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Forumites,

I have been away from Broke Straight Boys scenes and this forum for some time. Primarily, I have been inundated with guests from the great Northern areas of wind-chills, snow and little sun light. I relish in those visits as it means that family and friends offer lots of input on topics from family, religion, society, politics, child-rearing, etc. that I do miss from my days when I coexisted in the same climate but deserted for warmer climes but with fewer divergent concepts, impressions, attitudes or opinions about myriad topics within each of those issues. Porn vids and the forums that are generated as a result of those scenes proved to be a great diversion for a perceived (or real) sense of lacking for such discussions.

But, I have read this thread twice and both times came away with a sense of sullenness.

When I left university and ventured into the capitalist world that dictated, "Be all that you can be within the limits you set upon your abilities" to support a family of four at the age of 20, I went on to teach school. I taught both junior (now middle) high and senior high school students. The lack of frontal lobe development left so many of those students engaged in variances of put downs, bullying, and "click' clinging to verify social status, popularity and one's ability to fit in and be accepted through verbal (oral and written) attacks that were based in "one up - one down" validation of both status and personal sense of achievement. It truly sickened me. I guess I grew up in a social setting that had not provoked such upmanship. Certainly there existed "groups" who were considered "popular" in ways other groups were not. But challenges of one's dignity did not occur. So, those actions and behaviors really got me down and I started a group in which I guaranteed students would not be attacked by any member of the group as long as the group was meeting. And, it worked. Students who didn't think they would "fit in", made an attempt and kids who never, ever talked to them were suddenly talking with them. A true sense of community, while still recognizing differences - and respecting them - was the result. I am still in touch with many of those former students who have said that those efforts I did on my own - with the blessing of a principal, superintendent and school board - say it changed them forever and their own children benefited from the same confidence they gained through their experiences at the "Pals Place". What a dumb name - but it worked to serve up Respect whenever in the confines of that Soda Shop back room.

The sentiments stated about individuals on here are, perhaps, honest. But deliberate efforts to hurt another individual's person and psyche is never appropriate. It makes me sad that there seems to be a peg on which members, having taken off their "respect" cloak, hang that cloak (maybe feeling said cloak has been stripped from them and not voluntarily placed on that peg) and the gloves are put on and left hook, right hook and gut jabs become the name of the game.

Yes, honesty (and freedom of speech) should never challenge what one types. But whatever is done should show considerations for what every sane human being desires and that is to be viewed - be it physically or digitally - with respect. Cut downs might make the "do-er" feel good, but it can greatly affect in a not so good way the recipient of the attack. Maybe that is just "part of the interest and fun" in such a forum. But I, personally, do not want to be responsible for or culpable in making any individual feel less than all they are entitled to be.

Wind beneath my wings, I suppose. Support is so much more valuable than put downs and are what everybody prefers.

So, there I am again - blah, blah, blah. Just my thoughts and I certainly hope no one feels "put down" by this. If you feel attacked, reflect on why you might feel such as I have no intent for such feelings.
 
Forumites,

I have been away from Broke Straight Boys scenes and this forum for some time. Primarily, I have been inundated with guests from the great Northern areas of wind-chills, snow and little sun light. I relish in those visits as it means that family and friends offer lots of input on topics from family, religion, society, politics, child-rearing, etc. that I do miss from my days when I coexisted in the same climate but deserted for warmer climes but with fewer divergent concepts, impressions, attitudes or opinions about myriad topics within each of those issues. Porn vids and the forums that are generated as a result of those scenes proved to be a great diversion for a perceived (or real) sense of lacking for such discussions.

But, I have read this thread twice and both times came away with a sense of sullenness.

When I left university and ventured into the capitalist world that dictated, "Be all that you can be within the limits you set upon your abilities" to support a family of four at the age of 20, I went on to teach school. I taught both junior (now middle) high and senior high school students. The lack of frontal lobe development left so many of those students engaged in variances of put downs, bullying, and "click' clinging to verify social status, popularity and one's ability to fit in and be accepted through verbal (oral and written) attacks that were based in "one up - one down" validation of both status and personal sense of achievement. It truly sickened me. I guess I grew up in a social setting that had not provoked such upmanship. Certainly there existed "groups" who were considered "popular" in ways other groups were not. But challenges of one's dignity did not occur. So, those actions and behaviors really got me down and I started a group in which I guaranteed students would not be attacked by any member of the group as long as the group was meeting. And, it worked. Students who didn't think they would "fit in", made an attempt and kids who never, ever talked to them were suddenly talking with them. A true sense of community, while still recognizing differences - and respecting them - was the result. I am still in touch with many of those former students who have said that those efforts I did on my own - with the blessing of a principal, superintendent and school board - say it changed them forever and their own children benefited from the same confidence they gained through their experiences at the "Pals Place". What a dumb name - but it worked to serve up Respect whenever in the confines of that Soda Shop back room.

The sentiments stated about individuals on here are, perhaps, honest. But deliberate efforts to hurt another individual's person and psyche is never appropriate. It makes me sad that there seems to be a peg on which members, having taken off their "respect" cloak, hang that cloak (maybe feeling said cloak has been stripped from them and not voluntarily placed on that peg) and the gloves are put on and left hook, right hook and gut jabs become the name of the game.

Yes, honesty (and freedom of speech) should never challenge what one types. But whatever is done should show considerations for what every sane human being desires and that is to be viewed - be it physically or digitally - with respect. Cut downs might make the "do-er" feel good, but it can greatly affect in a not so good way the recipient of the attack. Maybe that is just "part of the interest and fun" in such a forum. But I, personally, do not want to be responsible for or culpable in making any individual feel less than all they are entitled to be.

Wind beneath my wings, I suppose. Support is so much more valuable than put downs and are what everybody prefers.

So, there I am again - blah, blah, blah. Just my thoughts and I certainly hope no one feels "put down" by this. If you feel attacked, reflect on why you might feel such as I have no intent for such feelings.

Thanks for this much needed observation and solution.
 
When I first happened onto this thread shortly after it was posted, the title was nebulous enough to cause me to open it. When I saw what the specifics of the thread title were, I didn't bother to comment because it was a topic which had been discussed ad nauseum. And every day since, when it appeared in my "new posts" listing, I'd just skip over it and go on to the next thread. It wasn't until it was referenced in another thread on which I did post that I came back and read the interminable 6 pages of posts. These few comments are NOTdirected at anyone specific but to a few general issues expressed by several people. Any meant for a specific person will be so noted. Thus, some observations:

1. I joined the site in April 2011; the forum, in the next month, May after spending that first month reading the forum to get a feel for what it was and how it worked. Computer and internet luddite that I am, I had never had any experience with such things. Given what this forum was, a vehicle for open and relatively free expression of opinions, I came into it with the view that I would not let anyone's expressed opinion of what I might post affect me. As I have stated several times over the years - "I could care less if people read what I write or what their opinions might be of what I write." I write what I write because I feel strongly enough about the issue involved whether it be a scene, a model's performance. world affairs, politics, etc. If others want to read them, that's fine, but it's up to them; if they want to express an opinion on them, again that's fine but totally up to them. And if they like what I've written that's fine. If the don't, then that's fine too but I don't care that they don't agree with what I've written. Having said that, there are a few fellow forumites, and I mean a precious few, whose opinion I do respect. And if they call me to task for something I said or how I said it, I will give it consideration as to how I might respond to their concerns.

2. Now as to some of the issues raised in this thread:

a. I do not think that one forumite crushing on a specific model or two or three by implication means that person dislikes or is being critical of any models who are not being praised by that person. For example, if I post on what I perceive the attributes of Model A to be, that doesn't imply that I am criticizing other models not being mention; nor do I think it is logical for a forumite who might have similar viewpoints on other models to infer I am being critical of those models he prefers.

b. As human beings, we are flawed. My Jesuit training in both English and philosophy taught me to abhor ad hominem methodology in arguing or discussing your opinions. We went through that several times here especially when someone said disparaging things about Blake Bennett and his very slender body. Generally some of the more rational forumites will call out that person and depending on the severity of the attack, contact management so it can make a judgement as to banishment. And I will note here that flawed human being that I am, and with an excellent memory, I don't remember any of the participants on this thread calling any model by any ad hominem appellation. I personally despite my education have devolved to that level on a few occasions and after I realized what I had done or one of the few whose opinions I respect and care about calls me to task for it, I will apologize. And specifically here, I don't recall Johnny ever calling a model a derogatory name or use a derogatory adjective, Perhaps he has and I didn't see it or remember it, but the burden of proof rests on the person making the accusation.

c. When I comment on a scene and I say I like a model because his body is not an over-muscled gym rat physique, that does not mean by either implication or rational inference that I am criticizing models who do have such a physique. It's just stating my preference. I have written about my preference for circumcised men. Again not critical of uncut, just stating my preference. And God knows it is not criticizing those people who prefer uncut men.

Honestly, I think people need to take a "chill pill". We come from all different backgrounds, education and work experiences, and cultural influences resulting from the societal mores and folkways in which we were raised - all of which influence how we form the opinions we do. Some people share all these influences to the fullest with the forumites here; others, like yours truly, don't. I was taught that your personal business is private and to be shared with very few people, and certainly not publicly.
 
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I am saddened and disgusted by what has been said on this thread. I am going to be 67 in less than two months. I found this forum when I was 58 and had lost my job of over thirty years where I was "the man", running a warehouse where I hired the workers and managed over 30 people during peak season, as well as being the main buyer and dealing with many key aspects of the business. The business was turned over to the original owner's son and his new wife and it went down the toilet and I lost the most important thing in my life, not just financially but emotionally as that job was my identity.

I found a new job as an outside salesman trying to sell products similar to what my old business dealt with, but I was low man on the totem pole and often got yelled at by my boss for "not producing". After being the boss for over thirty years. I felt like shit, hated my new job, and even had to go on antidepressant drugs for the only time in my life. I was miserable, and then four years later, I stumbled onto this site and then signed up for the new forum that Mark started, and I became "mikeyank" and I found a fantasy world where I could be someone again as people started enjoying my posts and I began trading thoughts, opinions and quips with folks from all over the country and the world. And over time, through my dear friend Ms. K, this became the center of my social life. I know it is kind of pathetic that a 60 year old man enjoyed cyber friends on a gay porn site more than any real people in my life, but I loved being on this forum, and people knew what kind of guys I liked and what kind of sex acts turned me on. I felt more freedom to be my real self here, (and on gaychatfriends, an off shoot forum started by RRHill, a one time member here), than anywhere else in life.

But now nine years into being "mikeyank", I am sick and disgusted by the hurtful things said, on this seemingly innocuous thread started by a one time poster called heinrich18, to whom English is not his primary language, but he expressed a thought that I shared about the types of current models being employed by Broke Straight Boys I agreed and then all hell broke loose on this thread. At this point in time, this forum is not a fun place at all, and I have nothing more to say.
 
In the words of the late Rodney King, "can't we all just get along together?" Yes, Mr. King, we CAN get along TOGETHER. We have, more or less, for around ten years now, and providing Broke Straight Boys remains in business, we will for another ten years.

A lot of things have been said here, most in the heat of the moment. I would urge that everyone learn what "Private Messaging", often just abbreviated as "PM" is all about. Among the happy usage of members just sending private messages to members they consider friends, it can and should be used to send messages to members that may be embarrassing if said in public. There are numerous posts above, which should have been sent to the individual privately. It can never be right to humiliate anyone on an open forum.

Just think about it, please.
 
Well I apologize for how this thread turned out. I had other avenues to express what I felt, but chose to air it here on a open forum so for that I apologize. I completely agree with what Stowe and Buckeye said in regards to lets get back to where we were a bunch of pervs talking about young boys naked...
 
Well I apologize for how this thread turned out. I had other avenues to express what I felt, but chose to air it here on a open forum so for that I apologize. I completely agree with what Stowe and Buckeye said in regards to lets get back to where we were a bunch of pervs talking about young boys naked...


I too must apologize for making some of my comments - not all, but certainly some. I still feel the same way as I stated about continuously finding fault with everything - the site, models, their looks, etc. but with a little help, I will try to consider all sources and take such into consideration better. Unfortunately, and please feel free to call me thin-skinned, etc. but I won't drop the issue exacerbated by the name-calling. Had that not happened, I would drop this mess like a used condom, but alas, I do not foresee an apology coming from the other party involved, so my bringing of negativity to their attention must continue. Again, I apologize for anything I have said which upset the majority of the membership. I do truly like and respect many of the posters on here and feel I must not give in to what I (personal opinion) feel was an uncalled for action by a bully who could not hold his own without resorting to name-calling.
 
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mikeyank said:
At this point in time, this forum is not a fun place at all, and I have nothing more to say.
I too must apologize for making some of my comments - not all, but certainly some. I still feel the same way as I stated about continuously finding fault with everything - the site, models, their looks, etc. but with a little help, I will try to consider all sources and take such into consideration better. Unfortunately, and please feel free to call me thin-skinned, etc. but I won't drop the issue exacerbated by the name-calling. Had that not happened, I would drop this mess like a used condom, but alas, I do not foresee an apology coming from the other party involved, so my bringing of negativity to their attention must continue. Again, I apologize for anything I have said which upset the majority of the membership. I do truly like and respect many of the posters on here and feel I must not give in to what I (personal opinion) feel was an uncalled for action by a bully who could not hold his own without resorting to name-calling.
I quoted myself above in saying that I had nothing more to say, particularly on this issue, and I have largely remained silent since saying that until I just read your latest post Leedwb. I beg you to please let it go! Johnny is one of the sweetest human beings that I've ever come in contact with in my time on this earth. He is a loving, caring sweetheart of a man, who wears his heart on his sleeve and I love his blunt honesty about what he thinks and how he feels.

The unpleasantness on this thread actually started out as a lighthearted discussion which escalated into a heated debate between three very good, close and loving friends, Peter, Johnny and myself. If you do not know the history of the loving friendship between the three of us, go back and find a thread on this forum called "formite trip" where you will see that Peter and I spent a week together in New York City and Johnny was along for the trip in spirit through our constant chatter about him and nightly talks with him, and we posted pictures of our daily adventures including a wonderful meeting with Betu in upstate New York, and Johnny was totally involved in our daily activities as he posted his admiration for us and wished he could be together with us.

Peter was telling Johnny and I something personal which never should have appeared on the open forum, and in his above post this morning he said, "Well I apologize for how this thread turned out. I had other avenues to express what I felt, but chose to air it here on a open forum so for that I apologize." Unfortunately you jumped onto Peter's comments Leedwb and piled on and it came across as pouring salt into Johnny's wounds. He lashed out at you as he was hurt by Peter's comments and then things just went downhill.

You say you "truly like and respect many of the posters on here". I would ask you, no make that beg you Leedwb to just let this all go. Many of the folks on this thread including ertas23, Buckeye1, betudidntknow, and stowe1 are all good friends with Johnny, Peter and myself, and I feel that I can speak for all of them in begging you to please let it all go. If I had the power to close this thread, I would. It was all sort of "inside discussion" in a public setting and you got involved unintentionally.

I will apologize to you Leedwb, from the bottom of my heart if you will please just let this all go. I totally concur with Peter in his post saying, "I completely agree with what Stowe and Buckeye said in regards to lets get back to where we were a bunch of pervs talking about young boys naked..." That's why we all came here. If you want to private message me Leedwb, I will be glad to discuss this further with you privately, but from the bottom of my heart, I beg you to just let it go on this public forum. Thank you very much.
 
I was not going to post on this thread again. But..I have too.Thank You mike.For your more than Beautiful post.You are a Beautiful man.
I feel blessed and more than honored having you as my friend.I am a big sissy. You should all know that by now?
I am not a fighter so my words come out very child like. As I say ' That is just me' Well it really is.I am not a great writer. Some of my words may come out as harsh.
I will double check what I say from now on. Because I felt so hurt this week. I don't want to do that too anyone else.
Thank you too the people that have stuck with me. After all they are just words. But they can hurt as much as a knife.
I hope this is over. It is for me. As one of my favorite lady's of the screen has said.What ever shall be shall be.Well for me his thread is over.
So again.. Thank You mike. I feel like a very lucky person. And I hope everyone on the forum a wonderful day.
Mike I will call you when I get home from work. xoxo And these really are my last words on this terrible thread.
I HOPE.
 
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Now that it seems as if those who believed they needed to say their "mea culpas" have done so, can we now consign this thread to the dustbin of history? Don't answer that; just let it die a quick death!!! -
 
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