Only a complete imbecile would apply the now-dead Adrianna Dworkin standard of "the penis is always an instrument to control women and therefore in a patriarchy all supposedly man-woman sex is actually rape" to a man on man hot sex scene. Heterotopian is NOT what BB has ever been about. Broke Straight Boys is about a man CHOOSING to engage in consensual sex - usually penetrative with fellatio and other fetishistic idiosyncracies thrown in for unique flavor and sometimes "signature" moves. The sex is JOY being expressed by the guys who have freely chosen to share their bodies with one another. The crap you spouted earlier could come from an anti-gay Republican or any other cretin who is a hater with a large dictionary of feminist standpoint theory he does not understand.
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Broke Straight Rapists?
- Thread starter CRandallB
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I am not a fan of S&M. At ALL! However ....... I do gravitate to roughish sex. To watch & in my personal life. If I'm choosing Porn to watch it will generally not be overly "Romantic". Just not my thing. Rape is an act of violence & control. At point was Kyle being held against his will or forced to engage in act involuntarily. Quite the contrary........ He actually seemed to be enjoying the pounding. In this instance I think the use of the term " Rape" is Inappropriate & Extreme. Rough Sex isn't everyone's cup of tea. But a Crime it is not. And Rape is a Crime.
funbilly
Well-known Member
Yes your making to big a deal of it. As I have said before I believe that the guys and management discussed the scene before hand and Kyle and Abram both were on board. One has to wonder if it was perhaps a fantasy for Kyle as he was red as can be which is what he does when he is turned on.
joeychuck2
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It's rare that I agree with Mikey 100% but he said it perfectly.
To call a guy a bitch as you fuck him is a frequent line even in real life. It's a turn on for top and bottom. They used to say to be a good top you have to bottom to see what feels good so being a bottom is just as masculine as a top. Just different roles.
To call a guy a bitch as you fuck him is a frequent line even in real life. It's a turn on for top and bottom. They used to say to be a good top you have to bottom to see what feels good so being a bottom is just as masculine as a top. Just different roles.
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To be clear here... I have not yet seen the latest Kyle/Abram scene. So I make no implications that these two scenes are on an equal footing.
Judging from the topic of the discussion alone I immediately thought of that scene too Another1. Viewers weren't happy with that Jimmy/Colin scene and voiced many of the same concerns raised by CRandall. They voiced strong concerns about the treatment of the bottoming model, castigated the topping model and gave the scene lower ratings and poor reviews. But all involved (including Colin himself) strongly implied that it was intended to be a rough dominant scene. Jimmy stood his ground, denied it was a rape scene, and in as many words said that they gave us the scene Clay asked them for. Even though we saw him very sympathetically as being the victim, Colin of all people offered an apology to the fans for appearing to be in so much pain as to give viewers the impression he was being assaulted. Whether the pain was real or acted out, we'll never know for sure.
Obviously among us Jimmy detractors, that scene didn't help his reputation at the time or gain him many new fans. I may not have many good things to say about Jimmy. And I wasn't pleased with him at all in that particular scene... But I'll never call him a rapist. In hindsight, any "blame" for the scene really had to be put at the feet of Clay. He actually did tell Jimmy at the beginning of the scene not to take it easy on Colin. As I think about it years later, I'm inclined to wonder if that scene wasn't done more for Clay's personal amusement (or perhaps even a private agenda) than for the amusement and entertainment of the viewers. If anyone should have apologized for a scene appearing to get out of control, it should have been the director whose job it was to decide moment-by-moment as the scene was unfolding, how the models' actions on set would be perceived by viewers.
Again though...I haven't yet seen the latest video. But with Sha and Bryce's very good reputations, I'm very dis-inclined to think I'm going to see any kind of out of control rape scene.
I have not been back on Broke Straight Boys since seeing the outburst of differences in perspective of what one states his or her "take away" from viewing a scene - the Abram/Kyle scene.
I was the person who first said I hit the log out button after viewing and commenting that I my senses told me that were I the bottom in this scene (I have bottomed four times in my entire life in three different long-term relationships) because I believed I should "give back" to those partners (who were, generally speaking, total bottoms) - and I wanted to see if I would/could be willing to be versatile in future sessions. Every instance resulted in absolute assurance that we had the "perfect" arrangement in our established roles. In any of those experiences, had my partner not returned to me the pleasures I offered them prior to the pleasure of anal sex, I'd have done as CRandall stated - they'd be picking up their teeth and packing their bags.
Now, in each of those cases, it was an experiment in a loving relationship so there really is no comparison to what was depicted. I must say that I did not "miss" the lean in kissing initiated by Abram; nor, the guys talked about their plan for doing the scene. In spite of contemplating that, the scene was objectionable to my tastes of sensuality.
Perhaps the fact I was married - to a woman - for 23 years has something to do with my "sensitivity" meter about what is sensual. In any case, the scene did not "work" for me. I did not see Kyle "purring". His face was the same red as they are in all of his (and Kaden Alexander's scenes) - the flushing face of a fair-skinned red head is always like that in my personal experience so that was no indication of his pleasure for me.
My final impression when trying to acclimate myself to truly accepting that it was a planned scene - management and the models decided to do a rough straight boy does a gay or bi boy scene - and they did that. Just turns out that it is not the type of scene that will ever score with me. But, it does with many, many members so this was a big win for Broke Straight Boys and the models. Let's agree that generally these scenes are ALL role-playing tidbits for the diverse, prurient interests of a huge subscriber list. I've not looked at the ratings. Don't care.
But, I must say that the "friendly" acceptance of the differences in what is a turn on for some and a downer for others has breached the damn of tolerance and some people have made personal attacks - that's my impression - on others. "Imbecile"? Why attack another with derogatory adjectives. Personal dignity of commenters can certainly be completely "erased" when such comments and attacks are launched. May we all gain, or regain, the sensibilities of Dear Tampa - calm the defending of personal differences, accept that others felt secure enough to state differing opinions and become a brotherhood of kind humans who fully accept differences.
I was the person who first said I hit the log out button after viewing and commenting that I my senses told me that were I the bottom in this scene (I have bottomed four times in my entire life in three different long-term relationships) because I believed I should "give back" to those partners (who were, generally speaking, total bottoms) - and I wanted to see if I would/could be willing to be versatile in future sessions. Every instance resulted in absolute assurance that we had the "perfect" arrangement in our established roles. In any of those experiences, had my partner not returned to me the pleasures I offered them prior to the pleasure of anal sex, I'd have done as CRandall stated - they'd be picking up their teeth and packing their bags.
Now, in each of those cases, it was an experiment in a loving relationship so there really is no comparison to what was depicted. I must say that I did not "miss" the lean in kissing initiated by Abram; nor, the guys talked about their plan for doing the scene. In spite of contemplating that, the scene was objectionable to my tastes of sensuality.
Perhaps the fact I was married - to a woman - for 23 years has something to do with my "sensitivity" meter about what is sensual. In any case, the scene did not "work" for me. I did not see Kyle "purring". His face was the same red as they are in all of his (and Kaden Alexander's scenes) - the flushing face of a fair-skinned red head is always like that in my personal experience so that was no indication of his pleasure for me.
My final impression when trying to acclimate myself to truly accepting that it was a planned scene - management and the models decided to do a rough straight boy does a gay or bi boy scene - and they did that. Just turns out that it is not the type of scene that will ever score with me. But, it does with many, many members so this was a big win for Broke Straight Boys and the models. Let's agree that generally these scenes are ALL role-playing tidbits for the diverse, prurient interests of a huge subscriber list. I've not looked at the ratings. Don't care.
But, I must say that the "friendly" acceptance of the differences in what is a turn on for some and a downer for others has breached the damn of tolerance and some people have made personal attacks - that's my impression - on others. "Imbecile"? Why attack another with derogatory adjectives. Personal dignity of commenters can certainly be completely "erased" when such comments and attacks are launched. May we all gain, or regain, the sensibilities of Dear Tampa - calm the defending of personal differences, accept that others felt secure enough to state differing opinions and become a brotherhood of kind humans who fully accept differences.
Dear CRandall,
I for one totally respect your personally held views that saying what may be perceived as demeaning things to a bottoming sexual partner during the course of sex is a threshold you absolutely refuse to cross in your own life. You see it as not entertaining, not the kind of dirty talk conducive to a mutually enjoyable heightening of the sexual tension, and very disrespectful of the other person. We get it. We really do. None of us in here are arguing so much for you to change your mind on this. Only that some others do see it differently also.
It's not that those of us who are not offended so much by those kinds of comments during sex (on a scripted porn site especially) are actually in favor of belittling, degrading and showing great disrespect towards another human being. This is just not however a one-size-fits-all kind of world. Sometimes the physical treatment of a sexual partner and the dirty talk of which you allude to, can indeed be taken by that partner as very disrespectful. I think there are many of us however who personally know people who actually get sexual enjoyment out of being the submissive bottom along with hearing some of the very dirty talk you despise. And we know other people in the world (who you are admirably very concerned about) who even though they might prefer or enjoy bottoming very much, might be offended to be called words such as a "bitch".
It's very important to you in your own sex life that anybody bottoming for you, however roughly you may manhandle them during the mutual enjoyment of sex, that you would never say anything to them (or do anything to them) that they might perceive to be personally disrespectful. Again, I/we(?) respect you for your personal view and stance on that. I don't think that anyone here would argue that you have it all wrong and that you should be doing anything differently in your own life.
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johnny
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God guy's it is a damn porn site. It is Fantasy. It is Not real.You don't like it there are 1500 or so other scenes.
Change the channel. Turn it off if you don't like it.You think Broke Straight Boys would film a Rape scene. You think the models didn't know what was going to happen? Turn it off if you can't take it.
Lighten Up. It is Not Real. Maybe you should Not be watching porn if your going to get so upset.
I Love Lucy is running all day on some channel watch that. Sounding like a bunch of silly school girls.
DON'T Watch Porn. It is All a ACT. SHIT...
Change the channel. Turn it off if you don't like it.You think Broke Straight Boys would film a Rape scene. You think the models didn't know what was going to happen? Turn it off if you can't take it.
Lighten Up. It is Not Real. Maybe you should Not be watching porn if your going to get so upset.
I Love Lucy is running all day on some channel watch that. Sounding like a bunch of silly school girls.
DON'T Watch Porn. It is All a ACT. SHIT...
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I really want to thank you and express my agreement with you on this final statement of your post CRandall. You articulate exactly what I have always felt and been grateful for about the mission statement of the site. That even those straight or bi-ish guys who stop by here in their early adulthoods and go on to live exclusively heterosexual lives, will be forever positively changed by the experience. Not so much by the stardom and internet fame of course. But just the fact that they got know what gay sex was about and they got to interact personally with other gay people beyond just acquaintances in their real lives.
One can hardly imagine them teaching their children that gay people are to be feared or hated...or that the very acts of gay sex themselves are disgusting and morally wrong. Hopefully the majority of straight and straight-ish models will leave here with the knowledge and personal wisdom that gay sex is one of many positive expressions of intimacy and love in the vast realm of possible interpersonal relationships. And on a deeper level hopefully they will see and be able to pass on to others that same-sex relationships are based on the same Love, mutual respect and intimacy as heterosexual relationships.
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I was the other person on the original thread who said he was offended by the scene and saw it as rape (FANTASY, perhaps -- I'm sure Kyle was not held against his will), but I would not go as far as to label someone (Abram in this case) a rapist. As said by many others, this is a porn site where the models are acting out sexual scenes which are fantasies. I felt really bad for Kyle in that scene and there were moments when he looked confused or distressed and not in pleasure, however, he always has that sort of deer in the headlights look about him, so maybe that's all it was. I cannot allow myself to believe that the Broke Straight Boys staff in the studio would allow, let alone film, something that was not agreed upon or that got out of control and harmed one of their models. So, I'm willing to look at it as a "rape fantasy scene." Not my thing. It truly bothered me but most members seemed to enjoy it, and my opinion is no more or less valid than anyone else's. I was a long-time member who left and came back because of the same discounted offer. I left originally because I did not care for the new models (and couldn't honestly tell them apart!) and because Broke Straight Boys had pretty much quit doing oral scenes, which is what I personally like. Coming back I'm happier with the newest batch of models although still let down by the lack of oral scenes, and have taken an active part in the forums which I almost never bothered with before during the several years i was here the first time. For the most part this seems like a great community, and in the other thread on this scene I was allowed to have my (minority) opinion and not be flamed or run off by bullies. We cordially agreed to disagree, and that speaks volumes of the community here. If this rape/rough style is a new direction Broke Straight Boys chooses to follow then I'll just "vote with my dollars" as they say and cancel my membership. At the end of the day we are each free to think and feel and like or dislike what we do without need to argue or preach or bully others who do not think or feel the same way.
peterh6308
BSB Addict
I have met a few forum members and talk to some on the phone as well. They know what a regular masculine guy I am and who happens to prefer to bottom. Now I said I was masculine so for me to get turned on the top has to be just as tough or tougher. If he doesn't fuck me hard I'll let him know he's not doing it right for me. I've threatened to kick dudes out of my bed for not hitting that spot lol I like power sex and if the top takes control calls me a bitch etc he better make my ass nut........
johnny
BSB Addict
Funny thing about this Way over the top thinking. You have a fairly average scene rated 4;41 no big deal.
Would have passed in a few day's as they all do. But now it will become a scene everyone will want to see.
The Rape Scene.So I am sure Broke Straight Boys will be very happy. And grateful to who ever started this Way over the top thread.
You put The Rape Scene up there with the popular scenes.
Would have passed in a few day's as they all do. But now it will become a scene everyone will want to see.
The Rape Scene.So I am sure Broke Straight Boys will be very happy. And grateful to who ever started this Way over the top thread.
You put The Rape Scene up there with the popular scenes.
mikeyank
Long time forumite
I agree that the nature of this discussion is way over the top. This is a gay porn site for adults and hard fucking is part of gay sex. This was no more a rape scene than Santos & Sean in 2010 was or Jimmy & Colin in 2011. I don't enjoy all scenes on Broke Straight Boys, in fact many I don't watch at all, but I don't start threads telling the world why I object to scenes with fem looking guys or with guys I don't consider hot. If I don't like the models, I usually just skip the scene and remain silent. We get three new scenes a week, every week and some will be what we like and some not so much. At least this discussion livened up the forum for a few days. lol
peterh6308
BSB Addict
Hahahahahaha yea right!!!! That's why you have 10k plus posts, because you kept silent!!!!!
SGVBOB
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this was also a concern of mine WAAAAY back with a model Sean, ()to which I even started a thread), BEFORE being REASSURRED by Mark, that the models are FULLY AWARE of what they will be doing in the scene, and ARE FREE, AT ANY TIME, to voice their opposition to, as well as, OPT OUT of 'those scene type', if they so desired.
You asked a question, which I highlighted in red, and my answer is an emphatic YES, you are taking a fantasy way too seriously.
Long time members of BSB will remember a similar scene of Sean & Santos going all the way back to November 8 2010 where members of the forum also accused BSB of filming a "rape" scene. David later explained that the boys planned it to change things up. I often say that BSB is a fantasy site presented in a reality format. I've been here a long time and I can assure you that neither David or Mark and certainly not Sha would ever film a scene of that nature and that "No human beings or small animals were harmed in the making of this film". lol
For those interested, this was Sean & Santos that also caused a similar stir "back in the day".
http://members.brokestraightboys.com/play/NDkx/sean-&-santos
SGVBOB
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mikeyank
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