BTS Hanging With the Boys

[stowe1]

After I watched this BTS scene again, it struck me that I left something important out of my initial post on this thread. And that is the language and talk about women. Now I am not a prude by any stretch of the imagination. And I realize that a lot of straight young guys, and even many older ones, refer to women as "bitches". Even women who are their girlfriends, fiancees, or wives. I might not agree with it, and do not like it, but it is a fact.

However, I do draw the line at joking or advocating violence towards women. Once at the dinner table and then again afterwards while standing and talking with another model, Dakota referenced punching a woman. At the dinner table he said something like "if you punch a bitch in the nose as hard as you can and she stays with you, she's a keeper". Then after dinner when he was talking to Kaden Alexander, I believe, and he was talking about fucking he again referenced punching a bitch in the nose.

This type of language is intolerable in and of itself and Mark as head of the house should have said something at the dinner table as soon as Dakota said it. And I'm surprised that Ms. Sabrina didn't say something. Nothing can excuse this this type of behavior whether it be alcohol, male bravado, trying to impress your peers, etc. Nothing. And even though this comes under the heading of shutting the barn door after the horse has left, Dakota should be told that this type of language is not tolerable anywhere, especially on Broke Straight Boys

 

[Youngandconfused22]

I loved this bts a lot. I love watching the process of picking up the models and introducing them to everything. I also really love Sabrina and how she is like a mother to them when they are in the mansion. I would really like to know why we keep seeing Blake everywhere but he doesn't do any new scenes it seems like a waste and a big tease. Either way a 5. Love the new stable of boys.

 

[mikeyank]

After I watched this BTS scene again, it struck me that I left something important out of my initial post on this thread. And that is the language and talk about women. Now I am not a prude by any stretch of the imagination. And I realize that a lot of straight young guys, and even many older ones, refer to women as "bitches". Even women who are their girlfriends, fiancees, or wives. I might not agree with it, and do not like it, but it is a fact.

However, I do draw the line at joking or advocating violence towards women. Once at the dinner table and then again afterwards while standing and talking with another model, Dakota referenced punching a woman. At the dinner table he said something like "if you punch a bitch in the nose as hard as you can and she stays with you, she's a keeper". Then after dinner when he was talking to Kaden Alexander, I believe, and he was talking about fucking he again referenced punching a bitch in the nose.

This type of language is intolerable in and of itself and Mark as head of the house should have said something at the dinner table as soon as Dakota said it. And I'm surprised that Ms. Sabrina didn't say something. Nothing can excuse this this type of behavior whether it be alcohol, male bravado, trying to impress your peers, etc. Nothing. And even though this comes under the heading of shutting the barn door after the horse has left, Dakota should be told that this type of language is not tolerable anywhere, especially on Broke Straight Boys

I actually cringed when I was watching this BTS for the same reasons that you did Stowe. I totally understand and can appreciate youthful "male macho humor" about "bitches" and all, but the repeated references by Dakota and Kaden Alexander about punching the bitches in the face and all left me feeling uneasy too.

I usually love the inside looks at the house and the boys being themselves, but in this case Tyler was the only of the models who seemed like a chill kid, while the other two did not. Dakota's saying grace before the meal did not counteract his other cringe worthy comments. I usually come away from watching a BTS liking the models more than before, but with the exception of Tyler, I did not after watching this episode.

 

[mikeyank]

I loved this bts a lot. I love watching the process of picking up the models and introducing them to everything. I also really love Sabrina and how she is like a mother to them when they are in the mansion. I would really like to know why we keep seeing Blake everywhere but he doesn't do any new scenes it seems like a waste and a big tease. Either way a 5. Love the new stable of boys.

I agree with your comments, however you are referring to the newest BTS, (The New Boys) with Ronan Kennedy, Dimitri, Jake, Paul & Blake. This thread is about the previous one, (Outtakes: Hangin With The Boys), with Dakota, Kaden Alexander and Tyler.

 

[DChristopher]

After I watched this BTS scene again, it struck me that I left something important out of my initial post on this thread. And that is the language and talk about women. Now I am not a prude by any stretch of the imagination. And I realize that a lot of straight young guys, and even many older ones, refer to women as "bitches". Even women who are their girlfriends, fiancees, or wives. I might not agree with it, and do not like it, but it is a fact.

However, I do draw the line at joking or advocating violence towards women. Once at the dinner table and then again afterwards while standing and talking with another model, Dakota referenced punching a woman. At the dinner table he said something like "if you punch a bitch in the nose as hard as you can and she stays with you, she's a keeper". Then after dinner when he was talking to Kaden Alexander, I believe, and he was talking about fucking he again referenced punching a bitch in the nose.

This type of language is intolerable in and of itself and Mark as head of the house should have said something at the dinner table as soon as Dakota said it. And I'm surprised that Ms. Sabrina didn't say something. Nothing can excuse this this type of behavior whether it be alcohol, male bravado, trying to impress your peers, etc. Nothing. And even though this comes under the heading of shutting the barn door after the horse has left, Dakota should be told that this type of language is not tolerable anywhere, especially on Broke Straight Boys

Hi stowe1,
I agree with you. We don't condone violence of any kind and I can see how it could have been taken as being disrespectful or demeaning to women. Dakota is a loving husband and father and was really joking around when he said that. Whenever Dakota is around, he is often the comedian of the bunch. Before dinner, the boys were watching clips on stand up comedians on Youtube and I guess this inspired his story. As far as character, there is no one more willing to be helpful around the house, or more caring for others than Dakota. He's a comedian at heart and meant not harm. I apologize if you felt offended by this. We are so used to him being a comedian that none of us took him seriously. Now, if we didn't know him so well, and thought that he was serious in any way, then the correct course of action would have been taken.

These boys are often influenced by what they see on TV and also by the lives that they live. They often try to "out do" each other when it comes to stories and "street talk" because that's what they are used to. On the TV show, you'll get more of a feel of how serious we are when someone breaks the rules and also a feel for the boys when they are outside of the studio. We run a classy operation and we have an exclusive interview coming up with a model from the past that is coming back "home" because of his bad experiences with another studio which, he felt, wasn't run as professionally.

Back to the point--I don't talk like this at my own dinner table, but I was also raised differently. I often get teased around here for being a bit of a prude, lol. But being around these kids (and I say that because I'm old enough to be some of their fathers), I have come to somewhat embrace their sense of humor at times. Not always.
In my heart I know that Dakota was just being silly, but I see your point. Just know that the world you're getting a glimpse of may be a bit different than the norm. Like we stated in the press release, many of these guys come from the streets and don't know anything else. When they come here, we don't judge them, but we do try to show them how to act in a professional way. I worked on a documentary once that dealt with homeless people on the streets and, let me tell you, I had trouble going back the next day because I was so offended by something one of the subjects, that we were documenting, said to me. However, I continued because I saw that I was getting a raw look into the lives of troubled, often mentally ill, people on the streets. It was an alien world to me, but I also learned a lot about human nature and the choices that people make.

I hope this helps.

 

[danleeh1984]

Hi stowe1,
I agree with you. We don't condone violence of any kind and I can see how it could have been taken as being disrespectful or demeaning to women. Dakota is a loving husband and father and was really joking around when he said that. Whenever Dakota is around, he is often the comedian of the bunch. Before dinner, the boys were watching clips on stand up comedians on Youtube and I guess this inspired his story. As far as character, there is no one more willing to be helpful around the house, or more caring for others than Dakota. He's a comedian at heart and meant not harm. I apologize if you felt offended by this. We are so used to him being a comedian that none of us took him seriously. Now, if we didn't know him so well, and thought that he was serious in any way, then the correct course of action would have been taken.

These boys are often influenced by what they see on TV and also by the lives that they live. They often try to "out do" each other when it comes to stories and "street talk" because that's what they are used to. On the TV show, you'll get more of a feel of how serious we are when someone breaks the rules and also a feel for the boys when they are outside of the studio. We run a classy operation and we have an exclusive interview coming up with a model from the past that is coming back "home" because of his bad experiences with another studio which, he felt, wasn't run as professionally.

Back to the point--I don't talk like this at my own dinner table, but I was also raised differently. I often get teased around here for being a bit of a prude, lol. But being around these kids (and I say that because I'm old enough to be some of their fathers), I have come to somewhat embrace their sense of humor at times. Not always.
In my heart I know that Dakota was just being silly, but I see your point. Just know that the world you're getting a glimpse of may be a bit different than the norm. Like we stated in the press release, many of these guys come from the streets and don't know anything else. When they come here, we don't judge them, but we do try to show them how to act in a professional way. I worked on a documentary once that dealt with homeless people on the streets and, let me tell you, I had trouble going back the next day because I was so offended by something one of the subjects, that we were documenting, said to me. However, I continued because I saw that I was getting a raw look into the lives of troubled, often mentally ill, people on the streets. It was an alien world to me, but I also learned a lot about human nature and the choices that people make.

I hope this helps.

hi, I just wanted to say thank you for explaining it in the way you have. Now I see it in the way you put I can understand why they act the way they do and say the things they say. I also wonder if sometimes they talk like that because of the situation they are in while there at the mansion, as in there doing gay porn and yes there doing it for money but I wonder if sometimes some of them may feel like they need to prove there masculinity so they all try and say the bigger and better stories in order to prove that there still masculine after what they have done, I'm sorry if none of that made sense to any of you sometimes things just pour out of my brain and I find it hard to try and put them down in the right order. Finally I just want to thank you for explaining that there are certain rules as me being me I imagined them all going out getting hammered every night and had no consequences, so I appreciate you explaining that they are quite firm (and I wouldn't want to get on the wrong side of Sabrina, I love her to bits nut I can imagine she can be firm when she needs to be). Thanks again. Dan

 

[joninliverton]

After I watched this BTS scene again, it struck me that I left something important out of my initial post on this thread. And that is the language and talk about women. Now I am not a prude by any stretch of the imagination. And I realize that a lot of straight young guys, and even many older ones, refer to women as "bitches". Even women who are their girlfriends, fiancees, or wives. I might not agree with it, and do not like it, but it is a fact.

However, I do draw the line at joking or advocating violence towards women. Once at the dinner table and then again afterwards while standing and talking with another model, Dakota referenced punching a woman. At the dinner table he said something like "if you punch a bitch in the nose as hard as you can and she stays with you, she's a keeper". Then after dinner when he was talking to Kaden Alexander, I believe, and he was talking about fucking he again referenced punching a bitch in the nose.

This type of language is intolerable in and of itself and Mark as head of the house should have said something at the dinner table as soon as Dakota said it. And I'm surprised that Ms. Sabrina didn't say something. Nothing can excuse this this type of behavior whether it be alcohol, male bravado, trying to impress your peers, etc. Nothing. And even though this comes under the heading of shutting the barn door after the horse has left, Dakota should be told that this type of language is not tolerable anywhere, especially on Broke Straight Boys

Stowie, judging by the replies to your post, it looks as if you were a victim of falling into the Broke Straight Boys fantasy world as you mentioned on another thread. It appears that even when they appear in a BTS, the guys are still acting, which makes you wonder if anything they come out with his true.

 

[stowe1]

After I watched this BTS scene again, it struck me that I left something important out of my initial post on this thread. And that is the language and talk about women. Now I am not a prude by any stretch of the imagination. And I realize that a lot of straight young guys, and even many older ones, refer to women as "bitches". Even women who are their girlfriends, fiancees, or wives. I might not agree with it, and do not like it, but it is a fact.

However, I do draw the line at joking or advocating violence towards women. Once at the dinner table and then again afterwards while standing and talking with another model, Dakota referenced punching a woman. At the dinner table he said something like "if you punch a bitch in the nose as hard as you can and she stays with you, she's a keeper". Then after dinner when he was talking to Kaden Alexander, I believe, and he was talking about fucking he again referenced punching a bitch in the nose.

This type of language is intolerable in and of itself and Mark as head of the house should have said something at the dinner table as soon as Dakota said it. And I'm surprised that Ms. Sabrina didn't say something. Nothing can excuse this this type of behavior whether it be alcohol, male bravado, trying to impress your peers, etc. Nothing. And even though this comes under the heading of shutting the barn door after the horse has left, Dakota should be told that this type of language is not tolerable anywhere, especially on Broke Straight Boys

Hi stowe1,
I agree with you. We don't condone violence of any kind and I can see how it could have been taken as being disrespectful or demeaning to women. Dakota is a loving husband and father and was really joking around when he said that. Whenever Dakota is around, he is often the comedian of the bunch. Before dinner, the boys were watching clips on stand up comedians on Youtube and I guess this inspired his story. As far as character, there is no one more willing to be helpful around the house, or more caring for others than Dakota. He's a comedian at heart and meant not harm. I apologize if you felt offended by this. We are so used to him being a comedian that none of us took him seriously. Now, if we didn't know him so well, and thought that he was serious in any way, then the correct course of action would have been taken.

These boys are often influenced by what they see on TV and also by the lives that they live. They often try to "out do" each other when it comes to stories and "street talk" because that's what they are used to. On the TV show, you'll get more of a feel of how serious we are when someone breaks the rules and also a feel for the boys when they are outside of the studio. We run a classy operation and we have an exclusive interview coming up with a model from the past that is coming back "home" because of his bad experiences with another studio which, he felt, wasn't run as professionally.

Back to the point--I don't talk like this at my own dinner table, but I was also raised differently. I often get teased around here for being a bit of a prude, lol. But being around these kids (and I say that because I'm old enough to be some of their fathers), I have come to somewhat embrace their sense of humor at times. Not always.
In my heart I know that Dakota was just being silly, but I see your point. Just know that the world you're getting a glimpse of may be a bit different than the norm. Like we stated in the press release, many of these guys come from the streets and don't know anything else. When they come here, we don't judge them, but we do try to show them how to act in a professional way. I worked on a documentary once that dealt with homeless people on the streets and, let me tell you, I had trouble going back the next day because I was so offended by something one of the subjects, that we were documenting, said to me. However, I continued because I saw that I was getting a raw look into the lives of troubled, often mentally ill, people on the streets. It was an alien world to me, but I also learned a lot about human nature and the choices that people make.

I hope this helps.

I'm sorry, Damian, the issue of domestic abuse on women is not an issue to joke about no matter the circumstances. And if you all thought it was okay because he is the comedian of the house that says something about you guys. This should have been a teaching moment for Dakota. Some things are just off the table even to joke about. What would have been the reaction if he talked about punching a faggot? Oh, no biggie, he's just being the comedian of the house?

 

[BenBen]

I was surprised that the punching thing was in the video, it should have been edited out, that wasn't a wise decision. It was in bad taste but I could see he was giving a ridiculous example and I did not for a minute think he was being serious or that he truly felt that way about women. Dakota seems like a really nice guy. I stocked it up to testosterone and machismo. It is not unusual behavior between young straight guys. I get it that when a bunch of guys are hanging out together their mouths are running wild and at leas half of it is BS. I know at my currant age I've forgotten a lot of the crazy stupid things I said an did when I was young, until someone reminds me and I wasn't any different when I was with the guys.

 

[betudidntknow]

I am curious then, if Damian had not explained this regarding what was watched on the BTS, "how or if" that would have influenced the way those members viewed the models in general, in future scenes? Just a question of curiosity, not judgment. I really am curious about how the information we gather/see/hear..affects the overall enjoyment of persons who are (or might be) models or potential models? Any thoughts?

 

[danleeh1984]

I am curious then, if Damian had not explained this regarding what was watched on the BTS, "how or if" that would have influenced the way those members viewed the models in general, in future scenes? Just a question of curiosity, not judgment. I really am curious about how the information we gather/see/hear..affects the overall enjoyment of persons who are (or might be) models or potential models? Any thoughts?

ok ill be honest here so please don't anyone judge. If Damien hadn't described it the way he did about the situation before they were all having their meal I don't think I could of ever looked at Dakota the same way again as if that was the Way he thought without promoting or inspiration then I wouldn't of liked the way he thought. I'm no angel but I think male on female violence is disgusting and its a situation in the world that sadly is happening on a daily basis and so it shouldn't be joked about. I know you could tell by the atmosphere that they were all joking around but I found Dakotas joke in bad taste. But after Damien explained the whole situation I can sort of understand how it all ended up the way it did and so I can turn a blinds eye to it for this time some thank Damien for doing so. I know I may have taken the situation a bit serious but its a very sensitive situation and if there are people that were watching the bts that are easily influenced and they sore the the situation made fun of like that they could of been influenced to do it in real life. But its all good now. Dan

 

[mikeyank]

I never thought that Dakota was serious about punching a woman, but I found the attitude between him and Kaden Alexander of finding that as a funny joke a bit disturbing the initial time I watched it. I've never been the big fan of Dakota that some members are, but I became more turned off to his personality watching him joke around about that. As I said previously, often the BTS softens my views on models that don't especially turn me on, but in this case, it had the opposite effect on me, making me like the model even less than before I watched. Again, I understand it was Dakota's attempt at dark or perhaps macho humor, but to me the joke fell flat.

 

[another1]

we all know that the punch and return test is a failed method for finding a keeper.
what does a gay guy say when ask if this his
is first-time? No! what does a straight guy say? yes, why does everyone ask that?
some jokes are so funny I forget to laugh.
one joke fails to establish a pattern.

 

[BenBen]

I am against violence of any kind and I do believe violence from men against women is horrible and it is not funny. At the same time this kind of humor is not unusual between straight guys, they're puffing out their chests exuding the manhood trying to show dominance or superiority there's much more to it than what we see. If you think about real straight men having gay sex it can be a mind fuck for them and after they probably tend to be over masculine to show they "Ain't no punk" maybe a lot of you haven't been exposed to these kinds of men in their natural habitat and have never seen this behavior before but where I come from it's pretty common, it's boys being boys and trying to act tough. Is it in bad taste, Yes, of course it is but it happens and they don't mean it, they aren't being serious.

I'm sure most women would be shocked by what their boyfriends and husbands say when they're with their buddies especially after they've had a few drinks. I'm surprised that the guys in hear haven't seen this kind of behavior before. I think it's unfortunate that it got released and I really don't understand why it wasn't edited out, but maybe the person doing the editing is used to guys behaving like that and didn't think it was a big deal?

 

[BenBen]

Maybe this would be a good opportunity for the whole group involved with shooting, editing and being in this BTS to do some volunteer work for a local women's shelter or maybe have an auction and donate the proceeds to a women's shelter so they can show their support for female victims of domestic abuse. A sensitivity class could also do wonders.