Changing Times.....or Preference?

[mikeyank]

Enjoy your day and the game.

Thank you and good luck to Nick Swisher and the Indians too!!!!

 

[rafe59]

OH My...Such confused men on here......Yankee's, The Tribe....NO NO NO.....It's " GO ORIOLES"......LOLOLOL

 

[mikeyank]

OH My...Such confused men on here......Yankee's, The Tribe....NO NO NO.....It's " GO ORIOLES"......LOLOLOL

As much as I respect your choice of preference Rafe, there is no way I can wish the Orioles good luck, as long as they are in first place ahead of my beloved Bronx bombers, but I do respect your organization and especially your manager Buck Showalter!!!!

 

[rafe59]

As much as I respect your choice of preference Rafe, there is no way I can wish the Orioles good luck, as long as they are in first place ahead of my beloved Bronx bombers, but I do respect your organization and especially your manager Buck Showalter!!!!

I understand Completely Mike... We are just dedicated to our teams....And I do agree with You on Buck....great manager in my mind.....Old school type if you will....I used to listen to the Birds on my dads marine band radio back in the 60's...we would sit at the kitchen table and listen to the games....Boog powell, the Robinson's, Jim palmer.....They were some great times.....You have Tons of fun today....

 

[joninliverton]

PS.
I know I will probably get in trouble for my response to Johnliverton. I usually do, let the pms begin!!
But I do feel that I should be able to say what I want whether he likes it or not. 'nuff said.

You can say what you want LP, I'm not bothered. But don't get worried or paranoid about PMs, I rarely use them.

 

[betudidntknow]

I have really appreciated reading the various comments to this post and the varied opinions. I would like to make clear, that because of the whole "Jake situation", it brought to mind the "Climate" of the forum when I first joined. This thread really is not about "him". When I first started participating on the forum, there were instances when, a model would appear on another site after having done Broke Straight Boys Once they were spotted else where, the general attitude among a good number of members was, they no longer fit the Broke Straight Boys "motif". Now, I also stated that, if a model left and remained in good standing how would people feel,should that model return. The dynamic of members participating on the forum has also changed. Many who were here at the beginning of Broke Straight Boys are gone (although if you look at the "join date" you will see a handful remain). The general feeling among the members now, is slightly different from when I joined is all. People seem, (and I do also) to think that, as long as it's not done to be deceptive, it's not that important what they've been doing. Maybe, "Don't Ask, Don't Tell"????? So, thanks for the input....to all.

 

[betudidntknow]

I have read your your posts and really wish I could get back the time that I wasted doing so

I am not concerned with the little white lies, what I have a problem with is the BIG lies (shooting videos for other sites and saying you have never done anything with a guy). I do not blame site management for this but it does tend to influence my opinion of the model who has told the lie.

I live in a country that has free speech as one if its rights and I will continue to voice my opinion on matters that I choose too for as long as I can whether others agree with me or not. You may disagree and that is your right but do not try to silence or smother my opinions with yours.

I appreciated you thoughts on the topic!

 

[betudidntknow]

I have not read the original post because he is blocked. Can we not just forget about this instance ffs. How many threads do we need for the same darn subject.

Which is unfortunate as, this thread is not about "Jake"! There are two threads to that effect already. This thread never mentions a model by name.....

 

[louis33705]

Since this thread somehow turned to baseball, I found another 2 cents to throw into the pot. GO BUCS!!!!! (Oops! That's football. Sorry, be back later.) Sometimes I can't tell one ball from another. lol

 

[mikeyank]

Since this thread somehow turned to baseball, I found another 2 cents to throw into the pot. GO BUCS!!!!! (Oops! That's football. Sorry, be back later.) Sometimes I can't tell one ball from another. lol

You do have your Tampa Bay Rays to follow if you'd like a baseball team to follow, Louis. They are actually on an incredibly hot streak right now, and seem to have "risen from the dead" back into the pennant and wild card races. And your Bucs will be back at the end of next month. And speaking of baseball, I got back home a little while ago from my day at Yankee Stadium. I had a great time on a beautiful day, with a dear old friend and a new business associate friend and her friends too. The Yanks hit two homeruns, the Stadium looked beautiful filled to capacity, but alas there is no joy in Mudville as the Yanks lost to Toronto today.

But tomorrow is another day!!!

 

[tampa24]

My Rays lost their game today too. But they had a 9 game winning streak. So I'm thrilled about that. lol

 

[louis33705]

You do have your Tampa Bay Rays to follow if you'd like a baseball team to follow, Louis. They are actually on an incredibly hot streak right now, and seem to have "risen from the dead" back into the pennant and wild card races. And your Bucs will be back at the end of next month. And speaking of baseball, I got back home a little while ago from my day at Yankee Stadium. I had a great time on a beautiful day, with a dear old friend and a new business associate friend and her friends too. The Yanks hit two homeruns, the Stadium looked beautiful filled to capacity, but alas there is no joy in Mudville as the Yanks lost to Toronto today.

But tomorrow is another day!!!

Yes, Mike. I do follow the Rays as well as the Yankees. However, before the Rays came to be I used to follow the St. Louis Cardinals who had their spring training in St. Petersburg. I took my kids while they were growing up to many of their games.

 

[mikeyank]

Yes, Mike. I do follow the Rays as well as the Yankees. However, before the Rays came to be I used to follow the St. Louis Cardinals who had their spring training in St. Petersburg. I took my kids while they were growing up to many of their games.

I was in St Petersburg in April 2012 to see the opening series between the Yanks and Tampa Bay, and that is when I met our own Tampa24 at Tropicana Field before the game, but while there my friend and I drove past Al Lang Field, the old spring training home of the Yankees, (before my time) and Cardinals, and later the Mets after the Yanks left for Fort Lauderdale. It is a quaint old ball park and has seen some of the mega stars of baseball for the last century pass through during spring training.

 

[louis33705]

I was in St Petersburg in April 2012 to see the opening series between the Yanks and Tampa Bay, and that is when I met our own Tampa24 at Tropicana Field before the game, but while there my friend and I drove past Al Lang Field, the old spring training home of the Yankees, (before my time) and Cardinals, and later the Mets after the Yanks left for Fort Lauderdale. It is a quaint old ball park and has seen some of the mega stars of baseball for the last century pass through during spring training.

Damn, you were in my old neighborhood and I didn't know it.

 

[louis33705]

I have really appreciated reading the various comments to this post and the varied opinions. I would like to make clear, that because of the whole "Jake situation", it brought to mind the "Climate" of the forum when I first joined. This thread really is not about "him". When I first started participating on the forum, there were instances when, a model would appear on another site after having done Broke Straight Boys Once they were spotted else where, the general attitude among a good number of members was, they no longer fit the Broke Straight Boys "motif". Now, I also stated that, if a model left and remained in good standing how would people feel,should that model return. The dynamic of members participating on the forum has also changed. Many who were here at the beginning of Broke Straight Boys are gone (although if you look at the "join date" you will see a handful remain). The general feeling among the members now, is slightly different from when I joined is all. People seem, (and I do also) to think that, as long as it's not done to be deceptive, it's not that important what they've been doing. Maybe, "Don't Ask, Don't Tell"????? So, thanks for the input....to all.

Here is a good example of being up front. I did not view the scene, but the description was very honest.

http://members.brokestraightboys.com/play/NzE=/mauricio

 

[Ambivalent]

I became real curious about something with the recent situation of a model who was introduced as being a first timer (so to speak) and later finding that they've done extensive work in the industry.

When I first became active on the forum, I got the impression that, models were picked who were "fresh, new faces" with no experience, or admitted little experience either with "guy guy" sex, or work in porn. That seems to be the case for the most part among the models presented over the past year or so.

Because the forum allows it's members voices to be heard and their opinions are instrumental in how the site makes every attempt to give the members what seem to impact their viewing pleasure, I must ask a question or two.

Are times changing or is it a matter of preference among the members? If there is a "shortage of models" available to provide the "fresh innocence" that is enjoyed, what happens when a model who is among "The Boys" list leaves for a period of time (for whatever reason) but, remains in good standing with the site managers. Continues to work in the industry without becoming an "Exclusive" model for another site. They continue to need the money (cause they are still broke) but, is available to do scenes on Broke Straight Boys Does it depend on the model?

While some may feel that, if a model is doing work on other sites, they are no longer "Straight" I personally opine that is more of an "individually based" thing. I have seen models who are in the "Broke Straight Boys Boys Listing" who continue to appear sporadically in scenes featured on other porn sites but, continue to proclaim their "broke straight" status. While some have changed their status but, because of educational pursuits, still are "broke".

Does it depend on the model? Does it depend on their "presentation?" By that I mean, they don't try to sell themselves as something or someone that can easily be researched or discovered on the internet?

This is a very general question based on my observations. I am not talking about any models in particular except, models who have been on or have appeared in Broke Straight Boys in general but, continue to work in the industry?

I was just interested in what others think?

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Hi, Betu ~

This is a good and reasonable question, and very fairly and equably put, on your part, I think. Here is my answer:

All (or just about all) fetishes are founded upon an odd, electric, lightning-bolt that strikes one VERY EARLY in life: when one's sexual consciousness and drives are just coming to be. (MEN seem to be more susceptible to these electrical storms, than most women. . . at least on the public record. . . but I would love to hear what Beth has to say, about all this!)

For example, Betu, I had a friend who told me, "A. - when I was 11, it was a very hot day in late June, at our school - and there was no air-conditioning. I felt restless, and my legs were jiggling. The teacher said to my friend, Jack, who was wearing a short-sleeved shirt: 'Jack - go PULL OPEN that window.' Jack's desk was right next to mine. Jack reached up to pull open the window, and I saw this thick black brush of hair poke out from under his arm, which I didn't have, yet - and smelled it, too. And now I can't see a cute guy's armpit, without coming: or at least needing to go jerk off."

That's the way fetishes happen. Absolutely.

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When it comes to the "straight-guy" fetish - it is a little more complex (because it involves not just a body-part, but a whole range of emotional and psychological variables): but, I think the fundamentals are significantly the same.

Many of us grew up in times, and in communities, where the only cute boys to be had, or known, were straight guys. We had crushes on them in class; we dreamed about them in gym class; and, if we didn't explicitly envy their girlfriends, we dreamed day and night about these cute straight boys. . . and sometimes, jerked off secretly at night, thinking about them.

I had one of those myself - his name was Patrick (the captain of the basketball team) - he was 100 per cent straight, but he was my best friend in school - we sat next to each other in every class, and always took the same seat on the bus, on field-trips in high-school. (As I think I might have told Mike, some time ago - after one particularly blissful trip to the theatre, he let me fall asleep on his shoulder: and, whenever I smell his deodorant, in a drugstore - Mennen Speedstick Original - I "come".)

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However, Betu, I am sort of on the "cusp" generation. I went to high-school in the '80's, and at least in Canada, we were in sort of a "middle-place". Being gay was no longer forbidden or BAD, per se ~ but society was still figuring it OUT, and people just didn't talk about it, much. (By the time I went to university a couple of years later, people in university were FINE with gay people. . . interestingly, the LAST people to accept ME as being gay were gay people themselves. . . Most of them thought I was an errant priest-in-training: or, a narcotics officer, from the RCMP!)

I had a lot of formative experiences having crushes on straight guys. . . but that sort of petered out (Sorry, Peter! LOL!): as I discovered there were lots of cute gay guys out there who were my age, too. (Nowadays - though I am not immune to the charms of a real straight boy being seduced, for a little fun: I would say that, for me - a cute guy is a cute guy!) *I know, to say so, is sort of heresy, on Broke Straight Boys!*

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Though I might be wrong (and everyone is an individual, and generalizations are notoriously fallible, and silly): I think the strongest and most INTENSE straight-guy fetishes are frequently reserved to guys a little older than I am (I am 48): who mostly grew up in a time when, even if a cute guy WERE gay - he was never going to ADMIT it. I appreciate this, because - if all one's crushes, and formative blissful experiences, involved straight guys: how could one ever feel, otherwise???


I think, however (with no disrespect to anyone): the "straight-guy" fetish is gradually waning, amongst people who are YOUNGER than I am: because they have grown up in a more tolerant atmosphere, where a guy is cute if he's cute - and even straight guys don't get offended if you hit on them. . . they're just flattered!!! (And so are their girlfriends!!!)

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Betu, like all fetishes, I believe the fetish for straight-guys is totally culturally and circumstantially conditioned. I have found that it has virtually no sway amongst European gay audiences - where even men in their 70's and 80's yearn for their favourite models to be gay. . . and, in fact, are quite ANGRY with them, if they aren't!

Because, tolerance for gay relationships has been such a fait accompli on the Continent of Europe for so long. . . any gay who is straight and RELUCTANT is seen less as tantalizing, and more as - simply - FRUSTRATING!


Also, the younger the audience - even in the "Red States" of the U.S.A. - the less they care about whether the models they like are intrinsically straight, or gay, or somewhere in between. Because younger people have been raised in a completely different environment, than I was.

Because I grew up, sort of on the "cusp" of this great era of social change, I feel a little sympathy for BOTH sides. And, of course, gay guys are never going to STOP getting crushes on cute straight guys - because, they're CUTE!!!

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As far as models who are "forgiven" for not fitting the "straight-guy" fetish or fantasy - no kidding, Betu: it's absolutely an idiosyncratic and personal matter. If a guy is cute enough, and charming enough, to win someone's heart, or favour. . . . that person is never going to forget him, or wish him away, no matter WHAT ;-)

There are no RULES, about this, Betu, and no general "laws" that one might deduce, or apply. It's as simple as this: people like (and love) the people they like, and love. And all the rationalizations, and explanations come later. And are entirely superfluous, non sequiturs ;-) (For, as Woody Allen famously declared, "The heart wants, what it wants.")

That's my take, anyway ;-)

"A" XOXOXOXOXOXOXO

*Dmitri Shostakovich ~ "Waltz #2": ~ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmCnQDUSO4I

 

[tampa24]

Though I might be wrong (and everyone is an individual, and generalizations are notoriously fallible, and silly): I think the strongest and most INTENSE straight-guy fetishes are frequently reserved to guys a little older than I am (I am 48): who mostly grew up in a time when, even if a cute guy WERE gay - he was never going to ADMIT it. I appreciate this, because - if all one's crushes, and formative blissful experiences, involved straight guys: how could one ever feel, otherwise???


I think, however (with no disrespect to anyone): the "straight-guy" fetish is gradually waning, amongst people who are YOUNGER than I am: because they have grown up in a more tolerant atmosphere, where a guy is cute if he's cute - and even straight guys don't get offended if you hit on them. . . they're just flattered!!! (And so are their girlfriends!!!)

I found this to be one of the most interesting parts of your post Ambi. The idea that that the straight guy fetish could start to wane as society becomes more tolerant of gays in general. I don't think Broke Straight Boys will have to worry about a decline in membership though. lol There is always that curiosity of how a straight guy might go about having gay sex if he absolutely had to. Plus, the forbidden fruit is still the forbidden fruit. There are so many more straight guys in the world than gay guys. Gay men of all ages are still bound to develop crushes on at least some of them.

 

[Ambivalent]

I found this to be one of the most interesting parts of your post Ambi. The idea that that the straight guy fetish could start to wane as society becomes more tolerant of gays in general. I don't think Broke Straight Boys will have to worry about a decline in membership though. lol There is always that curiosity of how a straight guy might go about having gay sex if he absolutely had to. Plus, the forbidden fruit is still the forbidden fruit. There are so many more straight guys in the world than gay guys. Gay men of all ages are still bound to develop crushes on at least some of them.

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Hey, Tampa:

Of course you're right! Because you have alluded to a couple of "structural" factors, which will ALWAYS ensure that gay guys get crushes, on straight ones: #1) The vast preponderance of the male population IS STRAIGHT, which means that MOST gay guys are going to have a crush on a straight guy, SOMETIME in their life; and, #2) The tantalizing challenge of "forbidden fruit" - which, just because it IS forbidden, will ALWAYS be coveted ;-)

Secondly, I don't think Broke Straight Boys will ever have to worry about a decline in membership - because they are always getting cute new models! And I think (whether people want to admit it or not): this is pretty much the bottom line.

What I was suggesting (and it is a serious hypothesis, though ONLY an hypothesis): is ~ That I think the fetish for specifically, solely, straight boys, will decline to a significant degree (in terms of both intensity and absolute NUMBERS) with the younger generation: millennials, and post-millennials.

Because:
*This generation is significantly more "sex-positive", than mine was.
*They grew up in a time when being gay was not seen as being aberrant, but being "normal".
*Most of them have had gay friends whom they know and LIKE. (In my generation, most kids didn't have ANY gay friends whom they KNEW, for certain, were gay.)
*Gay kids today, are much more likely to HAVE a self-acknowledged gay b/f - or even take him to the PROM - than would have been the case, in years past.
*And, there are a lot of really HOT, CUTE, guys (some very masculine, too!) out there these days, in high school and university, who are NOT AFRAID to ADMIT that they are gay. (As they would have been, in my generation.)

SO, Tampa - while a lot of gay guys of my generation had NO OPTION but to fall for (and pine for) cute straight guys in class - young people NOW, have many MORE options. I think a lot of gay kids in school, these days, will be able to FIND other gay kids (who are admittedly gay - and cute, too): to fall in love with.

So, I think the "straight-guy" fetish WILL decline (in numbers and intensity), with the younger generation. I don't think it is about to DISAPPEAR - in fact, I don't think it will EVER disappear: just for the reasons you've cited. But I think it will eventually comprehend a much smaller proportion of the American gay population, than it presently does. Just because the early, youthful, experiences of the gay population are different, from the experiences I had.

This effect, I think, is already observable in many European countries - many of which (years ago) have become less constrained by religious and social prohibitions against homosexuality, than the U.S.A. (or even Canada); and many of which have adopted tolerant laws about gay relationships and marriages, much earlier than Canada or many states in the U.S.A. This accounts, I think, for the marked difference between gay erotic sites that I have participated in, in the U.S.A., and Europe.

I don't know of a single European site, where the members would WANT the models to be straight - much less, insist on it. *Of course, I am open to correction, from European members, here!* But, in my experience, most members on European sites are CONSTANTLY HOPING their favourite models are GAY - so that they can fantasize about "having a chance, with them."

On the other hand, there are SEVERAL good American sites (really, the BEST ONES) - including this one!- which make the INITIAL heterosexuality of the models, part of the fantasy and FUN, of the site. I think that this is a CULTURAL thing (not a genetic, or constitutional factor): which stems from the fact that BEING GAY was socially unacceptable in MOST of North America, for so much longer (well. . . not in glacial terms, probably only a generation or two) than it was in (much of) Europe.

These kinds of social norms have a tremendous effect. If, as a gay adolescent, you never got to know (let alone have a CRUSH ON) another gay kid. . . but ONLY guys you thought were straight - - - OF COURSE, you're going to have a fetish for straight guys, for the rest of your life!

But, if you're a gay kid in North America, NOW - and you get to meet OTHER super-cute guys who ARE gay, and date them, or whatever. . . your first and happiest memories are going to be, of THOSE GUYS. And your fetishes will relate to whatever happened to you, WITH THEM. And you'll be LESS inclined to have a "straight-guy" fetish, because your earliest crushes and sexual bliss will have been with guys who are admittedly gay. (Because, that's where fetishes come from - one's earliest, most intense, under-the-radar, sexual feelings and experiences.)

So, to reprise: I don't think the "straight-guy fetish" will EVER be done. I think it's a constant of human nature. I just think, over the next 20-30 years, it will become less intense and less prevalent, amongst young gay men, in North America - because their early experiences (at the 'fetish-forming stage') will be different, from ours.

"A" XOXOXOXOXO

 

[betudidntknow]

Here is a good example of being up front. I did not view the scene, but the description was very honest.

http://members.brokestraightboys.com/play/NzE=/mauricio

Good find Louis! That was a very "up front and honest description"! I have seen Mauricio in scenes other than Broke Straight Boys That little intro actually made me see him differently...and in a good way! Thanks for sharing your find.

 

[another1]

Mauricio and vinny appeared together on several sites. each time one or both said that time was their first-time. at least 6 different first-times and every time it was hot. Broke Straight Boys appears to have been an early and maybe, the real first-time. I really liked Mauricio!