I agree 100%. This is what I expected was going on with this performer. It's a shame he didn't take advantage of the opertunity to try something new he had the all time favorite excuse that he was being paid for it. I hope you guys can get a hot straight guy like Abrahm again. Too many conditions and too many hang ups obviously didn't work.
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I agree 100%. This is what I expected was going on with this performer. It's a shame he didn't take advantage of the opertunity to try something new he had the all time favorite excuse that he was being paid for it. I hope you guys can get a hot straight guy like Abrahm again. Too many conditions and too many hang ups obviously didn't work.
peterh6308
BSB Addict
I can't believe that this is July of 2016 and I'm still defending "my dawg" Jimmy on the forum. lol
As long as you keep defending "Frankenstein" I'll keep giving you the business.....lolol
I don't even give him credit for sucking dick Peter. LOL When he was finally told that as one of he highest paid models on the whole site, that he would have to suck dick...and that he could not go through his entire yearlong contract just doing scenes where he would get his dick sucked and then piston-fuck the other model like a over-used Edsel...he purposely did a HORRIBLE job sucking dick. He would whine and complain, sigh heavily, roll his eyes in disgust, do a short, half-hearted tip-sucking effort...and act like he was just the most pitiful put-upon soul on the face of earth. What a martyr! How did poor JJ ever get through it? With all of his over-the-top theatrics and histrionics, watching JJ suck dick was like watching an Academy Award entry for....
Best Performing Actress in a Dramatic Role.
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johnny
BSB Addict
One thing I can say about Jimmy. He was done here in 2012. But for the TV show. And were still talking about him. EVERY DAY..
So Love him or Hate him the guy made a big impression on Broke Straight Boys.Models come and go but he still seems to be here.
Or at least on peoples minds. Every Day..lol He was gone before I was here. But I do feel like he is
still here. No one else gets talked about ..Every Day....
So Love him or Hate him the guy made a big impression on Broke Straight Boys.Models come and go but he still seems to be here.
Or at least on peoples minds. Every Day..lol He was gone before I was here. But I do feel like he is
still here. No one else gets talked about ..Every Day....
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As long as you keep defending "Frankenstein" I'll keep giving you the business.....lolol
Frankenstien!!! LOL!!!
mikeyank
Long time forumite
Tampa, you have been talking about his being one of the highest paid models ever on the site for years and years now, but did you ever get any definitive proof that he was or is it just speculation on your part?
And if it is true, shouldn't you be angry with Mark for giving him the "outlandishly extravagant" contract without auditioning him to see what he could and would do first?????
It reminds me of baseball fans who are angry with A Rod for receiving his $275 million dollar contract. They should be angry with the Steinbrenner family for offering it to him, not him for accepting it. It all seems like backward logic to me, but that's just me......
mikeyank
Long time forumite
Once again I feel the need to point out that Jimmy was long gone from the site when the TV show was being produced. He was invited back and it was staged to look like he was an active model or a member of the house during the filming. He and his "baby mama" were no longer a couple when the show was being filmed either. She was also invited to provide drama and when did they ever really invite the girlfriend or the baby mama of a model to come to the house while her man was filming?
This is what reality television is all about, contrived drama. Jimmy and his former girlfriend were asked to appear on the show to provide a villain and Jimmy is always quite willing to play that role. If you want to take it all as the real deal that is fine, but to me it was all acting, and not great acting but standard TV acting for reality TV fans.
peterh6308
BSB Addict
On the first part Jason told us as much several years ago. He (Jason) said that models who are signed to an exclusive contract typically make the most money because they are not allowed to work elsewhere. He said they get paid the most per scene. Any model not signed to any contract will automatically make less. Sometimes presumably much less. Jason said he himself was not signed to an exclusive contract. So any scene he did with JJ, Jason made less. One can logically follow from that 95-100% of the models JJ worked with made less, or much less, than him.
On the second part, who said I wasn't angry at Mark or the staff for hiring him sight unseen to a yearlong contract before he had filmed a single solitary scene? I was very pissed at the time! haha
There's no way any one of them could have watched his first 3-5 scenes, fallen in instant love and decided the guy was a natural star. All of them should have known better than to offer a completely unknown random guy an exclusive yearlong contract, sight unseen.
I was pissed that he was put on the DTLA tv show too. lol Especially when there were many far more deserving models who would have jumped at the opportunity and possibly made the show more popular and watchable. Much moreso than Mark though, I was far more pissed at Clay. Mark was out in Colorado. Clay was the one in Florida running the show. So he had much more autonomy than he could be trusted with. I'm convinced that Clay was the one who really pushed and pushed for Jimmy's hiring. Clay was also the one who coddled, tolerated and enabled JJ's laziness, and his refusal many times to perform with much skill or acting, some of the most basic aspects of gay-for-pay. (Which was antithetical to the whole spirit of his contract.) Clay made excuses for him and often gave him as little work to do in the scenes as possible. He called him, "Jimmy the Trip." In as many words Clay would say to us and Mark, "We have to give him more time (i.e. several more expensive lackluster scenes) because he is so straight, and this is all so new to him that he needs time to adjust and get broken in."
Clay stabbed Mark and his coworkers in the back repeatedly by making very bad business decisions that furthered his own private agendas and secret ulterior motives, but had little to do with promoting the popularity and profitability of the site. As I say, I strongly suspect that Jimmy's contract was primarily on Clay's insistence. (Yes! I could be wrong.) As I see it in hindsight though, JJ's hiring was a Canary in the Coalmine moment and a sign of further ineptitude to come on the part of Clay. It was a beginning sign of far worse things to come. In my mind it presaged the much worse treachery and betrayal of trust by Clay to the staff and models alike, that would come to light only later on down the road.
So in this saga, even though Mark would have had the final say in signing off on the contract, I see him as wearing the white hat. I see Clay as wearing the black hat. JJ also wore a black hat for refusing to abide by the spirit of his contract. He took advantage of a situation where he could repeatedly manipulate his boss (director Clay) and get away with doing as little work as possible for top dollar. He played us for chumps.
I'm very sorry Mikey if you'll feel a need to jump in with a rebuttal. It's not my intention at all to antagonize you. You know I love YOU. xo On the other hand it does feel therapeutic to me to put all that out there. lol I feel like I've been holding that in for a while.
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stowe1
Ye Olde Curmudgeon
Dear tampa:
I do remember Jason's telling us on the forum about how exclusivity works. I also remember the speculation was getting pretty rampant about Jimmy's status until, I believe it was sha, who told us Jimmy had an exclusive contract.
As to who was pushing for Jimmy to be on DTLA and tolerating his behavior on Broke Straight Boys, unless you have an inside source who has told you all this, it is speculation which even you admit might not be true.
As for what Jimmy was able to get away with, the "loophole" is or at least was on the page for models to apply online. It says basically - and I paraphrase here - that a model will never be forced to do anything with which he is uncomfortable. You could sail an armada of battleships through that loophole.
As to blame, I certainly don't blame Jimmy for using that loophole. It was there and if he could not have to do things he didn't like, then he's going to use it. Jimmy at times come across as not all that "book larnin' " smart, but he is street smart and in this business that can stand you in better stead than a degree from Harvard. We've heard from a few of the older models about Clay's proclivity of wanting sex with the models or at least some of them. I can't imagine Jimmy ever acquiesced to any overtures that might have been made by Clay. I think Mark liked Jimmy and saw how popular he was on the site. People watched his scenes even if was to see what offensive behavior (in their eyes) he committed and be able to discuss it on the forum.
DTLA was a strange show from my perspective and Jimmy didn't play that major of a role in it. The Broke Straight Boys show was mediocre at best and if, as mikey suggests, Jimmy was particularly hired to be the "Puck" of it, then it was Mark who decided that because he was running that show.
So I think in the great JJ saga, gray hats were worn by those involved and none were either all black or all white. That's how I see it, anyway.
I do remember Jason's telling us on the forum about how exclusivity works. I also remember the speculation was getting pretty rampant about Jimmy's status until, I believe it was sha, who told us Jimmy had an exclusive contract.
As to who was pushing for Jimmy to be on DTLA and tolerating his behavior on Broke Straight Boys, unless you have an inside source who has told you all this, it is speculation which even you admit might not be true.
As for what Jimmy was able to get away with, the "loophole" is or at least was on the page for models to apply online. It says basically - and I paraphrase here - that a model will never be forced to do anything with which he is uncomfortable. You could sail an armada of battleships through that loophole.
As to blame, I certainly don't blame Jimmy for using that loophole. It was there and if he could not have to do things he didn't like, then he's going to use it. Jimmy at times come across as not all that "book larnin' " smart, but he is street smart and in this business that can stand you in better stead than a degree from Harvard. We've heard from a few of the older models about Clay's proclivity of wanting sex with the models or at least some of them. I can't imagine Jimmy ever acquiesced to any overtures that might have been made by Clay. I think Mark liked Jimmy and saw how popular he was on the site. People watched his scenes even if was to see what offensive behavior (in their eyes) he committed and be able to discuss it on the forum.
DTLA was a strange show from my perspective and Jimmy didn't play that major of a role in it. The Broke Straight Boys show was mediocre at best and if, as mikey suggests, Jimmy was particularly hired to be the "Puck" of it, then it was Mark who decided that because he was running that show.
So I think in the great JJ saga, gray hats were worn by those involved and none were either all black or all white. That's how I see it, anyway.
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mikeyank
Long time forumite
I totally agree with Stowe's assessment of the Jimmy era, and the DTLA role was not a "reward" given to the best or most popular model from the site. Mark and Jimmy obviously had or perhaps still have a friendship and business relationship, and when Mark got involved with the production he offered him a cameo role, as Jimmy played a straight guy who was shooting "gay for pay" porn. It was a very small part on what I considered a boring show.
And on the Broke Straight Boys-TV show I feel the strongest about my assessment that Mark hired him for the TV show, although he hadn't filmed a scene for Broke Straight Boys in well over a year to "pretend" that he was one of the current models in the house. And he was hired to play the "Puck" role, as Stowe said, or basically to be the "bad boy diva" with attitude. And they thought it would add additional drama to hire the mother of Jimmy's son's to come to the mansion to mix things up. This was all contrived to add a story line and drama. If in reality Jimmy was a working model at that time, there is no way he could have his girlfriend or ex-girlfriend come to visit him while he was working and to have a dinner party at the house while the guys were there to shoot a week of scenes. The boys staying at the mansion, or currently in the Atlanta condo are there to work, and they are housed and fed while they are working. It is not a vacation where you can invite a guest for the evening.
It was a TV show and Jimmy was not being paid to be just another one of the guys. He was hired to play a role, and I think he played the part well. He was hired to be featured in several of the episodes including going for the STD test and being the "whining bitch" about the needle, getting into a shouting match with Sabrina, challenging Cage Kafig to a fight which was filmed, going to Las Vegas for a weekend for an event and supposedly shooting an actual Broke Straight Boys sex scene while away from the regular studio and at the last dramatic moment right before the shoot was to begin, Sha gets a dramatic, "Perils of Pauline" type call to cancel the shoot as Jimmy did not get a clean test result and Denver gets all pissed off that he is losing money as the shoot was cancelled. By the way, Denver was the other ex-model hired to come back for the show although he had also retired from Broke Straight Boys
And then back at the mansion, Jimmy was conventionally "thrown out of the house" to take the walk of shame as he left town, just when his episodes were finished shooting. It was fun to see him back on the TV show but it was as real as any "Real Housewives" or "Big Brother" or "The Bachelor" or any of the other reality shows on TV. But I find it silly if any of us perceives this as a "documentary" of events just happening, as the camera was rolling.
And on the Broke Straight Boys-TV show I feel the strongest about my assessment that Mark hired him for the TV show, although he hadn't filmed a scene for Broke Straight Boys in well over a year to "pretend" that he was one of the current models in the house. And he was hired to play the "Puck" role, as Stowe said, or basically to be the "bad boy diva" with attitude. And they thought it would add additional drama to hire the mother of Jimmy's son's to come to the mansion to mix things up. This was all contrived to add a story line and drama. If in reality Jimmy was a working model at that time, there is no way he could have his girlfriend or ex-girlfriend come to visit him while he was working and to have a dinner party at the house while the guys were there to shoot a week of scenes. The boys staying at the mansion, or currently in the Atlanta condo are there to work, and they are housed and fed while they are working. It is not a vacation where you can invite a guest for the evening.
It was a TV show and Jimmy was not being paid to be just another one of the guys. He was hired to play a role, and I think he played the part well. He was hired to be featured in several of the episodes including going for the STD test and being the "whining bitch" about the needle, getting into a shouting match with Sabrina, challenging Cage Kafig to a fight which was filmed, going to Las Vegas for a weekend for an event and supposedly shooting an actual Broke Straight Boys sex scene while away from the regular studio and at the last dramatic moment right before the shoot was to begin, Sha gets a dramatic, "Perils of Pauline" type call to cancel the shoot as Jimmy did not get a clean test result and Denver gets all pissed off that he is losing money as the shoot was cancelled. By the way, Denver was the other ex-model hired to come back for the show although he had also retired from Broke Straight Boys
And then back at the mansion, Jimmy was conventionally "thrown out of the house" to take the walk of shame as he left town, just when his episodes were finished shooting. It was fun to see him back on the TV show but it was as real as any "Real Housewives" or "Big Brother" or "The Bachelor" or any of the other reality shows on TV. But I find it silly if any of us perceives this as a "documentary" of events just happening, as the camera was rolling.
mikeyank
Long time forumite
Oh, I just noticed this thread is called, "Tim Hanes Fucks Junior Fernandez". lol
mikeyank
Long time forumite
I thought it was fun. Here, check this out, it includes the Jimmy drama, the Damien Kyle drama. It wasn't real but it was well shot and I thought it was fun, if you took it for what it was...........
Have to agree. "Reality TV" is little more than a filmed car crash, where everyone slows down to look out of morbid curiosity. They highlight the worst in human nature with contrived drama all for the sake of ratings. Its formulaic crap. Back in the day I used to watch "The Real World" (who I think we can blame for starting the whole reality tv plague) until I realized that each season there were roles they were filling: the jock, the party girl, the angry black guy, the good girl virgin, the gay guy, the brainy one and the trouble maker. BSB TV wasn't any better, and the contrived, staged drama and tense moments were ridiculous. I also have to wonder how many times the fun activities took place before the show was conceived? Was doing things like taking the boys to go cart racing or paintball or bringing in a personal trainer (for a few hours once -- pointless!) normal? I would suspect not. We all know that the boys have always been treated very well at the house, but they are there for business to film scenes and make money for the company, so I would doubt they have the time or spend the money on all these fun field trips -- small parties at the house, sure, or trips into the city or to local carnivals, sure, but lots of off-site activities that cost money -- and some significant money -- unlikely. But I get it, that's what it was supposed to be, like "The Real World Broke Straight Boys-Style." It was meant to be entertaining and not actually "real," and I did appreciate the few glimpses on truth that peeked through from time to time. I actually liked getting to know more about Mark and Sha and the rest of the Broke Straight Boys staff more than the models, if truth be told! That I found the most interesting and human aspect of the show.
This is getting spooky Stowe the way we are agreeing so much lately. haha I can't deny or positively refute with any proof anything you say here. Indeed I admit that some of my claims (though not all) are based on conjecture and supposition. Using your example of gray hats vs. simply black and white... I would agree with you on that to a point. Among the 3 gray hats of which you speak, I would say that Mark wore the lightest of gray and closest to white. I would say that Jimmy wore medium gray, although as a paying member I was the most annoyed with and upset by him in particular. And Clay who because he was supposed to be the competent and trustworthy grownup in charge on the set and in the studio, I would say wore the grayest hat and closest to black.
Even while agreeing that Jimmy had plenty of loophole in the contract to work with, Clay still had leverage as a boss to get more out of Jimmy on the set than he did. He chose not to put on the big boy pants and use it. Or maybe he had other motives. In any case he just allowed Jimmy to dictate the terms of his scenes. Jimmy was no fool as you say Stowe. He knew exactly what he was doing. haha Can I blame him as some young 20 something guy for taking advantage of a situation where he could be very lazy at his job...and push his boss around...and still be assured of getting paid the maximum possible? No. *sigh* lol Can I be very pissed off about it (and perhaps hold a teeny tiny little grudge, haha) when some of my money (and much of my time) was being used and wasted in this endeavor? You bet!!! LOL
I was careful to say that Jimmy broke only the spirit of his contract. I agree that he never broke or violated the terms of it. Well...except for maybe, possibly things like smoking pot, drinking on the job or having sex with random women during Pride events. lol Those are distinct possibilities.
He would show up on set when he was told to and he would often pretend to go through the motions. Rarely did he look like he was putting forth some real effort...in spite of all his whining, sighing and complaining to the contrary. haha The spirit of the contract as I see it, is to put in a good faith effort to try to consistently do the job (primarily the sex scenes) to the best of your ability, and to be a strong asset in promoting the site, helping to bring in and retain new members, etc. That's the part that he thumbed his nose at. He made no bones about the fact that he was just here to get paid. He didn't give a rat's a** about anything else.
All the more reason as you allude to Stowe that you find out the comfort zone and versatility of a model first. (Such as his comfort zone, skill level and willingness to: top, bottom, give and receive oral, kiss, etc.) Then you make a determination of whether this person is a good fit for the job. If the company can work within the parameters of a model's personal comfort level and skill set, and he seems to be deserving of a contract, then you pull the trigger. We know all this now based on the experience with Jimmy. lol We know you don't hire somebody to exclusive contract based solely on the very biased and self-serving recommendation of his agent, or whatever name they call those brokers who promote models to various sites. That guy just wants a contract signed so he can get his commission. He could care less whether the model is truly a good fit or works out well for the site in question.
Oh well! haha
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