Why do ugly guys hit on cute guys

[jimgym69]

HE used the word ugly and to me it means much more than physical beauty. He obviously has a problem........a MAJOR problem. Or maybe he needs to clean his mirrors! HA!

 

[windsurfin]

Is this a put on or is curgeo12 really this stupid?

 

[jasonaz]

What's all this coming out of lurking bit all the time. Do you have some kinda authority nowadays that we know not of.

Carking is absolutely 100 pc correct and I would rather see posts like his than politically correct drivel than the above.

I was wondering the same thing myself John. Thanks for expressing my thoughts exactly. Just when you thought the PC Police had been disbanded due to budget cuts.....

 

[jasonaz]

Well i dont come off on the wrong foot but the shoe is off as much as i would like not to admit something like that its true and maybe all the ugly people are coming to grips that its probly true that they do act like that, yes ugly people do show themselves to the world with additude and confidence but to me its all an act its a false scence of self worthieness i think and its sad that some needs to act like that to get attention i have never not talked to someone cause they were ugly im just not that guy and i dont spend all my time in a mirror i dont need to always remind myself that im better looking than alot of other people out there its not hard to see that there are alot of less than average looking people out there in this world im not being an ahole but come on i know some of you have ugly friends right know that are the most hateful people you know i mean even out of my friends there is the friend that dosent look like the rest but is still never the less above average looking and they seem to have have the worst additudes i dont know what it is it just seems like they will in one way or another show you they are better at least better at something im not saying im the best looking guy but compared to other guys out there im alot better looking this is just something that i know i dont use to get me places or things like some other good looking people i know im really a nice guy but i am tierd of ugly people and the way they ,are and it seems like they always wanna test you and when i say test i mean like emailing you saying hey do they really think they are going to get a responce from me is this in some way a validation to themselves that there not that ugly i dont get it but i wish it would stop.

well Curgeo12 first of all I want to thank you for starting this thread it has been a while since we has such an animated discussion on here that provoked such contrevorsey amoung the 4m members that it actually ruffled a few feathers while i dont consider myself an ugly guy i no eye am knot the best loking guy at the party and while ewe may be considered a kutie too sum peeple yu wood not have too werry that i wood try to hit on u because you are not my type and i really dew not fine you that gud looking for my taste but eye wood probably fuck yu anyway coz i am all ways open two knew experiances and u never no wen you will fine that won peeples that will press all the write buttons and make you forgot that you even kare what he or you even look like too begin with sew by being shallow like you are you are only cheating yourself from getting to no some great peeples and missing out on some even better sex because all the beautiful people eye no are never satisfied with there sex lifes because no won is ever gud enuff for them i bet you jack off in front of the mirror coz you are the only won good looking enuff to have sex with you just remember this as my good friend judge judy always says good looks fade stupid is forever and lonliness is even longer eye added that last part myself
keep posting i enjoy reading you -Jason

 

[windsurfin]

HA HA HA jasonaz. Perfect

KEEP ON SAILIN DUDES

 

[joninliverton]

well Curgeo12 first of all I want to thank you for starting this thread it has been a while since we has such an animated discussion on here that provoked such contrevorsey amoung the 4m members that it actually ruffled a few feathers while i dont consider myself an ugly guy i no eye am knot the best loking guy at the party and while ewe may be considered a kutie too sum peeple yu wood not have too werry that i wood try to hit on u because you are not my type and i really dew not fine you that gud looking for my taste but eye wood probably fuck yu anyway coz i am all ways open two knew experiances and u never no wen you will fine that won peeples that will press all the write buttons and make you forgot that you even kare what he or you even look like too begin with sew by being shallow like you are you are only cheating yourself from getting to no some great peeples and missing out on some even better sex because all the beautiful people eye no are never satisfied with there sex lifes because no won is ever gud enuff for them i bet you jack off in front of the mirror coz you are the only won good looking enuff to have sex with you just remember this as my good friend judge judy always says good looks fade stupid is forever and lonliness is even longer eye added that last part myself
keep posting i enjoy reading you -Jason

No wonder I'm in love with you babes... xx

 

[silvercamel]

well Curgeo12 first of all I want to thank you for starting this thread it has been a while since we has such an animated discussion on here that provoked such contrevorsey amoung the 4m members that it actually ruffled a few feathers while i dont consider myself an ugly guy i no eye am knot the best loking guy at the party and while ewe may be considered a kutie too sum peeple yu wood not have too werry that i wood try to hit on u because you are not my type and i really dew not fine you that gud looking for my taste but eye wood probably fuck yu anyway coz i am all ways open two knew experiances and u never no wen you will fine that won peeples that will press all the write buttons and make you forgot that you even kare what he or you even look like too begin with sew by being shallow like you are you are only cheating yourself from getting to no some great peeples and missing out on some even better sex because all the beautiful people eye no are never satisfied with there sex lifes because no won is ever gud enuff for them i bet you jack off in front of the mirror coz you are the only won good looking enuff to have sex with you just remember this as my good friend judge judy always says good looks fade stupid is forever and lonliness is even longer eye added that last part myself
keep posting i enjoy reading you -Jason

wonderful!

 

[slimvintage]

curgeo12 interests me a lot. He is saying some stuff that maybe isn't crucial to world peace, but which has a place in the discourse of gay males in Western Europe and the broader English speaking world: the frustration that young gay guys have in assessing their own qualifications and attributes--physical, intellectual--vis a vis the rest of the gay population (their own peers, "ugly" gays, old guys, all the usual suspects) is something I haven't seen on this forum since the beginning. The language he uses is blunt and insensitive, but I've noticed usage like that among black youth before, and it doesn't mean anything more than that he's letting the world know that he isn't afraid to voice his opinion.

i hope he keeps on doing it on this forum and hasnt been run off by all the wit and piety expressed by my good friends on this thread at his expense he may rub us the wrong way but what he has to say definitely has a place the premise of his assertion here is one which could be debated seriously between teams at university level and by the way young guys who do a lot of msn write exclusively in run-on sentences leaving the typos uncorrected and letters uncapitalized and have done for years now have a look at brokemichaels posts and youll get a feeling for the way young guys in the 2st century communicate welcome this guy and find out what he has to say you might learn something

 

[joninliverton]

It's not the standard of English that has upset everyone, it is the underlying content.

 

[slimvintage]

It's not the standard of English that has upset everyone, it is the underlying content.

Maybe there isn't enough razzle in my life and everyone else is bored by him, but I'd personally like to hear more. The whole business in gay male society regarding who's attracted or not attracted to whom is really interesting. We talk about being surprised by the chemistry produced by totally unexpected people, the last guy in the world we'd imagine we'd be attracted to; the snobbish disgust on the part of young guys toward old ones, all this stuff can be discussed seriously and in a way is the underlying content here.

tampa's infatuation with Diesal, with the stolen kisses and hurried hugs, have created the first real life older guy-young hottie interface right here in forumland and by extension is an example of the much broader concept that's the subject of the thread. Tampa happens not to be ugly, quite the contrary, but he's more or less twice Diesal's age, so he gets to be included. He went through the looking glass and found someone who liked him, wanted to talk to him and was receptive to his affection. From what tampa's said, I have to draw the conclusion that Diesal wasn't just being nice.

jon, join curgeo12's debate. Do you ever find yourself having to cope, politely or not, with the brazen advances of someone you don't find attractive purely because he's a lot older and much less handsome than you are? Even though he might be potentially the best lover and friend you could ever have? How do you handle that?

 

[Ms. Kianna]

Okay, enough is enough!

You guys have been debating this back and forth forever. If any of you had been paying attention, you would have realized that everything you've said since post #3 is irrelevant, and has been a waste of time.

Curgeo's first response came from Slim, claiming to be an ugly guy. He responded back to him in post #3 as if Slim's claim to be an ugly guy were a reality. Come on, if he read #2 and posted #3 while looking at the best avatar on the forum, of Slim himself, fit, tanned, shirtless, and very handsome on the beach, then the guy is either blind or so visually impaired that any further discussion after this revelation was irrelevant.

Just thought someone should point this out so you guys aren't still arguing over this guy on Labor Day.

 

[mikeyank]

Maybe there isn't enough razzle in my life and everyone else is bored by him, but I'd personally like to hear more. The whole business in gay male society regarding who's attracted or not attracted to whom is really interesting. We talk about being surprised by the chemistry produced by totally unexpected people, the last guy in the world we'd imagine we'd be attracted to; the snobbish disgust on the part of young guys toward old ones, all this stuff can be discussed seriously and in a way is the underlying content here.

tampa's infatuation with Diesal, with the stolen kisses and hurried hugs, have created the first real life older guy-young hottie interface right here in forumland and by extension is an example of the much broader concept that's the subject of the thread. Tampa happens not to be ugly, quite the contrary, but he's more or less twice Diesal's age, so he gets to be included. He went through the looking glass and found someone who liked him, wanted to talk to him and was receptive to his affection. From what tampa's said, I have to draw the conclusion that Diesal wasn't just being nice.

jon, join curgeo12's debate. Do you ever find yourself having to cope, politely or not, with the brazen advances of someone you don't find attractive purely because he's a lot older and much less handsome than you are? Even though he might be potentially the best lover and friend you could ever have? How do you handle that?

Slim, while I may disagree with your point of view at times, (and not understand your points at other times), you can also be also be brilliant too, and I think you have tapped into an often unspoken phenomenon that is very often bubbling right below the surface in the "gay world".

I have certainly been "victimized" by a real good looking often younger guy rejecting my advances for either friendship or often sexual contact. But I also realize that I've done the same thing. On the thread dealing with "precum", I yesterday told the story yesterday of being at a clothing optional gay resort in Fort Lauderdale when I was perhaps 54, and had a poolside conversation with a handsome gray haired man in his early 70's. My companion was naked and I noticed how his flaccid penis was leaking precum while we were talking about sexual experiences of our past. I then realized that he was encouraging me to bring him back to my motel room to relieve his sexual tension.

While I politely rejected his advances, I was actually doing to him what curgeo12 suggests that he does to "ugly guys". My poolside companion was actually a rather handsome, fit older man, but he was not "my type" sexually. I totally concur with Slim that curgeo12 makes some points that we may not like to read, but are in the thoughts of younger, fitter guys, and this forum is as good a place as any to make his points.

Yes, he is crude and insensitive in his delivery, and I find it hard to understand his "Internet shorthand", but he is being himself. However, he is not alone on this forum, as there are also some "more mature" posters to the forum, including one who is supposed to be an accomplished author, who type in all lower case, with no paragraphs to make the reading easier on my old eyes.

I welcome diversity on the forum, and enjoy reading the thoughts of folks of all ages, genders, nationalities and races. While I certainly don't have to agree with everyone, I enjoy knowing what is going through people's minds, and this forum is an excellent place to learn how others think, and live their lives.

So I applaud Slim, for not joining the mob and wanting to drive this rather blunt, and crude young man from our forum. I say, bring it on, but be prepared to be disagreed with and bashed yourself, but I'm sure that he can handle that.

 

[SayWhat]

curgeo12 interests me a lot. He is saying some stuff that maybe isn't crucial to world peace, but which has a place in the discourse of gay males in Western Europe and the broader English speaking world: the frustration that young gay guys have in assessing their own qualifications and attributes--physical, intellectual--vis a vis the rest of the gay population (their own peers, "ugly" gays, old guys, all the usual suspects) is something I haven't seen on this forum since the beginning. The language he uses is blunt and insensitive, but I've noticed usage like that among black youth before, and it doesn't mean anything more than that he's letting the world know that he isn't afraid to voice his opinion.

i hope he keeps on doing it on this forum and hasnt been run off by all the wit and piety expressed by my good friends on this thread at his expense he may rub us the wrong way but what he has to say definitely has a place the premise of his assertion here is one which could be debated seriously between teams at university level and by the way young guys who do a lot of msn write exclusively in run-on sentences leaving the typos uncorrected and letters uncapitalized and have done for years now have a look at brokemichaels posts and youll get a feeling for the way young guys in the 2st century communicate welcome this guy and find out what he has to say you might learn something

Oh balls. I hate when I bitch about someone and then a mature, level-headed person comes along and makes me realize that I was being a jackass.

You make a good point.

 

[mikeyank]

You guys have been debating this back and forth forever. If any of you had been paying attention, you would have realized that everything you've said since post #3 is irrelevant, and has been a waste of time.

Curgeo's first response came from Slim, claiming to be an ugly guy. He responded back to him in post #3 as if Slim's claim to be an ugly guy were a reality. Come on, if he read #2 and posted #3 while looking at the best avatar on the forum, of Slim himself, fit, tanned, shirtless, and very handsome on the beach, then the guy is either blind or so visually impaired that any further discussion after this revelation was irrelevant.

Just thought someone should point this out so you guys aren't still arguing over this guy on Labor Day.

May I respectfully point out Ms. Kianna, that while you may find the discussion irrelevant at this point, others may have more to say on the topic. This is the only Internet forum that I've regularly read and posted on, but I've discovered that topics and threads can develop a life and death of their own, and when the topic is exhausted it will die on it's own, and conversely, if a topic still generates interest and debate, then let it live on until "Labor Day", and you certainly have the right to ignore the topic. There are several threads on the forum that bore me, and I simply do not "click" on those subjects anymore.

To me it is like those who advocate censorship in the media. I say that we can all exercise our own form of censorship by turning off a program that we are offended by. But I do not want to subject my own sensibilities on everyone else.

 

[slimvintage]

May I respectfully point out Ms. Kianna, that while you may find the discussion irrelevant at this point, others may have more to say on the topic. This is the only Internet forum that I've regularly read and posted on, but I've discovered that topics and threads can develop a life and death of their own, and when the topic is exhausted it will die on it's own, and conversely, if a topic still generates interest and debate, then let it live on until "Labor Day", and you certainly have the right to ignore the topic. There are several threads on the forum that bore me, and I simply do not "click" on those subjects anymore.

To me it is like those who advocate censorship in the media. I say that we can all exercise our own form of censorship by turning off a program that we are offended by. But I do not want to subject my own sensibilities on everyone else.

mikeyank dude, part of this is about whether older guys can be attractive to younger ones, in the broader sense of the "ugly/cute" debate. When I saw Kianna's post, I was hoping you were gonna say I was irresistible too.

 

[jimbiss2]

you got a great group of hot guys.id like to see Shawn fuck.put him with Shane,Austin,Jimmy,or Tyler.would be some hot action.or maybe Diesal could fuck him.i dont think i have ever seen him get fucked.

 

[MissDeidra]

Oh dear. I took a couple days off from reading the forum to party it up in Pittsburgh and I came back and saw this...

Don't give this topic too much weight. I think people can argue until they are blue in the face, but you aren't going to change anyones mind. Everyone is free to have an opinion and I wouldn't want to come here and express my thoughts if I was allowed to be honest. I think Denny said it best in the 4th response. It seems like everyone has their feathers ruffled. Point accomplished I think, correct curgeo12?

 

[tampa24]

tampa's infatuation with Diesal, with the stolen kisses and hurried hugs, have created the first real life older guy-young hottie interface right here in forumland and by extension is an example of the much broader concept that's the subject of the thread. Tampa happens not to be ugly, quite the contrary, but he's more or less twice Diesal's age, so he gets to be included. He went through the looking glass and found someone who liked him, wanted to talk to him and was receptive to his affection. From what tampa's said, I have to draw the conclusion that Diesal wasn't just being nice.

I hesitated to post on this thread at all. Primarily because of all of the negativity. But Slim, Ariz and others have opened the door for the conversation to evolve to the broader prejudices of age, obesity and overall outward appearance that society deems to be unattractive.

Leave it to Slim's brilliant mind to make a connection that I hadn't caught on to yet. The amazing weekend I had with the guys at the event had every bit of a fairy tale Beauty and the Beast quality to it. Right in keeping with the Disney theme. LOL Because of the differences in age I could easily have been treated like some outsider. Unworthy of their attention or affection. Instead I found that they had the spiritual evolvement, the maturity and the social skills to embrace people of all ages, shapes, sizes and colors. The fact that they already had that social maturity at such a young age was one of the things that impressed me the most.

Most of my friends right now are much older than me. And there are a few who are quite overweight. It doesn't bother me a bit. When I'm in my gay friendly church for instance I'll go up to a 73 y/o old guy and give him a hug. Maybe even a peck on the cheek. What does that cost me? Nothing... To spread a little luv and joy around is why we're here. And you're never too old to be chicken to somebody. haha They know they are not going to get sex but they still enjoy the attention.

I am out absolutely nothing by trying to be kind and gracious. But what does it do for the older person's self esteem and outlook to have a younger guy being kind to them? My guess is that it would make them feel pretty good.

If I lose respect from some people who can't fathom why I would be hugging on, squeezing the arm of, and generally giving the time of day to "that old troll over there"... Or those who would scoff at why Tampa is over there at the other table dining alone with "that fat guy"... Well those are exactly the kinds of people whose respect and approval I don't aspire to gain anyway. I'll sleep quite well at night whether they respect me or not.

We had another lesson along those same lines right here on the site. We had Ryan paired up with hot porn star Shane. They are closer to the same age but society would say that they are not in the same league looks-wise. How would they ever achieve any believable chemistry? Then we see a scorching scene that has Shane all worked up in lather. Hardly able to believe the "unexpected" compatibility of someone he might otherwise have overlooked .

 

[enzo]

Hum this thread is quite amazing ! Thanks to all for your posts

First I had in mind a nice sentence for Carking that was said by a french writer some time ago "I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend to the death your right to say it." and even I am not really sure what curgeo12 was really trying to say, I really think everyone should have the right to speak and voice his opinion.

Then regarding the shift in the subject and for example the young / old guys, I can say (with some shame) that as a ending young guy (lol), I have a huge (huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge) fear of getting old and (implicitely) awfull with my actual "nice" standards. I know that with the time, those standards will evolve, along with my age, but this scares me to death (ok, here I exagarete, it's my italian part). So why I am writing this ? because it may explain that many people judge other by their fears. I have a huge fear of geting old, because I do not want to look like "them" and then tend to avoid them...

Now before someone sends me a scud, I am trying to heal me from this

Peace and love for everyone

 

[Denny Bear]

There was so much hate in the original post that I hate to give this thread any more credit by continued posting but since the subject has somewhat morphed from it's original intent I will throw a few more coins in the well. Perhaps I'm wrong but it seems the general feeling here is the only reason to go to a club is to find someone to take home that night. Contrary to Queer as Folk it is not all about the sex. While I'm sure that is the primary reason why many guys go there there are also a lot of other reasons including good conversation with friends and just having a good time. It is not an automatic that every person that walks up to you in a bar is out to get in your pants because he thinks your so hot.

It has been over a year since I went clubbing but in my prime if I arrived at the bar before my friends I would simply pull up a stool at the bar and settle in. If someone sat down next to me I would offer up conversation. I had no intent or inclination for anything further and perhaps they sensed that but normally within a few minutes I would find myself with another new friend. That is how I met all of my friends at the bar or people that they introduced me to. The funny thing is usually by the end of the night I would normally have a small crowd around me of friends just having fun. One night one guy told me he always tried to hang around me because I always seem to attract the best looking guys in the bar. LOL I will also tell you on occasion guys would hit on me and usually they were young and extremely hot. The punch line here is if you do not know me I am more then just a bit over weight and as of today just turned 56 and look every bit of 63.

I hope that didn't sound conceited or that I consider myself special because I'm not. Yes there are the shallow minority that are always looking for the biggest cock on the farm but they are indeed the minority. The program Queer as Folk some what portrayed gay club life to be a game of catch the biggest dick and ignore the loosers. At the time there was a fair uproar in the community saying that the program did not represent our life style in a fair light.

So while the bigotry, prejudice, and hatred spoken about in the original post does exist it is not the sole determining factor in bar room relationships. There is a whole lot of ugly that wont show up in a mirror so I offer that perhaps what Curgeo12 perceives as advancements from the ugly people are nothing more then nature seeking it's own kind.