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There is yet another front page "scandel" in the tabloids here in New York involving some hooker ring in Manhattan.

Why in 2012 in the United States of America, is it still a crime for an adult to exchange money with another adult for sexual pleasure? Who is being harmed? It's as dumb as marijuana still being illegal too, but that is a different discussion.

There is a short column by Denis Hamill in today's New York Daily News that makes a lot of sense, to me.

Prostitution should be legal in New York
Let city reap revenues & lose fake outrage

The world’s oldest profession shows no signs of disappearing.
On April 10, 1836, a prostitute named Helen Jewitt was murdered in downtown Manhattan. Police charged a rich john named Richard Robinson, 19, with the homicide.

The murder, arrest and trial were splashed across page one of The New York Herald, edited by James Gordon Bennett, tripling circulation and creating a new popular journalism of sex, money and murder.

Today, 176 years after Jewitt's murder, prostitution stories still sell newspapers and boost TV news ratings.

But maybe the fake outrage created by this latest installment, about the alleged soccer-mom madam, offers the right time for a couple of legislators with a pair of bills to try to legalize or at least regulate prostitution in New York.

But enough with the fake outrage, okay?

Enough with the “Stop-the-presses! I'm shocked — shocked! — that there are hookers in New York!”

Are we kidding, here in the city that never stops sleeping with everybody else? Anyone who's ever opened the back of a local weekly tabloid or logged onto craiglist knows hookers are everywhere.

They've been here since the Dutch settled the town.

But legalizing prostitution will make the whole business safer for johns, hookers and the citizenry. It will eliminate violent, extortionist pimps, create cleaner, safer work environments, impose mandatory condom laws and STD screening of registered prostitutes by the Department of Health.

In Nevada, where prostitution is legal in nine of its 17 counties, there hasn't been a reported case of HIV amongst registered prostitutes since mandatory screening began in 1982.

"If I were able to get 1,000 girls working legally in Las Vegas, where prostitution is illegal, I could deliver the city a half-billion dollars every 18 months," says George Flint, head lobbyist of the Nevada Brothel Owners Association.

He says we could times that by 10 in New York.

Cash-strapped New York could rack up a $5-a-head Sack Tax, fees for brothel licensing and work permits, and income taxes from brothel owners and hookers.

Just as the repeal of Prohibition ridded the liquor industry of organized crime, vile human traffickers and snakeheads selling young women into sexual slavery would soon disappear because there would be no underground demand.

Flint argues that regulating this industry would be much cheaper than arresting, adjudicating and imprisoning hookers, pimps and madams.

C'mon, does anyone actually believe we have a safer republic because Heidi Fleiss or Kristin Davis did jail time?
 
Very nicely said! -- And to the best of my knowledge, a real brothel still exists in NYC to this day - I have known about it since the early 80's - not from experience - but from being familiar with the east side of Manhattan. I just had the urge to Google the name of the place and was surprised to see an actual live website! (http://www.letrapeze.org/). Ironically this "brothel" is a few steps down the street from "The Museum of Sex"! (http://www.museumofsex.com/).

Ahhh - The City that Never Sleeps!...
 
There is yet another front page "scandel" in the tabloids here in New York involving some hooker ring in Manhattan.

Why in 2012 in the United States of America, is it still a crime for an adult to exchange money with another adult for sexual pleasure? Who is being harmed? It's as dumb as marijuana still being illegal too, but that is a different discussion.

There is a short column by Denis Hamill in today's New York Daily News that makes a lot of sense, to me.

Prostitution should be legal in New York
Let city reap revenues & lose fake outrage

The world’s oldest profession shows no signs of disappearing.
On April 10, 1836, a prostitute named Helen Jewitt was murdered in downtown Manhattan. Police charged a rich john named Richard Robinson, 19, with the homicide.

The murder, arrest and trial were splashed across page one of The New York Herald, edited by James Gordon Bennett, tripling circulation and creating a new popular journalism of sex, money and murder.

Today, 176 years after Jewitt's murder, prostitution stories still sell newspapers and boost TV news ratings.

But maybe the fake outrage created by this latest installment, about the alleged soccer-mom madam, offers the right time for a couple of legislators with a pair of bills to try to legalize or at least regulate prostitution in New York.

But enough with the fake outrage, okay?

Enough with the “Stop-the-presses! I'm shocked — shocked! — that there are hookers in New York!”

Are we kidding, here in the city that never stops sleeping with everybody else? Anyone who's ever opened the back of a local weekly tabloid or logged onto craiglist knows hookers are everywhere.

They've been here since the Dutch settled the town.

But legalizing prostitution will make the whole business safer for johns, hookers and the citizenry. It will eliminate violent, extortionist pimps, create cleaner, safer work environments, impose mandatory condom laws and STD screening of registered prostitutes by the Department of Health.

In Nevada, where prostitution is legal in nine of its 17 counties, there hasn't been a reported case of HIV amongst registered prostitutes since mandatory screening began in 1982.

"If I were able to get 1,000 girls working legally in Las Vegas, where prostitution is illegal, I could deliver the city a half-billion dollars every 18 months," says George Flint, head lobbyist of the Nevada Brothel Owners Association.

He says we could times that by 10 in New York.

Cash-strapped New York could rack up a $5-a-head Sack Tax, fees for brothel licensing and work permits, and income taxes from brothel owners and hookers.

Just as the repeal of Prohibition ridded the liquor industry of organized crime, vile human traffickers and snakeheads selling young women into sexual slavery would soon disappear because there would be no underground demand.

Flint argues that regulating this industry would be much cheaper than arresting, adjudicating and imprisoning hookers, pimps and madams.

C'mon, does anyone actually believe we have a safer republic because Heidi Fleiss or Kristin Davis did jail time?



Mikey, I couldn't agree with you and the columnist more. I have often said, you can control the health and safety of the workers and the clients. Plus the state and/or city could get the tax revenue. Can you hear it now? You leave a session with a pro and the desk rep says, "That will be $200 plus tax!!" - lol!!!

P.S. Is Denis Hamill the son of the legendary and great Pete Hamill? - He was one of THE great American columnists.


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Mikey, I couldn't agree with you and the columnist more. I have often said, you can control the health and safety of the workers and the clients. Plus the state and/or city could get the tax revenue. Can you hear it now? You leave a session with a pro and the desk rep says, "That will be $200 plus tax!!" - lol!!!

P.S. Is Denis Hamill the son of the legendary and great Pete Hamill? - He was one of THE great American columnists.


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I had always thought that Denis is the son of Pete, but I just checked and according to Wikipedia, they are brothers. And you are correct that they are both great writers.
 
I have a sense that even if prostitution was legalized, there will always something illegal going on about it. For instance, the consumption and sell of alcohol is legal as long as you're 21 years old and have a license to sell. But there are always underage drinking especially on college campuses and the illegal moonshine business never really went away even after Prohibition. Now, what if prostitution is legalized and is licensed; would this mean the end of white slavery or illegal prostitution? I think that wherever there's a quick buck to be made, there is always someone thinking of a way to get it even if it means breaking the law. But in this instance, prostitution shouldn't be legalized solely on the basis that it is unenforceable - there is no way to regulate the trade without a whole series of rules, regulations and laws to enforce it. Faced with a massive bureacracy of laws, any one wanting to setup a brothel would find it more convenient to flaunt the law than follow it. Heck, that's the way it is now! Its cheaper to pay bail than to stop hooking. What are the chances that a hooker will be jailed rather than given parole?
 
I don't understand why it is illegal. It is adults selling a service to other adults. Why is a massage legal, as one adult rubs the body of another to give them relaxation and relief?

Because it involves the sexual organs instead of the back or legs or thighs, it becomes a crime?

I don't get it.
 
Well I don't understand the whole prostitution and escort side of things because as I see it prostitution as in being on the streets or being a part of a brothel is illegal but advertising yourself on a website is legal otherwise all those sites would of been shut down by now so I just dnt understand -_-
 
Interesting topic Mike. Prostitution as in girls or guys flaunting themselves on street corners is illegal here in the UK too. I can understand why some people who are walking home from work or out with their friends object to being harassed by prostitutes, get offended.

However, many girls and guys who sell sex for money are now in the escort game. These escorts are widely available in magazines, telephone yellow pages, and internet sites. So my take on this is, if you want a girl or guy, call them up to your hotel room.

BTW this guy aint for sale so no PMs please. :smiley-sex022::001_tongue:
 
I would be willing to bet that if a pole were conducted of practicing prostitutes in this country, they would be overwhelmingly against legallizing their profession. I think it would be the biggest manhunt this country has ever seen to round up all of these people to classify them as "legal" prostitutes, give them social security cards, and get them to a doctor to take a mandatory physical.

I realize that things would probably be handled a little differently than what I just said, but I also think that angelone has brought up a lot of potential problems that need to be thought out before even considering making this profession legal. I'm not against the idea of legalizing prostitution...I just think it would be a near impossibility to accomplish. And what really would be gained?

I'll just stop for now because I'm sure to get at lot of opposition here for my views.
 
I think that the individual instance of prostitution, that is, the infrequent one-on-one exchange of sexual favors for money is harmless and is usually what people normally see going on in public. It's when prostitution become organize like a business that people start to raise their eyebrows and become concern. If it is a business then it should be regulated and pay taxes. But because there is an apprehension that one's husband, son or relative can be drawn into the enticements of prostitution either in purchasing favors or working in it, people would and do often vote against its legalization. It seems that prostitution is OK as long as no one in your special circle of family members are involved in it. I will find it very hard to find my sister, daughter or heaven forbid, my mother involved.
 
Just a little additional remark: In one of my seminary classes I remembered my director of clerics say that the great Thomas Aquinas stated that prohibition of prostitution is like plugging up a city's sewer line - everyone gets uncomfortable after a while.
 
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