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USA - 9 year old girl kills her firing instructor

Jon, I appreciate your concerns and sentiments on this tragic accident. Yes, this was a tragic accident.

"What is he doing about this?" HE has fought constantly on this issue since he took office. His hair is grey and he has aged fighting for these causes over the last six years. However, his biggest obstacle is convincing Congress, the elected officials who supposedly represent the voice of the American People. This is a very diverse country and one man cannot do it alone unless he declares dictatorship over the land.

Sad and crazy things are happening all over the world, most of which are hard to understand and accept. Until we become one Nation of Humans on our Planet we will not be at Peace.

Louis
 
The whole issue of gun control is such an insanely heated debated in this country. As long as the NRA has as much political capital as it does we won't see any real changes. I do not own a gun and never will. I just have any interest owning one. I have no problem with people who chose to exercise their Constitution right to bear arms. But I do have problems with automatic/semi-automatic weapons. Just my opinion... I know many would passionately disagree.

Jon, I mean no disrespect to you so please don't take this wrong! I think it's very hard for someone who does not live in the States to understand the complexities of guns in this country. It is so complicated it makes my head spin. I have two rules that I usually stick to... don't talk politics or gun control with people!

All that said, this situation deeply disturbs me. If you're a person who favors owning a gun many parents do teach their kids how to use it. I think it's far better to probably do that in a way that teaches them safety and the dangers of it. But I cannot understand how any parent would consider it reasonable to allow a 9 year old to fire an automatic weapon. I'll go out on a limb (and probably be ready for some to let me have it), but this is nothing short of poor parental judgement!

What good comes out of the situation when a 39 year husband/parent doesn't get to come home to his family? I doubt this 9 year old ever gets over the fact that she killed someone. She will probably be scared for life and that is not some thing she should have to experience. She will never get over the images that will be permanently stored in her memory. Shame on her parents and the idiot who owns the range/restaurant.

This is such an unbelievably sad story. But the only thing that will come out of it is the business will close, the instructor's family will take legal action and a child's life changed forever. No laws will change.
 
What a sad and crazy story this is. What country other than the mad middle eastern ones, allows 9 year olds to fire automatic weapons.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-28951893

read this too. What is he doing about it ?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-21970178

I'm with you on this one Jon. I don't think Obama will be able to do anything about it with the NRA's political and economic influence.

And as for mrfrc's comment about not understanding the complexities of the gun situation I think that it is fairly simple. Assholes continue to think they have a right to own a lethal weapon and innocent civilians die needlessly as a result. Somehow most of the rest of the western world gets on ok without having firearms at home.
 
The whole issue of gun control is such an insanely heated debated in this country. As long as the NRA has as much political capital as it does we won't see any real changes. I do not own a gun and never will. I just have any interest owning one. I have no problem with people who chose to exercise their Constitution right to bear arms. But I do have problems with automatic/semi-automatic weapons. Just my opinion... I know many would passionately disagree.

Jon, I mean no disrespect to you so please don't take this wrong! I think it's very hard for someone who does not live in the States to understand the complexities of guns in this country. It is so complicated it makes my head spin. I have two rules that I usually stick to... don't talk politics or gun control with people!

All that said, this situation deeply disturbs me. If you're a person who favors owning a gun many parents do teach their kids how to use it. I think it's far better to probably do that in a way that teaches them safety and the dangers of it. But I cannot understand how any parent would consider it reasonable to allow a 9 year old to fire an automatic weapon. I'll go out on a limb (and probably be ready for some to let me have it), but this is nothing short of poor parental judgement!

What good comes out of the situation when a 39 year husband/parent doesn't get to come home to his family? I doubt this 9 year old ever gets over the fact that she killed someone. She will probably be scared for life and that is not some thing she should have to experience. She will never get over the images that will be permanently stored in her memory. Shame on her parents and the idiot who owns the range/restaurant.

This is such an unbelievably sad story. But the only thing that will come out of it is the business will close, the instructor's family will take legal action and a child's life changed forever. No laws will change.

No problem with me not understanding the rules dude. But we have had many threads about the same subject in my 5 years membership and I guess I do understand more than the average Brit lol. I do agree with your statements about shame on her parents and the company who runs this shooting range, it was an accident waiting to happen. But judging by past gun outrage incidents in america, something like this is probably being classed as a minor even compared with per say the Colorado school shooting and others.
 
it wasn't the little girl or the weapon that killed the instructor. it was bad judgment that killed the instructor. the only thing that will keep guns out of the wrong hands is the exercise of good judgment.
to have to remember shooting a man, in the head, for the rest of her life, will be a living hell.
the right to keep and bear arms has become wrapped in the right of self-defense which extends to children. those in the womb are protected by the right to defend third parties.
a right meant to defend the states became personal right.
when I look at an ivy covered building, I see a building being damaged. the ivy has become part of the structure. because people expect ivy-covered walls, they have ivy-covered walls. once it starts, it is expected to continue.
now that it has become this far reaching personal right, there may be no way of dealing with gun issues. little girls with guns, mad men with guns, angry men with guns.

jon, a president is only as powerful as congress will allow. within those limits he can act until congress votes to stop him.
I believe as a people, we have a right to know whether there is any reason you should not have a gun. age, mental health, criminal violence, and history of violence would encompass wrong hands to me. my opinion and the proper fare will get you a train ride.
 
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And as for mrfrc's comment about not understanding the complexities of the gun situation I think that it is fairly simple. Assholes continue to think they have a right to own a lethal weapon and innocent civilians die needlessly as a result. Somehow most of the rest of the western world gets on ok without having firearms at home.

Yes I do agree with that statement too, but we don't live in America and we don't understand the way they live. On one of my visits to CA I was watching some TV and there was this programme about LA gang culture and the young gangs going around shooting at each other with all sorts of weapons. I personally think it is too late now to change the gun culture in America and sadly, we will only hear more and more about such tragedies.
 
Yes I do agree with that statement too, but we don't live in America and we don't understand the way they live. On one of my visits to CA I was watching some TV and there was this programme about LA gang culture and the young gangs going around shooting at each other with all sorts of weapons. I personally think it is too late now to change the gun culture in America and sadly, we will only hear more and more about such tragedies.

Agreed, it is too late. Just don't go to CA again please. If you cough too loud near to someone's home they mightiest ale you for a burglar and blow your head off. Who would entertain me then?!
 
Agreed, it is too late. Just don't go to CA again please. If you cough too loud near to someone's home they mightiest ale you for a burglar and blow your head off. Who would entertain me then?!
it maybe only virtual but if all else fails
 
I apologise for the music my brain doesn't work as fast as others and I know this is not a thread to have a laugh about as any loss of life is sad especially someone so young where if the right decisions were made it wouldn't of happened. Dan x
 
Lol I HATE Robbin Williams! I'd rather lose the power to smile rather than listen to the drivel! Lol
I hate Robbie Williams as a person but I do like some of his music which is rare for me as I'm normally an 80s music fan as I love proper music where I can hear the words and understand the meaning
 
I apologise for the music my brain doesn't work as fast as others and I know this is not a thread to have a laugh about as any loss of life is sad especially someone so young where if the right decisions were made it wouldn't of happened. Dan x

I don't think that was inappropriate or insensitive at all. You weren't making fun of his death. Anyway, humour is the only good way to take my mind off this at the minute. If people do take offence then they need to seriously lighten up xx
 
it wasn't the little girl or the weapon that killed the instructor. it was bad judgment that killed the instructor. the only thing that will keep guns out of the wrong hands is the exercise of good judgment.
to have to remember shooting a man, in the head, for the rest of her life, will be a living hell.
the right to keep and bear arms has become wrapped in the right of self-defense which extends to children. those in the womb are protected by the right to defend third parties.
a right meant to defend the states became personal right.
when I look at an ivy covered building, I see a building being damaged. the ivy has become part of the structure. because people expect ivy-covered walls, they have ivy-covered walls. once it starts, it is expected to continue.
now that it has become this far reaching personal right, there may be no way of dealing with gun issues. little girls with guns, mad men with guns, angry men with guns.

jon, a president is only as powerful as congress will allow. within those limits he can act until congress votes to stop him.
I believe as a people, we have a right to know whether there is any reason you should not have a gun. age, mental health, criminal violence, and history of violence would encompass wrong hands to me. my opinion and the proper fare will get you a train ride.

The problem with ivy covered buildings is that the ivy gets through the cracks and without treatment will eventually assist in eroding the building until it eventually comes crashing down. This analogy could refer to the gun law.
 
I'm with you on this one Jon. I don't think Obama will be able to do anything about it with the NRA's political and economic influence.

And as for mrfrc's comment about not understanding the complexities of the gun situation I think that it is fairly simple. Assholes continue to think they have a right to own a lethal weapon and innocent civilians die needlessly as a result. Somehow most of the rest of the western world gets on ok without having firearms at home.

Well said! I couldn't agree more!
 
The problem with ivy covered buildings is that the ivy gets through the cracks and without treatment will eventually assist in eroding the building until it eventually comes crashing down. This analogy could refer to the gun law.

I think your analogy is right on... just wish more American's would agree!
 
No problem with me not understanding the rules dude. But we have had many threads about the same subject in my 5 years membership and I guess I do understand more than the average Brit lol. I do agree with your statements about shame on her parents and the company who runs this shooting range, it was an accident waiting to happen. But judging by past gun outrage incidents in america, something like this is probably being classed as a minor even compared with per say the Colorado school shooting and others.

It frustrates me so much that have some many crazy situations involving guns in schools, military bases, on the streets, etc. Still nothing changes. I have an Australian guy in my fire department. He is always floored by the gun violence in the States. He sites many other countries as examples of better ways to address guns. It shames me to no end that my country likes to hold itself to such high standards that we often think we are better than many other countries. Yet we cannot figure out how to prevent situations like this and the many many many many others that happen in here.
 
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