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What Constitutes a Straight Guy doing Gay Porn?

You got my point, guys! My post is not really about the answers, but about the questions. There will always be question which we can't answer using the given 'labels'.

I know it's a cliche to say 'I Don't like labels', but I really don't think they work anymore. I believe they were once necessary to group people and make them stronger, but nowadays it was necessary to create so many sub-categories that it makes no sense anymore.... Because the truth is that people are different, period!

And about being open minded... I don't think it's an excuse... I think people are really more free to do and try whatever they want to without being afraid of judgment or guilty feelings. And those people call themselves 'open minded' just because there are no better word yet.

I am sure some people know themselves very well and they know what they want, but the opposite is also true... Some people don't know who they are but are willing to find out...
 
You got my point, guys! My post is not really about the answers, but about the questions. There will always be question which we can't answer using the given 'labels'.

I know it's a cliche to say 'I Don't like labels', but I really don't think they work anymore. I believe they were once necessary to group people and make them stronger, but nowadays it was necessary to create so many sub-categories that it makes no sense anymore.... Because the truth is that people are different, period!

And about being open minded... I don't think it's an excuse... I think people are really more free to do and try whatever they want to without being afraid of judgment or guilty feelings. And those people call themselves 'open minded' just because there are no better word yet.

I am sure some people know themselves very well and they know what they want, but the opposite is also true... Some people don't know who they are but are willing to find out...


And about being open minded... I don't think it's an excuse... I think people are really more free to do and try whatever they want to without being afraid of judgment or guilty feelings. And those people call themselves 'open minded' just because there are no better word yet.

I am sure some people know themselves very well and they know what they want, but the opposite is also true... Some people don't know who they are but are willing to find out...

This is SOOOO true! "I have an open mind to things" is an easy answer to anything; vague and noncommittal. It is the SAFE response when someone probably wishes to avoid a conflict or justify a position in detail. I have challenged this answer in recent conversations. The tone in their voice went from fairly confident to a raspy stutter. It really is amusing!:biggrin:
 
One more thought, (for now) on The Kinsey Scale. It was developed in 1948 and a lot has changed in society over the last seventy years, and the seven levels on Dr. Kinsey's scale may not be necessarily applicable today, but the over-all concept is as valid today as it was in 1948, as I firmly believe that we all have an innate level of sexuality that we were born with and it is just a question of how we express it.

The example has been used of an otherwise straight man in prison for a long period may have a homosexual relationship while incarcerated. My belief is that will only take place if that man falls into one of the categories of having the capacity for "incidental" homosexual activity and I am quite sure that men with exclusive heterosexual orientation may spend fifty years in prison and never have a man on man sexual experience. I once again use myself as an example as if I were locked up with females for the rest of my life I would never get horny enough to want to have sex with one. It is just not me, and I am quite sure that conversely, there are men who would never have sex with another man under any circumstances. It is the men on the incidental levels who are the one's we call "straight" guys who do gay porn, not the exclusively straight ones.
 
What Constitutes a Straight Guy doing Gay Porn? For me, it is all about what I consider as straight acting. Don't know exactly how to explain it, but Dakota Ford is a perfect example. Every move he makes screams, "I'm a straight man." The fact that he performs gay sex for his fans, is the highest turn on for me. I really believe the boy is straight in his personal life, and that makes me want him even more.

I fully understand the Kinsey scale, but am not interested in trying to fit the models into it. If the model is straight acting, that's good enough for me. Who he has sex with away from the studio, does not interest me. However, if he had a relationship with a woman, it would be hotter for me. I guess my thinking would be that if I were 50 years younger, there might be a chance that I could suck his dick someday. Foolish me.
 
What Constitutes a Straight Guy doing Gay Porn? For me, it is all about what I consider as straight acting. Don't know exactly how to explain it, but Dakota Ford is a perfect example. Every move he makes screams, "I'm a straight man." The fact that he performs gay sex for his fans, is the highest turn on for me. I really believe the boy is straight in his personal life, and that makes me want him even more.

I fully understand the Kinsey scale, but am not interested in trying to fit the models into it. If the model is straight acting, that's good enough for me. Who he has sex with away from the studio, does not interest me. However, if he had a relationship with a woman, it would be hotter for me. I guess my thinking would be that if I were 50 years younger, there might be a chance that I could suck his dick someday. Foolish me.
I don't see the Kinsey scale as being an exactly scientific metric where people have to be "pigeon holed" into one slot or another, but rather a "sliding scale" of sexuality and I totally agree with my distinguished colleague Robb here, that if a guy is involved in a relationship with a woman, while participating in extra curricular activities, specifically letting me suck his dick on the side, it makes it even hotter for me as well. I know that there is no rational reason for this being so, but for me it just is so! And I know what turns me on and that situation does for me! lol :drool:
 
I found this article NOT TO DISCREDIT the Kinsey scale which so many believe is the Bible of explanations to sexuality, but to hopefully share with others interested in the subject, another study done more recently. I don't believe there's anything wrong with gaining knowledge from different sources...

http://www.thedailybeast.com/kinsey-was-wrong-sexuality-isnt-fluid
 
I found this article NOT TO DISCREDIT the Kinsey scale which so many believe is the Bible of explanations to sexuality, but to hopefully share with others interested in the subject, another study done more recently. I don't believe there's anything wrong with gaining knowledge from different sources...

http://www.thedailybeast.com/kinsey-was-wrong-sexuality-isnt-fluid
Thank you Betu for sharing that new study, but based on my own life's experiences I disagree with many of their findings. They say among other things in that article,

"“These results demonstrate that sexual orientation is not a matter of degree but rather of distinct and meaningful categories,” their study, now published in the journal Psychological Science, concludes."

"The researchers found that heterosexual and non-heterosexual adults do indeed fall into different categories, with some variation between genders and, of course, among individuals. Three percent of men and 2.7 percent of women in the sample were not heterosexual (gay, lesbian, or bisexual). The rest were straight. And the line between these two groups was not completely impermeable, but it was still clear."

"Patterns of attraction in the study also varied by gender in meaningful ways: Nearly 5 percent of straight women had some level of same-sex attraction compared to just 2 percent of straight men. And men who reported “some level of bisexuality” were much less likely to identify as straight than were women with self-reported bisexual attraction. Together, the authors say, these findings show that the dividing line between straight and non-straight is “more well-defined” for men than it is for women, but definitely still present for both."


Are they saying that just 3% of men are "non heterosexual"? and that just 2% of straight men have some level of same sex interest? That would be that 97% of the male population would never stray from straight sex only. I don't buy that at all. I've always heard and believed that it is more like ten percent and I've heard that one in ten guys have had some sex with another guy. That makes more sense to me than just 3% unless I am misreading this study????
 
Thank you Betu for sharing that new study, but based on my own life's experiences I disagree with many of their findings. They say among other things in that article,

"“These results demonstrate that sexual orientation is not a matter of degree but rather of distinct and meaningful categories,” their study, now published in the journal Psychological Science, concludes."

"The researchers found that heterosexual and non-heterosexual adults do indeed fall into different categories, with some variation between genders and, of course, among individuals. Three percent of men and 2.7 percent of women in the sample were not heterosexual (gay, lesbian, or bisexual). The rest were straight. And the line between these two groups was not completely impermeable, but it was still clear."

"Patterns of attraction in the study also varied by gender in meaningful ways: Nearly 5 percent of straight women had some level of same-sex attraction compared to just 2 percent of straight men. And men who reported “some level of bisexuality” were much less likely to identify as straight than were women with self-reported bisexual attraction. Together, the authors say, these findings show that the dividing line between straight and non-straight is “more well-defined” for men than it is for women, but definitely still present for both."


Are they saying that just 3% of men are "non heterosexual"? and that just 2% of straight men have some level of same sex interest? That would be that 97% of the male population would never stray from straight sex only. I don't buy that at all. I've always heard and believed that it is more like ten percent and I've heard that one in ten guys have had some sex with another guy. That makes more sense to me than just 3% unless I am misreading this study????

Mikeyank; to be absolutely clear...I know that you are very rigid when it comes to your beliefs and thoughts! I am okay with that...believe me. I really think Bartirah's explanation was the one that I found easiest for me to understand. I realize this is a study, there are no ABSOLUTES. People needed or need something to explain most phenomena's in life (hence labels) so that we can somehow, wrap our brains around it (especially things we don't quite understand.) I think the studies not only were helpful for others to identify people, it also lead to more thought for those who personally find themselves feeling one way or another about their desires, behaviors etc... We've all had various experiences in life, both sexually and non sexually, what may apply to you may not apply to another. We're all born with certain predispositions and sometimes it's even our environment that triggers those things to surface?

So relax my friend, there is no test at the end, there is as always....what we choose to believe that works for each and everyone of us:001_rolleyes:
 
All I've ever tried to say is that my belief is that sexuality is and always has been "fluid" going back to Roman and Greek times right through today, and that various people are at various degrees of sexuality and that the new study presented here, seems to me to be stereotyping too many men into a rigid grouping with no allowance for the variances that I have seen and experienced in my lifetime, by saying "Three percent of men and 2.7 percent of women in the sample were not heterosexual (gay, lesbian, or bisexual). The rest were straight."

I am most definitely open to reading and hearing new and innovative approaches to human sexuality, but I personally find this study off base........but to quote a great person that I know, "that's just me". lol
 
I also look at different methods and studies in every aspect of my life, listening to both sides if you will before I form an opinion. And I have done that with Human sexuality as well, including my own..In my younger years I was very ridged in my thinking of sexuality, you were either straight or gay, but as my life has evolved, and after studying my own feelings and actions, along with what I have seen, been involved with, and studied over the years, It is quite evident that human sexuality is quite fluid.

I view the Kinsey scale not as the standard for human sexuality, but more of a guide to help understand it. labeling sexuality or putting a hard number to the percentage of each group is not something I believe that you can do. That is why I use the Kinsey scale as a Guide.....He really didn't label anyone, or set hard numbers to any particular group, all he stated in his findings are that some men and woman have a desire, to certain degree's, to the same sex. He didn't state that any percentage would act on those desires, he was simply stating they are there, and at the ends of the scale were folks that truly desired a distinct type , but that everyone in between had varying degrees of sexual thoughts and desires.

I believe the people on this site, and the site itself are proof of that very thought, getting to know certain individuals on here over the years has shown me the fluidity of human sexuality, and I think you can see the same in the models. There are folks on here that have been involved with both sexes, and may still be, and folks on here who have only been involved with the same sex. We have seen models on here that have claimed to be straight, who we know are gay , and others that are straight, but have sex with guys for the money or maybe a small desire to try it in a non-personal setting. We have also seen a few models that have done solo's, but never had contact with guys because they couldn't do it with a guy. So my personal findings are simple, you can't apply a ridged label to a person's sexuality, We are who we are, we like what we like, and to quote that great Philosopher from the west coast " That's Just Me" in my humble opinion . :biggrin:
 
I view the Kinsey scale not as the standard for human sexuality, but more of a guide to help understand it. labeling sexuality or putting a hard number to the percentage of each group is not something I believe that you can do. That is why I use the Kinsey scale as a Guide.....He really didn't label anyone, or set hard numbers to any particular group, all he stated in his findings are that some men and woman have a desire, to certain degree's, to the same sex. He didn't state that any percentage would act on those desires, he was simply stating they are there, and at the ends of the scale were folks that truly desired a distinct type , but that everyone in between had varying degrees of sexual thoughts and desires.
Thank you Rafe for saying exactly what I've been trying to say on this thread. I concur 100% with both you and Dr. Kinsey! :thumbup:

We are who we are, we like what we like, and to quote that great Philosopher from the west coast " That's Just Me" in my humble opinion . :biggrin:
And I also completely agree about the wisdom of the "great Philosopher from the west coast". :smiley-love021:
 
What's your opinion? Not what one's ideal fantasy definition, but what by yours or even Webster's definition is a Straight Guy? Would he do gay porn?

Betty Dodson said, "There is no heterosexual, there is no homosexual, there is no bisexual...There is ONLY sexual".

I suppose that straight is a self imposed state of mind. Would a straight guy do gay porn? Why Not. There are literally tons of gay straight and bi porn male performers that go back and forth throughout many sexual genres and have wives, families and even live in suburbia.

I guess the motivations for doing it are many and complicated, but I guess the easiest is money. It is a carreer decision. Doing a movie or working a couple of year for a studio allows for a performer to obtain an audience and a fan base that can sustain a lifestyle.

I had a business associate in San Diego who had a relationship with a gay for pay porn star (Eric Manchester) for years after he stopped making movies for Falcon. Every few months Eric would travel down the coast, leaving his wife and son and would visit his supporters for a visit. That paid for his lifestyle and kept him and his family comfortable and probably still does. So I guess for him a gay porn movie was an ad, in a way.

Men have played women since there was performance art and certainly playing a gay when you are not one is akin to playing Juliet to an actor in Elizabethan England or a whore by a Spartan teen boy looking to get into the military.

Kink.com has guys that play doms or subs in gay straight and bi porn. If they see themselves as straight or gay who are we to judge that they are incorrect. We can just be happy for the straight ones that perform well as gay because we all know not every gay performs well as a gay actor!

Better question might be why are some gay actors so terrible when performing gay porn :001_unsure:
 
I remember Eric Manchester! lol He was quite stunning back in his porn prime.
 
I checked several definitions of the word "straight" being used in a sexual sense and the one I found that makes the most sense is:

"straight certainly means “exclusively attracted to the opposite sex.”

That is why as I've said over and over again here that no truly straight guy is going to perform on a gay porn site such as this one, unless they only do a solo or perhaps let another guy suck their dick, but that too is stretching their identity as being 100% straight.

But that being said, the "straighter" guys who've performed here over the years, i.e., Diesal, Tank Shane, Johnny Forza, Adam Baer, Ayden Troy and the like have most probably lived the straight lifestyle prior to coming to work for Broke Straight Boys They identify as being straight, having relationships with females but they all have to have a "curiosity" or at least a part of themselves that are also sexually interested in gay sex. If not, they would not be able to perform sexually here and certainly not over and over again. The "straighter" guys who do gay porn are either a Kinsey 1 or a Kinsey 2 in my opinion.

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I agree with you that "gay for pay" straight guys are 1-2 on the Kinsey scale, but I think that most straight guys are 1-2 on the Kinsey scale (e.g. straight college jocks who hug each other and pat each other on the butt and guys who say "I was so wasted that I can't remember what I did last night"). I think the more accurate definition of "straight" is "exclusively or for the most part attracted to the opposite gender". Put another way, I think that a majority of straights are Kinsey 1-2 if only subconsciously and that a small minority of straights are Kinsey 0. In my experience, I started as a Kinsey 1, proceeded to Kinsey 2, Kinsey 3 and Kinsey 4 and would up as a Kinsey 5, but at all times could and did perform sexually with attractive persons of both genders.
 
I agree with you that "gay for pay" straight guys are 1-2 on the Kinsey scale, but I think that most straight guys are 1-2 on the Kinsey scale (e.g. straight college jocks who hug each other and pat each other on the butt and guys who say "I was so wasted that I can't remember what I did last night"). I think the more accurate definition of "straight" is "exclusively or for the most part attracted to the opposite gender". Put another way, I think that a majority of straights are Kinsey 1-2 if only subconsciously and that a small minority of straights are Kinsey 0. In my experience, I started as a Kinsey 1, proceeded to Kinsey 2, Kinsey 3 and Kinsey 4 and would up as a Kinsey 5, but at all times could and did perform sexually with attractive persons of both genders.
Thanks so much KG for telling us a bit about your history as a mostly straight guy who traveled the scale from mostly straight to mostly gay. I find it fascinating to learn about how guys evolve through their lives in their sexuality. And meeting guys from all over the country and the world on this forum over the last decade has been most enlightening to me. Two of my longest time friends here both were married with children and did the whole husband and daddy thing until they reached point later in life, where they felt the need to separate from their wives and begin to live as gay men.

I believe that many of the models on Broke Straight Boys had similar questioning feelings about their sexuality. Of course I am not talking about many of the gay boys we have today, but more from the classic eras of BSB1 and BSB2. In fact I was told by a member of Broke Straight Boys staff that Jimmy Johnson would probably have lived a more open bisexual lifestyle had he grown up in a more cosmopolitan area. And the same goes for many of the straighter guys from David's BSB1 like Tank Shane, Diesal and others. And one of the more interesting BTS episodes was the one where the handsome young Logan came to a pride event in Chicago, several years after his time on the futon. Logan told Sha how appearing n Broke Straight Boys had helped him discover his true self. I still maintain that a total Kinsey 0 would have no interest in doing gay for pay porn, no matter how broke they were, just as I being a Kinsey 5 wouldn't or couldn't have done straight porn when I was young. Digging ditches, washing dishes or even cleaning a toilet are more attractive options than for a true straight guy to suck cock, or for a total "queer boy" like me eating pussy! lol
 
I agree with you that "gay for pay" straight guys are 1-2 on the Kinsey scale, but I think that most straight guys are 1-2 on the Kinsey scale (e.g. straight college jocks who hug each other and pat each other on the butt and guys who say "I was so wasted that I can't remember what I did last night"). I think the more accurate definition of "straight" is "exclusively or for the most part attracted to the opposite gender". Put another way, I think that a majority of straights are Kinsey 1-2 if only subconsciously and that a small minority of straights are Kinsey 0. In my experience, I started as a Kinsey 1, proceeded to Kinsey 2, Kinsey 3 and Kinsey 4 and would up as a Kinsey 5, but at all times could and did perform sexually with attractive persons of both genders.

KG, I admire your versatility. I am pretty much a Kinsey 6! I have had very little sexual experience with women but when I was very young though I was attracted to it. I remember being excited about doing my girlfriend in high school but I was always into men. I’ve done some kinky things with men and women together but I was into tihe guy. I have played around with some really straight guys. Who will only let you look at them. So I think Mikeyank is completely right. Couldn’t get it up to have sex with a women on film. I think a supper straight guy couldn’t do it either with a guy. They have to be at least interested or open to the idea. I knew some hustlers that would only do it for money. I think that has to do with thier own hang ups. They really want to but society has mind fucked them so much that they need the excuse that they are getting paid for it to justify doing it.

There was one cute guy I used to fuck. He was a hunky very straight acting guy and he would let you fuck him but you had to give him 20 bucks. He lived with a guy who was fucking him for a while and the guy thought the kid should do it for free after all the kid was living there but the kid moved out. I had no problem with the 20 bucks. That was cheep and he was fun and had a naturally built body and a bubble butt. He went away to truck driver school. There may still be a trucker out there that you can fuck for 20 bucks. Lol

I’m thinking some of these porn guys are the type that can justify doing it for money. I think back in the futon days they really did get some of these guys. Like Bobbie Owens for instance. He was out skate boarding and the producer offered money for sex. He wasn’t cruising. Now did he decide he liked it. Maybe. Maybe sone of these guys find out they are really into men. But we get to see it happen. That’s what got me to Broke Straight Boys I loved to meet guys in non gay pick up places. It’s more fun and more of a challenge.

The best way I think some of these sites get straight guys is to get the guys into doing straight porn. They are already ballsy enough to fuck on camera but then they find out there is more money in fucking guys. Maybe they just fuck the guys for a while but then someone ups the payment and they bottom. Those situations are really hot to me.
 
I completely agree with Rep, that both "straight hustlers" and Classic Broke Straight Boys models use money as the excuse to have gay sex without admitting to themselves that they are gay, or at least along the scale........
 
KG, I admire your versatility. I am pretty much a Kinsey 6! I have had very little sexual experience with women but when I was very young though I was attracted to it. I remember being excited about doing my girlfriend in high school but I was always into men. I’ve done some kinky things with men and women together but I was into tihe guy. I have played around with some really straight guys. Who will only let you look at them. So I think Mikeyank is completely right. Couldn’t get it up to have sex with a women on film. I think a supper straight guy couldn’t do it either with a guy. They have to be at least interested or open to the idea. I knew some hustlers that would only do it for money. I think that has to do with thier own hang ups. They really want to but society has mind fucked them so much that they need the excuse that they are getting paid for it to justify doing it.

There was one cute guy I used to fuck. He was a hunky very straight acting guy and he would let you fuck him but you had to give him 20 bucks. He lived with a guy who was fucking him for a while and the guy thought the kid should do it for free after all the kid was living there but the kid moved out. I had no problem with the 20 bucks. That was cheep and he was fun and had a naturally built body and a bubble butt. He went away to truck driver school. There may still be a trucker out there that you can fuck for 20 bucks. Lol

I’m thinking some of these porn guys are the type that can justify doing it for money. I think back in the futon days they really did get some of these guys. Like Bobbie Owens for instance. He was out skate boarding and the producer offered money for sex. He wasn’t cruising. Now did he decide he liked it. Maybe. Maybe sone of these guys find out they are really into men. But we get to see it happen. That’s what got me to Broke Straight Boys I loved to meet guys in non gay pick up places. It’s more fun and more of a challenge.

The best way I think some of these sites get straight guys is to get the guys into doing straight porn. They are already ballsy enough to fuck on camera but then they find out there is more money in fucking guys. Maybe they just fuck the guys for a while but then someone ups the payment and they bottom. Those situations are really hot to me.

Do you have any idea where that cute trucker who gives up his bubble butt for $20 is presently located?
 
Do you have any idea where that cute trucker who gives up his bubble butt for $20 is presently located?

No, that was more than 25 years ago. He was probably 20. I wish I did. Lol. He looked a little like Kip Knoll. Lol. Seriously really cute but sandy hair not blond.

I will tell you one more hot thing I did with him. After he left the gay guy he was staying with I used to help him out some. He was staying at a cheep hooker hotel on FtWorth ave in oak cliff in DALLAS. It’s were straight female street walkers walked the blvd and not too far from the DALLAS jail. We are talking upscale, not. Lol. Anyway I paid the hotel bill and I told him you want me to pay it tomorrow leave the core closed but unlocked and lay naked face down on the bed legs spread. I told him not to look up if someone cane in just lay there. Guess where I stopped by for lunch just before check out. Lol. The bill got paid.
 
KG, I admire your versatility. I am pretty much a Kinsey 6! I have had very little sexual experience with women but when I was very young though I was attracted to it. I remember being excited about doing my girlfriend in high school but I was always into men. I’ve done some kinky things with men and women together but I was into tihe guy. I have played around with some really straight guys. Who will only let you look at them. So I think Mikeyank is completely right. Couldn’t get it up to have sex with a women on film. I think a supper straight guy couldn’t do it either with a guy. They have to be at least interested or open to the idea. I knew some hustlers that would only do it for money. I think that has to do with thier own hang ups. They really want to but society has mind fucked them so much that they need the excuse that they are getting paid for it to justify doing it.

There was one cute guy I used to fuck. He was a hunky very straight acting guy and he would let you fuck him but you had to give him 20 bucks. He lived with a guy who was fucking him for a while and the guy thought the kid should do it for free after all the kid was living there but the kid moved out. I had no problem with the 20 bucks. That was cheep and he was fun and had a naturally built body and a bubble butt. He went away to truck driver school. There may still be a trucker out there that you can fuck for 20 bucks. Lol

I’m thinking some of these porn guys are the type that can justify doing it for money. I think back in the futon days they really did get some of these guys. Like Bobbie Owens for instance. He was out skate boarding and the producer offered money for sex. He wasn’t cruising. Now did he decide he liked it. Maybe. Maybe sone of these guys find out they are really into men. But we get to see it happen. That’s what got me to Broke Straight Boys I loved to meet guys in non gay pick up places. It’s more fun and more of a challenge.

The best way I think some of these sites get straight guys is to get the guys into doing straight porn. They are already ballsy enough to fuck on camera but then they find out there is more money in fucking guys. Maybe they just fuck the guys for a while but then someone ups the payment and they bottom. Those situations are really hot to me.

Mikeyank, as usual a good thoughtful post. I think that I can pinpoint the exact moment I was Kinsey 3 on the verge of Kinsey 4. I was then a 24 year old graduate student, who, the day after I ceased being her graduate assistant, started a passionate affair with my 25 year old beautiful blond female professor. We fucked like rabbits and marriage was discussed (she dropped me when I decided to continue my education, and she was not prepared to wait). The exact moment was the time, in the midst of fucking her (a most enjoyable pleasurable fuck by the way), I started fantasizing about a hot football player student of hers taking my place and fucking her. So I was fantasizing about the hot body of the jock kid fucking her, when at the time of the fantasy I was fucking her myself. After that torrid affair ended some six months later, I started sampling the male side, liked it and grew to like it more and more. In retrospect, that was the turning point in my Kinsey evolution. I realize that I am taking a chance with this post of being viewed as perhaps mentally and/or sexually deranged, but that's just me. The bottom line is that my starting as a Kinsey 1 and ending up Kinsey 5 means that I was never and could never be a Kinsey 0 or a Kinsey 6. That is why I am in so complete agreement with the gist of your post.
 
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