Whats happening?

[lesit78]

"If the site isn't doing it for you then by all means find one that does." You should recognize those words, they are yours. I know your defense was for Jimmy. But you inadvertently brought to the fore the main complaint of several subscribers. Darren, Jamie, and Jimmy are the most complained about models on the site. Now you point out how over used they have been. With statistics, no less. I have been on many amateur porn sites that feature gay for pay models and none using so few models have been repeated in these percentages. I did notice that Jeremy Hall on the HS sites uses the same models over and over. Turn over is the spice of these sites. Over exposure leads to boredom for some. I want to point out that what I am posing is an intellectual argument for why some subscribers are dissatisfied with Broke Straight Boys They deserve a listen. They shouldn't be dismissed like they are malcontents. Just sayin'. PEACE!

Larkster, at least they don't pull what Corbin Fisher pulls to this very day. Corbin Fisher, which is a college frat guys site featuring gay for pay, bi, and gay "college age guys" having sex, has been pawning off models such as Dawson and Lucas as "college boys" since 2005!

Dawson made his first appearance there in 2005. He is still, at the end of 2011, starring in scenes. Even if Dawson turned 18 the day before he shot his first scene for Corbin Fisher, that would now make him 25 years old at the youngest (pushing 26), nearly 7 years later. To me *that* is overexposed, pushing the same model on an audience for 7 years. I grew tired of Dawson after his first scene, and am no more a fan of him now than I was when he was a brand new model.

The same went for Lucas, who was supposedly 18 when he first started doing scenes there. At least Dawson looks pretty much the same as he did in 2005 but Lucas has not aged well at all and I swear he looks like he's in his mid to late 30's now. He could pass for a college aged guy back in 2005, but now he should be starring in the "Men Over 30" site. But as of 2010, Lucas was still starring in Corbin Fisher, playing the part of a college kid 7 years after his premiere episode.

Many of us complain when we start getting tired of any particular model being in too many scenes, after all we are fickle and get bored easily it seems like (myself included). But honestly, do you really think we'll be having the same constant Jimmy conversations in 2018? I highly doubt it.

Broke Straight Boys has always been great at showing models the exit door once their shelf life has expired. There are, as in all things, a few exceptions. Most notable are those who had exclusive contracts I believe. It's my understanding that Dustin had an exclusive contract, and thus they kept putting him in scenes in spite of his noticeable weight gain and sudden hair loss which they hid with him always wearing a hat. Mike Robbins, I don't know if he had an exclusive or not but I suspect he did otherwise he probably would have not been asked back for so many more scenes after people started complaining about him en masse.

I think it's been promoted that Jimmy will be making future BTS appearances, which may or may not include an agreement that he also may be performing in x number of Broke Straight Boys scenes as well.

 

[scorpio]

I think it's just part of human nature. We get bored with things/people after a while. Years ago, we had the same discussions about Tyler, then CJ, then Austin, then Dustin, then Diesal, now it happens to be about Jimmy, and in a few months, it'll all be about Monkeyman...

 

[coxy57]

I think it's just part of human nature. We get bored with things/people after a while. Years ago, we had the same discussions about Tyler, then CJ, then Austin, then Dustin, then Diesal, now it happens to be about Jimmy, and in a few months, it'll all be about Monkeyman...

What a load of crap. All of the models you mentioned and the jimmy lovers mentioned did a variety of shoots. jimmy does the same thing over and over and over and over. When you see his mug on an upcoming shoot you know who ever else is in the shoot is going to have to blow jimmy and get fucked by him. Same old same old. As long as jimmy is pleased so is mark and the jimmy lovers. I get a kick from the jimmy lovers that say I am wrong this is not the Jimmy Johnson Show while claiming him the face of the site. I am sick of the jimmy lovers refering to anyone who is bored by the same old as being jimmy haters. I can not speak for all of them but as I have said repeatedly, I DO NOT HATE jimmy, I hate over 20 episodes with the same old same old.

 

[larkster]

Larkster, at least they don't pull what Corbin Fisher pulls to this very day. Corbin Fisher, which is a college frat guys site featuring gay for pay, bi, and gay "college age guys" having sex, has been pawning off models such as Dawson and Lucas as "college boys" since 2005!

Dawson made his first appearance there in 2005. He is still, at the end of 2011, starring in scenes. Even if Dawson turned 18 the day before he shot his first scene for Corbin Fisher, that would now make him 25 years old at the youngest (pushing 26), nearly 7 years later. To me *that* is overexposed, pushing the same model on an audience for 7 years. I grew tired of Dawson after his first scene, and am no more a fan of him now than I was when he was a brand new model.

The same went for Lucas, who was supposedly 18 when he first started doing scenes there. At least Dawson looks pretty much the same as he did in 2005 but Lucas has not aged well at all and I swear he looks like he's in his mid to late 30's now. He could pass for a college aged guy back in 2005, but now he should be starring in the "Men Over 30" site. But as of 2010, Lucas was still starring in Corbin Fisher, playing the part of a college kid 7 years after his premiere episode.

Many of us complain when we start getting tired of any particular model being in too many scenes, after all we are fickle and get bored easily it seems like (myself included). But honestly, do you really think we'll be having the same constant Jimmy conversations in 2018? I highly doubt it.

Broke Straight Boys has always been great at showing models the exit door once their shelf life has expired. There are, as in all things, a few exceptions. Most notable are those who had exclusive contracts I believe. It's my understanding that Dustin had an exclusive contract, and thus they kept putting him in scenes in spite of his noticeable weight gain and sudden hair loss which they hid with him always wearing a hat. Mike Robbins, I don't know if he had an exclusive or not but I suspect he did otherwise he probably would have not been asked back for so many more scenes after people started complaining about him en masse.

I think it's been promoted that Jimmy will be making future BTS appearances, which may or may not include an agreement that he also may be performing in x number of Broke Straight Boys scenes as well.

I guess I really never considered Corbin Fisher as amateur porn at least not for years. I'm not sure I'll be around anywhere in 2018. LOL I have no axe to grind here. I just don't think the argument about the connection between over use and subscribers canceling can be so readily dismissed.

 

[coxy57]

57 scenes out of 89 is still way over half. As a matter of fact it is two-thirds. I bet you can't find another site that favors five models that much. Let's face it. These models are over exposed and it's a good reason for subscribers to be upset and wonder if they are getting their money's worth. They have a legitimate beef. Instead of telling them to shop elsewhere, I think it would be prudent for the administration to address their grievances.

One of the problems is that the administration refuses to address grievances. I contacted Chuck and he just ignored me.
As for you trying to use facts, your waisting your time. If you do the math and jimmy has done 22 % they claim that means he is not the majority, the other 78 % is. Well if you divide the 78 % by the number of models in them no one comes close to 22 %. When they start comparing jimmy to Tyler, DJ Mike etc it just shows how out of touch they are. Diesal had a huge cock and could have demanded that he just be pleased but no he tried and regularly pleased his partner. To put jimmy in the ranks of the greats of Broke Straight Boys is beyond words. If you read the posts from his fans, it says more about them then jimmy. They compare him to the greats of Broke Straight Boys and then defend him that after 20 shoots he finally touches the other model and pretends to care. They call him the face of BSB2 and say I am wrong for calling it the Jimmy Johnson Show. I tried to make the point that after doing the number of shoots he has he must have made a small fortune and got attacked that I do not know what he makes. That is true but I believe he is not stupid and at the basic of $ 500 a shoot ( and I am sure he gets more), do the math.
I have learned it is impossible to try and make a point with his worshippers because it puts them in defence mode as I am sure you understand that. I believe his worshippers are right about one thing and mark only cares about the business side of things and for that reason I have decided to follow the lead of a few other members and vote the only way he will notice. If enough people leave he might just care about all his members. I can not help but think of one of the posts from jimmy when he said we are selfish because what would his fans do if they did not show episodes with him, they would get over it and watch someone else. For the people who are tired of his episodes of same old same old, we are getting ripped off.

 

[stowe1]

"If the site isn't doing it for you then by all means find one that does." You should recognize those words, they are yours. I know your defense was for Jimmy. But you inadvertently brought to the fore the main complaint of several subscribers. Darren, Jamie, and Jimmy are the most complained about models on the site. Now you point out how over used they have been. With statistics, no less. I have been on many amateur porn sites that feature gay for pay models and none using so few models have been repeated in these percentages. I did notice that Jeremy Hall on the HS sites uses the same models over and over. Turn over is the spice of these sites. Over exposure leads to boredom for some. I want to point out that what I am posing is an intellectual argument for why some subscribers are dissatisfied with Broke Straight Boys They deserve a listen. They shouldn't be dismissed like they are malcontents. Just sayin'. PEACE!

1. Yes, I do recognize my words. Taken in context, I wrote them to support coxy57's decision to leave the site. They were not used in a defensive way. I have not and NEVER would urge or tell anyone to leave the site or the forum over one's posts or the opinions contained therein. Gee, words taken out of context to misrepresent what someone has said - are you a politician?

2. Coxy57's contention was about Jimmy not several other models. If there are "several subscribers" complaining about the overuse of a number of models they surely haven't made their presence felt. Perhaps you and your fellow Jimmy non-fans should give them a lesson in that because you're good at it.

3. What is overuse to one person can be to another the continued use of hot actors. I can remember only a few times when I wasn't happy about either actor in a scene. Many times I am pleased with both.

4. I thought we were having an intellectual discussion. I have, do, and will always respect those whose opinions differ from mine on any subject. I have always urged such on this forum and my mantra has been and will continue to be that all posters should be able to disagree agreeably without the use of "ad hominem" language directed at anyone. I can't recall anyone calling anybody a malcontent. Perhaps you have chosen to infer that from the words people have written just as I could, but choose not to, infer from the words that you, coxy57, and other Jimmy non-fans have written that his fans are misguided in their support for him.

 

[larkster]

Jimmy has already said he hopes his hours are running out on Broke Straight Boys and he is hoping to go on to a site where he will experiment more sexually. Stimpy: it is all about the MONEY. I think he is delusional. I don't know what site he could be talking about unless it is College Dudes That would make sense, keeping a tie with his Broke Straight Boys fan base and demanding more money for bringing them into College Dudes. Then teasing for a while till finally giving up the holey (sic) grail. Now this really is my last post on Jimmy except for critiques, so stop tempting me!

 

[larkster]

1. Yes, I do recognize my words. Taken in context, I wrote them to support coxy57's decision to leave the site. They were not used in a defensive way. I have not and NEVER would urge or tell anyone to leave the site or the forum over one's posts or the opinions contained therein. Gee, words taken out of context to misrepresent what someone has said - are you a politician?

2. Coxy57's contention was about Jimmy not several other models. If there are "several subscribers" complaining about the overuse of a number of models they surely haven't made their presence felt. Perhaps you and your fellow Jimmy non-fans should give them a lesson in that because you're good at it.

3. What is overuse to one person can be to another the continued use of hot actors. I can remember only a few times when I wasn't happy about either actor in a scene. Many times I am pleased with both.

4. I thought we were having an intellectual discussion. I have, do, and will always respect those whose opinions differ from mine on any subject. I have always urged such on this forum and my mantra has been and will continue to be that all posters should be able to disagree agreeably without the use of "ad hominem" language directed at anyone. I can't recall anyone calling anybody a malcontent. Perhaps you have chosen to infer that from the words people have written just as I could, but choose not to, infer from the words that you, coxy57, and other Jimmy non-fans have written that his fans are misguided in their support for him.

OMG! I can't get away from this. I didn't take your words out of context. I interpreted, to paraphrase, my own words that you were inviting your friend to shop around for a site that better suits him. I was saying, instead it might be more prudent to take his complaint seriously about this site. Politician? Now that's a low blow. Several posts have been about the fore mentioned models being over exposed and by quite a few members. You or anyone else can post in a way that treats others as malcontents without using the word. That is my interpretation of what is happening here. Feel free to infer anything you want. I think I have been pretty straight forward in what I said. And for the last time, I am not a Jimmy non-fan. I am rather neutral on Jimmy. As you can see by my critiques.

 

[stowe1]

I get a kick from the jimmy lovers that say I am wrong this is not the Jimmy Johnson Show while claiming him the face of the site. I am sick of the jimmy lovers refering to anyone who is bored by the same old as being jimmy haters. I can not speak for all of them but as I have said repeatedly, I DO NOT HATE jimmy, I hate over 20 episodes with the same old same old.

I have never claimed him to be the face of the site. Mark or someone wrote that at the launch of BSB2.0 on April 2. I have no idea whether they meant that literally or figuratively. I presume the latter because if someone is the face of a product or service, theirs is the only face you see representing that product or service. Jimmy has only been in 22% of the scenes. I have never called you or anyone who says they are bored by, what you refer to as Jimmy's same old same old a Jimmy hater. I'd like you to refer me to some posts of people who support Jimmy in which they call Jimmy non-fans Jimmy haters. I would never assume that you or anyone hate Jimmy.

 

[stowe1]

For larkster and coxy57

OMG! I can't get away from this. I didn't take your words out of context. I interpreted, to paraphrase, my own words that you were inviting your friend to shop around for a site that better suits him. I was saying, instead it might be more prudent to take his complaint seriously about this site. Politician? Now that's a low blow. Several posts have been about the fore mentioned models being over exposed and by quite a few members. You or anyone else can post in a way that treats others as malcontents without using the word. That is my interpretation of what is happening here. Feel free to infer anything you want. I think I have been pretty straight forward in what I said. And for the last time, I am not a Jimmy non-fan. I am rather neutral on Jimmy. As you can see by my critiques.

We go could on ad infinitum and ad nauseum (perhaps we have reached the latter) and we will never reach a meeting of the minds on this subject. I agreeably disagree with you both.

Larkster - I can't remember whether you have chosen to cancel your membership. I hope not. If you have then I hope you reconsider. If you don't reconsider then I wish you well. I will miss your posts here on the forum, and I hope you find a new site that better fits your desires.

Coxy57 - I hope you reconsider your decision to cancel your membership. Your posts are invigorating to the forum. If you carry through with your plans to cancel then I wish you well, and hope that you find a new site that better fits your desires.

 

[coxy57]

I have never claimed him to be the face of the site. Mark or someone wrote that at the launch of BSB2.0 on April 2. I have no idea whether they meant that literally or figuratively. I presume the latter because if someone is the face of a product or service, theirs is the only face you see representing that product or service. Jimmy has only been in 22% of the scenes. I have never called you or anyone who says they are bored by, what you refer to as Jimmy's same old same old a Jimmy hater. I'd like you to refer me to some posts of people who support Jimmy in which they call Jimmy non-fans Jimmy haters. I would never assume that you or anyone hate Jimmy.

You know I respected and took your opinions seriously until this post. If you can honestly tell me you have never read a post refering to jimmy haters then I have to assume you do not read many posts. I do not have the time to list the dozens or more time members have been referred to as jimmy haters.

 

[coxy57]

I have never claimed him to be the face of the site. Mark or someone wrote that at the launch of BSB2.0 on April 2. I have no idea whether they meant that literally or figuratively. I presume the latter because if someone is the face of a product or service, theirs is the only face you see representing that product or service. Jimmy has only been in 22% of the scenes. I have never called you or anyone who says they are bored by, what you refer to as Jimmy's same old same old a Jimmy hater. I'd like you to refer me to some posts of people who support Jimmy in which they call Jimmy non-fans Jimmy haters. I would never assume that you or anyone hate Jimmy.

I changed my mind and did bother to get you an example. You wonder why I find it hard to take you seriously when you post like this, then look up mikeyanks reply to YOUR post # 12 on Sept 29. To quote him " enough of jimmy haters ".
It took all of a couple minutes to find an example and it was addressed to you.

 

[mikeyank]

I changed my mind and did bother to get you an example. You wonder why I find it hard to take you seriously when you post like this, then look up mikeyanks reply to YOUR post # 12 on Sept 29. To quote him " enough of jimmy haters ".
It took all of a couple minutes to find an example and it was addressed to you.

You "outed" me Coxy. You found me in less time than it took to find Moammar Khadafy, Osama bin Laden, or Saddam Hussein.

I'm sorry if "hater" is too strong a word, but I would hazard a guess that 90% of your posts are about Jimmy, and you always pound away the same negative things about him, so excuse me if I used the wrong term. Would you call yourself a "strong Jimmy disliker"?

And is it all that much worse to be called a Jimmy hater, than for you to call his fans a Jimmy worshipper? I don't really have an answer. I am just asking the question.

I am fascinated by you Coxy, as you always seem angry. I don't recall ever reading any light hearted posts by you. You seem to take this all so seriously, like we are discussing issues of the world. To me it is porn, and I enjoy talking about it, and even intelligently debating it with folk's who have different sexual desires than I do, and find model's and scenes not hot, which I find incredibly hot.

I did look at the list of your statistics showing all of your posts and I found two posts of a similar nature, with one directed to our former director David and one towards the former whipping boy of the forum, the late Mike Robbins. These are your post's from the past with the date and title of the threads,

3/16/11
referring to one of David's last scene's here featuring Mikey & Jayden, you commented :
"Yeah, great job by Broke Straight Boys as long as Tyler and David got to see one of the hotest cum shots on Broke Straight Boys the hell with the members.
I am starting to understand why they got rid if David, he does not seem to care about the members any more. I hope Tyler did not go."

2/24/11
Then on the "Mike R. & Sean" thread :
"PLEASE let this be the last time we see Mike Robbins.
He would be easier to watch if he actually used his mouth for something other then talking. We have NO doubt he is not gay. All he does is top and yap."

So I have to say that you are consistent in your negativity on the forum, but you do entertain me, and as I said yesterday, i would rather you change your mind and stay here for a while, and if you do leave, quite frankly I think you will be missing the site and the forum, and wondering what is going on here.

But getting back to the original point, i do confess to using the term "Jimmy haters", in the past. If that is an offensive term to anyone, I do apologize.

 

[lesit78]

You "outed" me Coxy. You found me in less time than it took to find Moammar Khadafy, Osama bin Laden, or Saddam Hussein.

I'm sorry if "hater" is too strong a word, but I would hazard a guess that 90% of your posts are about Jimmy, and you always pound away the same negative things about him, so excuse me if I used the wrong term. Would you call yourself a "strong Jimmy disliker"?

And is it all that much worse to be called a Jimmy hater, than for you to call his fans a Jimmy worshipper? I don't really have an answer. I am just asking the question.

I am fascinated by you Coxy, as you always seem angry. I don't recall ever reading any light hearted posts by you. You seem to take this all so seriously, like we are discussing issues of the world. To me it is porn, and I enjoy talking about it, and even intelligently debating it with folk's who have different sexual desires than I do, and find model's and scenes not hot, which I find incredibly hot.

I did look at the list of your statistics showing all of your posts and I found two posts of a similar nature, with one directed to our former director David and one towards the former whipping boy of the forum, the late Mike Robbins. These are your post's from the past with the date and title of the threads,

3/16/11
referring to one of David's last scene's here featuring Mikey & Jayden, you commented :
"Yeah, great job by Broke Straight Boys as long as Tyler and David got to see one of the hotest cum shots on Broke Straight Boys the hell with the members.
I am starting to understand why they got rid if David, he does not seem to care about the members any more. I hope Tyler did not go."

2/24/11
Then on the "Mike R. & Sean" thread :
"PLEASE let this be the last time we see Mike Robbins.
He would be easier to watch if he actually used his mouth for something other then talking. We have NO doubt he is not gay. All he does is top and yap."

So I have to say that you are consistent in your negativity on the forum, but you do entertain me, and as I said yesterday, i would rather you change your mind and stay here for a while, and if you do leave, quite frankly I think you will be missing the site and the forum, and wondering what is going on here.

But getting back to the original point, i do confess to using the term "Jimmy haters", in the past. If that is an offensive term to anyone, I do apologize.

Mike, I think Coxy could use a group hug.

Coxy, some of us really like you and I'm one of the Coxy likers. I know you don't like Jimmy, but I doubt there will ever be a site you ever join where you will like 100% of the models in 100% of the scenes.

 

[JLipps4u]

Ya'll are a riot, still talking about this! It's just like grade school, he said, but you said, yes but you said, but he said, because you said, etc,etc,etc. Thanks for the entertainment!

 

[tampa24]

Ya'll are a riot, still talking about this! It's just like grade school, he said, but you said, yes but you said, but he said, because you said, etc,etc,etc. Thanks for the entertainment!

It has almost descended to the level of: "I know you are. But what am I?" LOL

It gets us nowhere. But it is entertaining. Kind of like watching a cat chase its own tail.

 

[larkster]

We go could on ad infinitum and ad nauseum (perhaps we have reached the latter) and we will never reach a meeting of the minds on this subject. I agreeably disagree with you both.

Larkster - I can't remember whether you have chosen to cancel your membership. I hope not. If you have then I hope you reconsider. If you don't reconsider then I wish you well. I will miss your posts here on the forum, and I hope you find a new site that better fits your desires.

Coxy57 - I hope you reconsider your decision to cancel your membership. Your posts are invigorating to the forum. If you carry through with your plans to cancel then I wish you well, and hope that you find a new site that better fits your desires.

Thank you Stowe1. I have not nor would not cancel my subscription over a model on a site. And I have already voiced my support for models that have been bad mouthed like Darren. But I just think if Coxy57 or any other member have a genuine complaint, it should be addressed beyond lets agree to disagree. The administration is strangely absent in this conversation. So, I've done what I can to offer my support and I am at peace.

 

[coxy57]

Thank you Stowe1. I have not nor would not cancel my subscription over a model on a site. And I have already voiced my support for models that have been bad mouthed like Darren. But I just think if Coxy57 or any other member have a genuine complaint, it should be addressed beyond lets agree to disagree. The administration is strangely absent in this conversation. So, I've done what I can to offer my support and I am at peace.

Thanks for the support but you face attack by jimmy fans. I replied to Stowe1 when he asked for an example of someone referring to jimmy haters and again his fans go on the attack. I gave him an example as he asked and mike goes into one of the jimmy fans defense calling me negative using a quote from 8 months ago. As for the administration, I have contacted Chuck and NO ONE at administration cares if they are losing members they will not even reply.
As I have said - unless you are a fan of jimmy's you are not intitled to an opinion on this site. This blog is titled " enough of jimmy's mouth " and still we are not entitled to post. I send a post addressed to Mark and mike replies, I send a reply to Stowe and mike replies. What's the sense.

 

[angelone]

An Impasse.

What to do, what to do? The one thing that is being accomplished so far is that we are talking - writing - about what irks us about Broke Straight Boys But it seems like nothing can be done about it. We are in an impasse! Time may be the only thing that solve this impasse. The actors can grow old and drift away, the subscribers can also move to another site or convert, newbies can appear and save the day, and/or Broke Straight Boys can transform into BSB3. Anyone of these options may occur with time or maybe not and something else unforseen will happen. The one thing I do know is that this controversy will go like any other before it into the sands of Broke Straight Boys history.

 

[stowe1]

We go could on ad infinitum and ad nauseum (perhaps we have reached the latter) and we will never reach a meeting of the minds on this subject. I agreeably disagree with you both.

Larkster - I can't remember whether you have chosen to cancel your membership. I hope not. If you have then I hope you reconsider. If you don't reconsider then I wish you well. I will miss your posts here on the forum, and I hope you find a new site that better fits your desires.

Coxy57 - I hope you reconsider your decision to cancel your membership. Your posts are invigorating to the forum. If you carry through with your plans to cancel then I wish you well, and hope that you find a new site that better fits your desires.

You know I respected and took your opinions seriously until this post. If you can honestly tell me you have never read a post refering to jimmy haters then I have to assume you do not read many posts. I do not have the time to list the dozens or more time members have been referred to as jimmy haters.

I changed my mind and did bother to get you an example. You wonder why I find it hard to take you seriously when you post like this, then look up mikeyanks reply to YOUR post # 12 on Sept 29. To quote him " enough of jimmy haters ".
It took all of a couple minutes to find an example and it was addressed to you.

Thank you Stowe1. I have not nor would not cancel my subscription over a model on a site. And I have already voiced my support for models that have been bad mouthed like Darren. But I just think if Coxy57 or any other member have a genuine complaint, it should be addressed beyond lets agree to disagree. The administration is strangely absent in this conversation. So, I've done what I can to offer my support and I am at peace.

Thanks for the support but you face attack by jimmy fans. I replied to Stowe1 when he asked for an example of someone referring to jimmy haters and again his fans go on the attack. I gave him an example as he asked and mike goes into one of the jimmy fans defense calling me negative using a quote from 8 months ago. As for the administration, I have contacted Chuck and NO ONE at administration cares if they are losing members they will not even reply.
As I have said - unless you are a fan of jimmy's you are not intitled to an opinion on this site. This blog is titled " enough of jimmy's mouth " and still we are not entitled to post. I send a post addressed to Mark and mike replies, I send a reply to Stowe and mike replies. What's the sense.

Coxy57- My post cited as first above, was and is intended to be my final word on this topic. We have passed the ad nauseum threshhold and I am going no further because I would then venture into territory in which I don't want to go and have argued against in this forum. But I would like to point out that what I said was the I never called anyone a Jimmy hater and yes I did ask for an example and thank you for giving me one. In your post to larkster quoted above last I would urge you to pm Mark who owns the site if you want to contact management. As far as mikeyank responding to your post to me, he has a right to comment on any post. I am now responding to it since when you posted I was offline. I can recall no one in any post on any thread that has told you that you are not entitled to post. On the contrary, I and others have urged you to stay and continue to post. But you have decided to leave of your own free will so I hope you are happy on whatever new site you find.

Larkster - glad you are staying and as I said earlier I look forward to your continued posts on the forum. All we on the forum can do is express our views and we will either agree and disagree (aqgreeably). Change can only be effected by Mark, the site owner and I would suggest that anyone with serious concerns contact him directly. A toast to the future!!!