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Denny Bear
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I didn't recall hearing it when I first watched the video so I went back and sure enough there it is. The next and most shocking thing was to hear that it came from David. I sincerely hope this will not set off a fire storm of racist comments but I agree his comment is entirely uncalled for should not be allowed on this or any other site. I have always had the best faith in David and his excellent work as I will in the future but in this case I believe he owes the viewers an apology. I would also highly recommend removing the video from the site until it can be edited to remove this comment so this unfortunate incident can be buried forever. Our people are the brunt of to many hateful comments in this world already. We should not allow ourselves to become the purveyor of hurtful speech.
While I agree that that word isn't necessary I also have to say that those who were "offended" and want David to apologize are going too far.
The context in which David used the word was in NO WAY racial. He was basically, "help a buddy out". AGAIN, I agree, the word isn't necessary but it was in no way used offensively.
We all love this site because it's "real" and their "straight". If you ever hang around younger, straight white guys, they say that ALL THE TIME in a non-racial manner. David's banter with the guys has to make them feel comfortable and at the time, what he said fit the situation. It's the context in which it's used. AGAIN, I agree, the word isn't necessary (I have to keep saying that just in case).
Asking for an apology... and an edit... and to claim to be offended is just too much. Just dont watch that video then.
Of all the things said and done in these videos and THAT offended you?
The context in which David used the word was in NO WAY racial. He was basically, "help a buddy out". AGAIN, I agree, the word isn't necessary but it was in no way used offensively.
We all love this site because it's "real" and their "straight". If you ever hang around younger, straight white guys, they say that ALL THE TIME in a non-racial manner. David's banter with the guys has to make them feel comfortable and at the time, what he said fit the situation. It's the context in which it's used. AGAIN, I agree, the word isn't necessary (I have to keep saying that just in case).
Asking for an apology... and an edit... and to claim to be offended is just too much. Just dont watch that video then.
Of all the things said and done in these videos and THAT offended you?
Grguy31, Are you serious? Are you comparing sex acts to a racially insensitive word? That word was use to degrade black people for MANY years and David had no right to use it in any context. ASG had a similar issue and they quickly edited the video and apologized, I feel that an apology and an edit is warranted in this example.
I certainly refuse to do business with a company that would use such a word, because it makes them feel 'COMFORTABLE'? Brokestr8boys is a business and you dont use language like that in a professional business.
Yes I'm serious.
Comparing the way David used a SLANG version of the word that means something totally different to younger people today to the ugly version of the word used in slave times is ridiculous. (Thank you for letting me know the history of the word, I had no idea....lol)
YOU empowered this word today. Just like Denny Bear, I didnt notice the word used until you said something. We didn't notice because it WASN'T USED IN AN UGLY OR RACIAL WAY.
Younger people today call things they don't like "gay". Now they don't mean that it's "homosexual", they just mean it ain't cool. Now that seems silly to me but I get it and am not offended because you have to hear the context in which it was said. SAME THING with what David said. He wasn't degrading an african american in the film or even referring to one.
The difference here is that you and I and aren't even talking about the SAME word. David said a word that ended in the letter A. Had he said it ending with "er" I would be with you totally.
Unfortunately, you made this word a big deal. Now others will read this thread, etc and more people hear it and read about it. YOU empowered the word. I think a better action on your part would have to contact the site owners directly.
Comparing the way David used a SLANG version of the word that means something totally different to younger people today to the ugly version of the word used in slave times is ridiculous. (Thank you for letting me know the history of the word, I had no idea....lol)
YOU empowered this word today. Just like Denny Bear, I didnt notice the word used until you said something. We didn't notice because it WASN'T USED IN AN UGLY OR RACIAL WAY.
Younger people today call things they don't like "gay". Now they don't mean that it's "homosexual", they just mean it ain't cool. Now that seems silly to me but I get it and am not offended because you have to hear the context in which it was said. SAME THING with what David said. He wasn't degrading an african american in the film or even referring to one.
The difference here is that you and I and aren't even talking about the SAME word. David said a word that ended in the letter A. Had he said it ending with "er" I would be with you totally.
Unfortunately, you made this word a big deal. Now others will read this thread, etc and more people hear it and read about it. YOU empowered the word. I think a better action on your part would have to contact the site owners directly.
grguy31 is 100% correct. I don't use the "N" word and being Jewish and Gay, I have no place in our society to judge and make racial comments. Just like grguy31, the younger generation uses the word *niggah* as an acceptable slang word and it does not offend black people. Our society has changed and there are many new slang words out there that may insult others but its not offensive. This word I don't use on a daily basis, but when you hang around guys 18-23 years old, the use of certain slang words are used and I guess that day it kind of rubbed off on me. As you hear me speak it, I don't use the word in hate, I use it as a fun way for the guys to get there groove on.
I can understand why many would feel that this term is a racial slur, but in noway it was meant to be a derogatory remark against black Americans.
I can understand why many would feel that this term is a racial slur, but in noway it was meant to be a derogatory remark against black Americans.
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Thank you!!! We also have a black male intern that worked with us all summer and when the other models used that slang word...he did not get offended either....
It was used in a non-racial way and here in this office we do not tolerate any type of prejudice in any form. D&E Productions/BluMedia Studios is an equal opportunity employer. On our team we have straight guys working with gay guys and straight females working with lesbian women and we are all different in our own way. We have Latino, black & white employees and we all get along from all different races and religions on staff!
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ukguy1
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I hang with a lot of younger guys at work, When I were there age the use of certain words that were derogatory are now excepted today.
I dont know about the USA but in England for example the word Gay has a new terminology
Many kids call things and each other gay, this now means for someone or something to be weird , strange or silly etc.
There are a lot of people who like to jump on the band wagon of "human rights" etc without understanding what is being said and in what context it is used.
The world would be a lot happier place if people would remember not to throw stones inside a glass house.
I dont know about the USA but in England for example the word Gay has a new terminology
Many kids call things and each other gay, this now means for someone or something to be weird , strange or silly etc.
There are a lot of people who like to jump on the band wagon of "human rights" etc without understanding what is being said and in what context it is used.
The world would be a lot happier place if people would remember not to throw stones inside a glass house.
ukguy1
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I just reread the above comments and I am sorry to grguy31 I some how missed your message, we spoke of the same thing about the gay word. sorry mate.
joninliverton
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I have not watched this one yet and knowing David he probably didn't mean it in a hatred form. However, as I stated on another thread, David's tounge in cheek remarks are getting a bit close to the edge and could (and have in this this occasion) upset some of the members. I am certainly not from the Politically Correct (PC) brigade of righteous biggots however, I know from my own experience at work, that you have to be carefull not to upset your customers, otherwise they will shop elsewhere.
If someone in the UK was to refer a black guy as a nigger then all hell would break lose as this is now considered a highly offensive and racial word. Maybe in this case an edit wouldn't be a bad thing.
If someone in the UK was to refer a black guy as a nigger then all hell would break lose as this is now considered a highly offensive and racial word. Maybe in this case an edit wouldn't be a bad thing.
Denny Bear
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After reading David’s reply to this thread earlier today I have spent the day mulling this over, as I am somewhat shocked at his comments. At one point even considering dropping my Broke Straight Boys membership.
First let me say that I fully realize the comment was not meant to be derogatory in any way, nor do I believe that anyone at Broke Straight Boys is a racist in any sense of the word. I fully understand that the comment was only made in a joking manor, and I have always supported David and his staff and always will. But this does not make it right. At first I did not believe that the word nigga could have migrated so far as to be considered slang. I asked a few of my friends around the area where I live including some in Omaha, NE if they had ever heard of it being ok to say this in a public forum. Including one person that is currently dating an African American and they all found it offensive. So while it may be considered ok in some parts of the country it is certainly not universal. I then plugged it into Google and was surprised to find that yes it is considered to be in some cases acceptable slang however is considered very controversial. It sickens me to think we have become that complacent.
Someone mentioned how the kids today are saying things like oh that’s so gay which is also disgusting. If we did not consider ourselves gay would they still say it that way? I don’t care what you think about whether they mean it as a joke or not they are saying it because they feel that being gay is wrong or perverted and that then means the comment is derogatory. It’s simply a sugar coated way of saying Fagot and if we allow it to keep happening then we deserve it. So now if no one had ever said the word nigger would we still hear them say nigga, hell no. It is still derogatory no matter how you spell it and you have only allowed yourself to tolerate it by calling it slang.
Ok next step, we have all gotten used to people saying fuck, fuck this, fuck that, ext ext. But I don’t seem to hear it while walking down the aisles at Wal-Mart, why not? Do you stand up at church on Sunday and yell fuck yes? Why not after all it is considered to be simply slang now, isn’t it. You say you only use the nigga word now and then, why not? If it is nothing but slang why not run up and down the streets screaming it? My hope is you would not do this because it would not be acceptable in public. Well Broke Straight Boys is public and just like your local Wal-Mart store with paying customers who should not have to tolerate being offended. But it was just you and one other person that was offended. The fact is no one will ever know how many people were or will be offended by the comment. People generally choose to not speak out about things like this. Just how many paying customers are considered an acceptable loss for something stupid.
I close my novel by saying I was pleased to see Pooh875 mention that he was not offended by the comment and also David mentioned that some office staff had not been offended either. Let me just ask one question, how do you think your grand parents would feel about it? It reminds me of a very famous quote. Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
First let me say that I fully realize the comment was not meant to be derogatory in any way, nor do I believe that anyone at Broke Straight Boys is a racist in any sense of the word. I fully understand that the comment was only made in a joking manor, and I have always supported David and his staff and always will. But this does not make it right. At first I did not believe that the word nigga could have migrated so far as to be considered slang. I asked a few of my friends around the area where I live including some in Omaha, NE if they had ever heard of it being ok to say this in a public forum. Including one person that is currently dating an African American and they all found it offensive. So while it may be considered ok in some parts of the country it is certainly not universal. I then plugged it into Google and was surprised to find that yes it is considered to be in some cases acceptable slang however is considered very controversial. It sickens me to think we have become that complacent.
Someone mentioned how the kids today are saying things like oh that’s so gay which is also disgusting. If we did not consider ourselves gay would they still say it that way? I don’t care what you think about whether they mean it as a joke or not they are saying it because they feel that being gay is wrong or perverted and that then means the comment is derogatory. It’s simply a sugar coated way of saying Fagot and if we allow it to keep happening then we deserve it. So now if no one had ever said the word nigger would we still hear them say nigga, hell no. It is still derogatory no matter how you spell it and you have only allowed yourself to tolerate it by calling it slang.
Ok next step, we have all gotten used to people saying fuck, fuck this, fuck that, ext ext. But I don’t seem to hear it while walking down the aisles at Wal-Mart, why not? Do you stand up at church on Sunday and yell fuck yes? Why not after all it is considered to be simply slang now, isn’t it. You say you only use the nigga word now and then, why not? If it is nothing but slang why not run up and down the streets screaming it? My hope is you would not do this because it would not be acceptable in public. Well Broke Straight Boys is public and just like your local Wal-Mart store with paying customers who should not have to tolerate being offended. But it was just you and one other person that was offended. The fact is no one will ever know how many people were or will be offended by the comment. People generally choose to not speak out about things like this. Just how many paying customers are considered an acceptable loss for something stupid.
I close my novel by saying I was pleased to see Pooh875 mention that he was not offended by the comment and also David mentioned that some office staff had not been offended either. Let me just ask one question, how do you think your grand parents would feel about it? It reminds me of a very famous quote. Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
i2ina69
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Not to be picky, but buy my clock it was 4:25. But anyway, I being raised with two half black sister's I was a fended. It is just the way I was raised. Dave you may have meant it in a different way but still it was said. But I'll get over it. As a wise old indian once told me, you must learn to forgive. And Dave I do. Thankx Ma! See I did listen, some times anyway.
I don't choose to write often anymore because the presence of my name seems to draw immediate negative reactions from some of you. However, as a member of the Modern Language Association and a researcher in words and their ever changing uses and meanings, I must tell you when a word is in transition there will never be agreement on it simply because everyone hears it differently. A few years ago the mayor of Washington D.C. fired his white assistant for accusing the U.S. Senate of being niggardly in the distribution of budget monies to the District of Columbia. Niggardly is a perfectly legitimate word meaning stingy. It was not heard that way and created quite a scandal until the error was discovered. Its similarity to another word caused it to be heard differently. On a more relevant note, and with regard to how my grandparents would feel, let's say this: my grandparents went to see a musical with Fred Astaire called "The Gay Divorcee" and thought it was lovely. Were they alive today and the movie was released, they would avoid it all costs. As to the word in question, those of us in our sixties-plus had grandparents who, although they might not have used the word, would certainly not have been disturbed by it. No matter how disgraceful that it is to our ears, sixty years ago it was the vernacular.
To my point. My grandparents heard one thing when they heard "gay," I heard something else, my son hears something totally different. Better example: when I say "hardware" to my son he hears disc drive and printer, I hear nuts and bolts, my grandfather heard axe handles. I can't judge what my son hears based on what I hear or on what my friends hear because we are listening with different ears.
This goes beyond generation, it goes to gender. When a man says he's sorry, he means "I did it, I'm sorry." When a woman says "I'm sorry," she means "I'm sorry this happened to you." It's proven. I duplicated the research for a paper during my Masters. It's why when hubby comes home and says "I ran out of gas coming home today," and the wife says, "I'm sorry." He gets upset because he thinks she means "It's my fault," when all she means is, "I'm sorry you had a problem." Believe it or not, this is the cause of nearly a third of heterosexual arguments. It also goes to class and, it also goes to race. And, it also goes to sexual orientation. We all hear things filtered through our sexual, social, and ethnic make-up.
My conclusion? I don't think anyone who has been listening to David for longer than a few months believes him capable of making anything other than an off-handedly streetwise remark in the language of these 'models' to make them more comfortable in performing. Nobody really believes him to be a racist. I think we may be hearing something we don't want to hear and assigning meaning to it more akin to our own generations than to those being addressed.
Before galloping into the sunset, it might be wise to dismount and enjoy the view. "Righteous Indignation" is a difficult horse to slow once he's at full speed.
Rifle
You know, it hasn't been long since I was called "Pathetic Queer," "Mary Bitch," and "Cunt" on this forum. No one was asked to apologize to me. In fact, many of you complimented him on his rant and criticized me for my sarcasm. It's one of the reasons I choose not to write often.
To my point. My grandparents heard one thing when they heard "gay," I heard something else, my son hears something totally different. Better example: when I say "hardware" to my son he hears disc drive and printer, I hear nuts and bolts, my grandfather heard axe handles. I can't judge what my son hears based on what I hear or on what my friends hear because we are listening with different ears.
This goes beyond generation, it goes to gender. When a man says he's sorry, he means "I did it, I'm sorry." When a woman says "I'm sorry," she means "I'm sorry this happened to you." It's proven. I duplicated the research for a paper during my Masters. It's why when hubby comes home and says "I ran out of gas coming home today," and the wife says, "I'm sorry." He gets upset because he thinks she means "It's my fault," when all she means is, "I'm sorry you had a problem." Believe it or not, this is the cause of nearly a third of heterosexual arguments. It also goes to class and, it also goes to race. And, it also goes to sexual orientation. We all hear things filtered through our sexual, social, and ethnic make-up.
My conclusion? I don't think anyone who has been listening to David for longer than a few months believes him capable of making anything other than an off-handedly streetwise remark in the language of these 'models' to make them more comfortable in performing. Nobody really believes him to be a racist. I think we may be hearing something we don't want to hear and assigning meaning to it more akin to our own generations than to those being addressed.
Before galloping into the sunset, it might be wise to dismount and enjoy the view. "Righteous Indignation" is a difficult horse to slow once he's at full speed.
Rifle
You know, it hasn't been long since I was called "Pathetic Queer," "Mary Bitch," and "Cunt" on this forum. No one was asked to apologize to me. In fact, many of you complimented him on his rant and criticized me for my sarcasm. It's one of the reasons I choose not to write often.
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Dearest Rifle,
I am so pleased to read anything you write I also deal in language I find the use of "that's so gay" to be so offensive i call it out everytime i hear it. I think anything that takes away from a more generous society is harmful. i understand that the majority of the models on Broke Straight Boys are streetwise and the use of the word in no way offends them and in no way was meant to offend anyone who subscribes to the forum. I also think useless drama is negative as well. My deepest feeliing is this will never come up again. I also believe Dave when he says that the emplyment at D and E represents a large diversity of people and good all over them for that
I am so pleased to read anything you write I also deal in language I find the use of "that's so gay" to be so offensive i call it out everytime i hear it. I think anything that takes away from a more generous society is harmful. i understand that the majority of the models on Broke Straight Boys are streetwise and the use of the word in no way offends them and in no way was meant to offend anyone who subscribes to the forum. I also think useless drama is negative as well. My deepest feeliing is this will never come up again. I also believe Dave when he says that the emplyment at D and E represents a large diversity of people and good all over them for that
Thank you Rifle for pointing this out. What amazes me is that certain members are taking this on the defensive.
Let me take this time to point out some issues that *I* have with certain members. I know many of you are paying members of this site and yes *I* realize that we are operating a business and I truly appreciate ALL our members that patronize all our sites. For those that were offended by my remarks...I deeply apologies but I say again, it was not meant in a hateful way. I have many friends of different race & religions and none of them were offended. The fact of the matter is that its a common slang word used by the younger generation.
As for *my* issue with certain members who come to Broke Straight Boys site and watch this site...lets not forget, this is a PORN site! and nothing is "decent & proper" about porn! Secondly I'm actually sick and tired of hearing about my "racists" remarks, that was in no way any form of being racists, so what amazes *me* while I'm being called a "racists" on this site, lets not forget about when I film many black Americans for Broke Straight Boys site. For one, anytime I film a black guy on Broke Straight Boys site, its one of the lowest ratings on the site compared to when I film a white guy. Secondly, when I do film a black guy on this site...we receive several private emails commenting on, "why do we have Niggers" on our site (and this quote came directly from a members email to me) and WE as a company have to hear and read emails from our own members bashing us privately in regards to having black models on our site. We have received several hate emails from paying members telling us its a wasted update, were canceling our membership, I was accused of turning the Broke Straight Boys site into a all black site. I was told that if I continue filming and updating the site with black guys, that many members will cancel there membership and this came directly from many, many of our members. Heck..I just got off the phone a few days ago with a member that has been on the site for many years and he thanked me that we know longer film and updated the site with "black guys" and then afterwords he remarked that he wasn't a racists....LOL.
Lets not call the "kettle black" when we have many members on this site that are TRUE racists and prefer NOT to see black models on our site and send us numerous racists emails. Personally I like black guys and I don't have a problem with them on the site...but to satisfy our "paying members", we don't bring them onto the site due to the backlash we as a company receive. Now who's the racists?
Let me take this time to point out some issues that *I* have with certain members. I know many of you are paying members of this site and yes *I* realize that we are operating a business and I truly appreciate ALL our members that patronize all our sites. For those that were offended by my remarks...I deeply apologies but I say again, it was not meant in a hateful way. I have many friends of different race & religions and none of them were offended. The fact of the matter is that its a common slang word used by the younger generation.
As for *my* issue with certain members who come to Broke Straight Boys site and watch this site...lets not forget, this is a PORN site! and nothing is "decent & proper" about porn! Secondly I'm actually sick and tired of hearing about my "racists" remarks, that was in no way any form of being racists, so what amazes *me* while I'm being called a "racists" on this site, lets not forget about when I film many black Americans for Broke Straight Boys site. For one, anytime I film a black guy on Broke Straight Boys site, its one of the lowest ratings on the site compared to when I film a white guy. Secondly, when I do film a black guy on this site...we receive several private emails commenting on, "why do we have Niggers" on our site (and this quote came directly from a members email to me) and WE as a company have to hear and read emails from our own members bashing us privately in regards to having black models on our site. We have received several hate emails from paying members telling us its a wasted update, were canceling our membership, I was accused of turning the Broke Straight Boys site into a all black site. I was told that if I continue filming and updating the site with black guys, that many members will cancel there membership and this came directly from many, many of our members. Heck..I just got off the phone a few days ago with a member that has been on the site for many years and he thanked me that we know longer film and updated the site with "black guys" and then afterwords he remarked that he wasn't a racists....LOL.
Lets not call the "kettle black" when we have many members on this site that are TRUE racists and prefer NOT to see black models on our site and send us numerous racists emails. Personally I like black guys and I don't have a problem with them on the site...but to satisfy our "paying members", we don't bring them onto the site due to the backlash we as a company receive. Now who's the racists?
I avoided commenting on this thread for a while. Not because I was waiting to see which way the wind blew but because I hoped the issue would quickly blow over. Seeing as it probably won't end soon I must support David on this. Obviously any time someone uses any derivative of the N word they tread on dangerous ground as far as the sensitivities of the listener(s). I don't like hearing it from the youth even in its diluted form.
The crux of the matter here is whether we believe David is a racist or if he meant the word in a racist way. I think the majority of us, including myself, agree that he is not and did not. Like many of you I didn't even catch the word until it was pointed out to us. Probably because it was not said with any malice that would have caught my attention.
David is also absolutely right when he points out that whenever he puts a black model in a scene that he gets hate mail. And lest anyone try to say that that is the work of only a small minority of the membership then they need only look at the ratings. David says that he has no problem hiring black models and has tried to do so several times. For his efforts he sees the scenes get lousy ratings and then he gets inundated with racist rants from paying customers.
David is not a racist. He did not mean the word in a racist way. He used it in a non racial colloquial way. I understand those who would like to put a stop to the use of the N word in any form. I applaud you for that and I support your cause. If we could retire certain words from daily usage by a referendum vote I would surely vote to do away with the N words. But those of you who are criticizing David are beating up on the wrong guy. And I think deep down you realize this even as you do it.
The crux of the matter here is whether we believe David is a racist or if he meant the word in a racist way. I think the majority of us, including myself, agree that he is not and did not. Like many of you I didn't even catch the word until it was pointed out to us. Probably because it was not said with any malice that would have caught my attention.
David is also absolutely right when he points out that whenever he puts a black model in a scene that he gets hate mail. And lest anyone try to say that that is the work of only a small minority of the membership then they need only look at the ratings. David says that he has no problem hiring black models and has tried to do so several times. For his efforts he sees the scenes get lousy ratings and then he gets inundated with racist rants from paying customers.
David is not a racist. He did not mean the word in a racist way. He used it in a non racial colloquial way. I understand those who would like to put a stop to the use of the N word in any form. I applaud you for that and I support your cause. If we could retire certain words from daily usage by a referendum vote I would surely vote to do away with the N words. But those of you who are criticizing David are beating up on the wrong guy. And I think deep down you realize this even as you do it.
Thank you Tampa24, your comments to this thread summed it up perfectly!
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