Who gets the award for best top turned bottom?

[Devo1124]

One of the things I absolutely love about Broke Straight Boys and sites with large archives, is the ability to track a model's progress as they get used to gay sex. Especially, real straight guys and bottoming. It's such a huge turn on, seeing their first initial scene and then watching their later scenes. So tell me... who's the best top turned bottom? A straight model whose first bottoming scene was tentative, ouchy, and they just weren't enjoying it compared to their later scenes where they're comfortable and totally enjoy getting fucked. Now while there are plenty gay/bi models on Broke Straight Boys who make this journey (Danny Cannon is a great example of this), extra points to real straight guys. I think Ben Dover, Brandon Beal and Zeno Kostas are perfect examples of masculine straight guys who grow to love bottoming and aren't shy about showing it while getting fucked.

Who else? Name a few so we can all go back through the archives and track their progress! And then we'll name a winner!

The first name I'm gonna throw out is Kaden Porter:

His first gay scene with Gage Owens:

https://members.brokestraightboys.com/play/MTUwNA==/kaden-porter-fucks-gage-owens-

His first bottoming scene with Jesse:

https://members.brokestraightboys.com/play/MTU0Ng==/jesse-avalon-fucks-kaden-porter-raw

His best bottoming scene (IMO):

https://members.brokestraightboys.com/play/MTg2Nw==/jos-alvarez-fucks-kaden-porter

 

[kgmets]

One of the things I absolutely love about Broke Straight Boys and sites with large archives, is the ability to track a model's progress as they get used to gay sex. Especially, real straight guys and bottoming. It's such a huge turn on, seeing their first initial scene and then watching their later scenes. So tell me... who's the best top turned bottom? A straight model whose first bottoming scene was tentative, ouchy, and they just weren't enjoying it compared to their later scenes where they're comfortable and totally enjoy getting fucked. Now while there are plenty gay/bi models on Broke Straight Boys who make this journey (Danny Cannon is a great example of this), extra points to real straight guys. I think Ben Dover, Brandon Beal and Zeno Kostas are perfect examples of masculine straight guys who grow to love bottoming and aren't shy about showing it while getting fucked.

Who else? Name a few so we can all go back through the archives and track their progress! And then we'll name a winner!

The first name I'm gonna throw out is Kaden Porter:

His first gay scene with Gage Owens:

https://members.brokestraightboys.com/play/MTUwNA==/kaden-porter-fucks-gage-owens-

His first bottoming scene with Jesse:

https://members.brokestraightboys.com/play/MTU0Ng==/jesse-avalon-fucks-kaden-porter-raw

His best bottoming scene (IMO):

https://members.brokestraightboys.com/play/MTg2Nw==/jos-alvarez-fucks-kaden-porter

When I started to read your post, Kaden Porter was the first name that popped into my mind, because, unlike his gay twin Kyle, Kaden Alexander insisted that he was a straight total top and apparently proved it by topping in his first ten or so scenes with partners. But then Jos Alvarez popped Kaden Alexander's anal cherry and fucked his virgin ass so well that thereafter Kaden Alexander was 50/50 top/bottom and evolved into a really good bottom. Sky Clesi similarly was insistent that he was a straight top, also topped in all of his early scenes, also had his virgin ass taken by Jos Alvarez and thereafter became a sensational bottom. Kaden Alexander and Sky were with Broke Straight Boys in the last few years. I'm sure that you can find lots more from top to bottom straight guys in the Broke Straight Boys archives.

 

[Jaybifla]

When I started to read your post, Kaden Porter was the first name that popped into my mind, because, unlike his gay twin Kyle, Kaden Alexander insisted that he was a straight total top and apparently proved it by topping in his first ten or so scenes with partners. But then Jos Alvarez popped Kaden Alexander's anal cherry and fucked his virgin ass so well that thereafter Kaden Alexander was 50/50 top/bottom and evolved into a really good bottom. Sky Clesi similarly was insistent that he was a straight top, also topped in all of his early scenes, also had his virgin ass taken by Jos Alvarez and thereafter became a sensational bottom. Kaden Alexander and Sky were with Broke Straight Boys in the last few years. I'm sure that you can find lots more from top to bottom straight guys in the Broke Straight Boys archives.

I agree with Sky. I’m not that familiar with the earlier years, so it’s definitely Sky for me. It was a classic, “hit it and quit it”. He came to Broke Straight Boys to get some dick (and ass) and then retired after 2 trips to the Broke Straight Boys house. It makes me sad that he quit so soon.

 

[tampa24]

When I started to read your post, Kaden Porter was the first name that popped into my mind, because, unlike his gay twin Kyle, Kaden Alexander insisted that he was a straight total top and apparently proved it by topping in his first ten or so scenes with partners. But then Jos Alvarez popped Kaden Alexander's anal cherry and fucked his virgin ass so well that thereafter Kaden Alexander was 50/50 top/bottom and evolved into a really good bottom. Sky Clesi similarly was insistent that he was a straight top, also topped in all of his early scenes, also had his virgin ass taken by Jos Alvarez and thereafter became a sensational bottom. Kaden Alexander and Sky were with Broke Straight Boys in the last few years. I'm sure that you can find lots more from top to bottom straight guys in the Broke Straight Boys archives.

One thing I found both fascinating and amusing with the "straight" twin Kaden Alexander was that right out of the gate, he sucked dick like an absolute pro. Like he did it as a daily hobby. lol At the time I even went as far as to say that Kaden Alexander sucked dick better than me. haha And not that I'm bad at it. haha Kaden Alexander very easily and very quickly inhaled every bit of Gage Owens's long, thick dick like it was a freakin match stick or something equally tiny. I have expected Kaden Alexander to ask Gage Owens something like, Is that all ya got? haha

 

[tampa24]

I think the gist of the intent of this thread is mentioning models who started off very straight and refused to bottom in the beginning, but eventually ended up bottoming very well. With the fog of time I can't be remember how long the progression took with some of my favorites. But as far as favorite models of mine who started off very straight but also learned to do very well in their bottoming scenes... I would mention Dakota Ford and Spencer Todd.

Dakota Ford


https://members.brokestraightboys.com/modelpage.php?id=427


Spencer Todd


https://members.brokestraightboys.com/modelpage.php?id=172

 

[geraldd1982]

I still think the scene when Diesal bottomed for Jimmy is one of the sexiest scenes on the site. The kissing and the fucking were on point. I actually found myself wondering if they were involved off camera and tweeted Jimmy to ask him a couple of years ago

 

[mikeyank]

I still think the scene when Diesal bottomed for Jimmy is one of the sexiest scenes on the site. The kissing and the fucking were on point. I actually found myself wondering if they were involved off camera and tweeted Jimmy to ask him a couple of years ago

Now that Broke Straight Boys-1 director David is back on the forum, perhaps he could comment as he hired the two models and directed the scene.

 

[Foxyman1961]

I think the gist of the intent of this thread is mentioning models who started off very straight and refused to bottom in the beginning, but eventually ended up bottoming very well. With the fog of time I can't be remember how long the progression took with some of my favorites. But as far as favorite models of mine who started off very straight but also learned to do very well in their bottoming scenes... I would mention Dakota Ford and Spencer Todd.

Dakota Ford
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https://members.brokestraightboys.com/modelpage.php?id=427


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https://members.brokestraightboys.com/modelpage.php?id=172

I am so with you on Dakota Ford Tampa . Dakota and Cage Kafig are both my favourite models, even though both are no longer at Broke Straight Boys, although I would love to see them back. Of the current batch in recent years my current number one is still Cody Smith and I think we also need to mention Ryan Pitt and Calhoun. All sexy, hot young guys , If I were to pick just one it would be Dakota Ford One very hot,sizzling man. Love him.

 

[tampa24]

I still think the scene when Diesal bottomed for Jimmy is one of the sexiest scenes on the site. The kissing and the fucking were on point. I actually found myself wondering if they were involved off camera and tweeted Jimmy to ask him a couple of years ago

If memory serves, the story I remember from that time was that Jimmie didn't really grasp the significance to the site of the scenes he did with Diesal He was working many different site at the time and just kind of took his money from these scenes and ran. We tried to pair them off as a real couple. lol But even Diesal said that there was no off-screen romance.

 

[kgmets]

I agree with Sky. I’m not that familiar with the earlier years, so it’s definitely Sky for me. It was a classic, “hit it and quit it”. He came to Broke Straight Boys to get some dick (and ass) and then retired after 2 trips to the Broke Straight Boys house. It makes me sad that he quit so soon.

Same here about Sky's premature retirement. Perhaps he really was straight and was frightened about how much he enjoyed bottoming after Jos Alvarez broke him in.

 

[Kermit]

Kaden Alexander was always terrific, my favourite topping scene he did was with Jared.

I would also say that John Henry was great at going from top to bottom and was exceptional in working with newbies.

 

[Repareur]

I think the gist of the intent of this thread is mentioning models who started off very straight and refused to bottom in the beginning, but eventually ended up bottoming very well. With the fog of time I can't be remember how long the progression took with some of my favorites. But as far as favorite models of mine who started off very straight but also learned to do very well in their bottoming scenes... I would mention Dakota Ford and Spencer Todd.

Dakota Ford
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https://members.brokestraightboys.com/modelpage.php?id=427


Spencer Todd
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https://members.brokestraightboys.com/modelpage.php?id=172

Tampa I think you hit it right on. Zeno Kostas also comes to mind as one who didn’t want to bottom. His first scene bottoming didn’t go well but then he came back and tried again and before long he was twerking on some dick. Lol. Now that’s a conversion. But Zeno Kostas got all religious in real life and turned against his porn career and maybe being gay also.

It’s my experience most guys enjoy it if they learn to relax. It feels good even to straight guys and many straight guys I have met have role reversal fantasies. Damn, who am I not to help them out with those fantasies? Lol

 

[tampa24]

Tampa I think you hit it right on. Zeno Kostas also comes to mind as one who didn’t want to bottom. His first scene bottoming didn’t go well but then he came back and tried again and before long he was twerking on some dick. Lol. Now that’s a conversion. But Zeno Kostas got all religious in real life and turned against his porn career and maybe being gay also.

Thanks for responding to my post Rep.

Respectfully, you and I have a somewhat different perception of Zeno Kostas's post-Broke Straight Boys life. Zeno Kostas's story is more complex than the stereotypical ex porn model finds religion and leaves the porn and sex industry for good, along with a sense of shame and self-loathing for past "sins" and mistakes. From the moment Zeno Kostas arrived he was always very forthcoming about his strong religious faith. The huge tattooed cross on his back being one clue. But he expressed his deep Christian faith not at all in an overbearing or proselytizing way. But just that he saw himself as having a strong presumably Greek Orthodox upbringing and a strong moral code. Obviously his own interpretation of his faith was not so ultra-conservative as to prevent him from considering porn as an option to make money.

After he left Broke Straight Boys he still kept in touch with many of his Broke Straight Boys fans through his twitter account. Then suddenly he ditched that account and left it behind. Maybe he didn't want the notoriety of an active twitter account to ruin his career chances and advancement within his mainstream day job. After Broke Straight Boys he worked in the healthcare industry and he also worked as a go-go dancer in a gay bar. I have no way of knowing for sure whether he was doing both jobs simultaneously or not. Though I suspect he was. As far as I know he has now left the porn/sex industry altogether and is working a mainstream job. If so, good for him! Models and dancers have a shorter shelf life in the industry than in other regular jobs. So a smart, ambitious man plans ahead.

Here're links to a few threads where he talked about his concerns of opening a twitter account, as well as just times that he corresponded with us in the forum on other topics. I don't expect that everyone will want to view every single thread. And there are many more threads that Zeno Kostas chatted with us on. So these are just a few I researched and picked and picked out.

This one is Zeno Kostas's original BTS introduction to us: (On 4/5/14 to be exact)

https://members.brokestraightboys.com/play/MTE5Nw==/introducing-zeno-kostas

And then here is a just a small portion of all the threads that Zeno Kostas posted to us on.

Thread: Wow what an interview

https://members.brokestraightboys.com/forum/showthread.php?6900-Wow-what-an-interview

Thread: Zeno Kostas solo release on 03/12/2014

https://members.brokestraightboys.c...p?6793-Zeno-Kostas-solo-release-on-03-12-2014


Thread: Zeno Kostas first scene with Paul Canon

https://members.brokestraightboys.c...6807-Zeno-Kostas-first-scene-with-Paul-Cannon

Thread: Go public or Remain low key?

https://members.brokestraightboys.com/forum/showthread.php?8509-Go-public-or-Remain-low-key/page4


Thread: Zeno Kostas and Tate....

https://members.brokestraightboys.com/forum/showthread.php?7041-Zeno-and-Tate

 

[mikeyank]

I was never a fan of Zeno Kostas's, either his physical looks or his "shitty" attitude to my taste. I guess I felt about Zeno Kostas the same way you felt about Jimmy Johnson, Tampa. To my sensibilities Zeno Kostas was "stealing" my money as I never liked him or watched his scenes. I felt the same way about Denver who I actually met and got his autograph on my Broke Straight Boys towel, along with Jason & Blake. I didn't like Denver any more in person than I did in his scenes. Just personal preferences I guess.

 

[tampa24]

I was never a fan of Zeno Kostas's, either his physical looks or his "shitty" attitude to my taste. I guess I felt about Zeno Kostas the same way you felt about Jimmy Johnson, Tampa. To my sensibilities Zeno Kostas was "stealing" my money as I never liked him or watched his scenes. I felt the same way about Denver who I actually met and got his autograph on my Broke Straight Boys towel, along with Jason & Blake. I didn't like Denver any more in person than I did in his scenes. Just personal preferences I guess.

I never knew you felt that way about Zeno Kostas, Mikey. Huh. I've always remembered him as having a positive attitude. But maybe it's selective memory? lol I don't recall you ever expressing that back in the day. But different strokes for different folks. Nobody is going to be everyone's cup of tea.

 

[mikeyank]

But different strokes for different folks. Nobody is going to be everyone's cup of tea.

That is exactly the way it is Tampa. I probably held back in my opinion of Zeno Kostas back when he was on the site, as he was an active participant on the forum, and I would never want to say anything negative about a model who reads the forum. I learned that lesson a long time ago when a model named Flint was on the forum, and I still feel bad to this day how mine and other people's negative comments hurt his feelings so much. My bad. But I feel confident that Zeno Kostas no longer reads the forum, so I can be more direct about how I felt about him. Different strokes indeed Tampa!

 

[tampa24]

That is exactly the way it is Tampa. I probably held back in my opinion of Zeno Kostas back when he was on the site, as he was an active participant on the forum, and I would never want to say anything negative about a model who reads the forum. I learned that lesson a long time ago when a model named Flint was on the forum, and I still feel bad to this day how mine and other people's negative comments hurt his feelings so much. My bad. But I feel confident that Zeno Kostas no longer reads the forum, so I can be more direct about how I felt about him. Different strokes indeed Tampa!

Yes. I remember the situation with Flint very well. I felt really bad that he got his heart broken here in the forum with the negative feedback and lower ratings to his scenes.

 

[Foxyman1961]

Yes. I remember the situation with Flint very well. I felt really bad that he got his heart broken here in the forum with the negative feedback and lower ratings to his scenes.

I wasn't a member back then so don't know the back story here but as you and Mikeyank both mention that Flint received low scores, if this was justified in his performance neither of you should feel guilty because he got and read bad reviews. I think to be in porn you have to grow a hard shell because if we as the paying public give bad reviews I am in no doubt that the Management take notice because of this, at the end of the day they are running a business and if one of their models is not up to scratch he would be gone from that studio . I doubt in a cutthroat industry such as porn there is any room for sentiment no matter how cute the boy is, if he cannot perform to standard he would be dropped. The fact that Flint took this so much to heart indicates to me he shouldn't have been in this industry. No one likes to be criticised but if you are in an industry that is so reliant on feedback you are going to action what your paying customers want. I love the idea that models read the forum and would hope they see criticism here both positive and negative as being away to improve their performance . Clearly Flint didn't if he tells us he is hurt by the comments, that shows a lack of understanding of the real world. If a model thinks they are only ever going to get praise for their work, they in opinion are delusional and need to grow up. Boys please drop the guilt here .

 

[mikeyank]

I wasn't a member back then so don't know the back story here but as you and Mikeyank both mention that Flint received low scores, if this was justified in his performance neither of you should feel guilty because he got and read bad reviews. I think to be in porn you have to grow a hard shell because if we as the paying public give bad reviews I am in no doubt that the Management take notice because of this, at the end of the day they are running a business and if one of their models is not up to scratch he would be gone from that studio . I doubt in a cutthroat industry such as porn there is any room for sentiment no matter how cute the boy is, if he cannot perform to standard he would be dropped. The fact that Flint took this so much to heart indicates to me he shouldn't have been in this industry. No one likes to be criticised but if you are in an industry that is so reliant on feedback you are going to action what your paying customers want. I love the idea that models read the forum and would hope they see criticism here both positive and negative as being away to improve their performance . Clearly Flint didn't if he tells us he is hurt by the comments, that shows a lack of understanding of the real world. If a model thinks they are only ever going to get praise for their work, they in opinion are delusional and need to grow up. Boys please drop the guilt here .

I appreciate that you read what Tampa and I wrote Foxyman. I wasn't going to elaborate as most people who read the forum today don't care much about the models of the past, but as long as you are interested, this is the back story to the best of my recollection.

Back in early 2013, Mark introduced two new models to us on the forum, without them ever appearing on the site. Apparently they were at the house filming their scenes and they both opted to join the forum. All we saw were their thumbnail pics. The two were:

Graham

Flint

Now that I look at Flint's profile pic, I don't think we even had seen that when they joined the forum. The two were very friendly and loved participating on the forum. Some of the forumites starting calling Graham, our "graham cracker" and we asked all kinds of personal questions to them regarding their dick size and stuff and they became great fun on the forum. When we asked how big Flint was and if he was cut or not, he teased us by saying to wait and find out, and a lot of anticipation had built up to finally see these two super friendly guys finally naked and having sex.

Then several weeks later their solos and scenes came out on the site. Graham had a cute face, but a very thin body and actually looked nervous as hell in his scenes, like a "deer in the headlights". And Flint, bless his heart was chubby and not a good performer either. Flint kept his password and checked in on the forum, and discovered that all of his fans of his forum banter were unhappy with his looks and his performance.

He came back on the forum to say something to the effect of, "I guess I choose the wrong profession and that porn is not for me, and I will try something else". It broke my heart, because he was such a sweet guy. it was a very unfortunate confluence of circumstances. That's how I remember the situation.

 

[Repareur]

I never knew you felt that way about Zeno Kostas, Mikey. Huh. I've always remembered him as having a positive attitude. But maybe it's selective memory? lol I don't recall you ever expressing that back in the day. But different strokes for different folks. Nobody is going to be everyone's cup of tea.

I wasn’t a big Zeno Kostas fan but he was one of the models. Who wouldn’t bottom then tried it and evidently liked it. That’s why I added him to the list.

I don’t have lots of info but one of the things Zeno Kostas was doing after porn was a camp councilor for kids. I’m sure a twitter account under a porn name isn’t conducive to keeping that kind of position. I was under the impression that he was kind of dishing the fact that he had done gay porn. But that’s just what I remember from a conversation with someone who was in touch with him it’s not first hand info.