An Open Forum Question for Joninliverton

[JohnnyG919]

I made that statement to address the "mood" I get in when, the long-time members hold on to their disappointment with what the site used to be like, compared to the models, and the approach/direction being displayed today.

I'm not sure I understand the reason for your mood. It seems perfectly natural to express disappointment in the fact that the basic premise of the site - the reason we joined - has largely been taken away. And what's worse is that every time we actually get a scene that adheres to the original premise, there's always a very vocal group who's upset that a straight man may actually have behaved like - God, forbid - a straight man.

I totally get that there are varied tastes on the site. We've had so few scenes recently where the guys have actually been allowed to appear straight that we're bound to have a whole bunch of folks who enjoy that. I don't have an issue with that. I only have an issue with the fact that those of us who joined for the original premise of the site seem to be getting less and less of what we signed up for. It doesn't seem to me that an even mix should be too much to ask for.

 

[mikeyank]

Good discussion thread, mikey; and a question for you referring to the highlighted portion of your original post above:

You say you've had a fetish for straight guys having gay sex since jr high. In your fantasies, are they having it with you as a gay guy?

Thanks Stowe for enjoying this discussion, and to answer your question, I can remember being on the beach at my families summer bungalow on Long Beach, Long Island when I was just going through puberty and seeing the older teens in their swim suits on the beach and admiring their emerging manly bodies with some hair in their armpits, and hair on their legs too, noticing beautiful bulges in their trunks as well.

The guys that I would notice were the older teens either playing ball or horsing around with their buddies, or holding hands or cuddled up on a beach towel with a "bikini babe". I can clearly remember being around age thirteen, coming home from the beach before my older brother and while showering, I would think about the masculine guys with their smooth hard bodies and their bulges in their suits, and I would jerk it, standing in the shower imagining going somewhere secret with one or two of them and getting on my knees and taking their cocks in my mouth.

And now 50 years later my fantasies remain similar, and that fantasy type of guy is what attracted me, when I first stumbled upon this site. Hopefully in the future, I will at least occasionally see a Mike Robbins, Tank Shane, Jordan or Jimmy Johnson type again, so I can once again "jerk it" while imagining myself between their legs giving pleasure to their manly dicks hearing them moan or even telling me to suck their dick.

 

[mikeyank]

I'm not sure I understand the reason for your mood. It seems perfectly natural to express disappointment in the fact that the basic premise of the site - the reason we joined - has largely been taken away. And what's worse is that every time we actually get a scene that adheres to the original premise, there's always a very vocal group who's upset that a straight man may actually have behaved like - God, forbid - a straight man.

I totally get that there are varied tastes on the site. We've had so few scenes recently where the guys have actually been allowed to appear straight that we're bound to have a whole bunch of folks who enjoy that. I don't have an issue with that. I only have an issue with the fact that those of us who joined for the original premise of the site seem to be getting less and less of what we signed up for. It doesn't seem to me that an even mix should be too much to ask for.

JohnnyG, I totally agree 100% with every single word of your post.

As I've been expressing my dissatisfaction in the direction of the site over the last few months, I thought that I was in a very small minority, but I am pleased to discover that I am not alone in my thoughts and in what I would love for Broke Straight Boys to get back to even on a limited basis.

 

[bobbity]

JohnnyG, I totally agree 100% with every single word of your post.

As I've been expressing my dissatisfaction in the direction of the site over the last few months, I thought that I was in a very small minority, but I am pleased to discover that I am not alone in my thoughts and in what I would love for Broke Straight Boys to get back to even on a limited basis.

So, what sort of visual aspects or behavior would you like to see when it comes to the videos/actors? I'm guessing passion is off the table, so maybe hesitation? Reticence? Uncertainty? Nervousness? Disdain? Though this is something I loathe; like you came here to do gay porn, dude. Get over it and bend over while you're at it. LOL.
I do think it's exciting to watch when a straight guy discovers something pleasurable in an act they thought they'd hate. And I do think it's important for Broke Straight Boys to provide a variety of scenes but I also think, we as viewers need to clarify what we'd like to see and maybe Broke Straight Boys can reach a nice happy medium where everyone is getting what they want.

 

[tampa24]

So, what sort of visual aspects or behavior would you like to see when it comes to the videos/actors? I'm guessing passion is off the table, so maybe hesitation? Reticence? Uncertainty? Nervousness? Disdain? Though this is something I loathe; like you came here to do gay porn, dude. Get over it and bend over while you're at it. LOL.
I do think it's exciting to watch when a straight guy discovers something pleasurable in an act they thought they'd hate. And I do think it's important for Broke Straight Boys to provide a variety of scenes but I also think, we as viewers need to clarify what we'd like to see and maybe Broke Straight Boys can reach a nice happy medium where everyone is getting what they want.

I'm right there with you Bobbity. lol

I have the somewhat contradictory desire to see new straight guys nervously and reticently fumbling their way through and then sometimes finding they like it...while at the same time wanting them to put on a good show. What I mean by that is that I get irritated if they get all pissy about doing the work. haha It's like, "C'mon dude. You're getting paid for this. You knew what you were signing up for. So open wide and let him put the dick in your mouth...or bend over and take it like a man...if that's what the scene calls for." LOL

If only, we as viewers could clarify what we want to see, to help the Broke Straight Boys staff achieve that happy medium. But...even within the forum that contains only a fraction of the overall membership, we can't agree on what floats our boats collectively. We can't even break it down into two or three neat little categories of sex that turn us on. And therein lies the rub. Broke Straight Boys does not have an easy task trying to please even most of the people most of the time.

 

[stowe1]

Good discussion thread, mikey; and a question for you referring to the highlighted portion of your original post above:

You say you've had a fetish for straight guys having gay sex since jr high. In your fantasies, are they having it with you as a gay guy?

Thanks Stowe for enjoying this discussion, and to answer your question, I can remember being on the beach at my families summer bungalow on Long Beach, Long Island when I was just going through puberty and seeing the older teens in their swim suits on the beach and admiring their emerging manly bodies with some hair in their armpits, and hair on their legs too, noticing beautiful bulges in their trunks as well.

The guys that I would notice were the older teens either playing ball or horsing around with their buddies, or holding hands or cuddled up on a beach towel with a "bikini babe". I can clearly remember being around age thirteen, coming home from the beach before my older brother and while showering, I would think about the masculine guys with their smooth hard bodies and their bulges in their suits, and I would jerk it, standing in the shower imagining going somewhere secret with one or two of them and getting on my knees and taking their cocks in my mouth.

And now 50 years later my fantasies remain similar, and that fantasy type of guy is what attracted me, when I first stumbled upon this site. Hopefully in the future, I will at least occasionally see a Mike Robbins, Tank Shane, Jordan or Jimmy Johnson type again, so I can once again "jerk it" while imagining myself between their legs giving pleasure to their manly dicks hearing them moan or even telling me to suck their dick.

Thanks for the full explanation of your fantasies with respect to those straight guys. And believe me I had very similar ones at that age and still do at my more advanced age now. But your explanation leads to another question; and that is, if your fantasy was and continues to be you, a gay guy, servicing a straight stud, then why is it so important for you to have 2 straight guys servicing each other here on Broke Straight Boys? I don't see how that fits in with you lifelong fantasy.

 

[Beth]

And you love your Formites!!

Only "parts" of them..... okay, your fingers too, since they type.

 

[betudidntknow]

But I am wondering if from what's been said by Mark, how the models that apply have changed and someone else pointed out that it's getting even harder to tell what some of these young men's real orientation is, will it ever be the same? Do you think it's the way the site is being managed or is it the pool of guys that they are getting?

 

[joninliverton]

Mike, I'm now wondering why you chose to the title of the thread as you did. Why didn't you just give it another title which more depicts what has recently been posted, instead of involving me personally. Just saying..

 

[mikeyank]

Mike, I'm now wondering why you chose to the title of the thread as you did. Why didn't you just give it another title which more depicts what has recently been posted, instead of involving me personally. Just saying..

Because on the Kyle Johnson thread where many had complained that he did not appear to be straight and you said, "I gave this a 5. I don't give a fuck about his sexuality he put on a darned good show."

And due to the recent trend, (which I call BSB3), the current models are often kissing and making tender passionate love from start to finish in their scenes, and you and others praise this type of work on this site, I thought to ask you specifically as a leader of the praise, and to anyone else who cared to comment, why it is that you joined and what about this site holds you here if the straight aspect is irrelevant to you.

And I am very pleased to read all the comments here regarding my question. As you know threads often meander but I feel that this one has stayed pretty much on topic, and is somewhat enlightening.

 

[mikeyank]

Thanks for the full explanation of your fantasies with respect to those straight guys. And believe me I had very similar ones at that age and still do at my more advanced age now. But your explanation leads to another question; and that is, if your fantasy was and continues to be you, a gay guy, servicing a straight stud, then why is it so important for you to have 2 straight guys servicing each other here on Broke Straight Boys? I don't see how that fits in with you lifelong fantasy.

It is not actually important at all for my fantasies for there to necessarily be two straight guys servicing each other. Some of my favorite scenes involve a masculine "straight type" guy being serviced by a potentially "gay type" guy, such as Mike Robbins & Jordan double-teaming both Scott and Preston, or Tank Shane being serviced by Gino, or Rabib & Daxter, or even the Jimmy Johnson & Jason Matthews scene where Clay encouraged Jimmy to be dominant with Jason. The scenario of one model being clearly a bottom, enjoying being sexually "dominated" by an apparently very straight masculine type of guy is a big turn on too, as I identify with the "gay" type being dominated by the "straight" type.

But it is also interesting to me when initially both guys appear rather str8 at the start, and we watch them being told to touch one another or to suck cock, as we see if one assumes the dominant role, and if the other finds themselves really enjoying the other guy's cock much more than he or we ever expected. And sometimes both guys remain very straight acting and neither appears to like what they are being told to do. Every pairing does not have to "work", just as in real life where I've gone home with guys from bars or cruising areas and it just didn't work out, but it is reality and that is what I like to be able to believe that I am watching here.

 

[joninliverton]

Because on the Kyle Johnson thread where many had complained that he did not appear to be straight and you said, "I gave this a 5. I don't give a fuck about his sexuality he put on a darned good show."

And due to the recent trend, (which I call BSB3), the current models are often kissing and making tender passionate love from start to finish in their scenes, and you and others praise this type of work on this site, I thought to ask you specifically as a leader of the praise, and to anyone else who cared to comment, why it is that you joined and what about this site holds you here if the straight aspect is irrelevant to you.

And I am very pleased to read all the comments here regarding my question. As you know threads often meander but I feel that this one has stayed pretty much on topic, and is somewhat enlightening.

Thats cool..

 

[JohnnyG919]

So, what sort of visual aspects or behavior would you like to see when it comes to the videos/actors? I'm guessing passion is off the table, so maybe hesitation? Reticence? Uncertainty? Nervousness? Disdain? Though this is something I loathe; like you came here to do gay porn, dude. Get over it and bend over while you're at it. LOL.
I do think it's exciting to watch when a straight guy discovers something pleasurable in an act they thought they'd hate. And I do think it's important for Broke Straight Boys to provide a variety of scenes but I also think, we as viewers need to clarify what we'd like to see and maybe Broke Straight Boys can reach a nice happy medium where everyone is getting what they want.

Let's see...

Hesitation - perhaps
Reticence - not so much
Uncertainty - sure
Nervousness - why not
Disdain - maybe a little
Maybe even a little trepidation thrown in for good measure.

But it's really not so much about specific things I want to see. It's more about the guys being real. Let's start with the basics; given that the name of the site is Broke Straight Boys, it's kind of logical to assume that the models on the site are going to be:

a) broke
b) straight

What's not so subtly implied here is that, because these guys ARE straight, they wouldn't be doing this if they didn't need the money - at least initially. Now, in my experience, straight guys as a general rule don't 'love the cock.' (They might have very high esteem for their own mind you, but they don't usually go seeking out others.) Now under normal circumstances, there's usually only 3 reasons that a straight guy would even consider sex with another guy:

1) He's getting paid enough money to make it worth his while.
2) He's the designated prison bitch.
3) He's all horned up and there are no females around.

(All three of these provide great fantasy fuel, by the way, but that's another issue.) Even with that last one, he's more likely to take matters in hand himself than go looking for an over-eager fairy to satisfy his need. The point is, sex with another dude isn't really something he's been dying to try. (Unless, of course, he's not really straight - but again that's another issue.) It's kind of natural for him to be less than excited about it, nervous, uncertain and probably even a little freaked out. Expressing any or all of these things does NOT make him:

a) homophobic
b) a hater
c) a closet queen who's just trying to cover it up (well, maybe sometimes)

So I like to see, at least some of the time, a guy who is unapologetically straight, reacting the way a straight man would react in such a situation. Not feigned. Not rehearsed. Just being who he is. He shouldn't have to be afraid of being crucified in the forums for being himself. Unless the guy is running around screaming "I hate fags" I think he should pretty much be given a free pass. And every so often, it's really nice to see a guy who totally expected to hate it, be surprised by the fact that it's actually pretty good - even if it's not something he'd do every day.

So there you have it - the world according to JohnnyG.

And that's the truth, Plpthttttt!

 

[mikeyank]

JohnnyG, are you sure that you are not me? For that is once again exactly the way I see things too.

 

[JohnnyG919]

JohnnyG, are you sure that you are not me? For that is once again exactly the way I see things too.

Not unless you're a fat, balding, 45 year old from Pennsylvania.

We do share a lot of the same views though, Mike.

 

[joeychuck2]

straight guys??? In my opinion NO SUCH THING. I'd say that ALL GUYS are at least bi. Some have 100% sex with women but in their minds they have sex with men too. Straight porn has more mixed partners than just women. why? cause guys as well as women like to see a cock.

 

[tampa24]

straight guys??? In my opinion NO SUCH THING. I'd say that ALL GUYS are at least bi. Some have 100% sex with women but in their minds they have sex with men too. Straight porn has more mixed partners than just women. why? cause guys as well as women like to see a cock.

While I'm sure that many straight guys would take exception to your claim Joey, it's not totally without merit. haha How many straight guys can honestly say that they never tried to get a look at another guy's dick in a lockerroom? Or how many straight guys can honestly say they never in their life purposely looked over a urinal just to see what the other guy had? Or to see if the other guy's was bigger? lol

 

[mikeyank]

straight guys??? In my opinion NO SUCH THING. I'd say that ALL GUYS are at least bi. Some have 100% sex with women but in their minds they have sex with men too. Straight porn has more mixed partners than just women. why? cause guys as well as women like to see a cock.

I have to disagree with that premise Joey, as if that were so then you would also have to say that conversely no guy is 100% gay, and I've never in my mind visualized fucking a woman or eating out her (private parts).

 

[JohnnyG919]

I have to disagree with that premise Joey, as if that were so then you would also have to say that conversely no guy is 100% gay, and I've never in my mind visualized fucking a woman or eating out her (private parts).

LOL, I so totally did NOT need that image! I'm going to have to scrub my brain with Brillo pads. Is it possible to be 150% gay?

 

[mikeyank]

LOL, I so totally did NOT need that image! I'm going to have to scrub my brain with Brillo pads. Is it possible to be 150% gay?

Johnny, now I am sure that we are two different people, living in two different states, but sharing the same brain.

I sure agree that it is no pretty image, but I felt it necessary to make a point.

Now back to cock talk!