Desperate Robert

[mikeyank]

Well I'm still out on the postings before a scene issue and all the proof I have is that big favourites like Diesal, Logan and others around that time and those from Broke Straight Boys 2 (which I wasn't around for) didn't post and it certainly didnt affect their popularity.. I'm not saying that they shouldn't post and it's good to see the likes of Paul, Graham and Flint getting involved BUT they have to realise that posting in this section of the site where members are reviewing their performance, can be a rough ride, as not all members like all shoots. Members should be allowed to remain free to post their usual positive or negative remarks within these scene critique threads and not feel throttled in their views just because the actual performers are joining in with the comments. Hope this comes across okay.

I do like Robert a lot and agree with you 100 per cent. Hope he comes back.

Jon, I VERY much agree with most of your post. I am obviously a huge fan of this site, based on both my consecutive time as a member and on the "obscene" number of posts that I have accumulated, and I love having this forum as a place that I can offer my honest, unfiltered thoughts about gay sex, and the models who appear here. However when the models join us on the forum, it does create a dichotomy for me, as I know that they will be reading my comments, and it is rude and can be nasty to tell a person to their "face" that I find them unattractive, or uninteresting or a poor performer.

Of course this is not a problem when I thoroughly enjoy one of the guys, and want to heap praise on them, as I love to "gush" over my favorites that turn me on and I enjoy reading their responses to me as a big fan. My favorites who've participated over the years on the forum include Tyler, Mike Robbins, Logan, Jimmy Johnson, and now Graham and Paul. And there are others who are good looking and fun to play with here who may not be "10"s on my scale but who I also find attractive and enjoy communicating with.

However it gets very tricky when I find a model physically unappealing to me, and he participates here. For example if our latest solo model that this thread is about, "Desperate Robert" were to post on the forum, I would be totally inhibited from expressing my honest feelings.

So while I love it when Mark gets the guys to join us here, it also makes me very uncomfortable when I read harsh criticism and know that these are usually 18-22 year old kids, who have never done anything like this before, and then read people calling them unattractive or boring.

I do want the models to continue to join us here, but it can also create some very cringe worthy moments, and I don't know what the answer is. My solution is if I know in advance that a guy is on the forum, and I find him unattractive, I will usually say nothing about his looks and either not comment on his scenes or avoid discussing my honest thoughts, but then that waters down my fun on the forum, as I cannot be as honest as I usually try to be.

 

[tampa24]

Well I'm still out on the postings before a scene issue and all the proof I have is that big favourites like Diesal, Logan and others around that time and those from Broke Straight Boys 2 (which I wasn't around for) didn't post and it certainly didnt affect their popularity.. I'm not saying that they shouldn't post and it's good to see the likes of Paul, Graham and Flint getting involved BUT they have to realise that posting in this section of the site where members are reviewing their performance, can be a rough ride, as not all members like all shoots. Members should be allowed to remain free to post their usual positive or negative remarks within these scene critique threads and not feel throttled in their views just because the actual performers are joining in with the comments. Hope this comes across okay.

I do like Robert a lot and agree with you 100 per cent. Hope he comes back.

I love having this forum as a place that I can offer my honest, unfiltered thoughts about gay sex, and the models who appear here. However when the models join us on the forum, it does create a dichotomy for me, as I know that they will be reading my comments, and it is rude and can be nasty to tell a person to their "face" that I find them unattractive, or uninteresting or a poor performer.

Of course this is not a problem when I thoroughly enjoy one of the guys, and want to heap praise on them, as I love to "gush" over my favorites that turn me on and I enjoy reading their responses to me as a big fan. However it gets very tricky when I find a model physically unappealing to me, and he participates here. For example if our latest solo model that this thread is about, "Desperate Robert" were to post on the forum, I would be totally inhibited from expressing my honest feelings.

So while I love it when Mark gets the guys to join us here, it also makes me very uncomfortable when I read harsh criticism and know that these are usually 18-22 year old kids, who have never done anything like this before, and then read people calling them unattractive or boring.

I do want the models to continue to join us here, but it can also create some very cringe worthy moments, and I don't know what the answer is. My solution is if I know in advance that a guy is on the forum, and I find him unattractive, I will usually say nothing about his looks and either not comment on his scenes or avoid discussing my honest thoughts, but then that waters down my fun on the forum, as I cannot be as honest as I usually try to be.

You said that very well Jon. Thank you for stating that so eloquently.

Mikey,

I obviously agree with you totally. It's wonderful to have the all the models posting here that we do have. I love to be able to gush over and cyber-flirt with some of my favorite models practically in real-time. It's a double-edged sword though when a scene or model is not to our personal liking or standards. In those cases we feel we must either not post or censor ourselves in some way. That in itself does hinder our free speech and dampens the forum experience for us. There's no easy answer or one-size-fits-all solution to this dilemma. It's up to all of us on a case by case basis to decide how we will respond...if at all.

 

[Blue011]

You Want Your Cake And You Want To Eat It Too

After reading Jon's, Mike Yank's and now Tampa's posts, I have to say that you guys want to have your cake and you want to eat it too. It is maybe easier for me to say this because I have never accepted the dictum that this forum is some special place where you can say or do anything you want.

There is no place like that.

There can be a place where adults can freely discuss anything they want; but, there have to be limits (probably self imposed) which may restrict some from posting something they may want to. First, there is the basic law. The criminal laws of the United States and the civil laws regarding defamation apply even though some here seem to think that they are immune to them. The likelihood of a criminal prosecution or a civil lawsuit may be low; but, they are not impossible. There are too many Assistant United States Attorneys in places like Georgia or Texas or Oklahoma or the Northern District of Florida, who want to run for Congress and prosecuting a bunch of older guys for lusting after young boys can not be discounted. If anyone were indicted, it would quickly become a real pain in the ass for you no matter where you reside (including outside of the United States).

I am not saying that this WILL happen; just that it is possible that it could given the current legal climate and how intolerant certain portions of the country are. Broke Straight Boys is a brand which I am sure has hit the radar screens many times of the religious right/conservative blogosphere. If you are a lawyer and want to gain prominence in these circles, it is a way for them to find their niche.

Even among the more tolerant, we have had some posts that treat the models like an object and not a person. Some feel because a model has chosen to work for any adult site, this means that they can do anything they want with them. It really is not so much a sexual thing as a power thing. Because the word "Boy" is included in the name of this site, this is going to be trouble for some human rights activists.

So, please remember the statement by Chief Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes more than a hundred years ago that the 1st Amendment does not permit an individual to cry fire in a crowded theater.

Finally, there is, as all three of you have noted, an inherent tension between the desire to have the models participate in this forum and the ability to make any comment you want about them any way you want. There have been occasions when the criticism has been extremely personal towards the models and full of all sort of prejudice. Some folks believe in a view that allows some to act up. To go to the extreme because they want to. I, personally, will not go this route. I try to remember that everyone is a human being and is entitled to basic fairness. You can be critical without attacking the basic idea that we are dealing with another person.

There is also the question of the attitude of arrogance which tells some that they can do whatever they want to anyone they want. If you follow this notion to its logical end, there can be lots of trouble.

I too want a place where people can agree or disagree on what they are saying and seeing. But, the very nature of this site is such that a poster must remember that no one is any longer anonymous any more on the internet no matter how many aliases you use and how many servers you go through.

This is a matter of self protection for yourself and promoting a bit of common courtesy and decency toward another human being.

 

[joninliverton]

Thanks Mike, Tampa and Blu for your responses. I see your worries Mike but let's compare Robert's thread (yes this one) with that of Flint and Graham's duo. Robert hit us like a ton of bricks because he was a total newbie and, unlike some newbies which have appeared on BTS, Robert did not have this comfort zone. Does this give people the right to call him the way they have just because he has not appeared on the forum or in front of the camera before ?

The Graham and Flint scene was hyped up a few weeks before it was scheduled. Both models have around 150-200 posts before this scene and have their own threads where, rightly or wrongly, people have warmed to them. Roll the movie and come on let's be honest it wasn't the best duo we've ever seen, but apart from myself and maybe 2 others, everyone else thought it was a good and some a great scene.

Good publicity causes bias and no publicity can cause mayhem.

 

[mikeyank]

Thanks Mike, Tampa and Blu for your responses. I see your worries Mike but let's compare Robert's thread (yes this one) with that of Flint and Graham's duo. Robert hit us like a ton of bricks because he was a total newbie and, unlike some newbies which have appeared on BTS, Robert did not have this comfort zone. Does this give people the right to call him the way they have just because he has not appeared on the forum or in front of the camera before ?

The Graham and Flint scene was hyped up a few weeks before it was scheduled. Both models have around 150-200 posts before this scene and have their own threads where, rightly or wrongly, people have warmed to them. Roll the movie and come on let's be honest it wasn't the best duo we've ever seen, but apart from myself and maybe 2 others, everyone else thought it was a good and some a great scene.

Good publicity causes bias and no publicity can cause mayhem.

Jon, I agree with part of your theory, but certainly not all of it.

Yes Graham and Flint both built up a fan base on the forum, before they were ever seen naked, between their scenes being released, and after as well. As a result, many of us feel a kinship with them both, and I'm sure our comments regarding their scenes are composed with this in mind, so I suppose they do get a bit of a break.

But, we have loved and gushed over newbies from their first solo, who never participated on the forum, with guys such as Dan White or even Paul, Johnny and Damien well before they ever posted on the forum.

I do not believe in any way that Robert's lack of popularity is based on his not being on the forum. If the "masses" thought he was hot, they would have said so.

 

[tampa24]

After reading Jon's, Mike Yank's and now Tampa's posts, I have to say that you guys want to have your cake and you want to eat it too. It is maybe easier for me to say this because I have never accepted the dictum that this forum is some special place where you can say or do anything you want.

Well Blue,

I don't agree with your entire premise there. Since your premise doesn't apply to me I don't feel the need to defend myself against it. There have been some doozies of ad hominem attacks against models, staff (and even other forumites) in the past from a very small minority of people who felt the had the God-given right to say whatever the heck they wanted about anyone or anything. Then there are those in the majority who try to calm the waters after such outbursts.

 

[tampa24]

There have been occasions when the criticism has been extremely personal towards the models and full of all sort of prejudice. Some folks believe in a view that allows some to act up. To go to the extreme because they want to. I, personally, will not go this route. I try to remember that everyone is a human being and is entitled to basic fairness. You can be critical without attacking the basic idea that we are dealing with another person.

There is also the question of the attitude of arrogance which tells some that they can do whatever they want to anyone they want. If you follow this notion to its logical end, there can be lots of trouble.This is a matter of self protection for yourself and promoting a bit of common courtesy and decency toward another human being.

On that much I agree with you Blue.

 

[tim114114]

My feelings exactly!

It sure did seem like this boy was under the influence of something.

I don't know if it's just my hearing, but did the sound quality suck even more this time? I wear earbuds , had the volume all the way up and I still had trouble making out what was being said. A garage will never be a good studio until Broke Straight Boys invests in some acoustic engineering. I am getting tired of paying for something that is becoming less and less enjoyable every month. Maybe it's time for me to take a stroll.

-J

Sound quality is a problem. Should be easy enough to fix.

 

[joninliverton]

Jon, I agree with part of your theory, but certainly not all of it.

Yes Graham and Flint both built up a fan base on the forum, before they were ever seen naked, between their scenes being released, and after as well. As a result, many of us feel a kinship with them both, and I'm sure our comments regarding their scenes are composed with this in mind, so I suppose they do get a bit of a break.

But, we have loved and gushed over newbies from their first solo, who never participated on the forum, with guys such as Dan White or even Paul, Johnny and Damien well before they ever posted on the forum.

I do not believe in any way that Robert's lack of popularity is based on his not being on the forum. If the "masses" thought he was hot, they would have said so.

LOL Mike - this is yet another subject we will have to agree to disagree about.

 

[Blue011]

Jon Called This One Right

LOL Mike - this is yet another subject we will have to agree to disagree about.

Sorry Mike Yank, but, I do believe that Jon has called this correctly.

Advertising and Marketing are based upon the notion that you can create demand.

Graham and Flint did that very well. Robert, not so much.

And, I do not think that building anticipation is a bad thing. It can drive the initial numbers; especially the number of hits a particular scene gets.

 

[Damien Kyle]

Please Keep My Name Out Of This Form Please I Dont Want Anything To Do With This Topic....Or Subject....

 

[tangogent]

Please Keep My Name Out Of This Form Please I Dont Want Anything To Do With This Topic....Or Subject....

?Que?

x

 

[Ambivalent]

After reading Jon's, Mike Yank's and now Tampa's posts, I have to say that you guys want to have your cake and you want to eat it too. It is maybe easier for me to say this because I have never accepted the dictum that this forum is some special place where you can say or do anything you want.

There is no place like that.

There can be a place where adults can freely discuss anything they want; but, there have to be limits (probably self imposed) which may restrict some from posting something they may want to. First, there is the basic law. The criminal laws of the United States and the civil laws regarding defamation apply even though some here seem to think that they are immune to them. The likelihood of a criminal prosecution or a civil lawsuit may be low; but, they are not impossible. There are too many Assistant United States Attorneys in places like Georgia or Texas or Oklahoma or the Northern District of Florida, who want to run for Congress and prosecuting a bunch of older guys for lusting after young boys can not be discounted. If anyone were indicted, it would quickly become a real pain in the ass for you no matter where you reside (including outside of the United States).

I am not saying that this WILL happen; just that it is possible that it could given the current legal climate and how intolerant certain portions of the country are. Broke Straight Boys is a brand which I am sure has hit the radar screens many times of the religious right/conservative blogosphere. If you are a lawyer and want to gain prominence in these circles, it is a way for them to find their niche.

Even among the more tolerant, we have had some posts that treat the models like an object and not a person. Some feel because a model has chosen to work for any adult site, this means that they can do anything they want with them. It really is not so much a sexual thing as a power thing. Because the word "Boy" is included in the name of this site, this is going to be trouble for some human rights activists.

So, please remember the statement by Chief Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes more than a hundred years ago that the 1st Amendment does not permit an individual to cry fire in a crowded theater.

Finally, there is, as all three of you have noted, an inherent tension between the desire to have the models participate in this forum and the ability to make any comment you want about them any way you want. There have been occasions when the criticism has been extremely personal towards the models and full of all sort of prejudice. Some folks believe in a view that allows some to act up. To go to the extreme because they want to. I, personally, will not go this route. I try to remember that everyone is a human being and is entitled to basic fairness. You can be critical without attacking the basic idea that we are dealing with another person.

There is also the question of the attitude of arrogance which tells some that they can do whatever they want to anyone they want. If you follow this notion to its logical end, there can be lots of trouble.

I too want a place where people can agree or disagree on what they are saying and seeing. But, the very nature of this site is such that a poster must remember that no one is any longer anonymous any more on the internet no matter how many aliases you use and how many servers you go through.

This is a matter of self protection for yourself and promoting a bit of common courtesy and decency toward another human being.

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Hey, Blue,

While I am not sure that I agree with all of your legal analysis (though I am not a student of American jurisprudence, with respect to free speech, or anything else ~ just a casual observer): I do appreciate the things you have to say about kindness, and courtesy.

"A" XOXOXOXO

 

[Ambivalent]

You said that very well Jon. Thank you for stating that so eloquently.

Mikey,

I obviously agree with you totally. It's wonderful to have the all the models posting here that we do have. I love to be able to gush over and cyber-flirt with some of my favorite models practically in real-time. It's a double-edged sword though when a scene or model is not to our personal liking or standards. In those cases we feel we must either not post or censor ourselves in some way. That in itself does hinder our free speech and dampens the forum experience for us. There's no easy answer or one-size-fits-all solution to this dilemma. It's up to all of us on a case by case basis to decide how we will respond...if at all.

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Hey, wondrous Tampa -

I think you're exactly right, that what we post (and about whom) is something each of us must decide, on a case-by-case basis. I know that everyone will handle this a little differently ~ and I really do enjoy hearing about how other members perceive (and receive) the latest new scenes!

For me, the equation is pretty simple. Though I can't claim to always follow my own advice on this, unfailingly (I am sure that people who are assiduous researchers could dig up SCADS of examples, to the contrary) I usually try to do THIS:

If a model or a scene appeals to me moderately, greatly, or INCREDIBLY - I try to rate it, and comment on the board, accordingly. If a model or a scene doesn't appeal to me at ALL, I usually try to pass that video by ~ knowing that the next bus is arriving (as it were) very shortly! LOL! And I suppose, if a model or a scene truly caused me WORRY - in terms of the general quality of the site - while I might say a word or two on here, I would mostly choose to write the management, directly, and in private.

As for me, I think that sort of approach generally works. (Even though I may not have followed it perfectly, always.) The management on Broke Straight Boys is quite attentive, and responsive (they brought Mr. JASON back, after so many of us begged and pleaded, for so long - and that was a stunning success: thank you JASON, and thank you, PAUL): and I kinda sorta trust them to "get the hint" ~ if hundreds of fans are praising a model or a scene to highest heaven. . . it's in their interest to offer more, of those models, or kinds of scenes. On the other hand, if a model or a scene makes everyone hear "crickets" ~ it's, for sure, a cue that people aren't that into it. And I think Mark and Clay and Sha can read those sorts of cues ~ and regularly, do.

I will say, though, I do agree with "Blue", that the price of the exquisite luxury we have, of talking to the models on the board, sometimes, IS a little self-restraint, self-censorship (Yes! I used that awful word!), and kindness.

Maybe I'm a little over-sensitive about all this, because I have a couple of friends who USED to do this sort of modelling. One of them (who is supremely gorgeous, BTW) used to do appearances, regularly, on "Flirt-for-Free", very late at night. . . and he used to plead with me, "A - please come along and just HANG OUT with me" ~ because it was such a lonely, and terrifying experience for him, in many ways. People would show up, at 3:00 a.m., and say: "You're ugly! You're too SKINNY! Pull that DICK OUT, faggot!" And stuff like that. So, I would set my alarm for 3:00 a.m., just sit in chat, and fend off bastards of that sort, with sundry gentle witticisms.

Now, it is absolutely true that nastiness of that sorry rank, and style, very seldom happens, HERE - which is one of the many reasons I love Broke Straight Boys! However, I would say, to anyone who'd care to listen - putting one's body, sexuality, and PASSIONS on display, for all the world to see, is not a choice that's purely commercial, in its entirety: it's existential, too. And to hear others being criticized because of their looks, or the way they perform in bed, or the way they EMOTE and respond to partners - - - is a little bit discomfiting, for me. As I've been criticized for ALL these things, at one time, or another.

I think, in fact, it takes tremendous courage ever to appear on a site like Broke Straight Boys; and so, I think we owe the models - perhaps, especially, the models we don't care for, personally - a little kindness, and respect. Because, sure, they need money (and who, but the wealthiest of us, doesn't???) - - - but they are taking a tremendous "flier", putting their whole damned SELVES upon display - for the whole damned world ~ including their Moms, and Dads, and girlfriends (or boyfriends) ~ to see, and JUDGE.

I don't mean for any thoughts of mine to have a chilling effect upon the board, or upon people's legitimate aesthetic ruminations. But, just like "Blue", I think it's important that civility prevails: else, we OURSELVES will put a chill upon RECRUITMENT. EVERY kid who doffs his underwear, on here, to make the day a little pleasanter, for us, is both filled with conflicted emotions, and well-aware that he is taking a HUGE RISK, in terms of self-esteem; the judgement of family, and friends; and perhaps his future.

I think the least that we can do is be as kind and welcoming as we can be, to every model who shows up here - whether he is our "cup of tea", or not. We owe them ALL a lot of thanks, for daring, and caring, enough about us, to share a few of their most personal moments.

"A" XOXOXOXOXOXOXO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_etU9MED4k

P.S. Here is my challenge, to every member here - - - If you ever got bullied or beaten up, as a kid; if you ever got turned down and rejected because someone told you that you were too fat, or too skinny, or too effeminate, or too butch, and not "gay enough" ~ please take a little time, this month, to tell one of the Broke Straight Boys models - maybe one you've never written to, before - how thankful you are, for what HE has done, for YOU!!! XOXOXOXOXOXO

I think, the very BEST thing about this board is - we are all in a VERY privileged position, to give back a little LOVE. I hope we will make the most of it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlR0KElxxVg

P.P.S. Jesu Christe, I'm getting to be such a HIPPIE, in my old age! I'd better go have a coffee, curb my enthusiasm, and just chill out!!! But, I'll tell ya, if my boyfriend weren't in the picture, I'd take "Desperate Robert" out for a latte, any day!!!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75Q1dmlPd80

 

[tampa24]

I don't mean for any thoughts of mine to have a chilling effect upon the board, or upon people's legitimate aesthetic ruminations. But, just like "Blue", I think it's important that civility prevails: else, we OURSELVES will put a chill upon RECRUITMENT. EVERY kid who doffs his underwear, on here, to make the day a little pleasanter, for us, is both filled with conflicted emotions, and well-aware that he is taking a HUGE RISK, in terms of self-esteem; the judgement of family, and friends; and perhaps his future.

I think the least that we can do is be as kind and welcoming as we can be, to every model who shows up here - whether he is our "cup of tea", or not. We owe them ALL a lot of thanks, for daring, and caring, enough about us, to share a few of their most personal moments.

"A" XOXOXOXOXOXOXO
P.S. Here is my challenge, to every member here - - - If you ever got bullied or beaten up, as a kid; if you ever got turned down and rejected because someone told you that you were too fat, or too skinny, or too effeminate, or too butch, and not "gay enough" ~ please take a little time, this month, to tell one of the Broke Straight Boys models - maybe one you've never written to, before - how thankful you are, for what HE has done, for YOU!!! XOXOXOXOXOXO

I think, the very BEST thing about this board is - we are all in a VERY privileged position, to give back a little LOVE. I hope we will make the most of it!

Words of wisdom Ambi. Thank you very much.

 

[Toby21]

Well this thread certainly headed off in a very different direction than the subject now implies. I’ve just spent the past hour or so reading over all the posts here. First off, I’d like to point out that although Robert hasn’t been seen around the forum, I don’t think any of the posts in this thread are anything that he couldn’t read. There were negative comments about him and the type of model he represents, but nothing ever got out of line or derogatory (at least not by my opinion).

So those arguing that when they know the model might read their comments hold back from saying what they really want – did you not get to air your sentiments? If you feel that you did get to make your thoughts known, well then great. While I understand the argument that you are paying for your membership, I’ve never thought that makes it OK to treat people poorly. I’ve often had to call customer service for some issue with a purchase, and while I have certainly felt VERY frustrated with some company representatives, I always remind myself that the person I’m talking to is only doing a job too and try not to get aggravated at them.

The same holds true here, and I think some very serious points have been made that Mark and others need to take a hard look at. That said, I still think nothing in this thread has been disrespectful or hurtful to anyone. As consumers you’ve just stated your right to complain about a product. For those that didn’t appreciate Mike, did you feel you needed to be harsher with your words? I think you did a fairly good job of getting your point across, both with your opinions and facts to back them up.

I’ve been around plenty of places online where people were outright rude and mean to other members. If that started here, I’d probably try to not read those posts, and if it persisted I’m sure I would just leave the forum all together. I know many of you have been around the forum for yonks, and maybe some people did do this in the past. I for one think it’s better that you’ve come together as a community. That’s part of what made me want to be part of that community.

I find a lot of the same guys attractive that many of you mentioned, but I also enjoyed Robert’s scene. He was certainly different than the typical cute young thing, but that didn’t mean there weren’t people that didn’t enjoy him. Whether he was high or not didn’t matter to me, his attitude just seemed to be “street trade” looking to make a quick buck – and that can be hot too.

I don’t expect every guy on the site to be to my taste, and has been pointed out, some of the models like Robert don’t score very high on the points scale. That doesn’t mean that other members don’t appreciate those scenes. I guess it’s up to Mark to decide how frequently to mix in those type of models. It is a service, and you do have a right to get what you paid for. Some mentioned that they don’t really look around other sites, so let me just add that for the price, Broke Straight Boys does provide 3 weekly updates and recently has also been providing a lot of extra content. To get that same amount of content elsewhere you’d probably be paying sometimes twice as much. I do think Broke Straight Boys provides good value for content. The good thing is that here you pretty much have a direct line to make a complaint to the owner and producers. I can’t tell you how frustrated I was that another site I was a member with for a short time had no way for me to even submit a request to see more of my favorite model. I quickly left the site because of that. By all means, complain if you don’t think you are getting your money’s worth, but take a moment to realize how good you might have it too before you write something that could offend.

And, I’ll close by reiterating that I don’t see any issues with any of the comments in this thread, so I hope people felt they could get their feelings off their chest without worrying that Robert was going to read them. But, if he did, there’s nothing there to upset him terribly either.

Hope I didn't offend anyone. ;-)

Toby

 

[mikeyank]

Well this thread certainly headed off in a very different direction than the subject now implies. I’ve just spent the past hour or so reading over all the posts here. First off, I’d like to point out that although Robert hasn’t been seen around the forum, I don’t think any of the posts in this thread are anything that he couldn’t read. There were negative comments about him and the type of model he represents, but nothing ever got out of line or derogatory (at least not by my opinion).

So those arguing that when they know the model might read their comments hold back from saying what they really want – did you not get to air your sentiments? If you feel that you did get to make your thoughts known, well then great. While I understand the argument that you are paying for your membership, I’ve never thought that makes it OK to treat people poorly. I’ve often had to call customer service for some issue with a purchase, and while I have certainly felt VERY frustrated with some company representatives, I always remind myself that the person I’m talking to is only doing a job too and try not to get aggravated at them.

The same holds true here, and I think some very serious points have been made that Mark and others need to take a hard look at. That said, I still think nothing in this thread has been disrespectful or hurtful to anyone. As consumers you’ve just stated your right to complain about a product. For those that didn’t appreciate Mike, did you feel you needed to be harsher with your words? I think you did a fairly good job of getting your point across, both with your opinions and facts to back them up.

I’ve been around plenty of places online where people were outright rude and mean to other members. If that started here, I’d probably try to not read those posts, and if it persisted I’m sure I would just leave the forum all together. I know many of you have been around the forum for yonks, and maybe some people did do this in the past. I for one think it’s better that you’ve come together as a community. That’s part of what made me want to be part of that community.

I find a lot of the same guys attractive that many of you mentioned, but I also enjoyed Robert’s scene. He was certainly different than the typical cute young thing, but that didn’t mean there weren’t people that didn’t enjoy him. Whether he was high or not didn’t matter to me, his attitude just seemed to be “street trade” looking to make a quick buck – and that can be hot too.

I don’t expect every guy on the site to be to my taste, and has been pointed out, some of the models like Robert don’t score very high on the points scale. That doesn’t mean that other members don’t appreciate those scenes. I guess it’s up to Mark to decide how frequently to mix in those type of models. It is a service, and you do have a right to get what you paid for. Some mentioned that they don’t really look around other sites, so let me just add that for the price, Broke Straight Boys does provide 3 weekly updates and recently has also been providing a lot of extra content. To get that same amount of content elsewhere you’d probably be paying sometimes twice as much. I do think Broke Straight Boys provides good value for content. The good thing is that here you pretty much have a direct line to make a complaint to the owner and producers. I can’t tell you how frustrated I was that another site I was a member with for a short time had no way for me to even submit a request to see more of my favorite model. I quickly left the site because of that. By all means, complain if you don’t think you are getting your money’s worth, but take a moment to realize how good you might have it too before you write something that could offend.

And, I’ll close by reiterating that I don’t see any issues with any of the comments in this thread, so I hope people felt they could get their feelings off their chest without worrying that Robert was going to read them. But, if he did, there’s nothing there to upset him terribly either.

Hope I didn't offend anyone. ;-)

Toby

Thanks Toby for your thoughtful post, and as I was one of the more vocal folks on this thread, I'm also glad that you don't feel that anything said here was "over the line". It is easy to write about a model or a scene that I really enjoy, however when I am not pleased, there is a delicate balance between being truthful and being rude. I basically agree with all of your comments Toby.

 

[Damien Kyle]

I Don't Even No What To Say For This Model....SMH