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Presidential Election Campaign 2016

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Hi Everyone,

At risk of stirring drama and controversy among our group of fellow forumites who will have very different views... We can't simply ignore the elephant in the room that is the current presidential election season. the final four months especially are when most of us finally start tuning in and paying attention. For reasons I won't elaborate on further here, I am unable to watch many of the videos at this time. Therefore the forum gets boring for me if I can't talk about something, anything else in here beyond just the porn. We've had very lively political discussions often here in past years that were kept civil among those of us putting forth our diverse points of view.

It is true that many of us in here tend to be more liberal or at least lean more toward the Democratic Party than the Republican Party. But that doesn't mean that any forum member should be silent on points in which he or she disagrees. All members should feel free to express their views and hopefully some entertaining and informative back and forth will follow. I just ask us all to keep in mind that if we have any passionate discourse, that we don't resort to any ad hominem attacks against the poster (forum member) of any comments on which we might disagree. We might passionately denounce the political ideology of either major party. There may be some ad hominem attacks against the character, history or reputation of either major candidate. But let's do our best to make sure that we don't cross over, or give the impression of crossing over, to attacking each other in here for our political views.

So what are some of your thoughts on the beginning of the Republican National Convention?
 
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I thought he did okay. I don't think his speech will go on in history. lol There was a lot of fear mongering which has ben fairly typical of the Trump campaign so far. He says that Clinton wants to be president for Hillary Clinton. But I also believe that Trump's campaign has always ben about Trump and his megalomaniac ego.
 
Robertson: "Donald Trump will always, always, tell you the truth...as he sees it. And that's why we can trust him to make American great again as our next president."

That's exactly (one reason of many) why I fear a Trump presidency, rather than being comforted by the thought of it.

Last night Trump told Bill O'Reilly that he was the one who pushed for the Republican Convention to be held in Cleveland. The RNC (Republican National Committee) chose Cleveland as the site of the convention back in 2014. That was long before Trump had seriously even entered the race. Trump had no input at all on that decision. But to pander to those in the Buckeye State which he really needs to carry, (and which he soundly lost to current Ohio Governor John Kasich in the primary) he claims that Cleveland was all HIS idea. Phew!!
 
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Antonio Sabato Jr and Scott Baio two Great Stars.lololololo Trump is pulling out all the Big Has Bins.
And Mrs. Trump does Mrs. Obama..lol
 
Robertson: "Donald Trump will always, always, tell you the truth...as he sees it. And that's why we can trust him to make America great again as our next president."

There was a small typo in my quote of Robertson. Here is the exact quote. :)
 
Since I'm not about to sit in front of the tv through the whole Republican convention, here's a taste of what happened yesterday. The Never Trumpers staged a protest over adopting the party rules for the convention itself. It had faint echoes of the Democratic sit-in in the halls of Congress from last month.

 
Hmmmmmm...Only Frisco responded...I guess you were correct Tampa....99% of all gay men lean towards the Democrats.......Guess I'm the 1%.......lololololol
 
Hmmmmmm...Only Frisco responded...I guess you were correct Tampa....99% of all gay men lean towards the Democrats.......Guess I'm the 1%.......lololololol
But your such a good hearted 1 per cent. And a nice guy. The Republicans should be proud. xoxo Frisco
 
I went and saw Hilary Clinton at the State Fairgrounds in Tampa this afternoon. She gave a good stump speech. Of course everybody was hoping that she would announce her VP choice at the rally. Because the breaking news story this afternoon was about the shootings in Germany, she held off and considered waiting until tomorrow. The rally ended around 6:15. And close to 8:00 I guess she made the announcement.

One of the biggest surprises of the rally (for me at least) was the fact that Chelsea Clinton showed up. She gave a warmup speech about an hour and a half before her mother spoke. Chelsea looks much more attractive in adulthood. Very pretty. :) They had just come over from Orlando where Hillary and Chelsea had met with first responders to the Pulse massacre. They spoke privately and off camera as far as I know. It was not a public event. They talked with surviving victims, families who lost loved ones, members of the police and SWAT teams as well as some of the medical staff who treated the injured. Hillary spoke of their heroism, their sense of strong community as well as their desire to see the walls of hatred come down and an end to gun violence. Senator Bill Nelson (D) of Florida came out and gave a speech introducing Hillary to the crowd. It was an exciting afternoon!
 
Hmmmmmm...Only Frisco responded...I guess you were correct Tampa....99% of all gay men lean towards the Democrats.......Guess I'm the 1%.......lololololol

You should be grateful Rafe that you are one of those fat cat multimillionaires or billionaires who can clam to be in the 1%. haha :001_smile:
 
(Photo Courtesy of Mikeyank)

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If there's one thing I will thank Donald Trump for is that as he has stood there as a self-described Republican and finally called out George W. Bush publicly on the asinine Republican soundbite of "George Bush kept us safe." He certainly didn't "keep us safe" on 9/11. He didn't "keep us safe" by sending our troops into Iraq to get those dreaded Weapons of Mass Destruction. He didn't keep us or his own troops safe when he disbanded the Iraq army and sent hundreds of thousands of unemployed and penniless soldiers home with all their weapons and combat know-how intact. FOUNDER of ISIS perhaps?

He didn't "keep us safe" during the incompetent man-made fiasco and loss of life after Hurricane Katrina. He didn't "keep us safe" when our banks and financial institutions went so corrupt and out of control, unbeknownst and to the great surprise of top officials of his government whose sole and primary responsibility was to be keeping track of such things, when the greedy SOB's nearly brought the entire global economy crashing down on us. Then we got blackmailed by Wall Street into forking over $700 billion of our taxpayer money (along with some borrowed Chinese money) to bail them out. Then of course he left us with skyrocketing government deficits and debt.

But of course everything Bush's administration wrought upon us, along with the longer term unintended consequences is all Obama's fault for not being able to magically and immediately fix. To hear them talk, these are all problems of Obama's making.

George W. Bush left the country in far far worse shape than he found it upon entering office. He really should be ashamed of himself. Truly.

Its strong economy with a budget in surplus. Saddam Hussein combative and cantankerous, but contained. Iran hobbled and weak, and stuck at its own borders after essentially losing the Iran-Iraq War. American prestige and respectability as a beacon and champion in the cause of human rights and the abhorrence of torture. He left all that in tatters. We're still trying to pick up the pieces and recover from it all.

ISIS is in Iraq and Syria and trying to branch out further to other countries. Iran holds sway politically, economically and even militarily over much of non ISIS held Iraq, and is in Syria with both feet also. Its dreams of a restored Persian Empire holding sway over most of the Middle East haven't seemed this close to realization for them, for hundreds of years. If they succeed in getting Iraq and Syria subdued as vassal client states, they've already said many many times in the past, that their next stop will be Jerusalem. Oy Vey!

Just because George W. can claim that there were no other terrorist attacks on U.S. soil after 9/11 doesn't mean he kept us safe in many other ways. And it certainly doesn't mean that we feel safer today for having had him in office. Good riddance!

I'm so glad that even in Republican circles, George W. is no longer given a pass on 9/11. It happened on his watch. If it had happened during any Democratic presidency, Republicans would have been vilifying him and burning him in effigy for being "weak on defense." Or an even darker assertion that they (Democrats) were in league with the terrorists. Democrats would never have heard the end of it for decades. But for a Republican president, any and all sins are supposed to be whitewashed, swept under the rug, and forgiven.
 
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As the picture above indicates there are still some die-hard Republican ideologues who try to give Bush a pass on 9/11, pretend it never happened on his watch and offer no public regrets over Bush's invasion and handling of Iraq. But they are being boxed in and called out by none other than Trump. lol
 
I found this today and thought I would share it here. It surprises me that in an election season there is so little talk of politics in our forum. In years past we have had many lively and thought provoking debates in here. :)

I know this is rather lengthy. I considered editing it down a little bit for the sake of brevity. But I didn't want to give an impression of misquoting or skewing the article.

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USA Today thinks Trump is so ‘unfit for the presidency’ that it just wrote a historic anti-endorsement

By Katie Mettler September 30 at 3:43


It didn’t go so far as to endorse Hillary Clinton — or, for that matter, libertarian Gary Johnson — but what USA Today wrote Thursday night about Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump made it clear who the publication’s editorial board does not, under any circumstance, want in the White House next year.

In its 34 years of existence, USA Today has had a no-endorsement policy. In a historic first that breaks 34 years of tradition, the board decided this election season to revisit its no-endorsement policy — then threw it out and penned a scathing critique of the GOP nominee that read more like an anti-endorsement.

Trump, they wrote, is “unfit for the presidency.”

“From the day he declared his candidacy 15 months ago through this week’s first presidential debate, Trump has demonstrated repeatedly that he lacks the temperament, knowledge, steadiness and honesty that America needs from its presidents,” the board wrote. “Whether through indifference or ignorance, Trump has betrayed fundamental commitments made by all presidents since the end of World War II.”

The editorial*calls*him “erratic,” “ill-equipped to be commander in chief” and “a serial liar.”

USA Today is not the first to break with endorsement tradition this year. It’s not even the first this week.

On Tuesday, the Arizona Republic editorial board endorsed Clinton, marking the first time it had backed a Democrat for president in its 126-year history. The Dallas Morning News, the Cincinnati Enquirer and the Houston Chronicle — all with traditionally conservative editorial pages — have also backed Clinton in recent months. The Enquirer has supported Republicans for president for nearly a century. The Morning News hadn’t backed a Democrat for the White House since before World War II.

And on Thursday, the Detroit News abandoned Republicans for the first time in 143 years by*endorsing the Libertarian candidate, Gary Johnson. As it happens, Johnson — who didn’t qualify for the general election debates and has been widely mocked for his unfamiliarity with Aleppo and all world leaders worth admiration — has collected more newspaper endorsements than Trump.

Since the primary season, the GOP nominee has received no endorsements from major publications.
Collectively, these editorials are not executed with the measured*tone typical of most newspapers in most presidential election cycles. This race, they’ve all made clear, has triggered an emergency response.

It*isn’t about saving conservatives from liberals or vice versa, the editorials opine. It is, in the words of the USA Today editorial, about saving America from “the siren song of a dangerous demagogue.”

“By all means vote,” the editorial reads, “just not for Donald Trump.”

Though the USA Today board*was unanimous in its*repudiation of Trump, it could not reach consensus on a Clinton endorsement. Some, the board wrote, “look at her command of the issues, resilience and long record of public service — as first lady, U.S. senator and secretary of state — and believe she’d serve the nation ably as its president.”

Others, however, “have serious reservations about Clinton’s sense of entitlement, her lack of candor and her extreme carelessness in handling classified information,” according to the editorial.

“Where does that leave us?” the board asked. “Our bottom-line advice for voters is this: Stay true to your convictions. That might mean a vote for Clinton, the most plausible alternative to keep Trump out of the White House. Or it might mean a third-party candidate. Or a write-in. Or a focus on down-ballot candidates who will serve the nation honestly, try to heal its divisions, and work to solve its problems.”
The board wrote it was “not unmindful” of the issues Trump’s campaign has raised this election cycle, including the rise of terrorist group the Islamic State, the plight of the working class, disappearing jobs, the Supreme Court, “excessive political correctness” and urban unrest and street violence.

It ticked off, mercilessly, in boldface, its objections to Trump:

He is erratic.

He is ill-equipped to be commander in chief.

He traffics in prejudice.

His business career is checkered.

He isn’t leveling with the American people.

He speaks recklessly.

He has coarsened the national dialogue.

He’s a serial liar.


As USA Today always does when it pens an editorial, the publication ran a sidebar column addressing these GOP platform issues, written by*Trump’s running mate, Indiana Gov. Mike Pence.

Pence defended the GOP nominee’s oratorical*style, writing that Trump’s*campaign reminds him*of the 1980 candidacy of Ronald Reagan, “a leader whom we now regard as one of our nation’s greatest presidents.”

Reagan, he wrote, was regarded at first by the political establishment as “little more than a cowboy or a celebrity who entered politics late in life.”

“He even made some Republicans uneasy,” Pence wrote. But, along the way, “Americans from all walks of life flocked to a man who was so clearly unbound by Washington niceties and political correctness.”

“Ronald Reagan spoke the truth in 1980 to the American people,” the governor wrote, “just as Donald Trump has in 2016.”

Trump’s plan for fighting the Islamic State, repealing the Affordable Care Act, cutting taxes and appointing Supreme Court justices who will “strictly construe the Constitution and not legislate from the bench” are far superior to Clinton’s, Pence wrote.

The governor called into question the Democratic nominee’s ethics and plan for the economy.

These are issues USA Today, for its part, has reported on in its news pages and analyzed extensively in columns. In most years, according to the board, it*would be most comfortable letting the American people elect a president without interference from the editorial page.
Its readers are spread across the country and are diverse in*race, gender, socioeconomic status and religious affiliation.
“Different voters — a soldier in Afghanistan, a worker displaced by imports, a woman with an unplanned pregnancy — have different concerns,” the board reasoned*in a separate story, explaining its decision to break from tradition.

In most elections, it wrote, the politically, ideologically and demographically diverse board “couldn’t agree on an endorsement anyway.”
This year was different.

In breaking with tradition this year, we asked ourselves what Al Neuharth, who founded USA TODAY in 1982, would have done. Like Donald Trump, Neuharth had a big ego. (Trump’s best-known book is “The Art of the Deal”; Neuharth’s was “Confessions of an S.O.B.”) But Neuharth, who died in 2013, was a champion of diversity, a defender of First Amendment freedoms and an optimist about America’s future. In a 2012 column, he described Trump as “a clown who loves doing or saying things” to get attention, “no matter how ridiculous.”
Sounds like Al was on to something.


Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...endorsement/?tid=hybrid_experimentrandom_2_na
 
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Even though I know the military chain of command has been mostly Republican for decades, I just can't see how they can support Trump in this election cycle.

When you have somebody who was a draft dodger and who calls the entire military a "disaster", a "shambles", the generals "reduced to rubble"...prisoners of war not being heroes because presumably by his twisted logic they shouldn't have allowed themselves to be captured alive in the first place...saying that his attendance at a military academy hardened and toughened him as much or more as those soldiers who actually served in battle...saying that he knows more about ISIS than the generals do...a man who flippantly says he had always wanted a Purple Heart and was happy to get one as a gift (instead of having to earn it the real way)...a man who publicly criticizes the mother of a fallen U.S. soldier and simultaneously criticizes the religion and cultural background of the dead soldier's whole Gold Star family...a man who goes on Russian television and criticizes the state of the U.S. military while heaping praise on the leadership of Vladimir Putin, then claiming he didn't know where he was and didn't know he was being interviewed on Russian television...even though the network is very openly named and called RT, meaning Russian Television...a candidate for Commander in Chief who says that we need to do more to stop the dreadfully high suicide rate among veterans, and then says that any veteran claiming to have combat related PTSD is just weak, and can't handle himself/herself and the stress of combat properly.

WTF?!!

If anything there should be a flood of retired military people publicly speaking out against these comments and ignorant attitudes.

He's a carnival barker, a buffoon and a cartoonish reality tv show character. He's not someone to be taken seriously as a possible contender for a real world Commander in Chief. It's downright scary that he even won the nomination in the first place.
 
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