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Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl released

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It's a disgrace that the Republicans are making a political issue out of this. We should all welcome him home as well as every soldier that comes home. We should thank all those involved in his release and not get into a 30 day notice to the fools in Congress.
 
Dear joey
What is happening in America ? The front of my yahoo home page main topic page..Kim K.,,Ann B, Davis died for us older guys.
No mention of him unless you really looked. Very sad.....What happened to the 200 little girls.that were kidnapped?
Wish I knew the answer. Head in the sand. Better off on the forum or with a good book. I care wanna do something.
But I think we need to work hard at keeping ourselves together. The government in America is kinda fucked. But still ...
Better here than lot of places. Maybe by Monday the press and TV morning shows need a big story And will start showing him off.
 
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he was captured in a war by the enemy. how could anyone in good conscience leave a man in the hands of the enemy. the enemy in negotiation with their government negotiators offered an exchange. sgt. bergdahl to be released for some prisoners being held in cuba. the prisoners could only be released to a willing third-party nation. the enemy as part of negotiations released a united states soldier and the united states agreed to sent 5 men to a country willing to watch them until they die.
sgt. bergdahl is free and coming home!
this nation has a long running rule that says, we do not negotiate with terrorist. what if the terrorist are the enemy the nation has been fighting since 2001? what if that enemy in talks with the government ask if the release of a united states soldier would show talks to end the conflict are serious. the government as a show of good faith would suggest the release to a willing third-party nation of a number of prisoners being help in cuba? the united states agreed. was that negotiating with terrorist?
welcome home, soldier!
sgt. bowe bergdahl,
a grateful nation, thanks you for your willingness to serve and for your service!
 
I'm so glad to hear that he has been released. Republicans will see if they can get some political beneifit out of claiming Obabama violated the law by not giving Congress 30 day's notice. These negotiations were so sensitive and prone to failure that I have no doubt somebody in Congress (or their staff) would have leaked it to the media either intentionally or passively. Then the whole deal would have fallen through. Do you think any Republican congressman who hates Obama and opposed letting any Guantanamo prisoners go free, would have waited 30 days before trying to scuttle the deal by running to the press and drawing national and international attention to it?

I don't like the deal we made and the price we may still pay for letting those terrorists go free. But it got our soldier home. And for that I'm happy. :)

Welcome home Sgt. Bergdhal! :thumbup1:
 
the deal did not return prisoners to the enemy. the deal sent prisoners to a willing third-party nation. a prison in cuba may be better than a willing third-party nation. they are welcome until they die or until they try to return to terrorists ways, however soon either should occur. a cough in the wrong place could bring charges of crimes against the state.
to be locked in your room forever or to be sent to live on aunt badass' farm.
we are talking dig a hole here level individuals.
as deals go, one of ours is coming home.
 
one of ours for 5 of them says something. We are worth more! Glad he is home safely. Now there are those who want to put him in prison here for leaving the base without permission. Didn't he suffer enough?
 
the deal did not return prisoners to the enemy. the deal sent prisoners to a willing third-party nation. a prison in cuba may be better than a willing third-party nation. they are welcome until they die or until they try to return to terrorists ways, however soon either should occur. a cough in the wrong place could bring charges of crimes against the state.


I understand Another1. I certainly hope that part of the deal holds.

Realistically though we are talking about expert terrorists with tens of thousands of supporters. They can provide these guys with fake ID's, fake passports, and plenty of money for bribes to police officers, judges, border guards and so on. Who among us is really so naïve as to be shocked or surprised if one of these days we read that one or more of the released prisoners has managed to flee Qatar for parts unknown?

I still support the deal because it got our serviceman home. The more worldly side of me is still cautious though because releasing these prisoners could come back to bite us in the future.
 
As a Veteran of the Viet Nam era I am in total agreement with this exchange. Look back in history and see how our POW's were tortuously treated during their confinement in Viet Nam. We were trained at that time that if we were captured, we were only to give our name, rank and serial number. Two of my comrades at our base committed suicide when they received their orders to be shipped out to Viet Nam.

Exchanges such as this are common during an active fighting war situation. The President exercised his executive authority as the Commander in Chief of all the Armed Forces.

Trust me on one thing. Do you not think that with all of our intelligence and technology, the ones released will not be monitored constantly by our country and our allies?

One of our soldiers is coming home. He is coming back to a family, town and country who have waited five years for his return. As Americans and humanitarians, we must celebrate, and not politicize the manner in which all this came about.

Peace to all Nations which strive for freedom and allow their citizens to achieve their dreams for a better life.

Peace,
Louis
A Proud Veteran
 
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Thank-you Amother1 for explaining in detail the circumstances of his release. And thank-you Louis for your inside input on this matter. I must say though, I have never heard of this soldier until this week. Did anyone else here know we had a captive soldier there?
 
Yes. I remember when he was captured in 2009. The military launched a sweeping manhunt for him. It had been so long though that I really had no idea of his fate. I wasn't sure if they had killed him or if they had already swapped him in some hush-hush deal that we would never hear about. When the story broke in the past few days I couldn't hardly believe he had been held for 5 years.
 
Terry Waite commented on Sgt Bs release the other day. He said that Guantanomo (spell check) bay is one of the biggest disasters America has had a part in and that all the prisoners should be released. I wouldn't go that far, but the then government could have handled it better.
 
I am a JFK Democrat believing in a strong national defense and the honor of our military. I have supported President Obama in about 95% of his policies, domestic and foreign. I am not a Republican seeking political points. But on this one he was wrong. Below is a link to a detailed and thorough article on this issue, including the history of this matter and the current situation. I would urge all who are interested in the facts of the case to read it.


http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/03/u...=Full&region=Marginalia&src=me&pgtype=article


My comments:

1. Bergdahl is no war hero and to attribute that status to him is an insult to every genuine war hero this country has ever witnessed and honored. War heroes are the men who fought to establish this country; fought to preserve it at Gettysburg; stormed the beaches at Normandy on D-Day (70 years ago this Friday); stayed in the Ardennes at the Battle of The Bulge; endured the Bataan Death March; fought to raise the flag on Iwo Jima; fought at Inchon; and stayed the course in Viet Nam.

2. He is a deserter who slipped out of his post leaving ample evidence of why he was doing what he did. He had no weapons with him. And, in fact, he had even sent home to his parents his personal things before he left the camp. I call that planning ahead.

3. Soldiers lost their lives in the obsessive search for him.

4. He has been with the Taliban for 5 years. Why now have they decided to bargain for his "release"?

5. To release 5 Taliban officials for him is way too much, especially taking into consideration that several of them are very high ranking leaders.

6. The agreement with Qatar relating to these Talibanese is for only one year and is only as effective as they choose to enforce its provisions and we are capable of monitoring him, neither of which give me any great comfort. Even the President has said it is absolutely possible for them to slip back in to terrorist networks.

But the deal is done and we will have to live with the consequences. Hopefully the Senate Foreign Relations and Intelligence Committees will investigate this matter thoroughly. There are many questions to be asked and answered, not the least of which is how rigorous will Bergdahl's debriefing be. We must be as certain as we can possibly be that he has not been turned a la Brody. Don't think it can't happen. It's part of covert espionage and modern statecraft in the world shaped by terrorism in which we have to deal.

At least the Army seems to be somewhat sane at the moment, saying that he might very well be brought up on desertion charges.

Time will tell!
 
Hi, Stowe,

I'm very much appreciating your perspective on this. I fear, it is going to turn out to be a pretty complex matter, when all is said and done.

It appears, from what his comrades have attested, that Sergeant Bergdahl was not a hero, and that actions he took may have jeopardized the lives of his fellow-soldiers. That being said, I am not without sympathy for him (even if these reports prove to be true): for I honestly could not say what I would have done, faced with those sorts of pressures. (I am not equipped to be a soldier, and God help me, should I ever have to spend time in a theatre of war - even as a civilian.)

All of that being said, I am fully in agreement with the many commentators who suggest that Sergeant Bergdahl must be given an opportunity to rest, and recuperate, and then state his case, before the world at large, condemns him. The truth is seldom simple, and there may be more to this than we know. It is my understanding that the U.S. Army is investigating the allegations, in question: and I think we ought not leap to judgement before that investigation has concluded, and its evidence has been presented. . . and before Sergeant Bergdahl has had the opportunity to defend himself.

In answer to Jon's comment - I, personally, have no qualm about the lengthy hospitality extended to a number of individuals, at Guantanamo Bay. At least, that's what I said to Dick Cheney, at lunch on Tuesday ;-)))*

"A" XOXOXOXOXOXO

*P.S. A little more seriously, Jon - I would break down the Guantanamo Bay detention issue into three parts - and you (and others) are absolutely welcome to disagree with me on any of these three points:
1.) I think that, in time of war, the U.S. was fully within its rights to detain these individuals, and question them, at length.
2.) I fear, however, that many of the individuals detained were not accorded their full rights under the Geneva Conventions - particularly the right to have their case and status judged by a competent tribunal.
3.) I fear that some of the individuals detained MAY ACTUALLY have been either innocent, or, if not innocent, guilty of far lesser crimes than those of which they were accused. . . and, in the event, never had the opportunity either to profess their innocence, or to clarify the circumstances under which they cooperated with hostile forces.

This is, of course, a bad thing. And then there is the question of realpolitik; id est, how much practical GOOD, did these dententions do, the U.S. (and allied) cause?

Cheney believes (I think honestly, though he isn't my favourite luncheon-companion, notwithstanding the above) that MUCH valuable intelligence was garnered from the detainees. Critics suggest that almost NO valuable intelligence was obtained. I suspect, the truth is somewhere in the MIDDLE.

However, it is certain that the operation of Guantanamo has exacted certain costs, upon the U.S. cause, in terms both of propaganda, and the further radicalization of hostile populations.
 
Thank you Ambi!

You've given us a very balanced view of the situation sitting from your perch above the U.S. border. You aren't as tempted or tainted by the U.S. political extremes to go into well rehearsed ideological talking points, propaganda or rhetorical and frivolous sound bites. In so much of our news cycles sadly enough this parochial silliness, shallowness and often hypocritical pettiness all masquerades as professional journalism and serious grownup adult public debate. It's very sad that our country is mired in this mode of political dialog and general political inertia.

I trust that military tribunals will get to the bottom of all the facets of Sgt. Bergdhal's case. I will await their findings and any punishments (if warranted) they decide to mete out to him. If none are forthcoming from official military investigations then I will say, "God bless him!" and let him life his life in peace. Until then I will not let the talking heads on the 24 news channels sway me as they try to convict, sentence or exonerate him in the court of public opinion.
 
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Hello, I'm back from a break. I wanted to comment here as I also am a veteran and want my one cent read.

1. We bring back ALL of our fellow brothers in arms no matter what the state of mind they are in. This has always been the rule and we can't change it because we now have a black President.

2. The young man in question has a right to due process accorded all people in this country. Habeas Corpus is still in effect here no matter what the Patriot Act states.

3. The men at Guantanamo Bay have been stuck there with no charges brought against them. They are in a no man's land and as long as they are there they are out of sight out of mind. Again, these individuals are being deprived of their rights of due process. We have successfully prosecuted terrorists before many times over in this country. Does Timothy McVeigh ring a bell?

4. As for the five men we let out, we do have things called drones that we use to kill (again with no due process accorded them). I would imagine they would be safer at Guantanamo Bay.

Again, just opinions and not facts.
 
I find this whole situation unusual. I am suspicious of our government, they are not always forthright in telling us the truth. I suspect there is much more to this event than what we will know. I have to trust that the people in charge had a good reason for making this decision.
 
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