Bye Bye Bush!

[tampa24]

No Pardon for Libby

So what do you go who follow politics think of the fact that Bush didn't pardon Libby? I was really shocked. I fully expected him to do it. Now Cheney is publicly saying he's pissed about it. Oh well...

It's hard for me to feel sympathy for Cheney. It is true that Libby was the fall guy. Somebody had to cover Cheney's sorry behind into who leaked Valerie Plame's identity. We may never know the full truth but it's likely that it was either Dick Cheney or Karl Rove. Or both were complicit in it. In any case they needed a sacrificial lamb so they threw Libby to the wolves. Not that he was entirely innocent of course. But they were far more guilty than he.

So now Cheney is the one who has to try to make up for it to his old friend Libby. Cheney has not shown himself to be a very honorable person these last 8 years so I don't know how much help in life he will offer Libby. I guess Bush decided that he was leaving office on such a sour note already that he didn't want a Libby pardon a one of his last acts. He's so concerned about his precious legacy. Too bad that concern didn't start 8 years ago.

 

[Jayman01]

So what do you go who follow politics think of the fact that Bush didn't pardon Libby? I was really shocked. I fully expected him to do it. Now Cheney is publicly saying he's pissed about it. Oh well...

It's hard for me to feel sympathy for Cheney. It is true that Libby was the fall guy. Somebody had to cover Cheney's sorry behind into who leaked Valerie Plame's identity. We may never know the full truth but it's likely that it was either Dick Cheney or Karl Rove. Or both were complicit in it. In any case they needed a sacrificial lamb so they threw Libby to the wolves. Not that he was entirely innocent of course. But they were far more guilty than he.

So now Cheney is the one who has to try to make up for it to his old friend Libby. Cheney has not shown himself to be a very honorable person these last 8 years so I don't know how much help in life he will offer Libby. I guess Bush decided that he was leaving office on such a sour note already that he didn't want a Libby pardon a one of his last acts. He's so concerned about his precious legacy. Too bad that concern didn't start 8 years ago.

LOL. Everything happens for a reason... LOL

 

[ADK2]

Great post Tampa, and ALL the other responding members.
I thought I was the only one who actually would feel sick to my stomach anytime that; stupid, self fornicating anal orifice would appear on TV. I had to wait to read about it the next day all the while cringing. I was embarassed of the administration for 8 LOOONNNG years.
Loved the boos to Bush at the inaugaration, and Baracks' excellent, well crafted, intelligent and elegant speech. FINALLY a real President!

 

[tampa24]

Great post Tampa, and ALL the other responding members.
I thought I was the only one who actually would feel sick to my stomach anytime that; stupid, self fornicating anal orifice would appear on TV. I had to wait to read about it the next day all the while cringing. I was embarassed of the administration for 8 LOOONNNG years.
Loved the boos to Bush at the inaugaration, and Baracks' excellent, well crafted, intelligent and elegant speech. FINALLY a real President!

Thanks ADK2,

Welcome to the forum!

 

[ADK2]

You're right,but, it's only been a dozen days, and I have to vent to get it off my chest. Carried that weight 8 years.

 

[slimvintage]

Ya know guys, if we continue to talk (and think) about the man who left the White House, and who affected our lives in a bad way, then he is really still having an effect, isn't he? Like a bad dream, I want to forget him, and throw all my support and allegiance behind the new man we put into office legally, because I really do want change, and I have the "Audacity To Hope" for a better future than our recent past!

M&M I, BTGOJ, QMOTF

We all began to forget him as soon as it became evident that BHO was unquestionably going to win. For me that was nearly a year and a half ago ago, so it's been a while now. But Bush is like the Holocaust. You have to keep the human tragedy of Bush's 8 years ever present--in which an entire people collaborated, dumbly, sheeplike, under the illusion of a cowardly "patriotism", fearful and retrograde--in order for anything like it never to happen again.

To me the fact that the first 8 years of the new millennium saw a man enter the WH who came right out of Darwin's Origin of the Species, is like something you'd rather see in a science fiction horror movie.

On a very personal level the man appalled me. Go figure. Imagine for a second what really turned me into a wildeyed, obsessive grammar, spelling and syntax freak. Hey, you guessed it first time!!

 

[Jayman01]

Ya know guys, if we continue to talk (and think) about the man who left the White House, and who affected our lives in a bad way, then he is really still having an effect, isn't he? Like a bad dream, I want to forget him, and throw all my support and allegiance behind the new man we put into office legally, because I really do want change, and I have the "Audacity To Hope" for a better future than our recent past!

M&M I, BTGOJ, QMOTF

Thank you M&M I.

 

[mitch768292]

Man you folks are vicious. Where does such hatred come from?I think history will reveal that he kept us safe. He had balls. I don't think the current president has the balls to protect us. I hope I am wrong.

I disagreed with President Bush on:

1. Immigration
2. The war
3. Too much government spending

I miss President Reagan. I voted for McCain.

Here is a surprise for some of you:

October 26, 2004

Elisabeth Bumiller
The New York Times

"President Bush said in an interview this past weekend that he disagreed with the Republican Party platform opposing civil unions of same-sex couples and that the matter should be left up to the states."

"Mr. Bush has previously said that states should be permitted to allow same-sex unions, even though White House officials have said he would not have endorsed such unions as governor of Texas. But Mr. Bush has never before made a point of so publicly disagreeing with his party's official position on the issue."

"In an interview on Sunday with Charles Gibson, an anchor of "Good Morning America" on ABC, Mr. Bush said, "I don't think we should deny people rights to a civil union, a legal arrangement, if that's what a state chooses to do so." ABC, which broadcast part of the interview on Monday, is to broadcast the part about civil unions on Tuesday."

Bush signs gay rights bill


By Andy Birkey 12/30/08 10:17 AM
Call it a Christmas present for gay and lesbian couples. President Bush signed the Worker, Retiree and Employer Recovery Act of 2008 (WRERA) two days before Christmas. The new law makes it mandatory for businesses to roll over retirement benefits to a same-sex partner in the event of the employee’s death.
Previously, employers could decline and surviving same-sex partners would have to pay tax on the inheritance of the deceased partner’s retirement savings. Legally married heterosexual couples automatically avoid that tax penalty.
National LGBT rights groups hailed the move. “This legislation secures much-needed protection for lesbian and gay couples,” said Human Rights Campaign President Joe Solmonese. “Our community faces unique challenges in preparing for retirement because we are denied Social Security spousal and survivor benefits. Protecting our hard-earned retirement savings is even more crucial to us, and until now, the tax code made it that much harder.”

 

[gremlin2k08]

Thank you Mitch for a well thought out post!! I agree and am curious to see how the upcoming months and years will unfold..... I too voted for McCain.... Another thing that people need to be aware of is that most presidential acts take several months if not years to affect the general public. The effects of what has been happening to our economy has stems back into the Reagan Administration as well as the previous Bush and Clinton Administration. Granted that The former Bush did not address the issue with upmost urgency, the fact remains that it happened and the PEOPLE allowed it to spiral. Just like with the great deppression, people panicked at the sudden change in economic structure and made a run on the banks and stock market. THIS IS WHAT CAUSED A LOT OF THE ISSUES WE ARE FACING!!! Its like a pebble being thrown in a still pond.... you have the sudden impact and then several inches outward you see the ripples spreading out from the impact. That is what is happening now. A sudden shock has sent ripples in the economy. The ripples will continue to happen with greater intensity until we the people calm down!! Then and only then will our economy stabilize..
Also for the record, the dow has been fluctuating over the last several months and any good economist knows that that means the market is bottoming and now is the best time to invest!! This will help jump start the economy and allow the market to soar back to new and better heights

 

[Jayman01]

Man you folks are vicious. Where does such hatred come from?I think history will reveal that he kept us safe. He had balls. I don't think the current president does not have the balls to protect us. I hope I am wrong.

I disagreed with President Bush on:

1. Immigration
2. The war
3. Too much government spending

I miss President Reagan. I voted for McCain.

Here is a surprise for some of you:

October 26, 2004

Elisabeth Bumiller
The New York Times

"President Bush said in an interview this past weekend that he disagreed with the Republican Party platform opposing civil unions of same-sex couples and that the matter should be left up to the states."

"Mr. Bush has previously said that states should be permitted to allow same-sex unions, even though White House officials have said he would not have endorsed such unions as governor of Texas. But Mr. Bush has never before made a point of so publicly disagreeing with his party's official position on the issue."

"In an interview on Sunday with Charles Gibson, an anchor of "Good Morning America" on ABC, Mr. Bush said, "I don't think we should deny people rights to a civil union, a legal arrangement, if that's what a state chooses to do so." ABC, which broadcast part of the interview on Monday, is to broadcast the part about civil unions on Tuesday."

Bush signs gay rights bill


By Andy Birkey 12/30/08 10:17 AM
Call it a Christmas present for gay and lesbian couples. President Bush signed the Worker, Retiree and Employer Recovery Act of 2008 (WRERA) two days before Christmas. The new law makes it mandatory for businesses to roll over retirement benefits to a same-sex partner in the event of the employee’s death.
Previously, employers could decline and surviving same-sex partners would have to pay tax on the inheritance of the deceased partner’s retirement savings. Legally married heterosexual couples automatically avoid that tax penalty.
National LGBT rights groups hailed the move. “This legislation secures much-needed protection for lesbian and gay couples,” said Human Rights Campaign President Joe Solmonese. “Our community faces unique challenges in preparing for retirement because we are denied Social Security spousal and survivor benefits. Protecting our hard-earned retirement savings is even more crucial to us, and until now, the tax code made it that much harder.”

Mitch this is great. It is nice to see that George did something right during his administration. Maybe there is hope for him after all. LOL

I disagree with GWB though. There needs to be a constitutional amendment that recognizes GLBT citizens as equal.

This does not exist. Therefore, States are not forced to follow. If the constitution is amended; the Supreme Court will have more teeth and they are the supreme law of the land.

I still think that since the US economy is already a disaster, It would be great to get more Gay rights bills through. Who gives a shit about the cost to the American economy. I really don't care about all of the financial analysis reports showing the trillions of dollars that giving GLBT couples equal rights would cost. I will quote Weird AL, "Just Eat it."

Also, there is to be separation between Church and State. If the church recognizes a marriage as being legal under God's law; The government has no right to contest the marriage...

 

[mitch768292]

Well Jayman - Bless your heart.

Same to the Gremlin.

 

[Jayman01]

Well Jayman - Bless your heart.

Same to the Gremlin.

You are welcome...

 

[tampa24]

I think it's great that he did that just before he left. It is an honorable footnote to have recorded for posterity. Also I greatly approve of his expanding U.S. aid to Africa and other third world countries to supply them with affordable AIDS medications. It has saved thousands of lives. Even some of his biggest detractors say that that was a wonderful and worthwhile achievement.

I don't think that the man was evil incarnate. I just think he was in way over his head. I still believe that when history looks back on his overall record he will be considered the worst president we've had in the last 100 years at least. He was far worse than Nixon, Herbert Hoover, or Jimmy Carter. Jimmy Carter was also in way, way, way over his head. But he didn't leave nearly the mess of historic proportions that Bush has.

I also wanted to say that I think that John McCain is a patriot and an honorable man. Just because I didn't like Bush doesn't mean that I dislike all Republicans.

 

[slimvintage]

I think it's great that he did that just before he left. It is an honorable footnote to have recorded for posterity. Also I greatly approve of his expanding U.S. aid to Africa and other third world countries to supply them with affordable AIDS medications. It has saved thousands of lives. Even some of his biggest detractors say that that was a wonderful and worthwhile achievement.

I don't think that the man was evil incarnate. I just think he was in way over his head. I still believe that when history looks back on his overall record he will be considered the worst president we've had in the last 100 years at least. He was far worse than Nixon, Herbert Hoover, or Jimmy Carter. Jimmy Carter was also in way, way, way over his head. But he didn't leave nearly the mess of historic proportions that Bush has.

I also wanted to say that I think that John McCain is a patriot and an honorable man. Just because I didn't like Bush doesn't mean that I dislike all Republicans.

Ditto. Bushy is a good ole frat boy. He reminds me of the Dekes at UNC, smooth, privileged, rich, politically retrograde, earnest, heart in the right place doing his best in a puzzled way to be good, badly misled by smarter people, tragically inarticulate and impressively hung. He was even mega-cute when he was at Yale, and the amount of dick he sported in that awful show on the carrier, got up in some kind of harness over his uniform that put into relief the presidential endowment, was impressive, if unbecoming.

As for McCain, Obama didn't run against McCain. Obama ran against "Bush" whatever "Bush" was in the minds of millions and millions of fed up, pissed off Americans. I knew Obama was gonna win the presidency long before either of the candidates was chosen in the primaries. And McCain is much better in opposition than as president. He can do the country much more good from where he is now, critiquing Obama in an above the fray way, rather than having to make the same old worn out decisions he'd have had to make as a Republican prez. And he has another enormous advantage as "leader" of his party in opposition: he was, in one fell swoop, able to shed the Governor of Alaska on his way back to the Senate.

I blame Bush for one thing, that he actually thought for one second, way back in 1999, that he could be even a remotely good president. I've known so many people like him all my life, good guys put to tests their intellects couldn't handle.

 

[richardnoggin869]

ecco homo (Behold the Man)

 

[slimvintage]

FYI newbie forumites this is a really bad in-joke, ignore it

ecco homo (Behold the Man)

dickhead, I thought we agreed that you were looking at your two willies, but it turns out you are beholding the man in your pants.

 

[richardnoggin869]

dickhead, I thought we agreed that you were looking at your two willies, but it turns out you are beholding the man in your pants.