been respectful. there are a few among us that feel they were entitled to more pictures from myself and pushed hard and got quite nasty when i refused. one of these creepers even went so far as to get my private yahoo messenger name and contact me. in speaking, he called me a cock tease, i owed it to everyone to post more pictures, i should have shown my face and many more, derogatory remarks despite my continued refusal.

mike, you didn't go over the lines. no worries there, the few who did know who they are and really should be ashamed of themselves. i no longer feel safe to keep posting knowing what some guys will say when they don't get their way.

Z,

I am very sorry to see you leaving. Your post were always enjoyable. It is extremely disturbing that members are not only being disrespectful but outright harassing.

I BELIEVE THAT ALL SUCH DOCUMENTED CASES OF HARASSMENT SHOULD IMMEDIATELY BE DIRECTED TO MANAGEMENT (I BELIEVE THIS WOULD BE MARK) AND IF TRUE, MANAGEMENT SHOULD IMMEDIATELY BAN SUCH INDIVIDUALS FROM THE FORUM AND TURN OFF ANY ACCESS TO THE FORUM TO THOSE INDIVIDUALS. MEMBERS HAVE BEEN BANNED IN THE PAST FOR UNPROFESSIONAL CONDUCT AND THIS IS NO DIFFERENT.


I have read the pros & cons about revealing too much and getting to know/contact others on the forum. Being somewhat quiet and shy I take great care in who(m) I determine becomes a friend I trust enough to go outside the normal. Those very few individual know who they are, and to me they are special. I am also very honored to have had the chance to visit with the porn master himself, David, in Florida. I could not have been so lucky to meet a finer individual. I was amazed as to what we were able to candidly talk about. Thank you David for your openest and trust. I can say the same for my other honored friends I've made here.

I hope we don't have to go to the point of eliminating PM's, but I truly believe that reporting abuses to management PRIVATELY and letting them check it out and/or banning them one solution to help protect us all. The rest is up to us.

Live Long and Prosper,

Vicekid

 

[carking1]

Putting these people out in front of the whole forum would be a service to the rest of us forumites. We can help each other to protect ourselves from this cyber terrorism. It also might serve as a deterrent, putting potential stalkers on notice that their actions WILL be made public.

I am totally amazed at the extent to which these people will go in order to fuel a fantasy. These perpetrators have no morals, no conscience, and will not be stopped until we stop them.

I know I sound like a broken record, but it points out once again the dangers of the social networks. I guess I am in the minority, but I do not participate in MySpace, Facebook, or any of the others. I don't twitter, I don't tweet. When you put personal information into cyberspace, you invite the world into your personal space. Think about who is on your network. Would you want your mother or father or your employer to know as much about your personal life as some of your more personal friends?

We have GOT to police ourselves, or the end result is that this wonderful forum will be taken away from us. There is just too much potential out there for someone to get hurt or destroyed if it goes unchecked. I'm certain that we have all heard about people who have gone as far as to commit suicide because of damaging information which became public. For God's sake, people, we have got to get a handle on this, before it's too late. I will probably be accused of inciting paranoia, and that may well be, but it is terribly naive to believe that it is impossible for someone to be devastated by what happens here. Please, please think about it. I don't want to get hurt, and I sure as hell don't want to see any of my friends hurt.

 

[joninliverton]

i do owe a bit more of an explanation to the community. i will say for the most part, everyone has been respectful. there are a few among us that feel they were entitled to more pictures from myself and pushed hard and got quite nasty when i refused. one of these creepers even went so far as to get my private yahoo messenger name and contact me. in speaking, he called me a cock tease, i owed it to everyone to post more pictures, i should have shown my face and many more, derogatory remarks despite my continued refusal.

mike, you didn't go over the lines. no worries there, the few who did know who they are and really should be ashamed of themselves. i no longer feel safe to keep posting knowing what some guys will say when they don't get their way.

This is the last post that Zyl made on this thread thus far. To me the behaviour shown by the guilty party/parties is harrassment. Harrassment of any sort is illegal and Zyl you should have passed these details on to Mark, the site owner who probably would have warned them or even banned them.

I don't think that "outting" the names of the harrassers to the forum will prove anything and really it's not an issue for the forum but between yourself and Broke Straight Boys management. Naming names within the forum would only cause arguments and even more bad feeling in a forum that has only just got over the last major issue.

By just leaving the forum/site and reporting nothing to the bosses then you are giving the harrassers free reign to bug others. However, that decision is yours and I respect it. Keep kewl dude xx

 

[mikeyank]

throwing red meat to lions

I believe that I was the first person to see Zyl84's post on this thread, and questioned if I went over any line with him, with my "suggestive" posts on the forum to him. I believe it was yesterday that he mentioned that he jerked off three times to a particular video, and he told us what a horny young man he is. I felt way better when he specifically told me that I was not one of the "offenders", and he then detailed what the "creepers" were doing.

I'm so sorry that he is leaving us, and that it is under such adverse circumstances. Zyl has been an open, intelligent poster and contributed a lot to the forum, being one of the first to join in on my "sucking off straight friends", where he posted some very honest and totally hot stories about college roommates, etc. I'm very interested and turned on reading such accounts, from real life.

I'm trying to be very delicate in what I'm going to say next. Zyl is a very attractive young man, in fact as hot as any model on the site. When he added his avatar showing his smooth firm abs, and then added that naked pic of his torso including his cock and balls on his profile page, my interest in him was amped up tenfold. Let's face it, the initial reason that I, and I assume all of you joined this site was to see guy's who look like Zyl naked and having sex. Many of us have since fallen in love with the forum, as well as behind the scenes features, after joining, but we all initially came here, to see handsome young men get naked and hard and have sex. It is a porn site.

My point is that while I understand that I need to show restraint in my everyday "real life", and I can't approach every hot straight 20 year old I see playing basketball shirtless, and ask him if I can suck his dick, there are other's who particularly while on this site, often with one hand on the keyboard and another on their own dick, get carried away.

I'm certainly not defending anyone who harassed him and went to measures of getting personal information about him, but I can see how a horny porn fan on this site, between jerking off to images of Logan and Diesal and MikeR getting naked and showing off their magnificent hard young cocks and shooting their loads across our screens, could be confused and want to see the same from an exceptionally good looking member of the forum.

I've read several member's of the forum mention how hot joninliverton is. I've never seen his picture, but he has told us that he has shared it privately with some of his friends here, but that he would not want to post it on the forum for all to "gawk at". Jon even advised Zyl on his profile page of the same thing and not to put his face out there. This is apparently good advise, as I would have to guess that the vast majority of members of Broke Straight Boys are older, or closeted men, who may not have the greatest sex lives in their private lives, and turn to the internet and this fine site to provide sexual relief, and I can see how the lines became blurry to some as to who the objects of their fantasy should be. Zyl in his desire to show off his fine looks to us, also aroused an ugly side in some people.

I'm not defending or excusing anyone's actions here who crossed the line with Zyl, but I can certainly see how they connected the dots, and wound up in a bad place. Jon is correct that particularly young attractive members of the forum have to be very careful with what they reveal here, as there is more potential for harassment on a site like this, where the initial reason we came here was to induce an orgasm in ourselves while vicariously living through ideal sex partners on the screen.

I hope that this long rambling post makes some sense, and does not offend anyone particularly Zyl who did not realize how his revealing pictures might affect some less stable folks out in the audience. I would hope that Zyl realizes that the vast majority of us are not stalkers and that perhaps he may reconsider and remain on the site, and continue to share with us, (put perhaps without the avatar and profile pic).

I made a very good friend on this forum who was a 22 year old closeted guy, that enjoyed the site. He has since met an equally attractive guy his age and they have been living together for over a year now. He is no longer on the site, but we still exchange several emails a month. So while this may be a good object lesson to be careful with the information and images that we expose on the internet, most people are basically good, and I've made some very dear friends on this site, and hope that we continue to be able to PM and make new friends here. But as in all of life, one must proceed with caution.

 

[slimvintage]

This is the last post that Zyl made on this thread thus far. To me the behaviour shown by the guilty party/parties is harrassment. Harrassment of any sort is illegal and Zyl you should have passed these details on to Mark, the site owner who probably would have warned them or even banned them.

I don't think that "outting" the names of the harrassers to the forum will prove anything and really it's not an issue for the forum but between yourself and Broke Straight Boys management. Naming names within the forum would only cause arguments and even more bad feeling in a forum that has only just got over the last major issue.

By just leaving the forum/site and reporting nothing to the bosses then you are giving the harrassers free reign to bug others. However, that decision is yours and I respect it. Keep kewl dude xx

It could also be that zyl doesn't feel that the member who bugged him for more photos (and then had a tantrum when he or she didn't get them) actually represents much more than a nuisance, one that soured zyl enough on the forum not to want to make himself vulnerable for more of the same, but just a nuisance nonetheless.

One of the great things about the forum, as several of the ladies have so eloquently observed on this thread, is the venue it represents for making friends. Enthusiasts make excellent buddies, whether it be baseball fanatics or birdwatchers. Friendships grow up around shared interests. In our case it's to a large degree the product sold on this website. The protagonists of the porn videos, coupled with our desire to talk and exchange views about them, the story lines, the camera work and myriad other facets of this site, are the axis around which the forum turns. Getting to know fellow forumites through their posts and PMs may make some of us feel we can push intimacy farther than others of us are comfortable with. It's not hard to see how, on a site that sells stories about cute guys having sex, that cute guys who buy the product along with the rest of us might get confused in the minds of some members, with the boys in the films.

I suggested to zyl, before the calls for outing the creeps appeared on this thread, just publicly to tell everyone who they were, and hang in here. But jon is right that that's an overly dramatic way of handling this. It also risks involving people as well meaning and respectful as several forumites I can think of, who might have crossed the line and asked for pix, in witchhunts they don't deserve.

There is always a combination of different reasons to cancel your membership in any kind of paysite. I hope zyl is gonna be fine. And that he won't miss me too much lol.

 

[chafu213]

Wow, amazing post!!!! Thanks so much, Lovelumps.

Chafu213

 

[Jayman01]

Earlier I found myself getting sucked into the negativity that the insecure thoughts referenced by some member’s actions caused... I really had to meditate on this to calm down. Wow, that is not me. In my defense I am only human.

A good friend of mine, Tom Sawyer (Not Mark Twain), wrote a book titled “What Tom Sawyer Learned from Dying.” To summarize the importance of this man in my life he was among the first people to open my eyes to the Laws of the Universe and he is the only person that know who died clinically three times before finally passing on in April 2007. Anyway after Tom came back his second time he was allowed to remember all of his past lives and everything he learned about life after death. Also, he had some pretty impressive psychic gifts. I digress.

The most important thing he taught me was that when some one wrongs us in this physical life we are the ones who choose how we feel about it and how we react to it. We always have a choice. As he would say, “we are spiritual beings experiencing a human condition. Some of us are more evolved souls than others. Yet none of us is any greater or less than the other.” We all came from the same source and we will all return to the same source that emanates from the point of perfect divine unconditional love.

The next and perhaps most important thing he taught me was that when we are wronged we should never take it personal. We need to let it go and let God be judge. It does not serve our greater good to be consumed by the fear and hatred that comes with the lower human emotions… These things are just test of our initiation to the next level of ascension for our soul’s evolution. Once we become consumed by these emotions we have given in to our lower ego and we have lowered our vibrational frequency that resonates with divine unconditional love. We set our selves up for disease and infection within our physical body and we can also get sucked into a vacuum of negative emotions that can lower our vibrations as well as those around us. (You all know what I mean some people can literally suck the life right out of you if we let them. Yuck!)

When we cross over we all have a life review which is necessary for our soul to evolve. In this review we experience every moment of our lives over and over again until we understand the lessons we came here to learn. As part of this experience we not only experience all of our thoughts, feelings, actions, and emotions from our perspective we also feel and experience them from every single person’s life that we touched or influenced in any way while in our body. We experience all of their thoughts, feelings, and emotions too. In essence we learn how our singe action, or though affected that person from their point of view. Tom said this is so our soul can learn and evolve to the point of ascension… When we lash out in anger at someone we will feel how they felt and we will know how that moment affected that person for the rest of their life. When we molest a person with our eyes or physically we will experience the emotions felt on the receiving end as well. So, what I am saying is that it is OK to respond humanly to whatever happens in life. We need to be mindful not to stay stuck there and continue to breed more negative emotions. We need to experience the moment for what it is and the lesson it has to teach us and then let it go. If need be give it to our higher power and move on.

Ultimately we can only be responsible for ourselves. It is not my place to pass judgment on others. How egocentric of me. I realize if I react negatively, then there is something I need to work on for my own personal growth… Spiritually I realize that I cannot live in fear. Life is way too short for that. What is done is done we cannot change that only move on from here. I hope that one day Zyl will come back too. I really enjoy reading his posts...

 

[mikeyank]

It's not hard to see how, on a site that sells stories about cute guys having sex, that cute guys who buy the product along with the rest of us might get confused in the minds of some members, with the boys in the films.

The eloquent Slimvintage said in the preceding sentence what I tried to say in paragraphs and paragraphs. Thank you Slim for stating my point in a clear concise sentence.

 

[zyl84]

thank you all so very much. to put your minds at ease, i am remaining a member but opting out of these forums. i could handle what happened in PM's, if i didn't like where the conversation was going, i would delete the PM before it was read ending the conversation. 99% of the pm's were handled and the individual understood my stance. when it extended beyond the forum, to me receiving yim's from an anonymous coward who grew big ass balls overnight is where i drew the line. if i could directly report this coward to mark, it would have been done. sadly, they chose an anonymous route to expel their horny anger over my refusals.

i'm not looking to start a scarlet letter here on perverts. i don't want to string up the guilty party and cry witch. a vast majority of you are amazing people, i just can't picture myself in the foreseeable future wanting to contribute knowing that someone here is as phony as a $3 bill.

please let this issue die. guard yourselves and your pictures. never reveal too much to someone over the internet, since you have no idea if they can be trusted. i revealed my yahoo id to 5 people. you do the math.

 

[mikeyank]

I'm glad that this unfortunate incident has not driven you away from a site that you obviously enjoy. And as you've gotten the forum fever, I have a feeling you will still be reading, if not contributing to the forum, but please pop in every once in a while, when you have a comment to make. You have a lot of friends on this forum, and perhaps just one creepy dude who freaked you out.

Peace

 

[slimvintage]

thank you all so very much. to put your minds at ease, i am remaining a member but opting out of these forums. i could handle what happened in PM's, if i didn't like where the conversation was going, i would delete the PM before it was read ending the conversation. 99% of the pm's were handled and the individual understood my stance. when it extended beyond the forum, to me receiving yim's from an anonymous coward who grew big ass balls overnight is where i drew the line. if i could directly report this coward to mark, it would have been done. sadly, they chose an anonymous route to expel their horny anger over my refusals.

i'm not looking to start a scarlet letter here on perverts. i don't want to string up the guilty party and cry witch. a vast majority of you are amazing people, i just can't picture myself in the foreseeable future wanting to contribute knowing that someone here is as phony as a $3 bill.

please let this issue die. guard yourselves and your pictures. never reveal too much to someone over the internet, since you have no idea if they can be trusted. i revealed my yahoo id to 5 people. you do the math.

Excellent.

From time to time I'm gonna ask myself, "How did ole zyl like that scene?" and comfort myself with the knowledge that you might have just loved it. So glad to hear you aren't cancelling, just blending with the background, not drowning, but waving, as Stevie might have said. Big hug mister. Take care.

 

[tampa24]

I'm glad that this unfortunate incident has not driven you away from a site that you obviously enjoy. And as you've gotten the forum fever, I have a feeling you will still be reading, if not contributing to the forum, but please pop in every once in a while, when you have a comment to make. You have a lot of friends on this forum, and perhaps just one creepy dude who freaked you out.

Peace

So many great points have been made on here by many people. If I quoted all of them it would take forever.

Zyl, I think you are by far the bigger man for handling this the way you are. As opposed to the creep who harassed you. I don't blame you at all for wanting to back off for a while. I do have a suggestion for you though. You still have anonymity here on the forum. You could easily wait a while and come back on with a different profile page and screen name...no pics, and start participating again. Nobody need ever know that you are the same person who was once known as Zyl. You know the 5 names of possible people who could have written you. So that gives you warning of who to keep at arm's length. You probably have that list narrowed down to 2. But whatever...

As you've seen, the forum can also be a great place to meet people and explore other areas of common interest. Besides just sex and porn. For instance Mike and I have a great friendly rivalry going on right now with baseball. Both of our home teams are neck and neck for the lead in the AL East. And for the whole season our teams have been pretty much #1 and #2 in the whole country. So that's fun to talk about! The Rays took the weekend series today, 2 out of 3 in Saint Petersburg. With the NYY's still one game ahead. Mike and I have always agreed that we only want to see the best team win. (As long as it's ours.) haha But regardless of the outcome of any game, Pennant race or World Series...our friendship will always be intact.

To bring this back on point though it is great to have something fun to talk about in private with other people. And the forum offers that opportunity. So don't throw out the baby with the dirty bathwater. If you decide to stay as Zyl or if you decide to come back later as Bill or Bob or xtorprplfk3591...your intelligence, humor, and good writing skills will be appreciated just as much. A rose by any other name...

Good Luck to you!

 

[carking1]

zyl, you are indeed a gentleman, and deserve to be treated as such. I think I speak for the majority of the members when I say it is our loss not having you on the forums. You are bright and insightful beyond your years, and it has been a pleasure bantering back and forth with you. You are attractive, indeed, but that is only a small portion of what makes up zyl. You have a lot to offer and I think that your future is bright. We all wish you luck and pray that, from time to time, you might just say hi, either in a post or a pm. Feel free to address me anytime, and you will be treated with dignity. Good luck to you, my freind.