Yeah, Caitlyn is one dumb ass mother fucker!
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I get your point (and I do not support reversal of trans protections and advancements), but Caitlyn Jenner identifies as female, not "nonbinary" or else (what the executive order is about), and she legally changed her name to Caitlyn Marie Jenner, which makes it her government name.
Oh for fucks sake. Give me a break. You know good and God damn well these people think of Caitlyn as Bruce. They don’t give a shit about her. You are constantly trying to make excuses for these shitty ass people.
You seem to add intentions to my posts. I only said that her assertion is not actually correct, and I repeatedly stated that I do not agree w/ that executive order.
Now... Would it have been possible for the Biden govt. to make those advancements and protections permanent? I mean, if the Democrats win in 2028, those advancements and protections will be reinstated, but if the Republicans win in 2032, they may be rescinded again, and it never ends.
I only call it as I see it. You do seem to lean conservative and that’s you’re right. It’s just easier to admit that and move on. You might have a handful of people that will agree with you on here, but most won’t and don’t. Most of us don’t buy the bullshit the republicans try to shell out. It’s nonsense and it’s insulting to treat us as if we’re too stupid to know they don’t give a fuck about us.
You said it in your last comment. Democrats can try to protect us until a republican comes back in office and undoes it. Do you not recognize who the bad guy is?
I told myself I would never allow this forum to upset me or make me argue with people any longer. It’s why I rarely post and when I do, it’s very minimal.
I took the political compass test three years and a half ago. Here's the result I got:
Economic Left/Right: 0.0
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.92
Tbf to Jenner according to the White House everyone living in the US is now female....
juanjo
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You are an extremely foolish person.
And you are an extremely immature person. I did not attack anybody in this thread nor did I endorse any political party. But obviously, I'm "obligated" to respond in a certain manner in an echo chamber!
Rockstar
Active Member
The order states that a person is the sex they are/were at the time of conception. It is not a reference to non-binary people. It means Jenner is still considered a dude and should be using facilities for guys, not women. Women are to be protected from men using their restrooms, etc.
The "nonbinary" and "other" options were removed from certain govt. documents; that's what I was referring to. As for this other executive order, I see what's going on, though in Jenner's case: 1. She legally changed her sex to female. 2. She legally changed her name to "Caitlyn Marie Jenner." 3. She had sex-reassignment surgery. | Those are valid points she could argue in court if that order became a problem for her. And there are limits to the power of executive orders, and those can be challenged.
Caitlyn Jenner deserves all the bullying in the world. People on the right are the ones that bully and make fun of her the most. I don’t have sympathy for her because she supports and votes for these people and maybe she needs the “fuck around and find out” lesson.
When I think of it, maybe that's what Caitlyn wanted. She had been fighting to "protect women's sports" for years now.
According to Ricardo Martinez of GLAAD, the executive orders cannot happen overnight and may be challenged (though it may be harder cause the Reps got the House and the Senate):
Several LGBTQ+ activists and organisations have denounced Trump’s executive order with GLAAD Law executive director Ricardo Martinez branding it a “direct attack on transgender Americans”.
He went on to say: “It is cruel and it is wrong. The administration is trying to create fear and sow chaos by its statements and orders but no executive action can change the fundamental truth that transgender people are vital members of our families and communities.
“A president’s powers are not unlimited. The constitution, federal courts and our democratic system serve as a bulwark against government overreach. The implementation of today’s order and others that may follow, cannot happen overnight.”
Caitlyn Jenner slammed for supporting Trump: 'He announced that you don't exist'
Trans celeb Caitlyn Jenner has been criticised for her support of Trump after he signed an anti-trans executive order: 'He literally announced that you don't exist'
www.thepinknews.com
This is also a time for reflection, and once again, I am not endorsing any party here. We've gotta ask ourselves: "Why did Kamala Harris lose?" "How much did her message resonate with those voters who did not vote for her?" "What were her strategies to combat terrorism, overall and mounting violence, gangsterism and criminality?" "What were her strategies to efficiently regulate immigration and secure borders?" "What were her strategies to perish widespread poverty and greatly improve the economy?" "What did she have in place to improve the healthcare system?"
The real question is “Why did Donald Trump win”? Because most Americans are fucking stupid. The Republican Party consist of 3 types of people. Rich people, Christians, and poor white trash who are too fucking ignorant to know that they vote against their own best interests. Trump loves the uneducated as does the Republican Party and that’s who their supporters are. You wanna know what Kamala’s healthcare plan was? What was Donald Trump’s? NOTHING! For 8 god damn years he’s been asked what his healthcare plan is and all he kept saying was “it’s coming out in 3 weeks”, and finally at the debate with Kamala he was asked what his healthcare plan was and he said “I have concepts of a plan”. In other words, he doesn’t have a plan. He just wants to eliminate the affordable care act all together and leave millions of Americans uninsured.
Things I think will happen under this new administration.
1) Afforable Care Act ended and no replacement. People with pre existing conditions will go back to being uninsured.
2) Marriage Equality overturned
3) FULL abortion ban
4) Social Security ended or age raised
5). Tariffs placed on Canada, Mexico, & China forcing an increase in prices.
juanjo
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What I am is a retired attorney who practiced law in the United States for over 40 years and I do not tolerate silliness. And you have been regularly posting silliness.
1. You are commenting on aspects of US government and governmental practices that you have no understanding of whatsoever. That is not surprising because you are Canadian and cannot be expected to know the intracacies of the US government nor how its different branches interact with each other.
2. You state things as if they were fact when they simply your opinion. Often those opinions are simply absurd on their face. Your comments about non-binary people, Ms. Jenner, and the recent executive order being an excellent example. I was particularly amsued by your posting a "test result" on your political leanings from the Political Compass. I am familiar with that self-administered, non-scientitifc online program. It is not scientific and easily manipulated by conscious and unconscious biases on the part of the person taking it.
3. I suggest you take your factually unsupported opinions which are not even supported by a logical argument and reconsider your deficiencies when it comes to discussing aspects of US politics. If you do not even know the difference between an adminstrative order and a statute or ordinance nor how these function under the Constitution, then you are, as I said, extremely foolish and saying silly things. I also suggest that you actually read and consider the responses that folks have made to you about your silliness and directly address them in a responsive, cogent fashion. Up until now, I have ignored you and your foolishness. [See No 1, above] Try and do better. You certainly have every right to express your own opinions here as does everyone else. But when you are spouting silliness, expect to be called upon it.
I see that you failed to read this article I linked earlier. It says: "The Trump administration plans to release an executive order today that would reset federal policy of what is considered an accepted gender. The White House will instruct the State Department and Department of Homeland Security, as well as other agencies to remove “nonbinary” or “other” options from federal documents, including passports and visas, according to an incoming administration official."
I simply stated that that particular executive order did not specifically refer to Caitlyn Jenner, and I said nothing incorrect there. And then, another executive order was brought to my attention, and I responded here. So back at ya with your lack of basic comprehension.
And what else did I say in my preceding posts? That I did not think Trump would be banned from entering other countries (which is correct), that he is still appealing those judgments and that conviction despite his recent losses (which is correct), and that, as a Canadian, I agree w/ liberals on certain things and w/ conservatives on other things (which is reasonable). So I fail to see the reasoning in your silly and flawed assessment.
Besides, I never claimed to know all about US politics. I'm willing to learn, and this is why I read articles and ask questions. From what I read, executive orders do not have full force as soon as signed and can be challenged. Right there, I learned something.
And what's wrong w/ sharing that test result here? A liberal American friend invited me to take that test a few years ago (he believes in it); I candidly answered the questions, and I find the result accurate (to me). I never stated it was "scientific" or that it was the answer for everyone.
Sheesh... lol
BrokeStraightBoys
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We are all adults here so I shouldn't need to say it but I need to. Please be respectful in this thread. No attacking others. We can have a good discussion here without attacking others. Thank you!
juanjo
BSB Addict
I did read the article and the Executive Order. Unfortunately you did not completely read the article or the Executive Order. The article you linked was an announcement that Trump was expected to release an Executive Order resetting federal policy on what is or is not an acceptable gender. There was nothing in the Politico article to support your suppositions concerning the order. There were not two Executive Orders released on this subject, just one. If you read the actual order when it was released, you would have noticed that section 2 of the order states that there are only two recognized sexes - male & female. It then goes on to define what is a male and a female and state that those characteristics apply at the moment of conception [which btw, is scientifically incorrect]. It then states that those characteristics are immuntable and cannot be changed after conception [also scientifically illiterate]. It then abolished any categorization of people as nonbinary, trans, etc. It concludes by discussing among other items that certain spaces that are designated as female only are restricted to women who are biological women from birth. The Executive Order did not refer to Ms. Jenner by name but it did refer to her because it referred to all trans men and women. The fact is that you really need to know the facts before you start posting opinions which may r may not be correct.
The Executive Order does have a direct impact on Ms. Jenner. Technically, her passport, assuming she has one, is now revoked if it "incorrectly" lists her sex as female. Likewise, in any interaction she might have with a federal agency, like Social Security, Midicare, etc., she has to be listed as a male. Any private or public agency that receives federal funding also has to treat her and refer to her as male.
I strongly suggest that you do not read more into a general news or opinion article that what is actually stated. The writers of the articles often use rather inprecise language in their articles. It is always best to carefully check out any source material referenced in the article. This Politico article referred to non-binary and other options and obviously what the author meant by that and what you assumed he meant by the phrasing were quite different.
Defending Women From Gender Ideology Extremism And Restoring Biological Truth To The Federal Government – The White House
By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including section 7301 of title 5, United
www.whitehouse.gov
