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There seems to be an almost "universal" call or request on the forum for models to "return the favor" particularly orally and often anally in all scenes on Broke Straight Boys I would like to offer an opposing point of view.

There are many gay and bisexual men who consider themselves total tops or bottoms, and this can include being an active or passive cocksucker as well. I very much enjoy watching a believable straight guy receiving head, or being jerked off by an oral bottom and never "returning the favor". There are many websites who exclusively offer scenes of non-reciprocal cocksucking, usually of a straight guy getting sucked off by a guy, and I find these scenes very hot.

When I was renting VHS tapes, I enjoyed Old Reliable Studios, Bobby Garcia, Dirk Yates and others which featured young straight guys being serviced by a gay guy. When I finally got my first computer in 2000, and searched for my kind of gay porn, I found Military Classified, where the owner Rob would bring in straight young soldiers to strip, jerk off and be sucked by Rob, and sometimes Rob would bend over and take the straight guy's dick in his ass, while they watched straight porn.

I also became a member in 2000 of Brandon Marley's site, "Like em Straight". By searching X-tube I have found many other sites featuring similar action. In fact last night a friend of mine sent me a brief X-tube clip of a straight guy getting naked and jerking off to straight porn on a computer. The site it is from is called "Defiant Boyz." and the clip he sent me is
http://www.xtube.com/watch.php?v=1FwPe-G657-

I understand that the majority of member's here are not as turned on as I am by watching a straight, apparently disinterested young man being sucked off by a gay guy, while watching pussy porn, there is a segment of the porn loving gay population who very much get's into this type of scene. And the same goes for anal sex scenes. I loved watching the late Mike Robbins on BSB1 who was criticized and even "vilified" by many on the forum, for being adamant about never being fucked. He tried it once, and said, "no no", and never went though with it. As I recall Mike was criticized, and caused an "uproar' on the forum by his detractors, very similar to the "Jimmy controversy" that seems to crop up now whenever one of his scenes are released.

We also had "Tank" Shane who David would tease at the beginning of each of his scene's asking if he was ready to be fucked, and Shane would shake his head and say "No". Mike Robbins was fired apparently because he was not wiling to bottom, and Shane once agreed to do it, and I found the scene totally non erotic, as Shane was a very handsome, masculine young "top" who only bottomed as he was forced to, in order to keep the gig at Broke Straight Boys I was never a big fan of the very popular Diesal, but I know that he bottomed once with Jimmie Slater, (my friend Ms. K's favorite all time model), but David told us that Diesal would not do it again. I keep reading forumites mention the Daxter & Rabib scene, as one of their all time favorites. Daxter had a big dick and fucked Rabid very hard, but he too was strictly top.

My point is that I am sure that I am not the only Broke Straight Boys fan who does not require or desire to see all models stroke and be stroked, suck and be sucked, and certainly fuck and be fucked, to be happy. And I definitely don't get it when folks say that it is "unfair" or that a model does not "earn his salary" if he is exclusively a top both orally and anally. To this subscriber, it is much hotter for me to see a believably straight guy receive the pleasure, while the other guy gives the pleasure. I think it is fair, and erotic and that if the top gives me pleasure watching him "get off", then he certainly deserves his paycheck just as much as the bottom.

I don't expect people who feel differently to agree with me, but I did want to present the other side of the coin. Just as I know many heterosexual guys, who "don't get it", why a gay guy would want to kiss or suck or fuck another guy, I am frustrated when other gay guys, "don't get it" why someone would want to only give head, or get fucked without being reciprocated. It is a great big wide world out there, with all kinds of fetishes and desires, and I consider it small minded when someone cannot see another person's perspective, even if it does not agree with their's.
 
MikeYank: You make some very valid points. I am one of those who likes to see both guys get a little head, but also a firm believer that I am not the only person watching these scenes. I think this site is trying to make sure we all get a little of our favorite porn. Thanks for your comments.
 
I agree. Each person is different and should be respected for that difference whatever it may be. Straight boys are as complicated as gay ones and I for one enjoy all the varieties straight boys come in, i.e., some suck, some fuck, others don't do either-they just lay there and are serviced. OK, that's fine with me and hope others as well.
 
Mike,
vhs tapes and dirk yates. i have dozens of dirk yates private collection on vhs tapes. i keep promising myself i will someday save them to disk.
i am into watching sex. i am a voyeur. because i am turned on to men, i almost all the sex videos i watch have men in them. i say almost all because i find a woman performing oral on a woman very sexy. my taste is eclictic. i also like watching women pegging men. bi-sexual and just a little straight stuff into the mix.
this subject has more sides than a rubic cube.
i remember sex ads that read, greek active, french passive.
which was i top, you suck!
sometimes, it was hey, i'll suck you, but no kissing.
then at other times, it was i don't do this often, but would you top me?
everyone should be free to engage in sex with whom every they choose and to choose what activities they will engage in and what acts they will perform.
all the better for me if they do it on camera.
i am a selfish, liberterian voyeur!
 
I largely agree with you, Mike. I've been a member of all the sites you mentioned, and have found various scenes in them all to be very hot. I don't need a guy to reciprocate all the time in order for me to find his scenes hot, especially if he is really hot himself. But I do feel, however, that the more scenes a guy is in, at some point he needs to reinvent himself and "stop holding out" in order to re-introduce excitement and hottness into his scenes. After watching the same guy do the same exact thing(s) scene after scene, and never mix it up, it tends to get boring.

I loved Mike Robbins at first, but after awhile he always did the exact same thing without ever mixing it up. We knew he would suck, get sucked, and fuck...period. No kissing, no experimentation outside that which he already did. After awhile, I found his scenes really boring as a result, because how many times can you watch the same guy get sucked. It's kind of like watching paint dry to me after awhile.

If you're a creature of habit, and don't mind change, then I can see why it's no problem if they don't up the ante so to speak. But for those of us, like myself, who welcome change with welcome arms (especially change for the better), after awhile we expect and actually demand, change (or for lack of a better word, "upgrades" to a model's performances).

I am actually a HUGE fan of Diesal's, and I have no problem with him being strictly a top. In fact, I PREFER Diesal to only be a top. To me, if Diesal started getting fucked, it would make him seem way too "gay" for me, and I would no longer think of him as the total straight guy stud that he is. I love how Diesal occasionally gets passionate, and kisses. To me Diesal is the perfect example of the perfect star re-inventing himself where needed.

I think my only problem with Drake, is I don't really like him to begin with. To me I have a hard time relating to him as a straight guy because let's face it, he is WAY too into himself and his looks to be totally believable as a straight guy (I know there are millions of straight guys who are really into their looks, but I guess the neon orange spray-on all over tan is more where I'm going with this). He looks fake to me, almost plastic.

So when you have those two strikes against you (in my opinion only), only receiving the blow job and then only fucking with no other reciprocation, I guess it's just another strike against him in my book.
 
Mikeyank - you have a fellow traveller here. As I've stated in more than a few posts on some recent threads, given the nature of my coming out process, many of my gay encounters were with straight or bi- hustlers or escorts. In the terminology of the 70's and 80's many were french passive (get their cock sucked) and greek active (would top). They were not french active (give blow jobs) or greek passive (get fucked). For me it's all about the personna and vibe a person gives off as to whether or not I'm turned on by a guy who is versatile. I'm a big 'ole bottom and I love anal scenes. There are few solos scenes that get my juices flowing and oral scenes I can take or leave depending on the people involved and how creative they can be. Jimmy has the personna and gives off the vibe (at least to me) as one of those guys from my past. I could care less if he ever sucks another dick and I pray to the gods that he never, ever, bottoms. That would ruin the pleasure I derive from watching his scenes. Some guys, Darren and Jason come to mind, are hot whether they top or bottom. Some bottoms, Colin comes to mind, I want to see top because I think he would be a hot top. Just as my man, Rob, who is a bottom second to none, is a great top and I hope he tops more on cdudes real soon.

You're right in that there is a wide world out there and there are many variations on a theme. And a site like this can never please all of the people all of the time. If it can please some of the people all of the time or, more likely, some of the people some of the time, then over time we will all get to experience that for which we signed up.
 
Life is all about making adjustments

Dear Mikeyank,

Thank you for your patience for those that have other expectations and, even though you disagree, you are always supportive and generous. We are all fortunate to have someone with your wisdom and tolerance on this forum. Speaking for myself, I realize that, like an atomic powerplant, my rods become overheated from time-to-time and I find it hard to be as accomodating as I should be. Certainly, you have the perfect right to see those scenes that appeal to your innate preferences just the same as I have or we all have as members. Perhaps I have failed you as a friend not supporting your preferences as much as you have supported mine. To that end I humbly apologize and say I will do better in the future.

You made a perfect case today for your point of view and I cannot feel anything but respect for you! I guess being human, I need a wake-up call from time to time extending my tolerance to others like you who differ mostly about issues of taste. Afterall, we are all here essentially for the same reasons! We love beautiful, sexy men! Thanks for helping me get my head on straight, if the rest of me is anything but straight.


Sincerely,


Stimpy
 
Dear Mikeyank,

Thank you for your patience for those that have other expectations and, even though you disagree, you are always supportive and generous. We are all fortunate to have someone with your wisdom and tolerance on this forum. Speaking for myself, I realize that, like an atomic powerplant, my rods become overheated from time-to-time and I find it hard to be as accomodating as I should be. Certainly, you have the perfect right to see those scenes that appeal to your innate preferences just the same as I have or we all have as members. Perhaps I have failed you as a friend not supporting your preferences as much as you have supported mine. To that end I humbly apologize and say I will do better in the future.

You made a perfect case today for your point of view and I cannot feel anything but respect for you! I guess being human, I need a wake-up call from time to time extending my tolerance to others like you who differ mostly about issues of taste. Afterall, we are all here essentially for the same reasons! We love beautiful, sexy men! Thanks for helping me get my head on straight, if the rest of me is anything but straight.


Sincerely,


Stimpy
I sent you a private message Stimpy. But I would also like to say here thank you very much for your understanding and your support. You are a very good man, with a heart of gold, and I am very fortunate to have made your acquaintance here. :thumbup:
 
I truly believe that there are 'tops' and 'bottoms', the 'versatiles', (IN MY OPINION) have not decided which suits them better. Having said this, I am of the belief that just because one is a 'bottom', this DOES NOT give him carte blanc to lay there and EXPECT the 'top' to do everything that he would like done to him(the bottom). Rather, in order that they BOTH can receive pleasure, they SHOULD have a mutual understanding of what the 'top' is WILLING/NOT WILLING to do, the same holds true for the 'bottom'.
 
Reciprocity and selfishness

I think this issue is being boiled down to a much too simplistic and superficial level. There is a much higher reason for asking for reciprocity than has been presented here. I ask for reciprocity in terms of giving a damn whether or not your partner is enjoying the experience. If you don't give a damn about your partner in the act, then you are, officially, an unmitigated "selfish lay." I can't think of much that is worse than a selfish lay--might as well be some kind of prison act--but if anyone would like to argue why being a selfish lay is a good thing, then I'm certainly willing to listen.

If someone wants to be strictly a top or a bottom, fine. Regardless of which you choose, however, I believe you should at least have some passing familiarity with the other side so as to have a friggin' idea what it feels like in that role. Then maybe, if you are just too dense to actually pay attention to and pick up on the signs of your partner, you'll have a clue what things might make the experience enjoyable or not-so-enjoyable for the other person. I have been very consistent most of my posts about both people getting pleasure out of the experience, and my comment here is right in line with that. This seems to be a facet of the discussion that is sorely lacking a lot of the time. People are in their camps for or against certain models when the real issue is the behavior those models engage in which suggests they are selfish. It's not about "tit for tat: if you fuck, you should get fucked." The issue is "do you have any clue what things you should and should not do while fucking someone such that they have a pleasant experience?" So, for all of you commenting here, I ask you "Is this so unreasonable?"
 
Not unreasonable!

I don't think you're being unreasonable Navelluver and I get your point! But there is another side to your coin, as well In my introduction I made it very clear why I joined Broke Straight Boys I enjoyed my encounters with straight acting gays who were totally into giving/receiving pleasure to/from me, but dammit there was always that gorgeous straight guy who wouldn't, and that was fine with me, albeit frustrating. I always wondered if he would have enjoyed the experience as much as I had.

So, when I got my trusty iPad, I went looking for sites that would satisfy my curiosity about straight guys. Lo and behold, I found BSB1! I started watching all the archived scenes and liking very much what I saw. When I came across the Tank Shanes, Diesals and Mike Robbins, I said OK, maybe there are members out there who like this! But when I saw Mike and Diesal finally bottom, I nearly wet my pants! This is what I wanted to see, but did their behavior change after they had bottomed? No! They just didn't like the pain, or have their masculinity threatened anymore. Mike went right on fucking guys fast and furiously. Diesal, gentle soul that he is, kept using "Gigantor" to drill hole after hole the same way he always had.

I still want reciprocity, but like you I want reciprocity of pleasure. Am I going to get it all the time? FUCK NO! Not while every member has their own horn to toot and the right to toot it! So, let's what the next update brings! BEEP! BEEP!
 
I don't think you're being unreasonable Navelluver and I get your point! But there is another side to your coin, as well In my introduction I made it very clear why I joined Broke Straight Boys I enjoyed my encounters with straight acting gays who were totally into giving/receiving pleasure to/from me, but dammit there was always that gorgeous straight guy who wouldn't, and that was fine with me, albeit frustrating. I always wondered if he would have enjoyed the experience as much as I had.

So, when I got my trusty iPad, I went looking for sites that would satisfy my curiosity about straight guys. Lo and behold, I found BSB1! I started watching all the archived scenes and liking very much what I saw. When I came across the Tank Shanes, Diesals and Mike Robbins, I said OK, maybe there are members out there who like this! But when I saw Mike and Diesal finally bottom, I nearly wet my pants! This is what I wanted to see, but did their behavior change after they had bottomed? No! They just didn't like the pain, or have their masculinity threatened anymore. Mike went right on fucking guys fast and furiously. Diesal, gentle soul that he is, kept using "Gigantor" to drill hole after hole the same way he always had.

I still want reciprocity, but like you I want reciprocity of pleasure. Am I going to get it all the time? FUCK NO! Not while every member has their own horn to toot and the right to toot it! So, let's what the next update brings! BEEP! BEEP!

I was going to respond to this post, but Tequila, you stole all of my thoughts. And you said it so much better that I ever could.

There is only one thing that I might add, and this pertains probably only to me. Your gorgeous straight guy who wouldn't return the favor and frustrated you, wouldn't have frustrated me at all. You see, I love to jack off just as much as any other form of sex. Sometimes I would jack off playing with his dick and his gorgeous body, and sometimes I would jack off at home after we parted. It was all just as good for me. I know that must sound strange to a lot of people, but it's just me. I learned a long time ago that if I was going to major in straight boys, I had to stretch my desires to accomodate, and I never have regreted a moment.

My definition of reciprocity would have to be "were both people completely satisfied". In my case, I always seemed to be.

That's in the real world. I don't think we can bring that into play with these scenes so much. These guys are only doing a job. They do what the director tells them to do, nothing less and usually nothing much more. How many times does a model tell us in the introduction exactly what we can expect to see? And they usually "feel" nothing erotic. That's not to say that some feeling can't creep into the sex all of a sudden, as we talked about on another thread. But we should not blame the models for not returning the favor. That is all on the director's shoulders. I'm going to say that again so it stands out and is not buried in a paragraph.

We should not blame the models for not returning the favor. That is all on the director's shoulders.

Great response, Tequila.
 
I think this issue is being boiled down to a much too simplistic and superficial level. There is a much higher reason for asking for reciprocity than has been presented here. I ask for reciprocity in terms of giving a damn whether or not your partner is enjoying the experience. If you don't give a damn about your partner in the act, then you are, officially, an unmitigated "selfish lay." I can't think of much that is worse than a selfish lay--might as well be some kind of prison act--but if anyone would like to argue why being a selfish lay is a good thing, then I'm certainly willing to listen.

If someone wants to be strictly a top or a bottom, fine. Regardless of which you choose, however, I believe you should at least have some passing familiarity with the other side so as to have a friggin' idea what it feels like in that role. Then maybe, if you are just too dense to actually pay attention to and pick up on the signs of your partner, you'll have a clue what things might make the experience enjoyable or not-so-enjoyable for the other person. I have been very consistent most of my posts about both people getting pleasure out of the experience, and my comment here is right in line with that. This seems to be a facet of the discussion that is sorely lacking a lot of the time. People are in their camps for or against certain models when the real issue is the behavior those models engage in which suggests they are selfish. It's not about "tit for tat: if you fuck, you should get fucked." The issue is "do you have any clue what things you should and should not do while fucking someone such that they have a pleasant experience?" So, for all of you commenting here, I ask you "Is this so unreasonable?"
Navelluver, I'm afraid that you missed the whole point of my post, when you said,

"giving a damn whether or not your partner is enjoying the experience. If you don't give a damn about your partner in the act, then you are, officially, an unmitigated "selfish lay." I can't think of much that is worse than a selfish lay--might as well be some kind of prison act--but if anyone would like to argue why being a selfish lay is a good thing, then I'm certainly willing to listen."

You are speaking about "real life" situations, involving people. I am speaking of a fantasy sex scene on a porn website. Therein lies the difference. It actually matters little to me, if a paid model portraying a straight dude get's pleasure out of the scene he is being paid to perform in. I am speaking about the pleasure of the viewer, myself, while watching a scene.

Each viewer has their own innate sense of what is hot, based on our real life experiences, and what turns me on may totally turn you off, and vice versa. My point is that it is okay and fine for you to enjoy scenes where both partners fuck and suck and that is all well and good. I would just ask you to understand that some of us, enjoy a scene where only one partner does the fucking or receives oral pleasure, and I would like you to be accepting that the entire world does not have your perspective, and to be tolerant enough to accept other's tastes and values.

Finally, I would ask you to try to understand that some people do receive pleasure from totally bottoming, and even achieve orgasm from being the passive partner and others such as myself, totally enjoy the act of sucking cock of a hot good looking partner. Although I am an older man today, I have still met over the last number of years, much younger men who consider themselves "straight" and get into having an older man, (perhaps a Daddy figure in their minds) give them a total loving blowjob while they lay back and do nothing to physically pleasure me.

These young "straight" guys are amazed at how well I suck their cocks and love the pleasure that I give them, and I (believe it or not) receive total pleasure in bringing them to the point of excitement where they may be moaning and talking sex talk while I am sucking their cock. I get a total sense of pleasure in making a handsome young man achieve his wild, mind blowing orgasm through my hand and mouth manipulations, and I actually feel totally satisfied in his post orgasmic bliss, although I did not cum myself with him in the room. And I enjoy watching similar scenes in my porn viewing, where I can relate to the guy sucking the cock, and get pleasure in watching the contortions and expressions of bliss on the face of the man getting his cock sucked.

I have never and would never ask you or anyone else to "agree" with my point of view, only to understand it and be tolerant of others who may not have your exact same sensibilities, and if a scene comes on Broke Straight Boys that is not your cup of tea, to let it pass, as other's may be totally enjoing it, and wait a few days for a scene of reciprocal love making that may turn you on, while i wait a bit for the next scene that pushes all of my buttons.

I am merely asking for understanding and tolerance, for as I said in my original post on this thread, that it is a great big wide world out there, and I feel that we must all be tolerant of other people's desires and points of view, and I would think that a gay man particularly should understand this, perhaps more than a straight one.
 
I was going to respond to this post, but Tequila, you stole all of my thoughts. And you said it so much better that I ever could.

There is only one thing that I might add, and this pertains probably only to me. Your gorgeous straight guy who wouldn't return the favor and frustrated you, wouldn't have frustrated me at all. You see, I love to jack off just as much as any other form of sex. Sometimes I would jack off playing with his dick and his gorgeous body, and sometimes I would jack off at home after we parted. It was all just as good for me. I know that must sound strange to a lot of people, but it's just me. I learned a long time ago that if I was going to major in straight boys, I had to stretch my desires to accomodate, and I never have regreted a moment.

My definition of reciprocity would have to be "were both people completely satisfied". In my case, I always seemed to be.

That's in the real world. I don't think we can bring that into play with these scenes so much. These guys are only doing a job. They do what the director tells them to do, nothing less and usually nothing much more.
How many times does a model tell us in the introduction exactly what we can expect to see? And they usually "feel" nothing erotic. That's not to say that some feeling can't creep into the sex all of a sudden, as we talked about on another thread. But we should not blame the models for not returning the favor. That is all on the director's shoulders. I'm going to say that again so it stands out and is not buried in a paragraph.

We should not blame the models for not returning the favor. That is all on the director's shoulders.

Great response, Tequila.
Wow Buckeye1, while I was typing my response to Navelluver, you had posted much the same message as I did. I highlighted the part where you and I both expressed the satisfaction we can get out of giving pleasure to a man that we are turned on by, and we both also said that there is a huge difference between the real world and the fantasy world of gay porn on Broke Straight Boys, which is a fantasy site that tries to closely approximate real life, but these are just young actors, who are out to make a buck, and do a job as they are directed to do by Clay.

And thanks to Tequila too, for getting my basic point in this thread. :thumbup1:
 
And great response, Mike!

I wish I could write as well as you guys. That goes for you too, navelluver. Awsome writing, man.
 
Navelluver, I'm afraid that you missed the whole point of my post, when you said,

"giving a damn whether or not your partner is enjoying the experience. If you don't give a damn about your partner in the act, then you are, officially, an unmitigated "selfish lay." I can't think of much that is worse than a selfish lay--might as well be some kind of prison act--but if anyone would like to argue why being a selfish lay is a good thing, then I'm certainly willing to listen."

You are speaking about "real life" situations, involving people. I am speaking of a fantasy sex scene on a porn website. Therein lies the difference. It actually matters little to me, if a paid model portraying a straight dude get's pleasure out of the scene he is being paid to perform in. I am speaking about the pleasure of the viewer, myself, while watching a scene.

Each viewer has their own innate sense of what is hot, based on our real life experiences, and what turns me on may totally turn you off, and vice versa. My point is that it is okay and fine for you to enjoy scenes where both partners fuck and suck and that is all well and good. I would just ask you to understand that some of us, enjoy a scene where only one partner does the fucking or receives oral pleasure, and I would like you to be accepting that the entire world does not have your perspective, and to be tolerant enough to accept other's tastes and values.

Finally, I would ask you to try to understand that some people do receive pleasure from totally bottoming, and even achieve orgasm from being the passive partner and others such as myself, totally enjoy the act of sucking cock of a hot good looking partner. Although I am an older man today, I have still met over the last number of years, much younger men who consider themselves "straight" and get into having an older man, (perhaps a Daddy figure in their minds) give them a total loving blowjob while they lay back and do nothing to physically pleasure me.

These young "straight" guys are amazed at how well I suck their cocks and love the pleasure that I give them, and I (believe it or not) receive total pleasure in bringing them to the point of excitement where they may be moaning and talking sex talk while I am sucking their cock. I get a total sense of pleasure in making a handsome young man achieve his wild, mind blowing orgasm through my hand and mouth manipulations, and I actually feel totally satisfied in his post orgasmic bliss, although I did not cum myself with him in the room. And I enjoy watching similar scenes in my porn viewing, where I can relate to the guy sucking the cock, and get pleasure in watching the contortions and expressions of bliss on the face of the man getting his cock sucked.

I have never and would never ask you or anyone else to "agree" with my point of view, only to understand it and be tolerant of others who may not have your exact same sensibilities, and if a scene comes on Broke Straight Boys that is not your cup of tea, to let it pass, as other's may be totally enjoing it, and wait a few days for a scene of reciprocal love making that may turn you on, while i wait a bit for the next scene that pushes all of my buttons.

I am merely asking for understanding and tolerance, for as I said in my original post on this thread, that it is a great big wide world out there, and I feel that we must all be tolerant of other people's desires and points of view, and I would think that a gay man particularly should understand this, perhaps more than a straight one.

I completely agree with you on this, Mike. Navelluver seems to be directing his annoyance at the fact these guys aren't having sex with each other how he would want them to be having sex with him.

To me, the best porn is a voyeuristic experience that REMINDS me of personal experiences.

What I love especially in G4P porn is when it reminds me of the experiences I've had in my younger days back when I was in my 20's and was messing around with other guys in their 20's...who were always good friends of mine and always 100% straight.

If I'm watching full-on sex scenes (fucking), it reminds me instead of sex that I've had with boyfriends when I was in my 30's. Which was always with totally willing (and not straight) partners.

When I used to mess around with the straight guys, we almost always kissed though, they would often-times (but not always) suck my cock too, and a couple times I took my buddy's load in the mouth when he would cum too fast without having time to warn me so I could pull his cock out of my mouth.

The hottest sexual experiences with guys that I ever had were with the straight guys. Not to say full on sex with ex boyfriends wasn't hot, because it was, but the taboo aspect and forbidden nature of our experience was completely gone when I would do it with my boyfriends. I think a huge part of what was so hot about the trysts I used to have with my straight male friends back in the day was the fact that it was totally absolutely secretive and covert, and if I would have ever ratted any one of those guys out it would have destroyed them for life in their minds at the time. Of course I never did, and because we were close friends and they totally trusted me, that added to the hottness because of the intimacy and trust involved. In a way, I held their destiny and future in my hands by never revealing to anyone what we would do under the cover of darkness and in the fog of drunken sexual experimentation and lust.

When it comes to porn, I think the best formula is to always be mixing it up. Give everyone something to enjoy, and come back to over and over again. Porn isn't unlike a gift that keeps on giving...I sometimes go back to a few favorite scenes over and over again, and watch a few of them again to this day that were originally filmed several years ago because of how hot they are to me.

I think it's a shame when a few alpha male studs end up bottoming, or as I call it "selling out", because then the fantasy of them being my shining knight in armor from my past as a straight boy is forever shattered.

If any of my buddies from my 20's had asked me to fuck him when we were at the height of lust and experimentation, I really think I would have quickly lost interest in him sexually. It would have no longer been a huge challenge to get them coming back for more, and I would have lost that special admiration I always had for them as a straight stud. It's much the same for me in porn...generally speaking once a guy starts getting fucked and bottoming, he becomes more or less "necessary" but not jack off material. Of course there are a few exceptions like Mick and Colin, but to be honest I would have loved it if Colin especially would have remained strictly a top. Don't get offended Colin if you're reading this lol, you are amazing and I think the world of you and I know you're a freak. :) But Colin's wonderful personality, and that special unique specialness that he just has makes him an exception. Same with Mick.

Where I think Mike and I really differ, is that I love it when a top is passionate and loses himself to the moment, and suddenly finds himself occasionally kissing his partner as he's plowing him, without being prompted (like Dustin used to do occasionally). I think Mike what you prefer is to see the straight boy do nothing more than sit back, and enjoy the loving attention being spent on his cock as he's being serviced and worshipped.

But I don't view porn as I would want to be treated if it were me having sex though. If I watch porn scenes that feature two gay boys going at it, lovingly carressing and kissing each other, flip flopping, there is absolutely no straight boy aspect to it at all and it's just typical gay porn that can be seen anywhere at anytime, and widely available for free I might add on the various tube sites out there.

OF COURSE when I have sex with a man, I expect nothing less than him to reciprocate and treat me extremely well. I would never go out seeking sex with straight guys anymore now like I used to with my straight friends when we were in our 20's...but that certainly doesn't mean I don't still think back on those memories with huge levels of fondness and eroticness to this very day now that I am 42. And that's what I love about watching sexual interactions between at least one believably straight guy and his partner. In a way it takes me back to my youth, and is so hot for me to watch and fantasize about and it brings back memories. But once they start reciprocating with each other anally, the straight fantasy is completely gone. But if the alpha male always does the fucking (i.e. Jimmy), he is my fantasy straight guy...but unlike Mike I do want to see the alpha male fantasy stud do more and go further though. The only problem I ever had with Mike Robbins was that he refused to kiss. If he would have only kissed a few times, I would have loved him and remained a fan of his. I applauded that he refused to sell out (bottom), and I also to this day respect Dustin and that he refused to ever bottom in spite of the fact people (myself included) were losing interest in him for other reasons, namely the constant hat wearing to hide his baldness as well as his sudden weight gain.

I love the kissing, because me and my friends used to kiss everytime even though we never did any fucking (although they would always try to get me to let them do me, but I never gave in). So we would just do oral, more often than not there wasn't even any reciprocation on their part other than kissing...which one of my friends I think knew that the best way to get me to give in and give him a blow job was to start softening me up by kissing me, starting to tell me sweet nothings, and then slowly and strategically taking various articles of clothing off as we'd be kissing until suddenly I found that he was completely naked and throbbing while I would remain completely clothed throughout the entire experience. Which would end with me sucking his cock and licking his balls, occasionally kissing his stomach and nipples and us doing more kissing, then going back down to his cock and balls, and sucking him sometimes so well that it would catch up to him and he would accidentally shoot into my mouth before I had a chance to pull him out.

I think based on Navelluver's post, he feels that these scenes should be shown in a manner as to how he would want to be treated by his partner if it was him in the scene. That is to say, total reciprocation. But, I completely disagree with that line of thinking because to me viewing sex is not the same thing as having sex...even though there are bound to be similarities and it's hot to be reminded of previous experiences you've had personally, or perhaps fantasize about would be/might be experiences.
 
I love the kissing, because me and my friends used to kiss everytime even though we never did any fucking (although they would always try to get me to let them do me, but I never gave in). So we would just do oral, more often than not there wasn't even any reciprocation on their part other than kissing...which one of my friends I think knew that the best way to get me to give in and give him a blow job was to start softening me up by kissing me, starting to tell me sweet nothings, and then slowly and strategically taking various articles of clothing off as we'd be kissing until suddenly I found that he was completely naked and throbbing while I would remain completely clothed throughout the entire experience. Which would end with me sucking his cock and licking his balls, occasionally kissing his stomach and nipples and us doing more kissing, then going back down to his cock and balls, and sucking him sometimes so well that it would catch up to him and he would accidentally shoot into my mouth before I had a chance to pull him out.
Thank you Abe for once again expressing your intimate feelings about male to male sex. Your entire post is well thought out and eloquent as always.

However the portion that I quoted is one of the more erotic passages that I have read in a while. I have told you, and other forumites who I communicate with that the written word is generally more erotic to me than watching porn on screen.

And your passage describing your youthful, often drunk encounters with straight buddies really turned me on. I love how your buddy would kiss you to get you turned on enough, as he also did I'm sure with his girlfriend, to turn her on, and then slowly disrobe until he presented his hard young throbbing "straight boy" cock near your face until you couldn't control yourself and you took his cock in your mouth to give him the oral pleasure that he craved. The picture of a fully clothed, handsome young Abe, (as in your current avatar) lovingly sucking the cock and caressing his smooth flesh and balls, of your naked hot straight buddy is a totally "boner inspiring" tale of youthful passion to me. And when the straight boy couldn't control himself and "accidentally" lost control and fed you a mouthful of his cum, that is WAY WAY HOT!!! to me.

Thanks for giving me a moment of unexpected sexual excitement this afternoon!!! :thumbup:
 
Thank you for addressing my question, Tequila. I really appreciate it. And I do understand what you are saying. I agree that the director bears a lot of the blame when it comes to how models are portrayed in any particular scene. I do think the models have some culpability, though. I doubt anyone is telling Colin he should be as open-minded as he is. He has taken it upon himself to explore. Just a little bit of that on the part of other models would go a long way, I think, and would in no way upset their "straight" standing. It would simply help them refine what it means to be "straight" (hint: disliking anal stimulation is NOT a prerequisite for being straight).

I would respectfully disagree with you about Diesal, however. I think his demeanor during sex with other men did change after his bottom scene. It was, admittedly, a subtle change, and this is why I really wanted to see him bottom some more, but I believe he did start acting in a bit more reciprocal fashion. Mike Robbins most certainly did not, as far as I could tell, but Mike also didn't appear to bottom long enough to get over the initial pain and get to a state where other sensations could come into play. Diesal got fucked for quite a long time, and (the good) Jimmy did an excellent job of it. You could tell that Diesal was dealing with some stuff after that. I just can't believe he emerged from that not changed in some way. Someone before mentioned that David wanted Mike to bottom again, and Mike refused, and that this was one of the reasons Mike was no longer working for Broke Straight Boys I don't know, but if it is true, it makes me believe that David had a much better understanding of what this site could be, and he knew that models absolutely had to be pushed outside of their "comfort zones" for that potential to be realized. I really liked his approach. I'm sorry that this appears to have been lost in this new incarnation.
 
I completely agree with you on this, Mike. Navelluver seems to be directing his annoyance at the fact these guys aren't having sex with each other how he would want them to be having sex with him.

Sorry, Abe and MikeYank, but I'm afraid you're both very incorrect on this. I have stated multiple times in multiple threads that the thing which interests me about this site is seeing that change in perception on the part of the participants in regards to homosexuality and their own perceptions of heterosexuality. Yes, there is sexual titillation in it for me, but this is so much more to me. I am not trying to project my specific sexual desires onto these models. I want to see these "straight" guys grow out of their homophobia and come to recognize that their heterosexuality may not mean what they have been socialized to think it means.

I really urge you guys to think a bit bigger in terms of what you perceive my motives to be here.

But, let me explain why I continue to be disturbed by the way people react to this subject. To quote Abe:

But once they start reciprocating with each other anally, the straight fantasy is completely gone. But if the alpha male always does the fucking (i.e. Jimmy), he is my fantasy straight guy...but unlike Mike I do want to see the alpha male fantasy stud do more and go further though. The only problem I ever had with Mike Robbins was that he refused to kiss. If he would have only kissed a few times, I would have loved him and remained a fan of his. I applauded that he refused to sell out (bottom), and I also to this day respect Dustin and that he refused to ever bottom in spite of the fact people (myself included) were losing interest in him for other reasons, namely the constant hat wearing to hide his baldness as well as his sudden weight gain.

Abe has made it very clear that *he* likes kissing. And he says here that *he* wanted Mike to engage in kissing. One of the things that became very apparent to me early on with Broke Straight Boys-1 was that the acts which "crossed the line" for many of the models were nearly as varied as the models. Several of the models felt that kissing was far too intimate to do with another guy, but they didn't seem to have any problem with sucking a guy's dick, fucking a guy, or being fucked by a guy, all of which seem far more intimate to me (and, apparently, getting fucked is "selling out" to Abe). I always found this incredibly fascinating, and it is part of the reason I see this site as far more than just gay porn. It's really something of a psychological experiment. I also believe David recognized it was more, too, because he tried to get the models to actually explore their sexuality, and was quite successful in most cases in my opinion.

So, here is another question: why is it OK that Abe can have a problem with Mike Robbins not wanting to kiss another guy, but it is NOT OK for someone else to have a problem with a model who will never try bottoming, or never do some other act? The answer seems clear and disturbing to me: Vocal people like Abe here. Abe likes kissing, thus Abe can be upset when models don't kiss. Abe thinks getting fucked ends any and all claims to "straightness," thus it's OK when models Abe likes don't want to bottom. Others of us, not being as well-liked/known as Abe, are seen as nothing but constant complainers when we express dismay over certain models, even if the reasons for it are valid.

If the goal is truly to be tolerant of the views of other people, then it can't be the case that certain people's views on the models are acceptable while others are not. And it's definitely not right to tell someone they are upset because the models aren't having sex with each other the way he'd like to have sex with them. You have absolutely no insight into something like that.
 
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