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[JohnnyG919]

I think the early Broke Straight Boys models came from an era where it was perhaps more acceptable to express (I hate to say it, and it may not be the right word) homophobia in a vocal way, and this attitude made some of them appear very straight, which was perfect for the site's premise.

The current crop of models were born into a world that is beginning to be more accepting of all sorts of differences, so a model's straightness doesn't need to be so blatant in real life and that shows on camera. I think most of the models who come to BSB2 are very similar to the original BSB1 models, but they simply have a different attitude and demeanor.

Just my thoughts...

I think this is true to a certain degree, but I don't think for a second that we've progressed to the point where it's true across the board. There's a lot more acceptance now to be sure, but most straight guys are still seriously reluctant and more than a little weirded out to be with another guy.

I believe that much of that behavior has been scrubbed as a direct result of the reactions on this board - not because society has changed that much.

 

[mikeyank]

Clay has turned this site around. If you don't remember, go back to bsb1 videos. I had to "mute" them just to watch. Remember the guy who talked all the way through and said "cool" 27 1/2 times each video? Camera was awful and never in the right view. He was irritating. It is difficult to "stay in the moment" while someone is talking to you constantly. Then along came Miami and bsb2. Good stuff. Now we will grow and change with society. Clay is a 100% change from others. His voice is soothing, and there is very little talk up front and none during the sex. Camera work is very good. And now we have ass shots, and kissing, (making love) and passion in the videos. Thanks Clay and Mark. All is good.

All of our opinions are totally subjective. Yes, I remember "the guy" from BSB1 very well. His name was David, and I thought that he was perfect in implementing the mission statement of Broke Straight Boys Perhaps David's time came to it's inevitable conclusion, as Mark wanted to move into another direction, and David himself told us after the change was implemented, while he still had posting privliges on this forum that he had become bored with doing the same thing over and over. But my belief is that without David, and his "goofy" politically incorrect ways, this site never would have achieved the greatness that it attained and that there never would have been a BSB2 or 3 or whatever. I understand this is only my opinion and others are totally free to totally disagree.

 

[tampa24]

I think the early Broke Straight Boys models came from an era where it was perhaps more acceptable to express (I hate to say it, and it may not be the right word) homophobia in a vocal way, and this attitude made some of them appear very straight, which was perfect for the site's premise.

The current crop of models were born into a world that is beginning to be more accepting of all sorts of differences, so a model's straightness doesn't need to be so blatant in real life and that shows on camera. I think most of the models who come to BSB2 are very similar to the original BSB1 models, but they simply have a different attitude and demeanor.

Just my thoughts...

You raise some valid points there Grace. Something to consider, for sure. Thank you for sharing that with us.

I am here because I like the models that are picked. I wish some of them would stay longer but i realize I have nothing to say that will make a model stay or go. I feel like i can randomly express my opinion but i do not feel it in any way influences the management. Having said that I understand Mikeyank's feeling but I am perfectly happy not hearing a model bitch and whine about having the sex they are obviously being paid rather well to have

You've articulated my own convoluted and contradictory dilemma so well Kelly. Like Mikey, I really want the straight newbie model premise. But anymore when the models complain a lot about doing the work (especially those with more seniority) it gets on my nerves.

 

[JLipps4u]

All of our opinions are totally subjective. Yes, I remember "the guy" from BSB1 very well. His name was David, and I thought that he was perfect in implementing the mission statement of Broke Straight Boys Perhaps David's time came to it's inevitable conclusion, as Mark wanted to move into another direction, and David himself told us after the change was implemented, while he still had posting privliges on this forum that he had become bored with doing the same thing over and over. But my belief is that without David, and his "goofy" politically incorrect ways, this site never would have achieved the greatness that it attained and that there never would have been a BSB2 or 3 or whatever. I understand this is only my opinion and others are totally free to totally disagree.

Your comments are very timely and very to the point. I too am disappointed that Broke Straight Boys has become just another gay site. This is just not what I signed up for. And, while I love having the forum and the friendships I have developed over the years, this is not enough to warrant my money going to this site for much longer. The truth is, as of Sept. 1, I will be unemployed and I really can't justify holding on to this site's membership when it does not deliver what it is supposed to. So, when this renewal expires, so do I. It was swell, but, all good things come to an end, and Broke Straight Boys as we knew it, is definitely finished. No sense in beating a dead horse!

 

[rickster96056]

I just watched Paul and Romeo and quit less than half way through. Straight guys being paid to have gay sex sure as hell don't make out like long lost lovers. There is not one second of this video that implies either guy is straight. When a scene opens to two guys making out, you've completely lost my interest. If I wanted to watch two guy's make love, I'd subscribe to a site that doesn't pretend to be anything more than just that. Gay guys having sex and acting like they are in love is exactly that, acting. I expect realness from a site that promotes itself as place for the viewer to see straight men have gay sex (I said sex, NOT making love) for money. I've come and gone from Broke Straight Boys more than once. I come back hoping things have changed and to view the good old days of BSB1. I have to say when I've been absent I do miss the Forum. One more thing...........someone made the comment that the guys are better looking now. I can't believe said person has ever viewed the scenes from BSB1 Not as good looking? Please, there's Logan, Zakk, Anthony, Tyler just to name few. Again my 2 cents worth that I might have to start spending elsewhere once again.

 

[cumrag27]

I believe you hit it on the head, my boy!

All of our opinions are totally subjective. Yes, I remember "the guy" from BSB1 very well. His name was David, and I thought that he was perfect in implementing the mission statement of Broke Straight Boys Perhaps David's time came to it's inevitable conclusion, as Mark wanted to move into another direction, and David himself told us after the change was implemented, while he still had posting privliges on this forum that he had become bored with doing the same thing over and over. But my belief is that without David, and his "goofy" politically incorrect ways, this site never would have achieved the greatness that it attained and that there never would have been a BSB2 or 3 or whatever. I understand this is only my opinion and others are totally free to totally disagree.

Dear Mikeyank,

You are batting a 1000 my Lil Bro! Amen and alleluia!!! You are speaking to the choir!!! What more can someone say!



Sincerely,



Stimpy

 

[cumrag27]

Dear Fellow Forumites,

I can't possibly tell you how much your best wishes mean to me at this time. Be kind to each other and know that you will all be missed terribly! Hopefully it won't be long! Thank you all, but especially Mikeyank for making me feel so at home and among friends! I look forward to seeing you soon!



Sincerely,


Stimpy

 

[joninliverton]

All of our opinions are totally subjective. Yes, I remember "the guy" from BSB1 very well. His name was David, and I thought that he was perfect in implementing the mission statement of Broke Straight Boys Perhaps David's time came to it's inevitable conclusion, as Mark wanted to move into another direction, and David himself told us after the change was implemented, while he still had posting privliges on this forum that he had become bored with doing the same thing over and over. But my belief is that without David, and his "goofy" politically incorrect ways, this site never would have achieved the greatness that it attained and that there never would have been a BSB2 or 3 or whatever. I understand this is only my opinion and others are totally free to totally disagree.

You know I loved David so I am in agreement 1000 pc. I wasn't around during bsb2 but I've not really been impressed with a lot of those models.

The site has moved on and as I said in another thread, I don't think the models are less straight, I just think that they are now better actors. Saying that and taking for example today's film with Jason and Ian; if that is acting then both should get Oscars.

 

[joninliverton]

We're a strange bunch are we not. Around the beginning of April we were all moaning about the standard of models and films and Clay was heavily criticised for his direction too. Now we are seeing some of the hottest and well produced films that Broke Straight Boys have done and the site is getting criticised for being too gay. When a film is shot and does not including kissing or passion (as per today's scene), then it gets slated for not including them.

Looks as if we have at least 2 different kind of members on the site at the moment and although the forum is a very minute minority, then Mark has to look at other means of data to judge what the majority of his members prefer.

 

[mikeyank]

We're a strange bunch are we not. Around the beginning of April we were all moaning about the standard of models and films and Clay was heavily criticised for his direction too. Now we are seeing some of the hottest and well produced films that Broke Straight Boys have done and the site is getting criticised for being too gay. When a film is shot and does not including kissing or passion (as per today's scene), then it gets slated for not including them.

Looks as if we have at least 2 different kind of members on the site at the moment and although the forum is a very minute minority, then Mark has to look at other means of data to judge what the majority of his members prefer.

That is exactly my point Jon. There is no "we" that describes all of our sexual desires, or our taste in what turns us on in porn. And I've been saying for a very long time here, that there are at least two major camps among overall membership, as to what we expect Broke Straight Boys to be, and they are often very opposite views.

And as the forum is only a small minority of overall membership, and that I believe that the majority of members do not even notice the 1-5 "voting" poll attached to each episode, so that is why I understand that Mark and his team do use "hits" to scenes, and of course trends of membership either rising or falling based on the product he is putting out, as the truly effective way of gauging customer satisfaction or lack thereof.

I have long asked for a variety in the types of models and scenes to satisfy both camps, but lately the scenes have gone to all passion and lovemaking and basically zero of nervous, hesitant straight boys who slowly progress in their comfort level for man to man sex. And that is why I call this new trend to be BSB3. If this new trend of slick professional type of gay sex videos becomes the norm here, then Mark's market research has shown that it is more profitable to cater to that market, and he will eventually lose those of us who signed up for the "home made" somewhat klutzy style that D&E implemented with David as the front man for the site.

I can perfectly understand that Mark is a businessman and his number one obligation is to the bottom line of his company, as that is what the American free enterprise is all about. I am only speaking as an individual who signed up here for the original concept, and very rarely gets aroused watching the latest version of Broke Straight Boys videos.

 

[JLipps4u]

Again Mikey, you are right on point! I have always championed Mark's right to take Broke Straight Boys in the direction that best suited HIS bottom line. I also think it my right to spend my $$ where it best suits MY bottom line. Broke Straight Boys is just another gay site now, and even though it has some of my favorite models, the scenarios just leave me cold. I for one, shall go back to Xtube, which is how I found Broke Straight Boys in the first place.

 

[tampa24]

I can perfectly understand that Mark is a businessman and his number one obligation is to the bottom line of his company, as that is what the American free enterprise is all about. I am only speaking as an individual who signed up here for the original concept,

You hit the nail on the head there Mikey. If you're running the company and you find that passionate scenes are getting ratings of 4.5 and higher and the other scenes are faring lower, then which way is the company likely to go? I can only hope there will be some kind of compromise where we'll still see some of the older type scenes with the nervous, somewhat reluctant straight guy mixed in with the latest passionate scenes.

 

[JLipps4u]

You hit the nail on the head there Mikey. If you're running the company and you find that passionate scenes are getting ratings of 4.5 and higher and the other scenes are faring lower, then which way is the company likely to go? I can only hope there will be some kind of compromise where we'll still see some of the older type scenes with the nervous, somewhat reluctant straight guy mixed in with the latest passionate scenes.

Don't count on it Tampa! Seems that those days are long gone. The thing is, at one time, the membership was probably comprised of people like us, who got turned on watching the updates of BSB1. With time however, the membership has grown considerably, and the greater majority are more apt to be turned on by the "love-making" that is part of BSB3. So of course, the majority is going to out vote and out voice us older guys, who loved the original premise of the site. Oh well, as the saying goes, "The times, they are a changing". Time to move on!

 

[mikeyank]

Don't count on it Tampa! Seems that those days are long gone. The thing is, at one time, the membership was probably comprised of people like us, who got turned on watching the updates of BSB1. With time however, the membership has grown considerably, and the greater majority are more apt to be turned on by the "love-making" that is part of BSB3. So of course, the majority is going to out vote and out voice us older guys, who loved the original premise of the site. Oh well, as the saying goes, "The times, they are a changing". Time to move on!

While I hate change, I understand that it is inevitable in life, but that doesn't stop me from pining for the "good old days", including here. I will always remember the "golden age of Broke Straight Boys" and even more importantly to me, the "golden age of the Broke Straight Boys forum". You will be missed very sorely JLipps when your subscription runs out, as I already miss many of the mainstays who have dropped off in recent times as this site moves into it's new direction.

 

[tampa24]

Don't count on it Tampa! Seems that those days are long gone. The thing is, at one time, the membership was probably comprised of people like us, who got turned on watching the updates of BSB1. With time however, the membership has grown considerably, and the greater majority are more apt to be turned on by the "love-making" that is part of BSB3. So of course, the majority is going to out vote and out voice us older guys, who loved the original premise of the site. Oh well, as the saying goes, "The times, they are a changing". Time to move on!

I must admit J that I am rather in denial about you leaving. I just hate to think of the place without you. We have lost so many of our mainstays over the last year or so. And of course Jayman, Slim and MarkyMark are still dearly missed. As you will be also my friend if and when you leave too.

 

[joninliverton]

That is exactly my point Jon. There is no "we" that describes all of our sexual desires, or our taste in what turns us on in porn. And I've been saying for a very long time here, that there are at least two major camps among overall membership, as to what we expect Broke Straight Boys to be, and they are often very opposite views.

And as the forum is only a small minority of overall membership, and that I believe that the majority of members do not even notice the 1-5 "voting" poll attached to each episode, so that is why I understand that Mark and his team do use "hits" to scenes, and of course trends of membership either rising or falling based on the product he is putting out, as the truly effective way of gauging customer satisfaction or lack thereof.

I have long asked for a variety in the types of models and scenes to satisfy both camps, but lately the scenes have gone to all passion and lovemaking and basically zero of nervous, hesitant straight boys who slowly progress in their comfort level for man to man sex. And that is why I call this new trend to be BSB3. If this new trend of slick professional type of gay sex videos becomes the norm here, then Mark's market research has shown that it is more profitable to cater to that market, and he will eventually lose those of us who signed up for the "home made" somewhat klutzy style that D&E implemented with David as the front man for the site.

I can perfectly understand that Mark is a businessman and his number one obligation is to the bottom line of his company, as that is what the American free enterprise is all about. I am only speaking as an individual who signed up here for the original concept, and very rarely gets aroused watching the latest version of Broke Straight Boys videos.

There is some truth in your post Mike, but I would like to think that we should give Mark et al some time. Remember when we complained that all the fucking scenes were bareback after the first one was released. Mark said wait a while because we're also doing condom ones - we are now getting condom scenes too.. Maybe we just have to be a bit more patient xx

 

[joninliverton]

I must admit J that I am rather in denial about you leaving. I just hate to think of the place without you. We have lost so many of our mainstays over the last year or so. And of course Jayman, Slim and MarkyMark are still dearly missed. As you will be also my friend if and when you leave too.

My main concern is that J is now unemployed and that stinks.. Hope you find a new job soon my friend xx

 

[Youngandconfused22]

I agree with a lot of points. But I agree that I wish it would get back to how it was with the original concept with actual straight guys trying gay sex for the first time. But the quality of the models has drastically increased and the effort put into every scene is very impressive and puts a lot of other websites to shame. I agree some scenes can be a little gay but considering how well newer scenes are scored Broke Straight Boys must be doing something right. I think if members don't like where its going they should move on and stop complaining. Broke Straight Boys can't keep everyone happy and the sooner people understand that the sooner we can all just enjoy the site.

 

[broadbander]

Slather them with brown gravy and have a rabid wolverine high on angel dust on a chewed up leash nearby eyeing them and growling.

Guaranteed to create nervousness. =D

 

[broadbander]

I'm the odd one out most likely. I actually enjoy the car ride scenes a bit and the text info detailing the scenes. One thing I enjoyed from Sean or Chaos was the text info detailing what was going on and then video showing the same. Sometimes I get a description on here that the video doesn't show or the BTS of the shoot also doesn't show. Most gay guys I know like spontaneous sex moments or surprise moments, so like a video of a car ride picking up the straight boy or boys and either one straight guy or bi/gay giving them road head after prior consent of getting paid for getting/giving head.

I myself love watching bareback sex, but as long as the action is enjoyable, safe sex scenes are just as good. I just hate quiet guys or near silent scenes like most of the Saggerz Skaterz brand. The one enjoyable aspect of Bel Ami is that their performers for the most part laugh, tickle, interact and that I suppose allows a sense of interaction between the viewer and the performers. We get to see two guys playing around non-sexually before getting to the action. Interviews can be fun, but the producer and editor has to strive to maintain a balance between information from the performer, some type of personality display to have the audience relate to the performer, the act to be performed and a general consensus from the viewership of how often the performers are going to break the 4th wall. I like as little eye contact with the camera as possible myself. Let straight porn do the eye contact while getting a blowjob while in POV view. I enjoy 3rd person viewing angles of the action being performed.

IMHO.